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Croatian military leaders convicted of war crimes

Gotovina and Markac guilty of persecuting Serbs in 1995 war


 

The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugolsavia in The Hague has convicted two Croatian military leaders for war crimes committed during the Croatian War of Independence in 1995. Ante Gotovina and Mladen Markac were sentenced to 24 years and 18 years respectively for their role in the murder and persecution of the Serb civilian population in Croatia’s Krajina region. About 200,000 ethnic Serbs were driven from Croatia in 1995, and at least 150 were killed. “The Croatian military committed acts of murder, cruel treatment, inhumane acts, plunder, persecution and deportation,” said presiding Judge Alphons Orie in his ruling. The court found that Gotovina and Markac had a prominent role in overseeing the anti-Serb campaign. A crowd gathered in Zagreb to watch the hearing, and booed when the judge announced the guilty verdicts. Many Croatians regard the two men as heroes.

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Croatian military leaders convicted of war crimes

  1. This article, and the entire "process" fail to mention the context of Operation Storm as a whole, one of legitimate liberation from a terrorist group of radicals. Picture if Canada had a quarter of its territory held by terrorists who shelled Canadian cities daily, and then refused two peace plans. That entity would be destroyed in a timely fashion. Croatia initially was loosing in the 1990s Balkan wars, but ended up a victor. Alas Croats today you feel the demonization that Israel faces everyday.

  2. This article, and the entire "process" fail to mention the context of Operation Storm as a whole, one of legitimate liberation from a terrorist group of radicals. Picture if Canada had a quarter of its territory held by terrorists who shelled Canadian cities daily, and then refused two peace plans. That entity would be destroyed in a timely fashion. Croatia initially was loosing in the 1990s Balkan wars, but ended up a victor. Alas Croats today you feel the demonization that Israel faces everyday.

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      • Israel? Are you kidding? What is Israel doing to the Palestinian people? Forcible displacement; crimes against humanity and onwards.

    • Bravo – M. Woflman !!!

      • jeni is a nazi too! you must love hitler jeni – do you have a poster of him in your room?

    • I still have yet to see one person provide for any kind of intelligent response to my main initial point: If Canada had a quarter of its territory held by terrorists who shelled Canadian cities daily, and then refused two peace plans, would that entity not be destroyed in a timely fashion? You see according to international law (something Serbs seem to be backing fully these days), that territory belonged (and still does) to the Republich of Croatia, and not anybody else, hence military action was completely legallaly and morally justifiable. And moving forward, should the Serbs posting their banter on this webiste not be a little more concerned with the presence of radical Islam in the Balkans? Croats and Serbs fought this together, perhaps you should re-consider why this was so 500 years ago and re-think your geo-political "alliances"…

    • Context: This extermination of Serbs from Croatia is just a continuation of the ethnic cleansing started in Jasenovac in 1941. That is why were Serbs terrified of NDH (Independent State of Croatia) and wanted to stay in Yugoslavia. Bringing the percentage of Serbs who were living on that territory for centuries from solid double digits to low single digits in 1991-1995 is a genocide. The Serbs who were not able to escape on time, mostly elderly and disabled (terrorists?), were killed in their homes and their homes were later populated by Croats. That is the victory you are proud of.

      You can not compare Israel with this. Israel was never exterminating people en masse as Croats did twice in the twentieth century.

      • Jeff…You are ignorant to what the serbs did in the last 60 years…I stood on the top of a hole to an underground cave where serbs through croats into for over 40 years…when cave divers went in they estimate the visible remains to be between 23000-25000 people…and this is in just one cave…around Sosice there are several. My grandmother watched them march thousands out of hospitals and schools to the caves so don't lecture anyone on ethnic cleansing, Vukovar was wiped off the map and those in charge got no more than 10yrs, this is unequal justice!

        • yah yah sure more croatian nazi fairytales

    • Court's ruling does not dispute the legitimacy of the Operation Storm but shows that there were criminal and unlawful elements present during the operation. The entire "process" uncovers that Operation Storm's sub context to ethnically cleanse the Serb populated region of Croatia overshadows the public context of a so called liberation. The legitimacy of liberation needs to be looked from all sides involved, including the indigenous Serb population in Croatia which you so liberally call terrorists. This proves the exact nature of the Yugoslav war where victims were civilians caught in such liberation actions whether they be Croats in Serb territory or Serbs in Croat territory.

      To put it in Canadian context: hypothetically if Canadian government decides to take sovereignty away from Quebec; makes Quebecois citizens of the subclass minority; tells Quebecois they can now only speak English; strips them of their voting rights and from all official government positions; and labels them terrorists; result would be overwhelmingly similar. Quebec would violently fight just like Croatian Serbs fought Tudjman's government.

  3. M. Wolfman , sorry but you are totally wrong. There is no excuse for crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing. Your comment sound as silent approval of everything that happened in "Operation Storm."

  4. M. Wolfman , sorry but you are totally wrong. There is no excuse for crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing. Your comment sound as silent approval of everything that happened in "Operation Storm."

  5. haha M. Wolfman how does it feel that JUSTICE has come to the sons of the Nazi croats that killed a million serbian women and children and peasents – you thought you got away with it in this life like your forefathers pavelic and the croatian nazis not this time. Your croatia is a land that is filled with serbian blood and its land has countless Serbian corpses buried within it. Croatia wouldn't have even existed unless Serbia forgave it both after WWI and WWII for its fight as a nation with the austrians and germans and the evil both sides and they LOST. Krajina is still Serbian land doesnt matter what google maps says it is in Serbian hearts and even if separated for another 10,000 years you nazi croats won't be able to take it from Serbian hearts. Serbs will come back and take what is theirs. Krajina never was yours, you are defeated today. And the truth is just starting to overcome your nation. Even if you are not from croatia defending them is evil and you stand in that evil so you too are full of darkness.

  6. haha M. Wolfman how does it feel that JUSTICE has come to the sons of the Nazi croats that killed a million serbian women and children and peasents – you thought you got away with it in this life like your forefathers pavelic and the croatian nazis not this time. Your croatia is a land that is filled with serbian blood and its land has countless Serbian corpses buried within it. Croatia wouldn't have even existed unless Serbia forgave it both after WWI and WWII for its fight as a nation with the austrians and germans and the evil both sides and they LOST. Krajina is still Serbian land doesnt matter what google maps says it is in Serbian hearts and even if separated for another 10,000 years you nazi croats won't be able to take it from Serbian hearts. Serbs will come back and take what is theirs. Krajina never was yours, you are defeated today. And the truth is just starting to overcome your nation. Even if you are not from croatia defending them is evil and you stand in that evil so you too are full of darkness.

    • (1) by "filled with" you mean "polluted by"

      (2) Serbs have hearts? Could have fooled me.

    • I am Croatian. I just want to let you know that the big problem with people with you is you only see one side of the story. Serbs were the aggressors, they came to Croatia killed, tortured and raped, all sorts of men, women, and children. Basically when stuff like that starts to happen the gloves come off and you have things like what Croatians did to defend themselves. At the time there was literally no point in letting a serb live because they would just get back up and kill and rap some more. Its so pretty or nice what was done but it had to be done.

      Thank God for Gotovina, he gave his life to protect Croatia.

      • ****Its NOT pretty or nice what was done but it had to be done

      • haahahhahaha yah yah sure, do you think that people are going to keep believing your lies and deceit??? that time is done everyone knows croatias LUST for Hitler and that they are nazi's –

        stop with your lies you sound like you need to go to see a dr

        • we are not the ones that were caught altering history books…you are the heads of the lier department.

          • what Serb has to alter their history? ??? there is no nation that has a history like Serbia – every evil empire has fallen at the hands of the serbs, the islamic turkish slavery empire fell, austrian/hungarian evil gone, bulgarian gone, italian fascist died, nazi croatia lost, nazi germany lost, NATO US lost, Serbs have always won and you have always lostjavascript: postComment(1);

        • You are so ignorant and full of hatred and in need of an education because you clearly do not know the facts. It is sad to hear comments like these. It is no lie to say that croatians have had a bloody history because they were constantly being violently overpowered by others…hence why they wanted their own country. Can you really blame them for defending their nation from the Serbs who had invaded? How in the world can this be disputed.

    • you are a joke…..lol cigan!

  7. Israel? Are you kidding? What is Israel doing to the Palestinian people? Forcible displacement; crimes against humanity and onwards.

  8. Bravo – M. Woflman !!!

  9. jeni is a nazi too! you must love hitler jeni – do you have a poster of him in your room?

  10. I applaud the Serb apologists "Taylor", "Danilo" and "Mike" for your laughable attempt at refuting my argument. Not a single one of you responded with anything but uneducated slobber about Nazism. Anybody who talks about NAZIS only does so when they know they have no real argument. It is known in the scholarly world as the argumentum ad Hitlerum, perhaps you could look into that. And besides the whole "nazi" card was attempted in the 1990s and failed dismally, I suggest you try a new strategy. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For the record, I am Jewish, and support Israel, so your attempt at equating me with a "Nazi" is only further reduced as any form of argument, legitimate or not. So please spare me the radical antics. I will now reply to each of you and totally refute your foolish arguments. And yes maybe I have a few Croatian friends, FORGIVE ME!

  11. I applaud the Serb apologists "Taylor", "Danilo" and "Mike" for your laughable attempt at refuting my argument. Not a single one of you responded with anything but uneducated slobber about Nazism. Anybody who talks about NAZIS only does so when they know they have no real argument. It is known in the scholarly world as the argumentum ad Hitlerum, perhaps you could look into that. And besides the whole "nazi" card was attempted in the 1990s and failed dismally, I suggest you try a new strategy. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For the record, I am Jewish, and support Israel, so your attempt at equating me with a "Nazi" is only further reduced as any form of argument, legitimate or not. So please spare me the radical antics. I will now reply to each of you and totally refute your foolish arguments. And yes maybe I have a few Croatian friends, FORGIVE ME!

  12. @Mike, the vast majority of the Croatian population in WW2, and today, never voted for, or officially condoned Nazism in any way shape or form. The Ustase were a serious minority and only held power by force and the support of the Nazi war machine. The vast majority of Croatian soldiers in WW2 were part of the resistance Partisan formations. In addtion, the checkerboard flag has been in use for over 1500 years, including as part of Serb run royalist Yugolsavia under the Karadordevic dynasty. Was there a holocaust in Croatia? Yes. Were there willing collaborators? Yes. Was that the same case EVERYWHERE else in the world? Yes. Were there determined resistance movements? Yes. And finally, if Croatia was such a "Nazi" state, why did Croatian Jews so openly back it when they could have fled? Why did Shimon Peres (Israeli President and longtime Zionist) visit Croatia and openly declare this nation a "Friend of Israel''? Why was Jadranka Kosor (Croatian PM) so well recieved in Tel Aviv a few days ago at a Croatian-Israeli business forum?

  13. This is a political trial and no justice is delivered at Hague. Also Serbian extremists and bloody JNA officers who were shelling Vukovar, Dubrovnik and other Croatian towns without mercy and killing civilians are walking free and un-punished. This is a shame for international justice and a scam of a trial…Serbs still leave in 1st, 2nd war, Balkan wars, Kosovo war etc. and celebrate their lost wars, judging by the comments.

  14. Why aren't Canadian Jews outraged at the current support this Conservative government is lending towards Croatia (NATO support, visa regime abolished, memorandums on youth tranist signed, Jason Kenney making frequent visits to Canadian-Croatian clubs, etc.) considering how supportive of Israel the Cons are? Enlighten me oh educated one!

  15. @Mike, the vast majority of the Croatian population in WW2, and today, never voted for, or officially condoned Nazism in any way shape or form. The Ustase were a serious minority and only held power by force and the support of the Nazi war machine. The vast majority of Croatian soldiers in WW2 were part of the resistance Partisan formations. In addtion, the checkerboard flag has been in use for over 1500 years, including as part of Serb run royalist Yugolsavia under the Karadordevic dynasty. Was there a holocaust in Croatia? Yes. Were there willing collaborators? Yes. Was that the same case EVERYWHERE else in the world? Yes. Were there determined resistance movements? Yes. And finally, if Croatia was such a "Nazi" state, why did Croatian Jews so openly back it when they could have fled? Why did Shimon Peres (Israeli President and longtime Zionist) visit Croatia and openly declare this nation a "Friend of Israel''? Why was Jadranka Kosor (Croatian PM) so well recieved in Tel Aviv a few days ago at a Croatian-Israeli business forum?

    • Why aren't Canadian Jews outraged at the current support this Conservative government is lending towards Croatia (NATO support, visa regime abolished, memorandums on youth tranist signed, Jason Kenney making frequent visits to Canadian-Croatian clubs, etc.) considering how supportive of Israel the Cons are? Enlighten me oh educated one!

  16. This is a political trial and no justice is delivered at Hague. Also Serbian extremists and bloody JNA officers who were shelling Vukovar, Dubrovnik and other Croatian towns without mercy and killing civilians are walking free and un-punished. This is a shame for international justice and a scam of a trial…Serbs still leave in 1st, 2nd war, Balkan wars, Kosovo war etc. and celebrate their lost wars, judging by the comments.

  17. @Danilo, as a Serb you really shouldn't be talkin about war crimes. Unless of course you are going to condemn Serb war crimes before anything, seeing as how Serbs were responsible for the majority of war crimes in the Balkans, and were the first to start open hostilities. However, you seem somewhat reasonable, and even you can see that Croatia and Serbia are essentially friends now, save a few speedbumps. Want to know why? Radical Islam. It is a serious threat in the Balkans, and both sides realize this.

  18. @Taylor, your over estimation of Serbian military might is exactly one of the main reasons why Serb military forces were so heavily defeated in the most recent Balkan wars. Heavily over estimating one's capabilites is never a good thing. A million Serbs? Sure buddy, keep peddeling inflated numbers to try and legitimize your anger. WW2 was a civil war in Yugoslavia with casualties roughly evenly divided (You guys like to use that line, you should be used to it). Serbs wanted Greater Serbia with all Serbs under one roof, and you lost, get over it and move on. Lol full of darkness? Haha you sound like my bubbe complaining about Bernie Madoff, you two may get along.

