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550 new jobs for Miramichi

Any lost jobs from possible abolishment of long-gun registry will be replaced: PM


Stephen Harper announced that the federal government will create 550 new jobs for Miramichi, assuring the community that any jobs that could be killed with the possible abolishment of the long-gun registry will be replaced. He said that the federal government is planning to spend $298 million over the next six years to consolidate the payroll system for civil servants, which would be centralized at a new centre in Miramichi. “I said the first time I was here that any jobs that were lost in the firearms centre, we would make sure there was federal employment for them here,” Harper said. “Today we have done what we promised.” Locals in the region would be recruited and trained to work at the centre. This announcement comes weeks before Parliament is set to resume debate of a Conservative private member’s bill that would kill the registry, if passed. All registration and licensing requests for restricted and non-restricted
firearms across Canada are currently processed at a Miramichi facility, which employs about 240 people.

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  1. I thought the "bugs" had been worked out of the gun registry fiasco and it was operating on the cheap now….

    550 full time employees to administer it? Still looks like an expensive boondoggle to me…especially considering is does diddly-squat.

    • The cost of the registry, to my knowledge is at 4 million a year. Which sounds reasonable considering the good it does.

      • 550 employees x about $70 000CAN per person per year = $38 500 000 per year just for the employees.
        Average over head for offices and equipment per employee is 60% of wages. So program total minimum is $61 600 000.

        In order to cost "only" 4 million per year the government employees would have to receive $7200 per year and work from home using their own equipment. Using basic math can help you get an idea of the reality of a situation.

        (the $70k is gross before taxes and including benefits, it might be higher in reality.)

        • I just revised the numbers for 240 employees, the program must cost at least $26 880 000CAD

  2. Ooops…my bad…make that 240 administering it…not 550…

    Still…seems extravagant even at 240.

  3. Of course its extravagant. It's a database for under 2,000,000 items, which rarely change ownership.

    It shouldn't take 20 people to administer it annually, much 240.

  4. To put it into simple terms, those 240 people have to handle every legitimate gun transaction in a country of 34 million people: that's one representative for every 142K potential customers. Now, realistically, you've got technical personnel (almost in equivalence to CSR's likely – the Databases and their related connectivity + applications need to be accessible 24/7 99.9999% of the time), administrative positions, and various support staff in there that actually increase that CSR to Customer ratio but, as it stands, that's not particularly unreasonable.

    A more interesting question is that, if we're consolidating the payroll systems, who's getting fired elsewhere so Miramichi can get 550 jobs as a political play?

    • Or "offered" a transfer. Better bone up on David Adams Richards.

    • …who's getting fired elsewhere?

      Well, there's these folks, for starters.

    • No it isn't. First off, the amount of people who are gun owners are >2,000,000. Unless people suddenly get a passion for purchasing firearms that I haven't seen, that number is going to remain stable. That's the estimated number of guns. If you consider that almost all pistol shooters have long guns as well, you can cut the number of owners by a 250,000. If you consider that most sport hunters have more than one type of gun depending on the game they are hunting, you can reduce the number of owners considerably more.

      The gun registry itself has to track very few items for each gun. The owner's name, the owner's current address, the gun's serial number, the gun's caliber, and the gun's make and model. That's a very small database table.

      So why in the hell does it cost nearly $2 billion to develop a secure database on a closed network that has such a small amount of information to track? Why does it require 240 people to administer annually? There is nothing in its security, its breadth of reach, or its code requirements that should require it.

      Either this was the most inefficient and wasteful software development in history, or someone has out and out stolen from us. Either way, there should be a inquiry into it, and heads should roll.

      • Either this was the most inefficient and wasteful software development in history, or someone has out and out stolen from us. Either way, there should be a inquiry into it, and heads should roll.

        Correct, even if this software ultimately turned out to be the most useful, life-saving product in the history of law enforcement.

