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Canadians believe Afghans were tortured

Poll finds majority also believes the government misled them on detainees


 

Canadians just aren’t buying the federal government’s claims Afghan detainees weren’t tortured. The vast majority believe that prisoners handed over to Afghan authorities by the Canadian military were in fact mistreated—this, despite recent testimony to the contrary by top military officers like Rick Hillier, Canada’s former chief of defense staff. What’s more, most Canadians say the government intentionally misled them. The EKOS poll shows that 83 per cent think Ottawa was aware of the high potential for abuse before they handed over detainees. And only 24 per cent of Canadians say they are satisfied with the government’s overall transparency and disclosure regarding the later allegations of torture.

CBC News


 
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Canadians believe Afghans were tortured

  1. Although I in no way condone the torture of mistreatment of detainees…83 percent of Canadians need to come to terms with the reality of war and what actually goes on when any nation is involved in a mission of this size and severity.

    • … er, Canadians have– it's the brass and politicians who stuck their heads in the stand and ignored reality, and Canadians– while proud of our order-obeying troops on the ground– want those in charge to be held to account for this reality.

  2. Ask me if I care that maybe a terrosit scumbag got rough treatment and my answer will be a resounding NO! When the terrorists start giving a $%& about killing our Canadian soldiers and admit to the torture they themselves are guilty of – then I might take notice. Until then, war is brutal and I am more concerned that our soldiers make it out alive then the so-called ‘fact’ that a taliban terrorist might or might not have been hurt. Our soldiers did no wrong and for me that is the bottom line.

    • Ask me if I think your opinion, faultily arrived at and further misinformed by a stunted sense of morality, is worth the time it took to read it.

    • "All war is deception."

      Sun Tzu

      • PR wars, even more so!

    • If you're actually concerned about our soldiers getting out of there alive then you care if they get rough treatment.

      Think about it. You're an afghan farmer pressed into service by on of the local warlords loyald to the Taliban. Are you likely to surrender to these Canadian troops if you hear they'll pass you over to the Afghani authorities who will probably beat the crap out of you and may well kill you? Probably not. You'll fight for all your worth, because being captured may be worse than being dead.

      Now, suppose you're the same farmer and you've heard that when the Canadians see anybody mistreating the people they've captured, they stop it, give the hurt person treatment and make sure he's got decent food and shelter.. possibly better than you're getting now even. Then surrender becomes a much more palatable option.. and the more of these guys that surrender, the less of them are actually killing our troops.

    • And course, Cate Ridley, all individuals arrested and detained in a war are "terrorist scumbags". In a war, mistakes are never made, the innocent people are always recognized for who they are and let go…safeguarded from torture Aside from that one little issue of human rights, Canada does not condone or associates with torture on any level. It's what makes us a safe haven for millions of people. It is also the international law Canada helped draw up. You are the worst sort of Canadian. We are a democracy that should and does lead by example and even allows your kind to spew and voice your poison without fear of recrimination. Were you in Afghanistan? Now? Voicing your opinion as you do…you would probably have your head chopped off…that is…after you'd been sodomized with a knife and had your gonads toasted by the Taliban…it would interesting to see how brave your talk would be after having a hand or arm cut off.

    • There really are none so blind as those who refuse to see. We should send Cate and others of her kind to Afghanistan. They would get along famously with the Taliban since they share the same moral and ethical standards.

  3. What 24 percent of Canadians need to realize is that we are by law obliged to follow the Geneva Convention regardless of what the conditions are on the ground. If we knew there was a likelyhood of these prisoners beng tortured then our country's obligation is to stop the transfers immediately and find alternative means to detainee these prisoners. The other issue of misleading Canadians and refusal to disclose evidence that supports these allegations ;not only at parliamentary committe but also at the Military Crimes Commission ,appear to be acts of desperation to hide the government's misconduct. Canadians have the right to know if our government knowingly chose to ignore all the warns about torture and abuse that were taking place in Afghan prisons. That is the issue.

    • The geneva convention is flawed-you can never truly know what someone is going to do with another person in the future, after you hand them over. You also can't prove what someone knew or didn't know at any given time, we should opt out of the convention.

  4. Bingo!

    Although I have to admit the questions were probably loaded.

  5. Gee, some Taliban were tortured by the people whose girls had acid thrown in their eyes and who have purposely killed civilians at markets and other public places. I'm outraged.
    Why didn't they shoot them?

    • How many times does this need going over? We're the good guys. Good guys don't torture. It's part of the definition. If you believe that torture is acceptable, then you share more in common with the Taliban than you do with us.

  6. Do "good guys" make their central cause celebre, above all other sources of misery and injustice in the world,

    the protection of the Taliban?

    It's one thing to not condone it,

    it's quite another to endlessly parade the grave "injustice" being done to those poor Taliban, likening them to innocent children in dire need our entire country's resources and attention focused on their protection.

    The far left has gone completely off the deep end on this one.

    Expressing greater outrage over the roughing up of thugs who behead innocents, stone women, hang gays and blow up children, than

    the beheading of innocents, stoning of women and blowing up children,

    is simply morally repugnant.

    • If you consider 83% of Canadians to be on the far left, your view of the political spectrum becomes much easier to understand.

    • Good thing nobody's doing that then.

  7. Convince me that Canadians truly care abut human rights? We vacation in Cuba and some of our lefties attempt to form a common bond with the castroites by affirming their disdain for America. And all the time the Canadian ignores the Cuban Apartheid Wall-the Atlantic ocean.

    A 17-year-old named Orlando Travieso was armed with only a homemade paddle when he was machine-gunned to death in March 1991. His crime was trying to flee Cuba on a tiny raft.

    A time came when locals were shocked and dismayed at the constant sound of machine gun fire. The Castro brothers were sensitive to this, and changed their tactics. They began to fly over rafts filled with Cuban dissidents, and drop sand bags on them, where many either drowned or were torn apart by tiger or hammer head sharks.

    • Good comment, but one glaring error. Hammerhead sharks are not man eaters. There have been 33 recorded attacks since 1580, with no deaths. Tiger sharks on the other hand, very aggressive.

    • So you'd have us send our troops over to Cuba to invade and perhaps start a third world war then? Interesting.

      Obviously if we could cure all the worlds ills, we would. Given that we can't, let's at least do what we can. At the very least, we should ensure that we're not adding to the problem by giving people over to those who torture.

      Our troops know this. It seems a shame it took a year for the Harper government to act on it, and even then only under intense public scrutiny and while denying anything was wrong as they did it.

  8. So you'd have us send our troops over to Cuba to invade and perhaps start a third world war then? Interesting.

    Obviously if we could cure all the worlds ills, we would. Given that we can't, let's at least do what we can. At the very least, we should ensure that we're not adding to the problem by giving people over to those who torture.

    Our troops know this. It seems a shame it took a year for the Harper government to act on it, and even then only under intense public scrutiny and while denying anything was wrong as they did it.

  9. The fact is the Canadian Government and its Armed Forces did not ever torture any prisoners. All the NATO countries (those in Afghanistan) hand over there prisoners to the Government of Afghanistan. Canada always insisted they not be tortured (or worse). However, Afghanistan is a sovereign nation. They have control of their own country. It is an Islamic country and they have many laws that would horrify those of us in western democracies but the fact is they are their laws and they work for them. Afghanistan is in a horrible state and will be for some time. A state of war. Some people will get roughed up by the Afghanistan Government no matter how many times they tell Canada or other NATO countries they will not. If any troops read this, my thanks to you. You are doing a tremendous job to better Afghanis lives and you do us proud.

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