  19. To all, nobody has yet to properly answer to my main argument, "Picture if Canada had a quarter of its territory held by terrorists who shelled Canadian cities daily, and then refused two peace plans. That entity would be destroyed in a timely fashion." That is what happened in Croatia, how would Canadians react?
    And my other main point, the comparison with Israel. Let me shed some light on Israeli history, in 1948 Israel was attacked after being declared independent, and was initially heavily out-gunned and out-numbered, and yet prevailed. As now as the victor (including several wars and permanent states of counter-insurgency to this day), Israel is being portrayed as this evil doer, when it wasn't even the first to start the war. Exact same situation in Croatia, in 1991 after declaring independence, Serbs first started their "Log Revolution" and openly declared hostilities. You started it, you lost, deal with it. Lucy for Croats this will blow over relatively quickly as there are greater schemes at play and ultimately they won; those who support Israel won't get that closure anytime soon.

  20. @Danilo, as a Serb you really shouldn't be talkin about war crimes. Unless of course you are going to condemn Serb war crimes before anything, seeing as how Serbs were responsible for the majority of war crimes in the Balkans, and were the first to start open hostilities. However, you seem somewhat reasonable, and even you can see that Croatia and Serbia are essentially friends now, save a few speedbumps. Want to know why? Radical Islam. It is a serious threat in the Balkans, and both sides realize this.

  21. @Taylor, your over estimation of Serbian military might is exactly one of the main reasons why Serb military forces were so heavily defeated in the most recent Balkan wars. Heavily over estimating one's capabilites is never a good thing. A million Serbs? Sure buddy, keep peddeling inflated numbers to try and legitimize your anger. WW2 was a civil war in Yugoslavia with casualties roughly evenly divided (You guys like to use that line, you should be used to it). Serbs wanted Greater Serbia with all Serbs under one roof, and you lost, get over it and move on. Lol full of darkness? Haha you sound like my bubbe complaining about Bernie Madoff, you two may get along.

    • Nazi woflman – i didn't say 1,000,000 serbs in 90's you should know that but what do you know except HATE of Serbs and total blind racism and nazism, i was talking about your forefathers that you are fighting for the nazi croats that killed YES over 1,000,000 Serbs but like the muslims and the people who hate Jews you will say only 30,000 Serbs were killed by the innocent nazi croatians in WWII right you nazis need serious therapy.

  22. Wolfman – STOP – you are living in a false accusatory world that is all you and the jihadists and nazi's have. Terrorists? huh? what are you talking about? Do you even know what started the war, do you have any scientific FACTS??? who are you??? you just through out a FALSE analogy with NO SCIENTIFIC FACTS and say nobody responds? Do you think that your false accustations and analogies are going to work forever? Do you know what started the war? Do you know that Serbians were a constituent nation and were a significant part of the population there. THERE WAS A LEGAL STATE called YUGOSLAVIA. Here is an analogy for you …. the real truth – Yugoslavia is Canada and now people in Quebec the French side declare unilateral independence – and they declare all Canadian citizens a minority take away there rights and start their own military. Then those quebec forces put a nazi symbol on their flage evoke all nazi state symbols and their leaders start talking about erasing quebec of Canadian citizens. Then Canada trys to come and make peace between the Canada citizens in Quebec and the Quebec French that declared independence and took away the rights of the Canadian people and their land.
    You have to understand something wolfman Krajina is not Croatian land, communist TITO a croatian dictator that killed countless serbs gave Croatia that land, as Communist Yugoslavia under Croatian authority was COMPLETELY anti-Serbian.
    I have scientific facts, the world does, you are a nazi sympathizer, you have NO FACTS. Tell me something nazi Woflman why does Serbia have 1,000,000 refugees and internally displaced persons? Why does muslim sarajevo which once had 250,000 CHristian Serbs now have less then 5000? THese are FACTS waiting for your response, then you can also tell me why Kosovo is almost completely clean of Serbs 400,000 refugees from Kosovo in Serbia. And don't even get me started on Croatia, at one point 25% of Croatia included Serbs living on their own Land NOT CROATIAN LAND and now there is less then 3%.
    You give me some scientific facts.

    You have been exposed, your nazi and jihadist protection and eager, has been exposed – YOU HAVE LOST – SO HAS CROATIA and we will sue people like you all over the world.

    If we were to get into documentation you would go run in a cave how many documents and scientific facts there are of what the Croats, Muslims, Slovenians, and Albanians did to the Serbs and how it was all planned decades before. But like WWI and WWII they LOST again.

    You think Croatia WON! hahahahaha – they forced out 350,000 old people and farmers!!! hahahah WOW what a great military, bravo nazi croats, bravo for forcing out the helpless and weak. You are so great like your nazi buddy woflman who has no scientific facts just false accusatory attacks and analogies that are will known in psychological circles as a medical disorder, psyhopathic, delusional –

    you lost nazi.

    and ps- what is a serb apologists there are no two sides there is only one side the TRUTH and that is what you and the croats and the muslim jihadists are trying so hard to change and take attention from with your psycho analogies and false accusations.

  23. see below Nazi Woflman –

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  25. Gotovina guilty? Just goes to show what a shameful system and comical episode the Hague is to the judicial process. What are you supposed to do when Arkan's paramilitary force comes through a Croatian village and burns, kills and rapes everything and anything in their path. Gotovina was a hero then, he is a hero today, and will always be a hero in the heart of every Croat.
    Bog i Hrvati
    Za dom Spremni!

  26. Gotovina guilty? Just goes to show what a shameful system and comical episode the Hague is to the judicial process. What are you supposed to do when Arkan's paramilitary force comes through a Croatian village and burns, kills and rapes everything and anything in their path. Gotovina was a hero then, he is a hero today, and will always be a hero in the heart of every Croat.
    Bog i Hrvati
    Za dom Spremni!

    • Hey nazi, yah yah sure gotovina is a hero yah we have heard you tired and boring story, to paint some nazi checkers on your face and cry like the other croatian cowards. what a hero your gotovina was for forcing old farmers and women out of Serbian lands WOW WHAT A HERO – you nazi croats have so much to be PROUD OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! especially that checkered hitler flag

      • Your an absolute joke and should be ashamed of yourself for even replying to my comment.
        Were you there to see your childhood friend of 25 years be thrown into a meat grinder along with his wife and 6 year old son by Arkan and his gang? Were you there to see Chetniks come through and have 10 men rape an 8 year old Croatian girl so that she would give birth to a Serbian baby? Were you there to see a man being forced by Serbian scum to mutilate his own wife?
        I was there. I witnessed these attrocities first hand and for a coward like you, Taylor, (which to me sounds like you live in a trailor and have sex with your first cousin) to come on to a blog and spew your garbage is laughable and is a complete waste of my time to reply.

        • yah yah sure sure croatian fairytales – do you need some more tissues your GREAT hero is the biggest coward, wait actually croatia as a nation is the most cowardice nation that has ever existed – during every war you guys fight with evil and need the austrians, hungarians, nazi's, then NATO and america to fight for you – haha cowards, go wipe your tears with a nazi checkered hankerchief and if it is a waste of your time then don't reply because you lost just like in WWI and WWII and you lost today –

          • Your an idiot.
            clearly have nothing better to do with your time because you are, very immaturely might I add, trying to be an instigator here on a blog. Posting and commenting on virtually everybodys post with some non-educated, childish and ridiculous remark.
            Get a life pal!

          • TRUTH HURTS YOU NAZIS DOESNT IT

          • lol Im Croatian but Im no Nazi, and i have yet to met a Croatian Nazi over my 15 years of traveling there. But man i tell you I would love to bump into some like you in a dark ally and really show you how scared we really are.

          • yah so brave that you needed austria, hungary, germany, bulgaria, italy, NATO, US

            wow you guys are so brave

  27. Nazi woflman – i didn't say 1,000,000 serbs in 90's you should know that but what do you know except HATE of Serbs and total blind racism and nazism, i was talking about your forefathers that you are fighting for the nazi croats that killed YES over 1,000,000 Serbs but like the muslims and the people who hate Jews you will say only 30,000 Serbs were killed by the innocent nazi croatians in WWII right you nazis need serious therapy.

  28. Hey nazi, yah yah sure gotovina is a hero yah we have heard you tired and boring story, to paint some nazi checkers on your face and cry like the other croatian cowards. what a hero your gotovina was for forcing old farmers and women out of Serbian lands WOW WHAT A HERO – you nazi croats have so much to be PROUD OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! especially that checkered hitler flag

  29. To think that people as uneducated and primative as you actually had power in Serbia at one point is very telling of the kind of results you have "achieved" for yourself. Lol you don't even understand the words I used in my comments, oh dear. First off, the whole nazi thing is getting old, if you are going to use slander, at least call me a self-hating Jew, thats the proper term for a Jew who "loves Nazis" as I apparently do lol. ; )

    I am only going to "respond" to the only blip of your response that has any relevance to this article. "Krajina" was never "Serb land", it was Croatian land where Serbs were invited to fight a common ennemy, radical expansionist Islam, something that is kind of coming back into style these days. You may want to focus more on this then your neighbours bud, I can tell you all about radical Islam.

  30. Krajina Serbs started an armed rebellion, massacred countless people, destroyed everything non-Serbian and then had the opportunity to settle for peace twice, Z4 and Daruvar. They refused. They continued shelling Croatian cities, then finally, they were destoryed. Tough love. People like you are the same as the PLO terrorists radicals (not all Palestinians are terroist, I am not an ignorant Kahanist) who shoot rockets at Israel and then complain when the response comes-a-knockin' on their door. Sorry bud, you lost, move on. This farce of a sentance will have no bearing on the overall situation.

  31. To think that people as uneducated and primative as you actually had power in Serbia at one point is very telling of the kind of results you have "achieved" for yourself. Lol you don't even understand the words I used in my comments, oh dear. First off, the whole nazi thing is getting old, if you are going to use slander, at least call me a self-hating Jew, thats the proper term for a Jew who "loves Nazis" as I apparently do lol. ; )

    I am only going to "respond" to the only blip of your response that has any relevance to this article. "Krajina" was never "Serb land", it was Croatian land where Serbs were invited to fight a common ennemy, radical expansionist Islam, something that is kind of coming back into style these days. You may want to focus more on this then your neighbours bud, I can tell you all about radical Islam.

    • Krajina Serbs started an armed rebellion, massacred countless people, destroyed everything non-Serbian and then had the opportunity to settle for peace twice, Z4 and Daruvar. They refused. They continued shelling Croatian cities, then finally, they were destoryed. Tough love. People like you are the same as the PLO terrorists radicals (not all Palestinians are terroist, I am not an ignorant Kahanist) who shoot rockets at Israel and then complain when the response comes-a-knockin' on their door. Sorry bud, you lost, move on. This farce of a sentance will have no bearing on the overall situation.

      • hey buddy scientific facts please your tired false accusations are making you look like something is wrong with your mentally – do you think this war happened in antiquity that there aren't scientific data, records and facts – haha you lose nazi. It is just beginning of the end for you and all the nazi croats and muslim jihadists in bosnia and kosovo – turks have fallen, austrians, hungarians, bulgarians have fallen, ustasa nazis, nazi germany, italians, all have fallen in defeat to the serbs, get used to it – you lose, you can't respond cause you have nothing and no scientific facts just the boring delusional racist nazi attacks against serbs

        go get a tissue and wipe your eyes that your hero gotovina is going to rot in is evil

        • Lol scientific facts? Here is one: I am not Croatian, lol, nice try though, but I can see why they had to destroy the "Krajina." There is simply no negotiating with you is there? You are keeping my hungover Friday at work rather entertaining "Taylor," for that I salute you. I don't know if I have ever spoken to such a putz for so long. Cheers!

  32. hey buddy scientific facts please your tired false accusations are making you look like something is wrong with your mentally – do you think this war happened in antiquity that there aren't scientific data, records and facts – haha you lose nazi. It is just beginning of the end for you and all the nazi croats and muslim jihadists in bosnia and kosovo – turks have fallen, austrians, hungarians, bulgarians have fallen, ustasa nazis, nazi germany, italians, all have fallen in defeat to the serbs, get used to it – you lose, you can't respond cause you have nothing and no scientific facts just the boring delusional racist nazi attacks against serbs

    go get a tissue and wipe your eyes that your hero gotovina is going to rot in is evil

  33. So what really started the war there? Please tell us Taylor how the innocent Serb farmers and elderly started shelling Croatian cities with JNA armaments and how Milosevic was working hard to destroy Yugoslav constitution, until he destroyed Yugoslavia or Serboslavia as popularly called. Canada be aware, Serbs may be the constituent nation of Canada too! Also where there is even one Serb, that is Serbia, isn't it Taylor?

  34. So what really started the war there? Please tell us Taylor how the innocent Serb farmers and elderly started shelling Croatian cities with JNA armaments and how Milosevic was working hard to destroy Yugoslav constitution, until he destroyed Yugoslavia or Serboslavia as popularly called. Canada be aware, Serbs may be the constituent nation of Canada too! Also where there is even one Serb, that is Serbia, isn't it Taylor?

    • scientific facts are there, milosevic haaha! he was a communist he would've never said he was a SERB he was a hardcore JUGOSLAV and was the reason why Serbs didn't destory the rebellion in Croatia in two weeks like they could've. Don't you get it Croatian army fought Serbian peasents that were protecting their land from the Nazi repeat that happened only 40 years earlier.

      What started the war? Everybody knows that YUGOSLAVIA was the only legal state and declaring independence without taking into account the constituent nation that Serbs had in the constitution of croatia was in FACT a ACT of war. Do you know who sent troops of JNA into Croatia it was ANTE MARKOVIC the president then and a CROAT.

      Milosevic was a communist and you cannot find ONE NOT ONE hateful speech from him in 13 years in politics but I can give you a million+ of nazi statements, hateful, murderous statements from the jihadists in sarajevo and the nazis in zagreb.