        But, then, appended to every single query response, there needs to be a phrase that goes something like "This database cannot account for the possibility of unregistered firearms on that person or at that address. Any reliance on this information is at the officer's own risk…"

      • Valid Firearm Licences as of June 2010

        Possession Licence………………………… 722,660
        Possession and Acquisition Licence… 1,100,650
        Minor Licence………………………………… 7,223

        Registered Firearms as of Jun 2010

        Prohibited Firearms…………………… 202,903

        Firearm legally Transferred since 2007, approx 2 million

        If the bill for scapping the long gun registry is passed the only different
        will be Non-restricted Firearms ……….0000

        Of course the total of legally transferred will decrease

        • I thank you for the stats.

          You still can't convince me that the annual costs and staggeringly large startup costs to track that number. As databases go, it is still very small. Especially since we already had a handgun registry (the restricted firearms entry you gave), which we simply needed to ramp up to include long guns.

          Face it Luke, the bureaucrats screwed ambitions for a gun registry more than us knuckle dragging rural types did. Sure, we don't like being on a police database (and being vulnerable to more police interest) merely for owning a functional tool for pest control and hunting. But if it hadn't been grossly mismanaged (or possibly embezzled from) we'd have been used to it a decade ago.

  5. My gawd but McLeans has a left wing readership. Guess that is why I drop in only occasionally. Wanna bet the bulk of their readership are maggots living off the taxpayer…

    • 1) Maggots don't read, and I assure you there aren't any on the public dole.
      2) Drop by less often, please.

      • Yep, leftists like to affirm among themselves their own sense of self-importance – so they don't much like it when right-minded people drop in to see the nonsense that the lefties are spouting on their fave boards, which unfortunately too often includes Macleans …
        … And that, of course, is exactly why I do drop in. It is quite illuminating to see their B.S. in play and at work, and the way in which they pat one another's back as they liberally (how else?) dispense it.

    • I literally live off the taxpayer. I harvest small chunks of flesh from the honest, hard working, Tim Horton's swilling apes of this country. I then head to Starbucks to meet up with my latte drinking Friends of Ché group where we mock people who work for a living and then recite the works of Naomi Klein and Noam Chomsky. We then talk about how much better our lives have been since we ritualistically castrated ourselves and we hope for the fall of Western society (except for Starbucks).

      Then we refuse to support the troops followed by knocking down old people and smoking crack in front of city hall.

      And i am just a moderate/centrist. You don't want to know what the leftists are actually up to…

  6. I think the main point of this story, is that no matter what you think of the gun registry, the important thing is that the Canadian Union of Public Employees is taken care of.

  7. Haper is spending our money so that he can get what he wants. The gun registry is useful and costs only $4 million.
    Harper is useless and costs us much more.

    • 4 million?

      Well gee that means if we assume the building, computers, etc. are free, the 240 workers in the gun registry are making 16.7k a year -rounded up.

      I wish all public employees would settle for that.

    • You honestly think the problem is merely Harper? Try Government.

  8. I get a real kick out of the Liberal commenters on these sites. On one hand they complain that the government should be spread out and not be so central as to be foreign to the outlying provinces, yet when it is suggested that a department from Ottawa be sent to one of them they complain.
    When there is a program in place with absolutely no proof of its effectiveness they support it because of its warm and fuzzy feelings whe the moneycould be spent on far more effective solutions to the problem of the day.
    Mind you, as the Liberal government has already proven it would steal us blind to pad their friends pockets, and don't want anything to disturb that nice little scam. Too bad they got caught in Shawinigate.

  9. Would that be like the assurance he gave the BC logging industry that were he Prime Minister, he'd demand the US fully live up to its NAFTA obligations as determined by the various tribunals on the softwood lumber issue?

    Or is it like the assurance that he gave in that he would not appoint unelected senators such as Michael Fortier?

    Or is it like the assurance that he gave us about not taxing income trusts?

    Or is it like the assurance he gave us about creating a national waiting time registry for health care?

    Or is it like the assurance he gave us about making government more transparent and accountable?

    Or is it like the assurance he gave us about there not going to be a recession in Canada because we already would have had one?

