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…Because that sort of thing never happens in prison


From a nice piece about Uganda’s anti-homosexual bill in the Globe this morning:

The law would impose a sentence of life imprisonment on anyone who “penetrates the anus or mouth of another person of the same sex with his penis or any other sexual contraption.” The same penalty would apply if he or she even “touches another person with the intention of committing the act of homosexuality.”

So Uganda is going to punish homosexual behaviour by throwing the homosexual into close quarters with dozens of other desperate and lonely men for the rest of his life. Makes perfect sense. Of course that will ‘cure’ him.

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  1. KCM do you even know what "neo conservative" means?

    According to Wikipedia it is:
    "Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.[4]"

    When people use it as a general disdainful term for "hard right" they do themselves a disservice.

    • According to Encarta:
      supporter of return to conservative values: somebody who, during the mid-1980s, began to support conservatism in society, and in politics in particular, as a reaction to the social freedoms sought throughout the 1960s and early 1970s

      • Yeah, that's just wrong. The fathers of neoconservatism mostly broke with the left in the '60's, and almost entirely over foreign policy issues. There is still a tension in neoconservativism because they are typically more socially left while foreign policy hawks than the paleoconservatives.

        • And – I realize this may come as a shock to some – neoconservatives don't typically have a fire-and-brimstone loathing of gays on either a personal or ideological level.

    • Neo-conservatives were one-time liberals; hence the prefix "neo." And contrary to popular belief – and that Wikipedia entry – it was more a reaction to the liberal domestic policy i.e. LBJ's "Great Society" than foreign policy or military power. The famous quotation defining a neo-conservative was quipped by Irving Kristol as "a liberal who has been mugged by reality"

      • My apologies; shouldn't have made that generalization so quickly, based on the big headline issue that the initial neoconservatives were splitting with the extreme left in reaction to Stalin's brutality and Vietnam. Certainly you're right that domestic socialism was part of it.

        • No apologies necessary BDS. In fact, a tougher line on the Soviets, led by Senate Democrat Henry "Scoop" Jackson in the early 70s, was the next wave of neo-conservatism.

  2. Canada's Stephen Lewis denounced Uganda's insane laws yesterday at the Commonwealth People's Forum:

    I've truly never seen its like before. Please forgive the harsh language, but this intended anti-homosexual statute has the taste of fascism.

    And yet, that's only the half of it. What is put at terrible risk here — beyond the threat of the death penalty for HIV-positive homosexuals — is the entire apparatus of AIDS treatment, prevention and care.

    • Ironically, Uganda has one of the best records in SSAfrica for fighting AIDs (ie going from super-crisis to crisis level). Its a fairly well managed country, by the standards of African dictatorships.

      • Its a fairly well managed country, by the standards of African dictatorships.

        Of course, that's not saying much.

        Torture tops the list of human rights abuses registered by the Uganda Human Rights Commission in 2008.

        • Best newspaper headline I ever saw was in Uganda, in HUGE type across the front page: PRESIDENT MUSEVENI WARNS PASTORS: SODOMY, EXTORTION, ELECTRIC GADGETS IN CHURCH ARE ILLEGAL

          • LOL.

    • When I saw "forgive the harsh language", I really hoped that Lewis was about to start swearing.

      But that's still a terrifically strong statement in a non-trivial international forum. People are going to hear that and I'm proud to have that associated with Canada. Nice to know that our diplomats still have some chutzpah.

      • Agreed. Stephen Lewis makes us all proud.

  3. I'm not the biggest supporter of homosexuality or its subculture.

    But this act by the Ugandan government is among the worst examples of brutal repression that will lead to a great deal of suffering. It should be vigorously opposed by any means necessary.

    • "supporter of homosexuality or its subculture"

      By "subculture" you're obviously referring to things in the various gay villages (Church Street, West Hollywood, etc), i.e. the stereotypes.

      You think that gay people in Uganda behave like the gay stereotype you have in mind?

      And why don't you back up not being a supporter of "homosexuality" with some facts? Or is just bigotry?

      • I don't see why I should back up not being a supporter of homosexuality. I mean, I don't support binge drinking even though that has a genetic component, is a lifestyle issue, and I generally don't approve of prohibition. You wouldn't begrudge me that position, even though alcholism isn't exactly a "choice".

        Largely, I don't support or encourage homosexuality because I don't think it leads to happiness. I also don't believe that homosexuality is a mental illness or a genetic defect that is switched on at birth like most supporters of homosexuality seem to. I just believe that it is a sexual fetish or prediliction, and a very uncomplicated one to aquire and become ingrained with, but nothing more. If you have found something in Neurobiology that disproves that assertion, bring it to my attention rather than insults.

        However, I don't approve of criminalizing or locking up homosexuals because I think it leads to more unhappiness than homosexuality. So there is where I stand.

        • It's really funny that the only people who think being gay is a choice are people who've never "made it." And those who think we're "unhappy" are themselves never the people who've had to bear the unhappiness.

          Why don't you bring up some evidence to support anything you're saying?

          I can tell you I never made any choice, and I'm certainly not at all unhappy (at least not about being gay–I'd certainly be a lot happier if I won the lottery tomorrow.)

          You also don't contradict my point that the stereotypical gay "lifestyle" is found only in the West (and is still a stereotype) and it's probably not very likely that this "lifestyle" is reflected in the experience of the vast majority of gays in the world.

          • When did I ever say that being gay was a choice? Sexuality is an ongoing and organic process.

    • How do you "support" — or for that matter, not support — homosexuality?

      Other than, if you're so opposed to homosexuality, don't homosex. But really, what more can you do?

      • We're going to have to see some proof of TedTyler non homosexing.

        • You'll also need some proof that I've stopped beating my wife I assume?

          • Nice. That one never fails to please.

  4. Neo conservative solutions as enablers of sinful behaviour…who coulda thunk it?

    • What's sinful? Being gay? (Or not stoning your neighbour if he works on the sabbath?) Or passing legislation sending gay people to jail and executing those who have HIV?

      Somehow, I know what Jesus would say, if he existed.

  5. I just want to know why John is at the bottom of the Moron Index.

    I mean, Poilievre or Anders and I'd understand.. but John?