      And Serbia never fought for what wasn't theirs – they tried so many times for peace. Milosevic even put sanctions against Serbs in Bosnia!!!! that is a fact. Serbs were not going to let the nazis and jihadist do what they did FREELY without punishment like they did in WWI and WWII. NEVER AGAIN. you want to kill Serbs, Serbs will fight back – never again will you get a chance to kill Serbs without resistance remember that.

      And tell me why did croats fight muslims from 1992 – 1994 and why did albanians start a war in macedonia in 2001 if it was Serbs who started everything –

      Nazi's lose, jihadists lose, constant losing, loss after loss first balkan wars then WWI, then WWII and now today –

  35. Lol scientific facts? Here is one: I am not Croatian, lol, nice try though, but I can see why they had to destroy the "Krajina." There is simply no negotiating with you is there? You are keeping my hungover Friday at work rather entertaining "Taylor," for that I salute you. I don't know if I have ever spoken to such a putz for so long. Cheers!

  36. scientific facts are there, milosevic haaha! he was a communist he would've never said he was a SERB he was a hardcore JUGOSLAV and was the reason why Serbs didn't destory the rebellion in Croatia in two weeks like they could've. Don't you get it Croatian army fought Serbian peasents that were protecting their land from the Nazi repeat that happened only 40 years earlier.

    What started the war? Everybody knows that YUGOSLAVIA was the only legal state and declaring independence without taking into account the constituent nation that Serbs had in the constitution of croatia was in FACT a ACT of war. Do you know who sent troops of JNA into Croatia it was ANTE MARKOVIC the president then and a CROAT.

    Milosevic was a communist and you cannot find ONE NOT ONE hateful speech from him in 13 years in politics but I can give you a million+ of nazi statements, hateful, murderous statements from the jihadists in sarajevo and the nazis in zagreb.

    And Serbia never fought for what wasn't theirs – they tried so many times for peace. Milosevic even put sanctions against Serbs in Bosnia!!!! that is a fact. Serbs were not going to let the nazis and jihadist do what they did FREELY without punishment like they did in WWI and WWII. NEVER AGAIN. you want to kill Serbs, Serbs will fight back – never again will you get a chance to kill Serbs without resistance remember that.

    And tell me why did croats fight muslims from 1992 – 1994 and why did albanians start a war in macedonia in 2001 if it was Serbs who started everything –

    Nazi's lose, jihadists lose, constant losing, loss after loss first balkan wars then WWI, then WWII and now today –

  37. scientific facts are there, milosevic haaha! he was a communist he would've never said he was a SERB he was a hardcore JUGOSLAV and was the reason why Serbs didn't destory the rebellion in Croatia in two weeks like they could've. Don't you get it Croatian army fought Serbian peasents that were protecting their land from the Nazi repeat that happened only 40 years earlier.

    What started the war? Everybody knows that YUGOSLAVIA was the only legal state and declaring independence without taking into account the constituent nation that Serbs had in the constitution of croatia was in FACT a ACT of war. Do you know who sent troops of JNA into Croatia it was ANTE MARKOVIC the president then and a CROAT.

    Milosevic was a communist and you cannot find ONE NOT ONE hateful speech from him in 13 years in politics but I can give you a million+ of nazi statements, hateful, murderous statements from the jihadists in sarajevo and the nazis in zagreb.

    And Serbia never fought for what wasn't theirs – they tried so many times for peace. Milosevic even put sanctions against Serbs in Bosnia!!!! that is a fact. Serbs were not going to let the nazis and jihadist do what they did FREELY without punishment like they did in WWI and WWII. NEVER AGAIN. you want to kill Serbs, Serbs will fight back – never again will you get a chance to kill Serbs without resistance remember that.

    And tell me why did croats fight muslims from 1992 – 1994 and why did albanians start a war in macedonia in 2001 if it was Serbs who started everything –

    Nazi's lose, jihadists lose, constant losing, loss after loss first balkan wars then WWI, then WWII and now today –

  38. scientific facts are there, milosevic haaha! he was a communist he would've never said he was a SERB he was a hardcore JUGOSLAV and was the reason why Serbs didn't destory the rebellion in Croatia in two weeks like they could've. Don't you get it Croatian army fought Serbian peasents that were protecting their land from the Nazi repeat that happened only 40 years earlier.

    What started the war? Everybody knows that YUGOSLAVIA was the only legal state and declaring independence without taking into account the constituent nation that Serbs had in the constitution of croatia was in FACT a ACT of war. Do you know who sent troops of JNA into Croatia it was ANTE MARKOVIC the president then and a CROAT.

    Milosevic was a communist and you cannot find ONE NOT ONE hateful speech from him in 13 years in politics but I can give you a million+ of nazi statements, hateful, murderous statements from the jihadists in sarajevo and the nazis in zagreb.

    And Serbia never fought for what wasn't theirs – they tried so many times for peace. Milosevic even put sanctions against Serbs in Bosnia!!!! that is a fact. Serbs were not going to let the nazis and jihadist do what they did FREELY without punishment like they did in WWI and WWII. NEVER AGAIN. you want to kill Serbs, Serbs will fight back – never again will you get a chance to kill Serbs without resistance remember that.

    And tell me why did croats fight muslims from 1992 – 1994 and why did albanians start a war in macedonia in 2001 if it was Serbs who started everything –

    Nazi's lose, jihadists lose, constant losing, loss after loss first balkan wars then WWI, then WWII and now today –

    • Ante Markovic did not send the troops into Croatia. Milosevic never delivered a hateful speech, you must be kidding Taylor. But of course Serbs can not be wrong. Anyhow your Nazi and other name calling just shows the state of your mind, because to me you appear as a fully fledged Chetnik and they were Nazi collaborators big time. You are right that Serbs win, even in this last war, even though you lost the war, you won 51% of Bosnia and Herzegovina which should have never been Republika Srpska. It is another shame for international community to let that happen. Not to mention Srebrenica and siege and destruction of Sarajevo. No wonder that there are not many Serbs returning to Sarajevo. How could they after all what they have done? Go check what happened to Croats in Northern Bosnia – Bosansko posavlje, how many left never to return, go see the villages still stand witness to the atrocities that happened there. It is just sad that there are so many people in Serbia who exactly think like you and justify the crimes done in their name.

      • How many Serbs are left in Sarajevo? Come on facts don't just use the tired old false accusatory attacks it is so BORING and played out.

        I gave you facts, scientific DATA – I am waiting for you to FIND ME ONE speech that milosevic made that was hateful just one and I will never open my mouth again.

        And as for Markovic if you didn't know that then well you need to go watch MTV or something because you have no clue of even the most simplest facts of this war

        you didn't answer me why did muslims fight croats for 2 years and why did albanians fight macedonians.

        FACTS I NEED FACTS not constant nazi croat lies and deception – that time is over the world knows the truth you lost

    • Who believes that Milosevic never delivered a heateful speach, will also believe that Markovic sent JNA troops on Croatia. Well done Taylor, you win every war, even the last 90's war you have won because Serbs got 51% of Bosnia and Herzegovina which should have never been theirs. And at what cost for other nations? Serbenica, siege of Sarajevo, many, many other places, so many killed, refugees, IDPs, all in the name of Great Serbia. No wonder it is a bit difficult for Serbs to move back to Sarajevo after shelling it and raping it for 4 -5 years. Your name calling suprises me. The ideas you represent are Nazi, extremist views.

      • EVIDENCE! I am waiting for evidence on just ONE milosevic JUST ONE speech…patiently waiting

        • Check out Markovic bio to learn more about his powers over JNA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante_Markovi%C4%87

          Regarding Milosevic I do not want to waste my time looking and even worse reading through his speeches, but you can check out his speech on Usce and many of his speeches on the CK meetings, just to mention his early works. Later it only gets better. They were all threatening and boasting at the ideas of Great Serbia. He did not need to say too much, there were others more than ready to do the work on the ground.

          • you have no evidence and wikipedia hahaha that is your source omg please stop –

            and you will never find a milosevic speech because he was a JUGOSLAV NOT A SERB. WHo was the last president of YUGOSLAVIA MESIC – what was his book first titled how I destroyed yugoslavia,

            your lies cannot and will not be accepted by ANYONE ANYMORE

          • You know whats hilarious is when Gotovina walked right into bihac with his boys and shut the lights off in the whole town to let Mladic and Milosevic that he was there. Mladic and milosevic crapped there pants…hahahahahaha

          • yah the big bad croatian army that eats serbian children eyeballs and tortures handicaps wow so scarey killing the helpless- you big heroes

  39. thanks for your admission of guilt – we didn't need it but it is good to know that you admit the Croats evil and destruction in Krajina. Now it is time to for you to stop writing throw up a zieg heil put on your checkered soccer jersey and cry for gotovina.

    and negotiating? WHO NEGOTIATES with the truth? That is why you are the way you are because you actually would negotiate with the truth and those people my friend are called cowards.

  40. Your an absolute joke and should be ashamed of yourself for even replying to my comment.
    Were you there to see your childhood friend of 25 years be thrown into a meat grinder along with his wife and 6 year old son by Arkan and his gang? Were you there to see Chetniks come through and have 10 men rape an 8 year old Croatian girl so that she would give birth to a Serbian baby? Were you there to see a man being forced by Serbian scum to mutilate his own wife?
    I was there. I witnessed these attrocities first hand and for a coward like you, Taylor, (which to me sounds like you live in a trailor and have sex with your first cousin) to come on to a blog and spew your garbage is laughable and is a complete waste of my time to reply.

  41. These 2 men were wrongfully convicted. They are being treated as war criminals when in fact they are hero’s. Everything they did, they did for Croatia and their fellow croatians. I’m thankful and gracious for everything they did for my country. They will always and forever be hero’s!!!

    FREE ANTE GOTOVINA & MLADEN MARKAC

  42. These 2 men were wrongfully convicted. They are being treated as war criminals when in fact they are hero’s. Everything they did, they did for Croatia and their fellow croatians. I’m thankful and gracious for everything they did for my country. They will always and forever be hero’s!!!
    FREE ANTE GOTOVINA & MLADEN MARKAC

    • hahahaha you must have a tattoo of hitler – another one of your hero's

      • wow. you must be severely unintelligent. those applied classes definitely did not serve you well.

  43. yah yah sure sure croatian fairytales – do you need some more tissues your GREAT hero is the biggest coward, wait actually croatia as a nation is the most cowardice nation that has ever existed – during every war you guys fight with evil and need the austrians, hungarians, nazi's, then NATO and america to fight for you – haha cowards, go wipe your tears with a nazi checkered hankerchief and if it is a waste of your time then don't reply because you lost just like in WWI and WWII and you lost today –

  44. hahahaha you must have a tattoo of hitler – another one of your hero's

  45. Ante Markovic did not send the troops into Croatia. Milosevic never delivered a hateful speech, you must be kidding Taylor. But of course Serbs can not be wrong. Anyhow your Nazi and other name calling just shows the state of your mind, because to me you appear as a fully fledged Chetnik and they were Nazi collaborators big time. You are right that Serbs win, even in this last war, even though you lost the war, you won 51% of Bosnia and Herzegovina which should have never been Republika Srpska. It is another shame for international community to let that happen. Not to mention Srebrenica and siege and destruction of Sarajevo. No wonder that there are not many Serbs returning to Sarajevo. How could they after all what they have done? Go check what happened to Croats in Northern Bosnia – Bosansko posavlje, how many left never to return, go see the villages still stand witness to the atrocities that happened there. It is just sad that there are so many people in Serbia who exactly think like you and justify the crimes done in their name.

  46. Your an idiot.
    clearly have nothing better to do with your time because you are, very immaturely might I add, trying to be an instigator here on a blog. Posting and commenting on virtually everybodys post with some non-educated, childish and ridiculous remark.
    Get a life pal!

  47. How many Serbs are left in Sarajevo? Come on facts don't just use the tired old false accusatory attacks it is so BORING and played out.

    I gave you facts, scientific DATA – I am waiting for you to FIND ME ONE speech that milosevic made that was hateful just one and I will never open my mouth again.

    And as for Markovic if you didn't know that then well you need to go watch MTV or something because you have no clue of even the most simplest facts of this war

    you didn't answer me why did muslims fight croats for 2 years and why did albanians fight macedonians.

    FACTS I NEED FACTS not constant nazi croat lies and deception – that time is over the world knows the truth you lost

  48. TRUTH HURTS YOU NAZIS DOESNT IT

  49. I still have yet to see one person provide for any kind of intelligent response to my main initial point: If Canada had a quarter of its territory held by terrorists who shelled Canadian cities daily, and then refused two peace plans, would that entity not be destroyed in a timely fashion? You see according to international law (something Serbs seem to be backing fully these days), that territory belonged (and still does) to the Republich of Croatia, and not anybody else, hence military action was completely legallaly and morally justifiable. And moving forward, should the Serbs posting their banter on this webiste not be a little more concerned with the presence of radical Islam in the Balkans? Croats and Serbs fought this together, perhaps you should re-consider why this was so 500 years ago and re-think your geo-political "alliances"…

  50. Who believes that Milosevic never delivered a heateful speach, will also believe that Markovic sent JNA troops on Croatia. Well done Taylor, you win every war, even the last 90's war you have won because Serbs got 51% of Bosnia and Herzegovina which should have never been theirs. And at what cost for other nations? Serbenica, siege of Sarajevo, many, many other places, so many killed, refugees, IDPs, all in the name of Great Serbia. No wonder it is a bit difficult for Serbs to move back to Sarajevo after shelling it and raping it for 4 -5 years. Your name calling suprises me. The ideas you represent are Nazi, extremist views.

  51. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Checkered Hitler flag? You're a f*cking retard. The checkers came before Hitler you unintelligent sack of sh*t. But clearly you say this to make yourself sleep at night? Go do something with your life and stop trying using your ever-lowering number of brain cells to piss people off.