    Or is it like the assurance his cabinet gave us about fixed election dates preventing a prime minister from calling an election when it suited his or her political convenience?

    Well, anyway, I'm sure the citizens of Miramichi are happy to have his assurances. I wonder how many know exactly what they're worth?

    • You seem really bitter. So many talking points, dated and no longer accurate. You should update those points.

      How many senior had $ 500k of their retirement invested in those income trusts? In 2008 why did the voters not punish the Conservatives? During the campaign did Dion forget to mention the meanie broke his promise?

      The Conservatives with the NDP passed the accountability ACT and it is an ongoing need for more. The Liberals led by Dion tried to block it.

      The Liberals have resisted every democratic reform for an elected Senate whining about the PM removing the delays by the Liberals in the senate is moot. The Liberals had four years and they sat on their hands.

      Did all parties except the Bloc refuse opening the books to Auditor General on the Internal Board of Economy?

      What did Paul Szabo use as a defence?

      How many economists predicted the massive decline and failures of some many banks in Fall 2008 and did some disagree?

      September 2008 employment rate was 5.9% (1971 low point) General Election October 14, 2008. Economic Update Nov 2008.

      Did you miss the fact the wheels fell off the bus in Oct-Nov 2008 and the recovery started in the summer of 2009?

      The election date Bill does not limit the powers of the G.G. to follow the advice of a PM. The Courts have thrown out the cases calling it illegal brought by Democracy Watch.

      I concede a point on the national waiting time registry for health care. The rest no points.

      • Dated? They all happened under the current government. Seriously, dated?

        You just lost the rights to use "Shawinigate" or "Adscam" ever again. And Chretien gets a free pass now on anything he got away with.

        Needless to say, next time someone brings up Trudeau and the NEP on these boards, I'll be referring them to you for correction.

  10. Still bitter I see. Your personal shots betray your cognitive dissonance.

    No one makes the claim an election was a single issue. You tried the hidden agenda scary religious intolerance toward Christians for years. It has stopped working. The voters decide who they support.

    The CPC captured 55% of seats excluding Quebec. Quebec with 38.1% rewarded the Bloc with 65% of their seats. Ontario, Alberta and BC are under represented in seats and the EAST is over represented.

    The only region in 2008 that voted in popular support was the Atlantic region. What Liberal Premier will be helping the Federal Liberals in 2010-2011?

    I boils down a simple math equation. Since 2004 we have had a minority government. Paul Martin lost the confidence in parliament. A plain fact you fail to grasp repeatedly.

    The GG granted his dissolution request and the voters rejected the Liberals in a general election.

    The voters in 2006, 2008 and 2009 have rewarded the Conservatives with more seats.

    The only party losing seats and popular vote in a steady trend have been the Liberals since 2000.

    The NDP and Greens have recovered and grown as an alternative to the Liberals.

    The opposition have a clear majority and can remove confidence on ANY issue they feel important including the conservative agenda as so many of you keep complaining about.

    Sadly the Liberals have returned to criticizing everything and than refusing to show up to vote against fearing an election.

    Reality sucks for you because you don't like the government led by Conservatives and the opposition are terrified of seeking a mandate through a non-confidence motion.

    The Liberal Party is falling apart, and will not recover. Like all liberal parties in Europe, it will become a weakling at the mercy of ephemeral coalitions. By refusing the historic coalition that would have placed it at the helm of the left, it will be punished by history.-Janine Krieber Professor at Royal Military College of Canada

  11. Very simply, this economic plan will not be achieved.
    Mr. Harper didn't provide the people of Canada true facts about the Compensation issue the public service employees are facing.

    Soon, the truth will come out.

  12. The Conservative government is relocating nearly 2000 compensation advisors in the federal government to replace them with 550 new advisors. The are not favorable to keeping the pay people already in place. They expect that the new self-service options in the new pay system will work for itself. I work in compensatiion in the federal government and come April, I do not know if I'll have a job or not. The canadian people should ask questions about all the contractors working for the government. Millions could be saved if they didn't need to hire contractors.