Photos from U of T men’s rights lecture

A few placards, a full house and a long line to speak


 

Janice Fiamengo, a professor who advocates for men’s rights, gave a lecture at the University of Toronto on Thursday evening entitled What’s wrong with Women’s Studies? Naturally, there were dozens of protesters, a few police, and a fire alarm set off, but free speech prevailed, her lecture was given and her opponents were able to challenge her afterward. Here’s what it looked like.


 

Photos from U of T men’s rights lecture

  1. So who’s this female version of Mozart then? Why didn’t see tell us instead of holding a poster of a perfectly legitimate comment?

    And what’s with all the people hiding their faces? You only really ever see extremists, criminals and terrorists doing that. And isn’t it illegal anyway?

  2. “This woman asked about the impacts of Fiamengo’s statements on lesbian parents, before storming out.”

    This could also say: “This woman stumped Fiamengo with a question on heteronormativity, and then received a shocking homophobic response that couldn’t be supported by an actual study or author.”

    • I don’t know the details of Fiamengo’s statements, but I do know the rates of crime and delinquency among children without a father figure. Of course, her statements don’t necessarily mean that lesbians are unfit to be parents, the solution to this is for one of the parent to try to emulate the behaviors and decisions that a “good” father might make and thus compensate for the lack of a father figure.

      • i dont think they’ll manage to emulate it good enough, perhaps up 50%, men and women think differently and a womans emulation of a father will more likely fail, and vice versa. we don’t have gender just for fun, there is function in everything on this planet.

      • Fathers are not replaceable.

      • Pretty much. The accusation of homophobia, like the standard accusation of misogyny, stems more from the fact Fiamengo didn’t prostrate herself to the LGBT community and herrald them as the best possible parental unit possible (also notice the utter lack of concern for gay male couples in the questioner.). Saying the ideal family environment includes a loving mother and loving father does not, in any way, suggest lesbian (or gay) couples are incapable or bad. in fact, the fact they need to actually choose to, and go out and take efforts to have a child, as it doesn’t just happen “by accident”, puts them a step above many other parents. But the failure to placate those trying to use the LGBT community as a weapon to silence fiamengois, predictably, called homophobia, as failing to placate those using women’s issues (such as the first questioner, who basically said, if you’re concerned for anyones rights, you should be focusing on women) is likewise called misogyny

    • The lecture was great. The room however was filled with people who did not want to listen to a lecture but wanted a microphone to yell their opinions into rather then actually ask a question based on the subject matter presented in the lecture.

      • That study is not even kind of representative, the sample size is absolutely pathetic. This cannot represent the claims it makes.

    • From the previous article http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2013/03/08/a-mens-rights-advocate-spoke-at-the-university-of-toronto/

      “Only one person really lost her temper, after making a thought-provoking query about the impact of Fiamengo’s assertion that “children need their fathers” on lesbian parents. Fiamengo responded by suggesting there’s research that children do better in two-parent households. She didn’t like the answer. “That’s heteronormative bullshit,” the woman screamed, before a dramatic exit.”

      Not stumped at all it would seem!

      “heteronormative” is a divisive term invented by heterophobic feminists to vilify what overwhelming IS the normal sexual orientation >90%, in an attempt to imply that it is not. (non heterosexuals <10%) and those are very generous estimates. Gender egalitarians support people of diverse gender identity and sexual orientation but do not place the issues of the minorities above those of the majority, or try to vilify any group.

      • “Fiamengo responded by suggesting there’s research that children do better in two-parent households”

        This is a misquote. Sloppy journalism.

    • It wasn’t a homophobic response. She simply said that research has shown that the best arrangement for a child is to have a strong male figure and strong female figure in the child’s life. She even said that it doesn’t prevent lesbians or gay men from raising kids, as long as they are able to make sure a strong male and strong female figure is present in the life of the child.

  3. The protester in the top centre photo holding up the sign saying “Sorry we hurt your manfeelz” is what’s really wrong with feminism today. They have focused all of their attention on altering female gender roles and attitudes that they have no sympathy left for attitude issues men face. For example the idea that men are not suppose to have or have very few emotions and are expected to ‘suck it up’ because they are men. Men are given no sympathy because they are raised to expect none.

  4. “Sorry we hurt your manfeelz.”

    It’s good to see that feminists are so against typical gender norms that they would never use the the traditional stereotype of male stoicism to shame men who feel a need to fight for men’s and boy’s issues.

  5. Feminism is wrong when it’s man-hating.

  6. “Sorry we hurt your Manfeelz”

    Translation – Man Up. Men are not allowed to have feelings or complain. How dare men expect human rights!

  7. BTW:

    “Clara Schumann (née Clara Josephine Wieck; 13 September 1819 – 20 May 1896) was a German musician and composer, considered one of the most distinguished pianists of the Romantic era. She exerted her influence over a 61-year concert career, changing the format and repertoire of the piano recital and the tastes of the listening public. Her husband was the composer Robert Schumann. She and her husband encouraged Johannes Brahms, and she was the first pianist to give public performances of some of Brahms’ works, notably the Variations and Fugue on a Theme by Handel.”

    -Wikipedia

    • Clara Schumann’s compositions aren’t nearly as well-known as those of her husband, and her renown is a lot more for her performance than her composing.

  8. The feminist protesters hid their faces because they know that deep down their movement isn’t about equality, it’s about hatred towards and superiority over men.

  9. Why do people need to wear masks to protest something like this? It’s not as if there are secret police who will drag them away to jail cells in the middle of the night just for having an opinion. Why are they afraid to be personally associated with the messages on their signs?

    As for Zaida’s claim of a misquote on a question at the talk about single parenting/lesbian couple parenting, watch the video of that question being asked and answered here (question is asked at 7:35 in the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt_QipYcF_M

    Skip to 8:34 to hear Janice Fiamengo actually say “There’s been a great deal of research that has actually shown that children do better with a mother and a father”.

    Children raised by single parents, including single fathers, are significantly more likely to develop serious long term problems compared to children raised by both parents. That doesn’t mean all children in single parent families will have problems, but the likelyhood of problems occouring is much higher in single parent families. Here are sone U.S. based stats on that. Don’t kid yourself that Canada or any other western country is likely to have radically different stats on this issue. Canada might be a bit better in some areas and a bit worse in others, but the general trends will be very similar.

    63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)
    90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
    85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
    80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
    71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
    75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all God`s Children.)
    70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
    85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)
    A myriad of maladies. Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness, suicide, poor educational performance, teen pregnancy, and criminality.
    Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center for Health Statistics, Survey on Child Health, Washington, DC, 1993.

  10. Thanks for asking the questions about the masks, Gareth.
    Perhaps it is a crossover from the internet where people can be anonymous. Really seems lame to me.

  11. One reason to hide their face might be fear of Doxxing like after the Warren Farrel protest where the protesters were named n shamed, and possibly had threats against them or feared that would happen?