  52. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Checkered Hitler flag? You're a f*cking retard. The checkers came before Hitler you unintelligent sack of sh*t. But clearly you say this to make yourself sleep at night? Go do something with your life and stop trying using your ever-lowering number of brain cells to piss people off.

    • yah but were used during and for HITLER – and therefore anything before it means nothing the MINUTE it was used for NAZI EVIL it is forever a symbol of the DEVIL and EVIL –

      your flag is a nazi flag and everyone in the world knows it.

      • hahahahaha wow. You're stupidity and ignorance is actually pretty entertaining. So you're saying the swastika no longer has it's religious meaning as it did before Hitler?

      • Ralph, lot of really bad things were happening under different flags. To mention some for instance, Japanese flag, or English flag, which was the flag of colonialism that did so much evil things in different parts of the world. Also many slave ships were flagging it, isn't it? Are you proposing that these flags be banned as well? Besides, Croatian flag is quite different from the one which was used during German occupation.

        • japanese flag is outlawed, british flag well if we did that then muslims couldnt have the color green because of what the turks did for 500 years, but the croatian flag is so obviously the same as nazi flag minues the stripes –

          so yes should be outlawed as well as the Japanese flag

          • just a suggestion: quit while you're not ahead.

            I'm embarrassed for you.

          • embarrassed of the truth everybody knows croats are embarressed of the truth thanks for admitting it like wolfman did

          • I am going to quote M. Wolfman here, who seems to know his stuff. If one of my flags (the other being Canadian) is a "NAZI" (you really like that word lol) flag, why did Shimon Peres (The President of Israel) visit Croatia in early 2011 and specifically say "Croatia is our friend now"? Is it maybe because of the military cooperation between the two countries? The new relations? The joint toursim endeavours? Israeli investment in Croatia? Mutual fear of Radical Islam? Maybe? Do you really think the President of Israel would be so cool with a "nazi" state? There are your "scientific" facts, seljacino.
            Let me guess though, Croatia has fooled the world right? We hoodwinked Israel eh? LOL delusion at it's best. Oh well, I have plenty of Serbian friends who are normal good people, who themselves spit on the nationalist fools people like you are. Jebote cedo, dobio si ti tvoje.

  53. wow. you must be severely unintelligent. those applied classes definitely did not serve you well.

  54. yah but were used during and for HITLER – and therefore anything before it means nothing the MINUTE it was used for NAZI EVIL it is forever a symbol of the DEVIL and EVIL –

    your flag is a nazi flag and everyone in the world knows it.

  55. (1) by "filled with" you mean "polluted by"

    (2) Serbs have hearts? Could have fooled me.

  56. EVIDENCE! I am waiting for evidence on just ONE milosevic JUST ONE speech…patiently waiting

  57. Who believes that Milosevic never delivered a hateful speech, will also believe that Markovic sent JNA troops on Croatia. Did he have powers to send any troops anywhere? Think about your historical facts. Well done Taylor, you win every war, even the last 90's war you have won because Serbs got 51% of Bosnia and Herzegovina which should have never been theirs. And at what cost for other nations? Srebrenica, siege of Sarajevo, many, many other places, so many killed, refugees, IDPs, all in the name of Great Serbia. No wonder it is a bit difficult for Serbs to move back to Sarajevo after shelling it and raping it for 4 -5 years. Your name calling surprises me. The ideas you represent are Nazi, extremist views.

  58. Who believes that Milosevic never delivered a hateful speech, will also believe that Markovic sent JNA troops on Croatia. Did he have powers to send any troops anywhere? Think about your historical facts. Well done Taylor, you win every war, even the last 90's war you have won because Serbs got 51% of Bosnia and Herzegovina which should have never been theirs. And at what cost for other nations? Srebrenica, siege of Sarajevo, many, many other places, so many killed, refugees, IDPs, all in the name of Great Serbia. No wonder it is a bit difficult for Serbs to move back to Sarajevo after shelling it and raping it for 4 -5 years. Your name calling surprises me. The ideas you represent are Nazi, extremist views.

  59. Check out Markovic bio to learn more about his powers over JNA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante_Markovi%C4%87

    Regarding Milosevic I do not want to waste my time looking and even worse reading through his speeches, but you can check out his speech on Usce and many of his speeches on the CK meetings, just to mention his early works. Later it only gets better. They were all threatening and boasting at the ideas of Great Serbia. He did not need to say too much, there were others more than ready to do the work on the ground.

  60. hahahahaha wow. You're stupidity and ignorance is actually pretty entertaining. So you're saying the swastika no longer has it's religious meaning as it did before Hitler?

  61. where are the facts for these numbers? I "need scientific facts". You pulling numbers out of your ass isn't really doing much for me.

  62. Ralph, lot of really bad things were happening under different flags. To mention some for instance, Japanese flag, or English flag, which was the flag of colonialism that did so much evil things in different parts of the world. Also many slave ships were flagging it, isn't it? Are you proposing that these flags be banned as well? Besides, Croatian flag is quite different from the one which was used during German occupation.

  63. Typical radical Serbian number inflation. Here is what Efraim Zuroff, acclaimed Nazi-hunter says about the supposed "millions of Serbs dead": On the northern bank, the new museum presents precise statistics on 69,842 Serbs; Jews; Gypsies, or Roma; and anti-fascist Croatians murdered at Jasenovac. On the southern bank, an antiquated, minimalist wooden fence memorial commemorates the unlikely figure of 700,000 victims killed at the most notorious of the concentration camps created and run by the fascist Croatian Ustasha. That figure, it should be noted, was given official sanction by the Communist Yugoslav regime, which like Communist regimes elsewhere was not adverse to manipulating figures for propaganda reasons. http://www.operationlastchance.org/Writings_23.ht

  64. japanese flag is outlawed, british flag well if we did that then muslims couldnt have the color green because of what the turks did for 500 years, but the croatian flag is so obviously the same as nazi flag minues the stripes –

    so yes should be outlawed as well as the Japanese flag

  65. you have no evidence and wikipedia hahaha that is your source omg please stop –

    and you will never find a milosevic speech because he was a JUGOSLAV NOT A SERB. WHo was the last president of YUGOSLAVIA MESIC – what was his book first titled how I destroyed yugoslavia,

    your lies cannot and will not be accepted by ANYONE ANYMORE

  66. just a suggestion: quit while you're not ahead.

    I'm embarrassed for you.

  67. I am going to quote M. Wolfman here, who seems to know his stuff. If one of my flags (the other being Canadian) is a "NAZI" (you really like that word lol) flag, why did Shimon Peres (The President of Israel) visit Croatia in early 2011 and specifically say "Croatia is our friend now"? Is it maybe because of the military cooperation between the two countries? The new relations? The joint toursim endeavours? Israeli investment in Croatia? Mutual fear of Radical Islam? Maybe? Do you really think the President of Israel would be so cool with a "nazi" state? There are your "scientific" facts, seljacino.
    Let me guess though, Croatia has fooled the world right? We hoodwinked Israel eh? LOL delusion at it's best. Oh well, I have plenty of Serbian friends who are normal good people, who themselves spit on the nationalist fools people like you are. Jebote cedo, dobio si ti tvoje.

  68. embarrassed of the truth everybody knows croats are embarressed of the truth thanks for admitting it like wolfman did

  69. I am Croatian. I just want to let you know that the big problem with people with you is you only see one side of the story. Serbs were the aggressors, they came to Croatia killed, tortured and raped, all sorts of men, women, and children. Basically when stuff like that starts to happen the gloves come off and you have things like what Croatians did to defend themselves. At the time there was literally no point in letting a serb live because they would just get back up and kill and rap some more. Its so pretty or nice what was done but it had to be done.

    Thank God for Gotovina, he gave his life to protect Croatia.

  70. ****Its NOT pretty or nice what was done but it had to be done

  71. lol Im Croatian but Im no Nazi, and i have yet to met a Croatian Nazi over my 15 years of traveling there. But man i tell you I would love to bump into some like you in a dark ally and really show you how scared we really are.

  72. Hey didnt Milosevic release prisoners, give them guns and after send them to Croatia??? That guy did alot of nasty things. AND ANYONE WHO SAYS THERE A YUGOSLAV IS JUST A SERB WHO CANT WAKE UP TO REALITY.

  73. Hey didnt Milosevic release prisoners, give them guns and after send them to Croatia??? That guy did alot of nasty things. AND ANYONE WHO SAYS THERE A YUGOSLAV IS JUST A SERB WHO CANT WAKE UP TO REALITY.

  74. TITO your croatian was the biggest YUGOSLAV and communist – he was a croatian communist coward, communism came from the Croats to save them from total disaster after you CROATS LOST another world war –

    hey didn't Gotovina eat serbian babies eyeballs or was that Pavelic

  75. TITO your croatian was the biggest YUGOSLAV and communist – he was a croatian communist coward, communism came from the Croats to save them from total disaster after you CROATS LOST another world war –

    hey didn't Gotovina eat serbian babies eyeballs or was that Pavelic

  76. haahahhahaha yah yah sure, do you think that people are going to keep believing your lies and deceit??? that time is done everyone knows croatias LUST for Hitler and that they are nazi's –

    stop with your lies you sound like you need to go to see a dr

  77. yah so brave that you needed austria, hungary, germany, bulgaria, italy, NATO, US

    wow you guys are so brave

  78. Taylor is upset because Serbs lost the war……Remember this, yugoslav army was the 3 strongest army in europe before the war started. You still couldn't get the job done and you said that you could have Knin (krajina). Are you on crack. Stop pulling at straws you prase. Hey and by the way everybody in the world knows your a nation of baby rappers and murders.

    Hvala Ante za sve…Mi smo za te i uvijek cemo biti. Bog i Hrvati svima.

  79. Taylor is upset because Serbs lost the war……Remember this, yugoslav army was the 3 strongest army in europe before the war started. You still couldn't get the job done and you said that you could have Knin (krajina). Are you on crack. Stop pulling at straws you prase. Hey and by the way everybody in the world knows your a nation of baby rappers and murders.

    Hvala Ante za sve…Mi smo za te i uvijek cemo biti. Bog i Hrvati svima.

    • hahaha what did they lose? Serbs didn't even fight, you wouldn't last a week if Serbia fought.

      HAVE YOU HEARD of REPUBLIKA SRPSKA??? Yah it exists – that my nazi croatian friend is called – winning.

    • and ps. having NATO and America on your side and Serbs still kickd croatia to hungary until there was supposed to be a peace treaty in August 1995 and as evil as you are you launched an attack agianst farmers!

      WHAT a great victory! push out farmers and call it a victory day – so funny you cant celebrate WWII's real victory you cant celebrate the victory over the slavery of Islam and the Turks, you can't celebrate WWI's victory for freedom and humanity, so you guys celebrate cleansing 350,000 poor farmers and old people – great job guys really great job.

      You lost – your sin is all over your hands, your country is covered in blood and that my croatian nazi friend is called losing

  80. I love how the UN can imprison a war hero on hearsay. Why do they even bother with this clown court when the verdict is pre-determined? What is this the WWE?

  81. I love how the UN can imprison a war hero on hearsay. Why do they even bother with this clown court when the verdict is pre-determined? What is this the WWE?

  82. You know whats hilarious is when Gotovina walked right into bihac with his boys and shut the lights off in the whole town to let Mladic and Milosevic that he was there. Mladic and milosevic crapped there pants…hahahahahaha

    • Hilarious!

    • how desparate hahaha

  83. @ mike. it seems that whenever someone replies to you (you nazi) or says something of substance, you (and your nazi ways) resort to calling them nazis. this is probably because there is NOTHING behind what you're nazi mouth is saying.

  84. @ mike. it seems that whenever someone replies to you (you nazi) or says something of substance, you (and your nazi ways) resort to calling them nazis. this is probably because there is NOTHING behind what you're nazi mouth is saying.

    • anyone who can defend croatia or gotovina is a nazi, anyone who wears checkers are the decendents of nazis – how does it feel that Gotovina got 24 years?

      • hahahaha. you're beyond special i love it. your short bus driver must be entertained by you daily. going by your logic that would also mean that anyone who defends serbia is a nazi because of the past?

  85. Hilarious!

  86. you are a joke…..lol cigan!

  87. ahahahahahahahahahahaha taylor you are a funny guy, ever considered a career as a comedian?

  88. ahahahahahahahahahahaha taylor you are a funny guy, ever considered a career as a comedian?

    • whats so funny, i dont see anything funny about a croatian guard in WWII having a contest with his catholic buddy about how many serbian womens and childrens throats they could cut in one night, 1368 Serbs in one night killed by a nazi croat is that funny to you. you may need some medicine but then again medicine cannot save the croatian soul, it is the croatian soul that is sick

  89. Sorry to say but if you think Serbia has no NAZI ties get a load of these:
    http://mirror.veus.hr/myth/wwtwo.html

    1941 serbian stamps. There are also more which I cannot find declaring Belgrad the cleanest city in Europe as a result of it's absence of Jews.
    It's really sad how yesterdays heroes become todays criminals so quickly.

  90. Sorry to say but if you think Serbia has no NAZI ties get a load of these:
    http://mirror.veus.hr/myth/wwtwo.html

    1941 serbian stamps. There are also more which I cannot find declaring Belgrad the cleanest city in Europe as a result of it's absence of Jews.
    It's really sad how yesterdays heroes become todays criminals so quickly.

  91. how desparate hahaha

  92. please please please, in WWI the germans tried to erase Serbs from existence, Serbs lost 2 million people in world war two, yah the nazi croats and germans loved Serbs so much that they killed 2 million of their people.

    You and your TITO propoganda – the only thing that the Croats gave the world was Ante Pavelic and Tito – you should be so proud

  93. please please please, in WWI the germans tried to erase Serbs from existence, Serbs lost 2 million people in world war two, yah the nazi croats and germans loved Serbs so much that they killed 2 million of their people.

    You and your TITO propoganda – the only thing that the Croats gave the world was Ante Pavelic and Tito – you should be so proud

    • Mihailovic ring any bells? in case it doesn't here are some of the instructions he gave to his army:
      – The cleansing of all national minorities and anti-state elements from state territory
      – The creation of direct common borders between Serbia and Montenegro, as well as Serbia and Slovenia by cleansing the Muslim population from Sandžak, and the Muslim and Croat populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina

      • first there is no such thing as sandzak it is called raska .

        next your communist lies are done finished you will never have the chance to deceive anyone ever again remember that

        Draza was given the highest award by the US government to a foreigner – the HIGHEST – it doesnt matter what lies you come up with the world knows the first organized resistance in europe was draza and the royal serbian cetniks

        you cant stand it – it eats at your soul that your croatian cowards were nazi boot lickers and Serbs won another world war and you lost

        STOP your croatian fantasy lies you and all you croat nazi's need medication

        how does it feel that your BIG HERO got 24 years and your whole country was founded on a CRIMINALS

        you lost

  94. hahaha what did they lose? Serbs didn't even fight, you wouldn't last a week if Serbia fought.

    HAVE YOU HEARD of REPUBLIKA SRPSKA??? Yah it exists – that my nazi croatian friend is called – winning.

  95. and ps. having NATO and America on your side and Serbs still kickd croatia to hungary until there was supposed to be a peace treaty in August 1995 and as evil as you are you launched an attack agianst farmers!

    WHAT a great victory! push out farmers and call it a victory day – so funny you cant celebrate WWII's real victory you cant celebrate the victory over the slavery of Islam and the Turks, you can't celebrate WWI's victory for freedom and humanity, so you guys celebrate cleansing 350,000 poor farmers and old people – great job guys really great job.

    You lost – your sin is all over your hands, your country is covered in blood and that my croatian nazi friend is called losing

  96. yah the big bad croatian army that eats serbian children eyeballs and tortures handicaps wow so scarey killing the helpless- you big heroes

  97. anyone who can defend croatia or gotovina is a nazi, anyone who wears checkers are the decendents of nazis – how does it feel that Gotovina got 24 years?

  98. whats so funny, i dont see anything funny about a croatian guard in WWII having a contest with his catholic buddy about how many serbian womens and childrens throats they could cut in one night, 1368 Serbs in one night killed by a nazi croat is that funny to you. you may need some medicine but then again medicine cannot save the croatian soul, it is the croatian soul that is sick

  99. @Taylor, for the sake of saving you some embarrassment, it's not a scientific fact ( science is an imperfect process of knowledge, since no scientific study was conducted), you may use fact, but you seem to argue wrongfully. I do not wish to argue but to simply point out a flaw in your argument/choice of words.
    Cheers to my fellow croats and your heroes

  100. @Taylor, for the sake of saving you some embarrassment, it's not a scientific fact ( science is an imperfect process of knowledge, since no scientific study was conducted), you may use fact, but you seem to argue wrongfully. I do not wish to argue but to simply point out a flaw in your argument/choice of words.
    Cheers to my fellow croats and your heroes

  101. Context: This extermination of Serbs from Croatia is just a continuation of the ethnic cleansing started in Jasenovac in 1941. That is why were Serbs terrified of NDH (Independent State of Croatia) and wanted to stay in Yugoslavia. Bringing the percentage of Serbs who were living on that territory for centuries from solid double digits to low single digits in 1991-1995 is a genocide. The Serbs who were not able to escape on time, mostly elderly and disabled (terrorists?), were killed in their homes and their homes were later populated by Croats. That is the victory you are proud of.

    You can not compare Israel with this. Israel was never exterminating people en masse as Croats did twice in the twentieth century.

  102. FACT – 1,000,000 Serbian refugees,

    FACT – Croatia's state policy was 1/3 serbs killed, 1/3 serbs deported, 1/3 converted to catholicism

    FACT – it happened in 1995

    FACT – muslim sarajevo 250,000 Serbs cleansed

    FACT – Christian Serbs 400,000 cleansed by muslims in Kosovo

    FACT – Serbs were a constituent nation in the land drawn up by COMMUNIST CROAT TITO

    FACT – GOTOVINA and Croatia convicted of JOINT CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, you can cry some for your hero

    FACT – we are going to sue every croat, european state and anyone involved in this joint criminal enterprise until every last Serbian house, hamlet, goat and oxen is returned and then we are going to sue for damages.

    FACT – Stipe Mesic was last president of Yugoslavia and wrote book "HOW I DESTROYED YUGOSLAVIA"

    FACT – i got at least 5 million more facts but you gave up on arguing because you cant argue with the TRUTH – you lost FACT

    and below is your evil and croatia's evil – enjoy

  103. On 7 July 1991, under the auspices of the European Community, the leaders of Slovenia and Croatia agreed (in the so-called "Brioni Declaration") to suspend their declarations of independence for three months to allow negotiations toward a peaceful solution. However, during this supposed cooling-off period a major unilateral step was taken in the most decisive of all wars in Yugoslavia: the public relations war. On 12 August 1991, the Croatian government hired the American public relations firm Ruder Finn Global Public Affairs to "develop and carry out strategies and tactics for communication with members of the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate as well as with officials of the U.S. government including the State Department, the National Security Council and other relevant agencies and departments of the U.S. government as well as with American and international news media". On 12 November 1991, Ruder Finn's contract was renewed to include lobbying in relation to diplomatic recognition, sanctions, and embargoes, as well as briefings for officials of the first Bush administration and preparation of special background material, press releases, both reactive and proactive articles and letters to the editors to appear in major newspapers, briefings for journalists, columnists, and commentators. In January and February 1992, Ruder Finn organized trips to Croatia for U.S. Congressmen. The United States recognized Croatia as an independent state on 7 April 1992.

    Many people's first impressions of the conflict were influenced by the deluge of press releases sent to Congressmen and media. Video clips with frightful images of death and destruction were distributed worldwide with commentaries designed to support the idea that the fighting taking place in Croatia was part of a deliberate plan to create "Greater Serbia" by the conquering Croatia.

    On 23 June 1992, Izetbegovic's government in Sarajevo in turn signed a contract with Ruder Finn in order to promote a stronger leadership role for the United States in the Balkans. To this end, the agency undertook an impressive array of actions, notably setting up a "Bosnia Crisis Communication Center" in contact with American, British, and French media; media appearance coaching for Bosnian foreign minister Haris Silajdzic; sending press releases to U.S. Congressmen and "Fax Updates" on developments in Bosnia-Herzegovina to over 300 addresses, including the most important world media and parliamentarians; writing 17 letters to be signed by Izetbegovic and Silajdzic and addressed to top world representatives at international conferences; organizing personal contacts between Silajdzic and Al Gore, Margaret Thatcher, and other influential personalities, including 17 U.S. Senators; placing articles on in the editorial pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post, USA Today, the Wall Street Journal, and so on.

    Siladjdzic revealed the effects of his Ruder Finn training in subsequent conversation with the French writer Bernard-Henry Lévy, who had undertaken volunteer public relations for Izetbegovic in Paris. Silajdzic boasted naively of being a "star" in the United States, and claimed that he was able to change millions of votes by merely appearing on television. Silajdzic startled Lévy by reproaching him for failing to exploit sufficiently the "propaganda" theme of "genocide". This showed his "American side", commented Lévy.

    Eighteen months after taking the Croatian contract, Ruder Finn was able to boast to having "developed a reputation as the international public relations agency with the greatest experience and involvement with the crisis in the Balkans. Our work has helped put Ruder Finn on the map in Washington, DC, and internationally." The agency claimed to have gained "dozens of close contacts in Congress and among the news media".

    In October 1992, Ruder Finn took up the job of public relations for the ethnic Albanian separatists in the Serbian province of Kosovo.

    In March 1993, as hostilities sharpened between Croatia and Muslim forces disputing territory in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Croatian government turned to another American agency, Waterman and Associates, to stave off eventual Muslim accusations that Croatia shared equal responsibility with Serbia. The campaigns on behalf of Tudjman's Croatia enjoyed financial and political support from Croatian é­migré organizations in the United States and Canada.

  104. In April 1993, French television journalist Jacques Merlino visited the Washington headquarters of Ruder Finn Global Public Affairs to interview the man in charge of the Balkan contracts, James Harff. Merlino asked Harff what he considered his proudest achievement in this operation. The answer: "Having succeeded in putting Jewish opinion on our side." The image of both Croats and Bosnian Muslims risked being tarnished by their involvement in the persecution of Jews during World War II. "Our challenge was to turn that around", Harff told Merlino, and this had been done thanks to the "camps" story.

    In the first days of August 1992, the Long Island newspaper Newsday published reports from its Bonn correspondent Roy Gutman, based on interviews in Zagreb, telling of horrendous conditions in Serb-run internment camps in Bosnia. Seeing the potential impact of comparison with Nazi "death camps", Ruder Finn immediately contacted three major Jewish organizations, the B'nai B'rith Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee, and the American Jewish Congress, suggesting they publicly protest. They did. This launched the demonization of Serbs as the new Nazis. In 1993, Ruder Finn was awarded the Silver Medal of the Public Relations Society of America in the category "crisis communication".

  105. FACT – 1,000,000 Serbian refugees,

    FACT – Croatia's state policy was 1/3 serbs killed, 1/3 serbs deported, 1/3 converted to catholicism

    FACT – it happened in 1995

    FACT – muslim sarajevo 250,000 Serbs cleansed

    FACT – Christian Serbs 400,000 cleansed by muslims in Kosovo

    FACT – Serbs were a constituent nation in the land drawn up by COMMUNIST CROAT TITO

    FACT – GOTOVINA and Croatia convicted of JOINT CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, you can cry some for your hero

    FACT – we are going to sue every croat, european state and anyone involved in this joint criminal enterprise until every last Serbian house, hamlet, goat and oxen is returned and then we are going to sue for damages.

    FACT – Stipe Mesic was last president of Yugoslavia and wrote book "HOW I DESTROYED YUGOSLAVIA"

    FACT – i got at least 5 million more facts but you gave up on arguing because you cant argue with the TRUTH – you lost FACT

    and below is your evil and croatia's evil – enjoy

  106. In April 1993, French television journalist Jacques Merlino visited the Washington headquarters of Ruder Finn Global Public Affairs to interview the man in charge of the Balkan contracts, James Harff. Merlino asked Harff what he considered his proudest achievement in this operation. The answer: "Having succeeded in putting Jewish opinion on our side." The image of both Croats and Bosnian Muslims risked being tarnished by their involvement in the persecution of Jews during World War II. "Our challenge was to turn that around", Harff told Merlino, and this had been done thanks to the "camps" story.

    In the first days of August 1992, the Long Island newspaper Newsday published reports from its Bonn correspondent Roy Gutman, based on interviews in Zagreb, telling of horrendous conditions in Serb-run internment camps in Bosnia. Seeing the potential impact of comparison with Nazi "death camps", Ruder Finn immediately contacted three major Jewish organizations, the B'nai B'rith Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee, and the American Jewish Congress, suggesting they publicly protest. They did. This launched the demonization of Serbs as the new Nazis. In 1993, Ruder Finn was awarded the Silver Medal of the Public Relations Society of America in the category "crisis communication".

  107. The Hidden Side of Slovenian “War for Independence”: Lies, Deceptions and War Crimes

    The first investigation of the violations of the international law during the first armed conflict in former Yugoslavia, in June 1991 in Slovenia, resulted in a “shocking discovery”, according to the Slovenian Žurnal 24. The uncovered hidden side of these events debunks the widely accepted official version, according to which the Yugoslav National Army (JNA), equated with Serbia, “attacked Slovenia” following its unilateral declaration of independence from the Yugoslav federation. Quite the opposite is true, said Slovenian researcher Marko Prešeren: it was Slovenian paramilitary forces (inconspicuously named “Territorial defense”, TO) who have attacked Yugoslav Army stationed in Slovenia, in violation of the international law and Geneva Conventions.

    Despite the unambiguous message delivered by the US secretary of state James Baker on 21 June 1991 that the US and OSCE do not support dissolution of Yugoslavia, Slovenia and Croatia declared themselves “sovereign and independent states” on 25 June 1991, only four days after American official's urgent visit to Serbian [Milošević], Croat [Tudjman] and Slovenian [Kučan] leaders, amid the Slovenian and Croat calls for unilateral secession.

    In the evening after the proclamation, the Yugoslav Federal Council approved Federal Prime Minister Ante Marković's (an ethnic Croat) directive that the JNA intervene in order to protect Yugoslavia's international borders which now fell under direct Slovenian control, with Slovenia illegally taking over the goods in transit and Yugoslav state's customs revenues.

    On the morning of 27 June president of Slovenian republic Milan Kučan went on Slovenian Television, to state that “the Republic of Slovenia will take all necessary measures to defend our independence against the Yugoslav Army.” The next day, Slovenian paramilitaries killed three Yugoslav Army conscripts in cold blood, while seizing Yugoslav border crossing with Austria at the town of Holmec.

  108. The Hidden Side of Slovenian “War for Independence”: Lies, Deceptions and War Crimes

    The first investigation of the violations of the international law during the first armed conflict in former Yugoslavia, in June 1991 in Slovenia, resulted in a “shocking discovery”, according to the Slovenian Žurnal 24. The uncovered hidden side of these events debunks the widely accepted official version, according to which the Yugoslav National Army (JNA), equated with Serbia, “attacked Slovenia” following its unilateral declaration of independence from the Yugoslav federation. Quite the opposite is true, said Slovenian researcher Marko Prešeren: it was Slovenian paramilitary forces (inconspicuously named “Territorial defense”, TO) who have attacked Yugoslav Army stationed in Slovenia, in violation of the international law and Geneva Conventions.

    Despite the unambiguous message delivered by the US secretary of state James Baker on 21 June 1991 that the US and OSCE do not support dissolution of Yugoslavia, Slovenia and Croatia declared themselves “sovereign and independent states” on 25 June 1991, only four days after American official%E2%80%99s urgent visit to Serbian [Milošević], Croat [Tudjman] and Slovenian [Kučan] leaders, amid the Slovenian and Croat calls for unilateral secession.

    In the evening after the proclamation, the Yugoslav Federal Council approved Federal Prime Minister Ante Marković%E2%80%99s (an ethnic Croat) directive that the JNA intervene in order to protect Yugoslavia%E2%80%99s international borders which now fell under direct Slovenian control, with Slovenia illegally taking over the goods in transit and Yugoslav state%E2%80%99s customs revenues.

    On the morning of 27 June president of Slovenian republic Milan Kučan went on Slovenian Television, to state that “the Republic of Slovenia will take all necessary measures to defend our independence against the Yugoslav Army.” The next day, Slovenian paramilitaries killed three Yugoslav Army conscripts in cold blood, while seizing Yugoslav border crossing with Austria at the town of Holmec.

  109. The Hidden Side of Slovenian “War for Independence”: Lies, Deceptions and War Crimes

    The first investigation of the violations of the international law during the first armed conflict in former Yugoslavia, in June 1991 in Slovenia, resulted in a “shocking discovery”, according to the Slovenian Žurnal 24. The uncovered hidden side of these events debunks the widely accepted official version, according to which the Yugoslav National Army (JNA), equated with Serbia, “attacked Slovenia” following its unilateral declaration of independence from the Yugoslav federation. Quite the opposite is true, said Slovenian researcher Marko Prešeren: it was Slovenian paramilitary forces (inconspicuously named “Territorial defense”, TO) who have attacked Yugoslav Army stationed in Slovenia, in violation of the international law and Geneva Conventions.

    Despite the unambiguous message delivered by the US secretary of state James Baker on 21 June 1991 that the US and OSCE do not support dissolution of Yugoslavia, Slovenia and Croatia declared themselves “sovereign and independent states” on 25 June 1991, only four days after American official's urgent visit to Serbian [Milošević], Croat [Tudjman] and Slovenian [Kučan] leaders, amid the Slovenian and Croat calls for unilateral secession.

    In the evening after the proclamation, the Yugoslav Federal Council approved Federal Prime Minister Ante Marković's (an ethnic Croat) directive that the JNA intervene in order to protect Yugoslavia's international borders which now fell under direct Slovenian control, with Slovenia illegally taking over the goods in transit and Yugoslav state's customs revenues.

    On the morning of 27 June president of Slovenian republic Milan Kučan went on Slovenian Television, to state that “the Republic of Slovenia will take all necessary measures to defend our independence against the Yugoslav Army.” The next day, Slovenian paramilitaries killed three Yugoslav Army conscripts in cold blood, while seizing Yugoslav border crossing with Austria at the town of Holmec.

  110. Slovenian Propaganda Used as a Script in Later Conflicts

    The ensuing conflict was later termed a “Ten Day War” or, as Slovenians proudly assert, their “war for independence” and a moment of glory, when Slovenian paramilitary troops “defeated the mighty Yugoslav Army”.

    In his book titled “The Modern Yugoslav Conflict 1991-1995: Perception, deception and dishonesty,” Brendan O'Shea described the heavy propaganda and media manipulations Slovenians used to present themselves as “victims of the Serb aggression” — a recipe later faithfully followed and methodically repeated by the Croats and Bosnian Muslims.

    “[…] The Slovenes also scored a major victory in the propaganda war and quickly had the international media reporting Serb atrocities when nothing of the sort was taking place. This was achieved by skillful media manipulation, and the hundreds of journalists who descended on Ljubljana were made most welcome. Thereafter they were corralled into a bunker beneath the Ministry of Information (allegedly for their own safety) and fed a steady diet of events taking place above ground — from the Slovene perspective.

    “The Serbs were portrayed as violent communists who dropped cluster bombs on innocent civilians, the struggle being thus portrayed as one between Good (in the guise of Slovenes and Croats) and Evil (personified by the Serbs). In this way a fictional blow-by-blow account of the ten-day war was fed to the media by a team of young multilingual patriotic volunteers (mostly university students aged between 20 and 30) and, unable (and/or unwilling) to venture over-ground to confirm these stories, when editorial deadlines arrived the official Slovene version of events was broadcast as fact. Equally, when selected journalists (i.e. those disposed to the Slovene struggle) were allowed to venture up into the streets much of what they witnessed was stage-managed and choreographed. Not for the first time in the Balkans truth had become the first casualty of war — as it would not be the last occasion either.

    “[…] In fact, Slovene propaganda was so successful that Hans Dietrich Genscher, the German foreign minister, was invited to Ljubljana at the start of the war and fed a steady diet of Slovene perspective. When he then went before a press conference he accused the JNA of ‘running amok' in Slovenia. This accusation was totally untrue, but it served its purpose, as indeed did calls from Senator Bob Dole in Washington demanding that Milosevic halt his supposedly violent crackdown on democracy and human rights.”

  111. Coldblooded Murder of Yugoslav Army Conscripts and the Other Unpunished War Crimes

    The less known facts Slovenians generally don't like to be reminded of throw completely different light on these events, tarnishing the accepted falsified version, enshrined in Slovenian and Western history books (and, of course, on Wikipedia, a global instant “history,” forged to further brainwashing of the masses).

    Austrian ORF TV crew captured the murder of Yugoslav Army conscripts by the Slovenian troops at Holmec on June 28 1991, filming from the other, Austrian side of the border

    Such is often conveniently disregarded fact that JNA garrisons in Slovenia consisted mostly of unarmed conscripts from all parts of former Yugoslavia, surrounded by the enemies and trapped in the army barracks of their own state, part of which was literally overnight turned into a “foreign soil”. Slovenian paramilitaries, armed with fresh caches of the most advanced German weapons, launched a war against the young conscripts, majority of whom were less than 19-years old, killing at least 44 and severely wounding another 185 of them in a little over a week.

    Furthermore, investigation by the Helsinki Committee and testimonies of the JNA survivors have shown that the actual number of Yugoslav troops killed in Slovenia during the “ten-day war” is higher by at least 30-40 percent, as testified by the President of Slovenian Helsinki Committee for human rights Neva Miklavčič-Predan.

    In addition, Slovenian leadership, police and paramilitary troops committed a number of grievous war crimes no one was ever charged with.

    Among them is a coldblooded murder of three JNA conscripts by the Slovenian paramilitaries, on 28 June 1991, near the border crossing with Austria, in the small town of Holmec. According to the 1998 report by the Slovenian biggest circulation daily Slovenske Novice, the JNA conscripts surrendered, stepping before the Slovenian paramilitaries with their hands up in the air, waving the white sheet, only to be gunned down on the spot. The whole event was recorded from the other side of the border by the Austrian ORF TV crew, but Slovenia's state prosecutor continued to insist there is “no suspicion of crimes having been committed at Holmec”.

    Ms. Predan revealed that JNA members executed by the Slovenians at Holmec border crossing were identified as Yugoslav Army conscripts Zoran Ješić, Goran Maletić and Antonio Šimunović. According to their death certificates issued by Slovenia, they were sprayed with bullets on the same day, at the same time and in the same place, but Slovenian officials refuse to accept responsibility for their murder to this day.

  112. Yugoslav Army Acted in a Civilized Manner, in Full Compliance with the International Law and Geneva Conventions

    Now a more thorough investigation of the Slovenian “Ten-day War” reveals the entire conflict was instigated by the Slovenians, who were portrayed in the West as “victims of Serbian aggression” and “Milošević's Greater Serbia designs”. In addition, the latest research unmasks the judicial processes Slovenian prosecution conducted against the alleged “JNA aggressors” as politically motivated trials with no legal basis, staged for the purpose of cementing the forged instant history and to absolve Slovenian political and military leadership of all responsibility for starting the war and committing war crimes.

    Marko Prešeren, who was given permission by Slovenian state prosecutor Barbara Brezigar to examine the cases against 104 Yugoslav Army members for their participation in the ten-day conflict — in spite of the obstruction by the lower instances of the Slovenian prosecution which prevented him from investigating all the cases — found that it wasn't the Yugoslav Army, or Serbia which started the armed clashes in Slovenia, but that Slovenian “Territorial Defense attacked Yugoslav Army, the fact which was also confirmed by the American intelligence agency CIA.”

    Slovenian paramilitaries painting a national emblem on the side of their tank. June 1991, Slovenia, Yugoslavia

    “Data confirms that JNA members acted in compliance with Geneva Conventions so, to begin with, Slovenia had no right to prosecute them,” Prešeren said, adding that this discovery makes four acquittals of previously sentenced JNA officers entirely appropriate.

    On the other hand, the greatest majority of the 104 trials against JNA members were “in violation of Geneva Conventions, since JNA troops acted in accordance with the international law and Geneva Conventions”.

    “Each and every order issued by the Yugoslav Army contained strict command that civilians must not be targeted and that the Army must observe the international law. As much as that may sound strange here [in Slovenia], the truth of the matter is that Yugoslav Army acted in a civilized manner, as one would expect Western armies to behave,” Prešeren told Belgrade daily Politika.

    Based on Slovenian documentation he had access to, Prešeren found that the book by Yugoslav Army titled “The Truth about the Armed Conflict in Slovenia”, which has been denounced in Slovenia as “Serbian propaganda”, gives the “entirely accurate account, with only one deficiency, of not giving the exact dates and places for every event described”. Nevertheless, this is “a rare military document where everything is accurate and correct in regards to the international norms and laws, with the primary documentary evidence superbly processed,” according to Prešeren.

  113. Slovenian Propaganda Used as a Script in Later Conflicts

    The ensuing conflict was later termed a “Ten Day War” or, as Slovenians proudly assert, their “war for independence” and a moment of glory, when Slovenian paramilitary troops “defeated the mighty Yugoslav Army”.

    In his book titled “The Modern Yugoslav Conflict 1991-1995: Perception, deception and dishonesty,” Brendan O%E2%80%99Shea described the heavy propaganda and media manipulations Slovenians used to present themselves as “victims of the Serb aggression” — a recipe later faithfully followed and methodically repeated by the Croats and Bosnian Muslims.

    “[…] The Slovenes also scored a major victory in the propaganda war and quickly had the international media reporting Serb atrocities when nothing of the sort was taking place. This was achieved by skillful media manipulation, and the hundreds of journalists who descended on Ljubljana were made most welcome. Thereafter they were corralled into a bunker beneath the Ministry of Information (allegedly for their own safety) and fed a steady diet of events taking place above ground — from the Slovene perspective.

    “The Serbs were portrayed as violent communists who dropped cluster bombs on innocent civilians, the struggle being thus portrayed as one between Good (in the guise of Slovenes and Croats) and Evil (personified by the Serbs). In this way a fictional blow-by-blow account of the ten-day war was fed to the media by a team of young multilingual patriotic volunteers (mostly university students aged between 20 and 30) and, unable (and/or unwilling) to venture over-ground to confirm these stories, when editorial deadlines arrived the official Slovene version of events was broadcast as fact. Equally, when selected journalists (i.e. those disposed to the Slovene struggle) were allowed to venture up into the streets much of what they witnessed was stage-managed and choreographed. Not for the first time in the Balkans truth had become the first casualty of war — as it would not be the last occasion either.

    “[…] In fact, Slovene propaganda was so successful that Hans Dietrich Genscher, the German foreign minister, was invited to Ljubljana at the start of the war and fed a steady diet of Slovene perspective. When he then went before a press conference he accused the JNA of ‘running amok%E2%80%99 in Slovenia. This accusation was totally untrue, but it served its purpose, as indeed did calls from Senator Bob Dole in Washington demanding that Milosevic halt his supposedly violent crackdown on democracy and human rights.”

  114. Coldblooded Murder of Yugoslav Army Conscripts and the Other Unpunished War Crimes

    The less known facts Slovenians generally don%E2%80%99t like to be reminded of throw completely different light on these events, tarnishing the accepted falsified version, enshrined in Slovenian and Western history books (and, of course, on Wikipedia, a global instant “history,” forged to further brainwashing of the masses).

    Austrian ORF TV crew captured the murder of Yugoslav Army conscripts by the Slovenian troops at Holmec on June 28 1991, filming from the other, Austrian side of the border

    Such is often conveniently disregarded fact that JNA garrisons in Slovenia consisted mostly of unarmed conscripts from all parts of former Yugoslavia, surrounded by the enemies and trapped in the army barracks of their own state, part of which was literally overnight turned into a “foreign soil”. Slovenian paramilitaries, armed with fresh caches of the most advanced German weapons, launched a war against the young conscripts, majority of whom were less than 19-years old, killing at least 44 and severely wounding another 185 of them in a little over a week.

    Furthermore, investigation by the Helsinki Committee and testimonies of the JNA survivors have shown that the actual number of Yugoslav troops killed in Slovenia during the “ten-day war” is higher by at least 30-40 percent, as testified by the President of Slovenian Helsinki Committee for human rights Neva Miklavčič-Predan.

    In addition, Slovenian leadership, police and paramilitary troops committed a number of grievous war crimes no one was ever charged with.

    Among them is a coldblooded murder of three JNA conscripts by the Slovenian paramilitaries, on 28 June 1991, near the border crossing with Austria, in the small town of Holmec. According to the 1998 report by the Slovenian biggest circulation daily Slovenske Novice, the JNA conscripts surrendered, stepping before the Slovenian paramilitaries with their hands up in the air, waving the white sheet, only to be gunned down on the spot. The whole event was recorded from the other side of the border by the Austrian ORF TV crew, but Slovenia%E2%80%99s state prosecutor continued to insist there is “no suspicion of crimes having been committed at Holmec”.

    Ms. Predan revealed that JNA members executed by the Slovenians at Holmec border crossing were identified as Yugoslav Army conscripts Zoran Ješić, Goran Maletić and Antonio Šimunović. According to their death certificates issued by Slovenia, they were sprayed with bullets on the same day, at the same time and in the same place, but Slovenian officials refuse to accept responsibility for their murder to this day.

  115. Yugoslav Army Acted in a Civilized Manner, in Full Compliance with the International Law and Geneva Conventions

    Now a more thorough investigation of the Slovenian “Ten-day War” reveals the entire conflict was instigated by the Slovenians, who were portrayed in the West as “victims of Serbian aggression” and “Milošević%E2%80%99s Greater Serbia designs”. In addition, the latest research unmasks the judicial processes Slovenian prosecution conducted against the alleged “JNA aggressors” as politically motivated trials with no legal basis, staged for the purpose of cementing the forged instant history and to absolve Slovenian political and military leadership of all responsibility for starting the war and committing war crimes.

    Marko Prešeren, who was given permission by Slovenian state prosecutor Barbara Brezigar to examine the cases against 104 Yugoslav Army members for their participation in the ten-day conflict — in spite of the obstruction by the lower instances of the Slovenian prosecution which prevented him from investigating all the cases — found that it wasn%E2%80%99t the Yugoslav Army, or Serbia which started the armed clashes in Slovenia, but that Slovenian “Territorial Defense attacked Yugoslav Army, the fact which was also confirmed by the American intelligence agency CIA.”

    Slovenian paramilitaries painting a national emblem on the side of their tank. June 1991, Slovenia, Yugoslavia

    “Data confirms that JNA members acted in compliance with Geneva Conventions so, to begin with, Slovenia had no right to prosecute them,” Prešeren said, adding that this discovery makes four acquittals of previously sentenced JNA officers entirely appropriate.

    On the other hand, the greatest majority of the 104 trials against JNA members were “in violation of Geneva Conventions, since JNA troops acted in accordance with the international law and Geneva Conventions”.

    “Each and every order issued by the Yugoslav Army contained strict command that civilians must not be targeted and that the Army must observe the international law. As much as that may sound strange here [in Slovenia], the truth of the matter is that Yugoslav Army acted in a civilized manner, as one would expect Western armies to behave,” Prešeren told Belgrade daily Politika.

    Based on Slovenian documentation he had access to, Prešeren found that the book by Yugoslav Army titled “The Truth about the Armed Conflict in Slovenia”, which has been denounced in Slovenia as “Serbian propaganda”, gives the “entirely accurate account, with only one deficiency, of not giving the exact dates and places for every event described”. Nevertheless, this is “a rare military document where everything is accurate and correct in regards to the international norms and laws, with the primary documentary evidence superbly processed,” according to Prešeren.

  116. Serbs and Yugoslavia were Under Attack, Not Croatia

    In the exclusive interview, Franjo Tuđman's Internal Affairs Minister Josip Boljkovac admitted Croat leadership carried out planned attacks on Croatia Serbs in 1991, in order to start a war. “Tuđman wanted the war at any cost, following the concept according to which Serbs must disappear from Croatia,” Boljkovac said.

    Croat media censored reports from Boljkovac's testimony at the trial against former Osijek mayor Branimir Glavaš, war criminal responsible for horrific crimes against the local Serbs, concealing parts of his testimony which charge Croatia with instigating the war.

    “During the testimony, Glavaš accused me of persecuting him because he destroyed the bridge on river Drava in Osijek [Croatia]. He claimed he had destroyed the bridge to protect the town from JNA [Yugoslav National Army] tanks, and I responded that, at the time, JNA was a regular army of an internationally recognized state, while Croatia, which was not recognized, was part of Yugoslavia. Then I explained who started armed conflicts in that part of Slavonija,” Boljkovac told Frankfurt-based daily Vesti.

    In a sensational interview published on February 12 and carried by the several media outlets in Serbia, Croatia's war-time minister of police said it was the Serbs and Yugoslavia who were being attacked in 1991, and not Croatia.

    “Back then, in 1991, Serbs and Yugoslavia were under attack, not Croatia. Gojko Šušak, Branimir Glavaš and Vice Vukojević launched antitank rockets on Borovo Selo in order to provoke a war. The bridge in Osijek was destroyed for the same reason,” Boljkovac said.

    He explained Croat war-time leader Franjo Tudjman “wanted the war at any cost”:

    “The war was not a necessity — it was an intention. According to Tudjman's concept, Serbs had to disappear from Croatia,” Boljkovac stressed, adding he was against the war and didn't allow Serbs who were serving in the police in Croatia to be fired which, in turn, made him a target for assassination by Croat emigration.

    Boljkovac believes there was a secret “deal” between former Yugoslav and Serbian President Slobodan Milošević and Franjo Tuđman, Croatia's war leader, “to divide Bosnia and Herzegovina and exchange the population through ethnic cleansing.” According to his theory, “Tuđman handed over Bosnian Posavina to Milošević, and Milošević helped Tuđman to get rid of Krajina Serbs”.

  117. Serbs and Yugoslavia were Under Attack, Not Croatia

    In the exclusive interview, Franjo Tuđman%E2%80%99s Internal Affairs Minister Josip Boljkovac admitted Croat leadership carried out planned attacks on Croatia Serbs in 1991, in order to start a war. “Tuđman wanted the war at any cost, following the concept according to which Serbs must disappear from Croatia,” Boljkovac said.

    Croat media censored reports from Boljkovac%E2%80%99s testimony at the trial against former Osijek mayor Branimir Glavaš, war criminal responsible for horrific crimes against the local Serbs, concealing parts of his testimony which charge Croatia with instigating the war.

    “During the testimony, Glavaš accused me of persecuting him because he destroyed the bridge on river Drava in Osijek [Croatia]. He claimed he had destroyed the bridge to protect the town from JNA [Yugoslav National Army] tanks, and I responded that, at the time, JNA was a regular army of an internationally recognized state, while Croatia, which was not recognized, was part of Yugoslavia. Then I explained who started armed conflicts in that part of Slavonija,” Boljkovac told Frankfurt-based daily Vesti.

    In a sensational interview published on February 12 and carried by the several media outlets in Serbia, Croatia%E2%80%99s war-time minister of police said it was the Serbs and Yugoslavia who were being attacked in 1991, and not Croatia.

    “Back then, in 1991, Serbs and Yugoslavia were under attack, not Croatia. Gojko Šušak, Branimir Glavaš and Vice Vukojević launched antitank rockets on Borovo Selo in order to provoke a war. The bridge in Osijek was destroyed for the same reason,” Boljkovac said.

    He explained Croat war-time leader Franjo Tudjman “wanted the war at any cost”:

    “The war was not a necessity — it was an intention. According to Tudjman%E2%80%99s concept, Serbs had to disappear from Croatia,” Boljkovac stressed, adding he was against the war and didn%E2%80%99t allow Serbs who were serving in the police in Croatia to be fired which, in turn, made him a target for assassination by Croat emigration.

    Boljkovac believes there was a secret “deal” between former Yugoslav and Serbian President Slobodan Milošević and Franjo Tuđman, Croatia%E2%80%99s war leader, “to divide Bosnia and Herzegovina and exchange the population through ethnic cleansing.” According to his theory, “Tuđman handed over Bosnian Posavina to Milošević, and Milošević helped Tuđman to get rid of Krajina Serbs”.

  118. Tudjman's Police Minister Admits Croatia Started the War by Attacking Serbs

    Boljkovac Confirmed What Serbia has been Saying for the Past Two Decades

    No one was particularly surprised in Serbia by Boljkovac's admission that Croat leadership instigated a civil war by launching planned attacks against Serbs in Croatia and Yugoslav Army.

    Vladislav Jovanović, Yugoslav Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1991-1995, told Glas Javnosti Boljkovac's statement about Croatia bearing the exclusive responsibility for the war is absolutely correct.

    – His testimony only further confirms what was known from day one and what Serbia has been pointing out for nearly two decades — that there was no “Serbian aggression” against Croatia; instead, Croatia Serbs were forced to defend themselves. That is Boljkovac's hindsight for the factual state of affairs. After the “Storm” and “Lightning”, even Tuđman admitted the war was imperative for Croatia to secede, – Jovanović reminded.

    On the other hand, Boljkovac's theory about the conspiracy and alleged deal between Tuđman and Milošević is rejected as “pure speculation, fairly common in the West and Croatia, even though it is entirely unfounded”.

    – As far as I am aware, there was no such deal, – Jovanović stressed.

    Asked why Serbia stood by during the Krajina pogrom (Operation Storm, August 4-7, 1995), the single biggest act of ethnic cleansing during the civil wars in 1990s, when over 250,000 Serbs were expelled from Croatia, Jovanović said he believes late President Milošević was issued an ultimatum by United States.

    – The day before the attack on Krajina, Milošević was visited by an American ambassador in Zagreb [Croatian capital], Peter Galbraith. I did not attend the meeting, but I believe Galbraith had put a knife under Milošević's throat, warning him against Serbia's involvement. I'm sure a direct threat of bombardment of Serbia was also issued, in order to prevent any Serbian military reaction, – Jovanović said.

  119. Mixture of Facts and Fiction

    Former head of Counter-Intelligence Service [Kontra-obavestajna sluzba, KOS], general Aca Vasiljević warned that Boljkovac is “mixing facts with fiction”.

    – When he was in power, Boljkovac was a loyal and obedient servant, he was always eager to please, and he is now trying to justify his actions. It is common knowledge that Milošević and Tuđman were meeting, but it is entirely incorrect they had the kind of contacts Boljkovac describes. Tuđman had stated long time ago: “If we didn't want the war, there wouldn't have been any”, while Boljkovac was a proponent of the idea of an independent Croatia at any cost already back in the 1970s, in MASPOK. In the 1990s, he participated in the war, surrounded by the extremists, people who came from the terrorist wing of Ustasha organization, like Gojko Šušak, – Vasiljević said.

    Živadin Jovanović, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's last foreign affairs minister, said it was good there is at least someone in Croatia who speaks “partial truth.”

    – It is absolutely correct that was a civil war and there is no basis for charges of “aggression on Croatia”. I don't know Boljkovac personally, but this wouldn't be the first time former government members become wise after the fact. Hindsight wisdom is a trait of impaired politicians, even though it can be useful to historians. However, there is no basis for the claims civil war was a result of a secret deal between two men. The sole purpose of such theories is to cover up the essential fact, that Croatia's strategy was secession, separatism and, as such, it enjoyed support of Germany, Austria, Hungary and Vatican, – Živadin Jovanović said.

  120. Tudjman%E2%80%99s Police Minister Admits Croatia Started the War by Attacking Serbs

    Boljkovac Confirmed What Serbia has been Saying for the Past Two Decades

    No one was particularly surprised in Serbia by Boljkovac%E2%80%99s admission that Croat leadership instigated a civil war by launching planned attacks against Serbs in Croatia and Yugoslav Army.

    Vladislav Jovanović, Yugoslav Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1991-1995, told Glas Javnosti Boljkovac%E2%80%99s statement about Croatia bearing the exclusive responsibility for the war is absolutely correct.

    – His testimony only further confirms what was known from day one and what Serbia has been pointing out for nearly two decades — that there was no “Serbian aggression” against Croatia; instead, Croatia Serbs were forced to defend themselves. That is Boljkovac%E2%80%99s hindsight for the factual state of affairs. After the “Storm” and “Lightning”, even Tuđman admitted the war was imperative for Croatia to secede, – Jovanović reminded.

    On the other hand, Boljkovac%E2%80%99s theory about the conspiracy and alleged deal between Tuđman and Milošević is rejected as “pure speculation, fairly common in the West and Croatia, even though it is entirely unfounded”.

    – As far as I am aware, there was no such deal, – Jovanović stressed.

    Asked why Serbia stood by during the Krajina pogrom (Operation Storm, August 4-7, 1995), the single biggest act of ethnic cleansing during the civil wars in 1990s, when over 250,000 Serbs were expelled from Croatia, Jovanović said he believes late President Milošević was issued an ultimatum by United States.

    – The day before the attack on Krajina, Milošević was visited by an American ambassador in Zagreb [Croatian capital], Peter Galbraith. I did not attend the meeting, but I believe Galbraith had put a knife under Milošević%E2%80%99s throat, warning him against Serbia%E2%80%99s involvement. I%E2%80%99m sure a direct threat of bombardment of Serbia was also issued, in order to prevent any Serbian military reaction, – Jovanović said.

  121. Mixture of Facts and Fiction

    Former head of Counter-Intelligence Service [Kontra-obavestajna sluzba, KOS], general Aca Vasiljević warned that Boljkovac is “mixing facts with fiction”.

    – When he was in power, Boljkovac was a loyal and obedient servant, he was always eager to please, and he is now trying to justify his actions. It is common knowledge that Milošević and Tuđman were meeting, but it is entirely incorrect they had the kind of contacts Boljkovac describes. Tuđman had stated long time ago: “If we didn%E2%80%99t want the war, there wouldn%E2%80%99t have been any”, while Boljkovac was a proponent of the idea of an independent Croatia at any cost already back in the 1970s, in MASPOK. In the 1990s, he participated in the war, surrounded by the extremists, people who came from the terrorist wing of Ustasha organization, like Gojko Šušak, – Vasiljević said.

    Živadin Jovanović, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia%E2%80%99s last foreign affairs minister, said it was good there is at least someone in Croatia who speaks “partial truth.”

    – It is absolutely correct that was a civil war and there is no basis for charges of “aggression on Croatia”. I don%E2%80%99t know Boljkovac personally, but this wouldn%E2%80%99t be the first time former government members become wise after the fact. Hindsight wisdom is a trait of impaired politicians, even though it can be useful to historians. However, there is no basis for the claims civil war was a result of a secret deal between two men. The sole purpose of such theories is to cover up the essential fact, that Croatia%E2%80%99s strategy was secession, separatism and, as such, it enjoyed support of Germany, Austria, Hungary and Vatican, – Živadin Jovanović said.

  122. Tudjman's Police Minister Admits Croatia Started the War by Attacking Serbs

    Boljkovac Confirmed What Serbia has been Saying for the Past Two Decades

    No one was particularly surprised in Serbia by Boljkovac's admission that Croat leadership instigated a civil war by launching planned attacks against Serbs in Croatia and Yugoslav Army.

    Vladislav Jovanović, Yugoslav Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1991-1995, told Glas Javnosti Boljkovac's statement about Croatia bearing the exclusive responsibility for the war is absolutely correct.

    – His testimony only further confirms what was known from day one and what Serbia has been pointing out for nearly two decades — that there was no “Serbian aggression” against Croatia; instead, Croatia Serbs were forced to defend themselves. That is Boljkovac's hindsight for the factual state of affairs. After the “Storm” and “Lightning”, even Tuđman admitted the war was imperative for Croatia to secede, – Jovanović reminded.

    On the other hand, Boljkovac's theory about the conspiracy and alleged deal between Tuđman and Milošević is rejected as “pure speculation, fairly common in the West and Croatia, even though it is entirely unfounded”.

    – As far as I am aware, there was no such deal, – Jovanović stressed.

    Asked why Serbia stood by during the Krajina pogrom (Operation Storm, August 4-7, 1995), the single biggest act of ethnic cleansing during the civil wars in 1990s, when over 250,000 Serbs were expelled from Croatia, Jovanović said he believes late President Milošević was issued an ultimatum by United States.

    – The day before the attack on Krajina, Milošević was visited by an American ambassador in Zagreb [Croatian capital], Peter Galbraith. I did not attend the meeting, but I believe Galbraith had put a knife under Milošević's throat, warning him against Serbia's involvement. I'm sure a direct threat of bombardment of Serbia was also issued, in order to prevent any Serbian military reaction, – Jovanović said.

  123. Mixture of Facts and Fiction

    Former head of Counter-Intelligence Service [Kontra-obavestajna sluzba, KOS], general Aca Vasiljević warned that Boljkovac is “mixing facts with fiction”.

    – When he was in power, Boljkovac was a loyal and obedient servant, he was always eager to please, and he is now trying to justify his actions. It is common knowledge that Milošević and Tuđman were meeting, but it is entirely incorrect they had the kind of contacts Boljkovac describes. Tuđman had stated long time ago: “If we didn't want the war, there wouldn't have been any”, while Boljkovac was a proponent of the idea of an independent Croatia at any cost already back in the 1970s, in MASPOK. In the 1990s, he participated in the war, surrounded by the extremists, people who came from the terrorist wing of Ustasha organization, like Gojko Šušak, – Vasiljević said.

    Živadin Jovanović, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's last foreign affairs minister, said it was good there is at least someone in Croatia who speaks “partial truth.”

    – It is absolutely correct that was a civil war and there is no basis for charges of “aggression on Croatia”. I don't know Boljkovac personally, but this wouldn't be the first time former government members become wise after the fact. Hindsight wisdom is a trait of impaired politicians, even though it can be useful to historians. However, there is no basis for the claims civil war was a result of a secret deal between two men. The sole purpose of such theories is to cover up the essential fact, that Croatia's strategy was secession, separatism and, as such, it enjoyed support of Germany, Austria, Hungary and Vatican, – Živadin Jovanović said.

  124. Taylor you must be well paid by somebody or have really nothing better to do in your life but constantly be posting all this crap on the internet. The bottom-line is that you hate Croats, everything Croatian and their flag and no amount of facts or historical research can ever change the hatred you have in your hart. It is because of the ideas like yours that the war in Yugoslavia started in the first place But no use, because you lost in Croatia and no amount of lies you post on internet can change that. Even this unjust and political verdict in Hague will not matter on the long run. Croatia is free and the concept of Great Serbia is dead in the water You can keep your refugees wherever you want, multiply and divide the numbers and play with millions and trillions of Serbs who lost this or that. Just for you and the others who have a big problem with Croatian flag, but not with Italian, Japanese or any other WVII flags, please check out this site: http://www.loeser.us/flags/wwii.html

  125. Taylor you must be well paid by somebody or have really nothing better to do in your life but constantly be posting all this crap on the internet. The bottom-line is that you hate Croats, everything Croatian and their flag and no amount of facts or historical research can ever change the hatred you have in your hart. It is because of the ideas like yours that the war in Yugoslavia started in the first place But no use, because you lost in Croatia and no amount of lies you post on internet can change that. Even this unjust and political verdict in Hague will not matter on the long run. Croatia is free and the concept of Great Serbia is dead in the water You can keep your refugees wherever you want, multiply and divide the numbers and play with millions and trillions of Serbs who lost this or that. Just for you and the others who have a big problem with Croatian flag, but not with Italian, Japanese or any other WVII flags, please check out this site: http://www.loeser.us/flags/wwii.html

    • oh thats just it, you dont get it is your nation croatia who is so full of hate, you think you got away with your forefathers did in WWI and WWII to the helpless Serbs and what you did again to 350,000 farmers in august of 1995 but you didnt your nation is CURSED with hate and it is a disease in the croatian soul.

      Ask one Serb if they hate croats, they could careless about you, but your whole existence as a nation is founded on HATE and that is your curse and your soul is diseased.

      your flag is a nazi flag everyone knows it – be proud afterall that is all you gave the world Ante Pavelic buckets of serbian childrens eyeballs.

      read above if you have the guts, whats wrong why cant you respond to it?

      • there is nothing to respond to, this is a load of crap and you know it or you are seriously demented. Nothing but Serbian myths and propaganda, you should be ashamed of what you are writing, seriously. You and many of your folks firmly belive if you say a lay three times it almost becomes a truth.

        • Nationalist rhetoric on either side is what caused the war, those like Karadzic and Milosevic are just as bad as Tudman and his cronies, Serb paramilitaries commuted atrocities in Bosnia and Croatia and Kosovo, as did the KLA in Kosovo and Croat paramilitaries in Krajina, instead of blinding ourselves in rhetoric and focusing only on what happened 20 years ago, we need to work together so an INDEPENDENT Croatia and INDEPENDENT Serbia can become strong enough to make sure we are never swindled by the west again.

  126. Jeff…You are ignorant to what the serbs did in the last 60 years…I stood on the top of a hole to an underground cave where serbs through croats into for over 40 years…when cave divers went in they estimate the visible remains to be between 23000-25000 people…and this is in just one cave…around Sosice there are several. My grandmother watched them march thousands out of hospitals and schools to the caves so don't lecture anyone on ethnic cleansing, Vukovar was wiped off the map and those in charge got no more than 10yrs, this is unequal justice!

  127. we are not the ones that were caught altering history books…you are the heads of the lier department.

  128. My nephew was in the special forces during the war. He was one of the first to enter a village that the serbs had raided. The first thing they came across was a 6 month old Croatian baby boy who had his throat cut and was nailed to a cross (for all our pretense of progression, not much has changed in 2000 years). And yet, the blood of this child and the rest of that village still cries out for justice. Our generals were defending their country from an invading enemy. Croatia didn't invade Serbia. Serbia invaded Croatia…. so why is it so hard for some of you morons to understand why justice has gone begging? The only people that bring up nazism are those that have nothing to say but feel the need to dispel some hot air!!! If you want to talk nazi, go find some misguided skinheads because they're the only ones that are interested. Living in the past isn't going to make the present right. Before you go on, ask yourselves one question – if someone broke into/occupied my house and threatened the lives of my family, would I just throw my hands into the air and say "take it"? If your answer is yes, then you're a lost cause. If your answer is no, ah – now you're getting the picture!

  129. My nephew was in the special forces during the war. He was one of the first to enter a village that the serbs had raided. The first thing they came across was a 6 month old Croatian baby boy who had his throat cut and was nailed to a cross (for all our pretense of progression, not much has changed in 2000 years). And yet, the blood of this child and the rest of that village still cries out for justice. Our generals were defending their country from an invading enemy. Croatia didn't invade Serbia. Serbia invaded Croatia…. so why is it so hard for some of you morons to understand why justice has gone begging? The only people that bring up nazism are those that have nothing to say but feel the need to dispel some hot air!!! If you want to talk nazi, go find some misguided skinheads because they're the only ones that are interested. Living in the past isn't going to make the present right. Before you go on, ask yourselves one question – if someone broke into/occupied my house and threatened the lives of my family, would I just throw my hands into the air and say "take it"? If your answer is yes, then you're a lost cause. If your answer is no, ah – now you're getting the picture!

    • yah yah sure sure jihadist muslim fairytales and croatian nazi deception, save it – the world knows who cuts heads of the innocent and kills babies and that is nazi's and jihadists, your nation croatia is built on serbian blood and your land is full of serbian corpses..

      you really believe your own lies, the US and NATO used you to control your country and you think their manipulation is the real story – you always needed some evil to help you fight austrians hungarians bulgarians nazis NATO US –

  130. oh thats just it, you dont get it is your nation croatia who is so full of hate, you think you got away with your forefathers did in WWI and WWII to the helpless Serbs and what you did again to 350,000 farmers in august of 1995 but you didnt your nation is CURSED with hate and it is a disease in the croatian soul.

    Ask one Serb if they hate croats, they could careless about you, but your whole existence as a nation is founded on HATE and that is your curse and your soul is diseased.

    your flag is a nazi flag everyone knows it – be proud afterall that is all you gave the world Ante Pavelic buckets of serbian childrens eyeballs.

    read above if you have the guts, whats wrong why cant you respond to it?

  131. yah yah sure sure jihadist muslim fairytales and croatian nazi deception, save it – the world knows who cuts heads of the innocent and kills babies and that is nazi's and jihadists, your nation croatia is built on serbian blood and your land is full of serbian corpses..

    you really believe your own lies, the US and NATO used you to control your country and you think their manipulation is the real story – you always needed some evil to help you fight austrians hungarians bulgarians nazis NATO US –

  132. yah yah sure more croatian nazi fairytales

  133. what Serb has to alter their history? ??? there is no nation that has a history like Serbia – every evil empire has fallen at the hands of the serbs, the islamic turkish slavery empire fell, austrian/hungarian evil gone, bulgarian gone, italian fascist died, nazi croatia lost, nazi germany lost, NATO US lost, Serbs have always won and you have always lostjavascript: postComment(1);

  134. there is nothing to respond to, this is a load of crap and you know it or you are seriously demented. Nothing but Serbian myths and propaganda, you should be ashamed of what you are writing, seriously. You and many of your folks firmly belive if you say a lay three times it almost becomes a truth.

  135. Court's ruling does not dispute the legitimacy of the Operation Storm but shows that there were criminal and unlawful elements present during the operation. The entire "process" uncovers that Operation Storm's sub context to ethnically cleanse the Serb populated region of Croatia overshadows the public context of a so called liberation. The legitimacy of liberation needs to be looked from all sides involved, including the indigenous Serb population in Croatia which you so liberally call terrorists. This proves the exact nature of the Yugoslav war where victims were civilians caught in such liberation actions whether they be Croats in Serb territory or Serbs in Croat territory.

    To put it in Canadian context: hypothetically if Canadian government decides to take sovereignty away from Quebec; makes Quebecois citizens of the subclass minority; tells Quebecois they can now only speak English; strips them of their voting rights and from all official government positions; and labels them terrorists; result would be overwhelmingly similar. Quebec would violently fight just like Croatian Serbs fought Tudjman's government.

  136. hahahaha. you're beyond special i love it. your short bus driver must be entertained by you daily. going by your logic that would also mean that anyone who defends serbia is a nazi because of the past?

  137. Mihailovic ring any bells? in case it doesn't here are some of the instructions he gave to his army:
    – The cleansing of all national minorities and anti-state elements from state territory
    – The creation of direct common borders between Serbia and Montenegro, as well as Serbia and Slovenia by cleansing the Muslim population from Sandžak, and the Muslim and Croat populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina

  138. first there is no such thing as sandzak it is called raska .

    next your communist lies are done finished you will never have the chance to deceive anyone ever again remember that

    Draza was given the highest award by the US government to a foreigner – the HIGHEST – it doesnt matter what lies you come up with the world knows the first organized resistance in europe was draza and the royal serbian cetniks

    you cant stand it – it eats at your soul that your croatian cowards were nazi boot lickers and Serbs won another world war and you lost

    STOP your croatian fantasy lies you and all you croat nazi's need medication

    how does it feel that your BIG HERO got 24 years and your whole country was founded on a CRIMINALS

    you lost

  139. hahaha @ taylor. What wiki page did you copy and paste all that crap from? Is it one of your "scientific fact" sites. People like you amuse me.
    @ Anita, not for nothing but you should look up the definition of "skinhead" before throwong it around. NAZIism and skinheads(true skinheads) have absolutely no relation. In fact the skinhead style came from Jamaican immigrants.

  140. hahaha @ taylor. What wiki page did you copy and paste all that crap from? Is it one of your "scientific fact" sites. People like you amuse me.
    @ Anita, not for nothing but you should look up the definition of "skinhead" before throwong it around. NAZIism and skinheads(true skinheads) have absolutely no relation. In fact the skinhead style came from Jamaican immigrants.

    • how foolish can one be – it is an official report from a slovenian investigation and your Josip Boljkovac admitted to everything look it up it is everywhere – just suppresed by the vatican and germany the US NATO because it is their big LOSS if all this info comes out.

      i give you facts and you have no response, YOU LOSE

  141. how foolish can one be – it is an official report from a slovenian investigation and your Josip Boljkovac admitted to everything look it up it is everywhere – just suppresed by the vatican and germany the US NATO because it is their big LOSS if all this info comes out.

    i give you facts and you have no response, YOU LOSE

  142. You are so ignorant and full of hatred and in need of an education because you clearly do not know the facts. It is sad to hear comments like these. It is no lie to say that croatians have had a bloody history because they were constantly being violently overpowered by others…hence why they wanted their own country. Can you really blame them for defending their nation from the Serbs who had invaded? How in the world can this be disputed.

  143. Nationalist rhetoric on either side is what caused the war, those like Karadzic and Milosevic are just as bad as Tudman and his cronies, Serb paramilitaries commuted atrocities in Bosnia and Croatia and Kosovo, as did the KLA in Kosovo and Croat paramilitaries in Krajina, instead of blinding ourselves in rhetoric and focusing only on what happened 20 years ago, we need to work together so an INDEPENDENT Croatia and INDEPENDENT Serbia can become strong enough to make sure we are never swindled by the west again.

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