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Debate over Quebec sovereignty irrelevant: poll

30 years after the first Quebec sovereignty referendum, most Quebecers consider the debate over


 

Sovereignty’s dead. Again. Three decades after Quebec’s first referendum, it seems the question of whether Quebec should stay or go has lost it’s heart-clenching urgency in the province itself. According to a recent poll, 58 percent of the province believes the issue is settled, with only 14 percent of Quebecers believe the province will be a république in the next 30 years. Tellingly, though, the support for sovereignty hovers at 40 percent–which is sounding more and more like wishful thinking.

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Debate over Quebec sovereignty irrelevant: poll

  1. To bad.

  2. I don't want to see Québec leave; we need their goalies for our Olympic hockey teams. Sure Canada would probably save a lot of money in transfer payments, and we could stop printing French on everything (or do we have to get rid of NB too), but dammit I like those goofy bastards.

    • The more than half-million Franco-Ontarians would also enjoy the maintaining of French should Quebec ever separate.

      I'm sure if they start now they could have a great goalie system in place in a decade or two :)

      • I'd like to think that our Franco-Ontariennne great-grand-mothers didn't break their knitting needles in the fight for french equality in schools just for the Quebecers to take the credit.

        • Cannot disagree with that. Often the language discussions in this country focuses only on political borders.

      • there is no way there will be bilingualism if quebec leaves, if it is put to a referendum it will be out the door as fast as you can say boo …statistically speaking it doesnt make much sense to spend so much on this second language when it applies to less than 4% of the population who already speak english at their place of work and amongst their friends

    • Yeah and you would also loose 40 billion $ in taxes from Quebec. Do you even know that among the equalization payments receiving provinces Quebec is the one with the lowest amount per capita. Yet it receives the highest total amount but considering the fact that they are 8 millions makes them the one who benefit the less from the equalization system because well…they also pay their part of it so that those P-E Islanders fishermen can get twice the amount per citizens Quebec receives but it’s funny how nobody’s bitching about it

  3. Key word: Again. The zombie somehow manages to get undead from time to time.

    whether Quebec should stay or go has lost it's heart-clenching urgency in the province itself.

    Its. Its urgency. Not it's.

    • I'm surprised you didn't go full Conan the Grammarian on this one. That second-last sentence is a treasure trove.

  4. If this is so, why did dion's coalition fall apart?

    Because the Bloc is still unpopular everywhere outside of Quebéc. The Canadian Left is divided -BQ in Quebéc, NDP everywhere else.

    And the only issue that defines the two as seperate?

    Sovereignty. Oh yeah, that thing you've declared to be dead. huh.

    It's still lively enough to keep a coalition from toppling Harper, isn't it?

    • Sure, sovereignty is part of the BQ mythology, just like fiscal conservatism is in the Conservative backstory and principled social policy is in the Liberal mindset. These are the little fictions they tell themselves and – let's admit it – we all have our own we tell ourselves each day about ourselves that help us keep an identity while running around being inconsistent pragmatists.

      The BQ is currently just that – the Quebec Block. The party has, in all practical terms, shifted over to being what Reform was in its earliest days: a regional party with many individual currents running through it. It survives because they have convinced their electors the other main national parties can't be trusted to look after Quebec's interests on the national level as well as they can. Simple as that.

      • That was beautiful, the first paragraph in particular, worthy of not just one thumb up, but a whole fistful of upward pointed digits. :-)

        • You are too kind. It will take more than this post, though, to make up for the boat load of negative thumbs I received over on Steyn's article. I've never had the experience before of having my points bubble go in reverse.

          • Wrt the Steyn thread, I was sort of following your "progress" over there, but to be honest it was hard to keep up with all of the "developments". IIRC you did a great job of trying to keep the discourse civilized; thanks for that.

          • Again, you are kind to say so. I give in sometimes to my darker half. I'm working on it.

          • Thanks for explaining it to me. I'm an outsider myself trying to make sense of Canadian politics-no small thing, since I can't even sense out of the politics in my own country.

            Still, there are a few things that mystify me-like why is it that your PM gets to prorogue Parliament any time he feels like it? I half expect to see Michaëlle Jean strutted down the middle of the Commons in a cover video of Madonna's 'Vogue', only singing 'Prorogue' instead. If I was any good at CGI, I'd have made a YouTube video of that long ago.

            Also, why is it that your Left is so fractious and your Right so unified? There's really only one party on the Right in Canada, and yet you have three with seats in Parliament and one other that may soon win a seat in the Parliament. And why is your Upper House of the Legislature unelected? A lifetime appointment to one half of a bicameral legislature doesn't sound like democracy to me.

            Politics aside, Canada is a beautiful country filled with beautiful people. well, except for Celine Dion. The world demands an apology from Canada for producing Celine Dion.

          • Prorogation, as i understand it, was tied to the annual agrarian calendar. Come to work after the harvest, prorogue beofre seeding time. As times changed and as the legislative calendar became more complex, the Canadian Parliament's solution was to extend sessions over longer stretches of time. Since there are no specific limits expressed in the Constitution, it is for th GG to do, on the advice of her chief adviser, the PM.

            On left and right, it was the opposite not so long ago. The Liberals ruled because the right had two parties and split their vote. That was enough to counter the effect of the NDP. However, with a unified right and with being shut out of a former stronghold in Quebec by the new BQ, the Liberals can't overcome the vote splitting on the left. Will they merge? Time will tell.

  5. Sovereignty was declared dead back in the mid 1980s also. The Westmount Rhodesians were gone, having packed up and moved down the 401, separatists were supposedly irrelevant greybeards living in the past. Then look at what happened. Meech Lake, Charlottetown, Quebec's chronic "humiliation", the referendum squeaker, the Clarity Act etc. All you need is someone (like Iggy) to say something absurd about Quebec's place in Canada and away we go. Tribalism is an extremely stubborn thing.

  6. With a party like the PQ on the rise it's a matter of time before sovereignty debates starts anew.
    This is an issue that will never be resolved: Quebec is different from the rest of Canada, so there will always be haters on both sides.

    • Newfoundland, Alberta, and BC are also much different than Ontario . Trudeau said that if Quebec is distinct then what it is distinct from is also distinct from it.

    • Yes it will be solved when Quebec actually separate

  7. If the people decided not to discuss this issue there is no requirement for there to be this should be supported by the majority and be honest with themselves and I think this poll have done so. These things do not hesitate.

  8. I love Quebec and I love that its a part of Canada, I am proud of it a great many good things come from Quebec. I just wish the politicians would spend the energy and resources that they spend on soveriegnty on issues important to Quebecors such as health care and education, but politicians would rather waste time and resources trying to rip apart one of the greatest countires in the world. Quebec is an amazing province and an asset to this great country. Viva Quebec within Canada

  9. Quebec will become a country wether you like it or not. There are 1 out of 4 Canadians that would vote to kick Quebec out of the federation while in Quebec even if the idea is supported only by 45% of the population the youth does not consider themselves Canadians. They just didn’t live the constitutional crisis so they don’t feel the urge to separate. Actually 60% of Quebecers consider themselves Quebecer only or Quebec much more than Canadian and if you take only the 18-24 y/o you get something around 80%. The PQ is on its way to become the next provincial government so it is inevitable that it will do everything it can to get more powers transfered from Ottawa to Quebec and obviously the Conservative federal government will refuse and then Quebecers will start talking about separation again and I’m pretty sure that with a population that feels absolutely no attachment toward this country they will vote in favor. Considering that all the myths about the debt, the equalization payments, the fucking exodus or whatever are wrong (and if you don’t believe me I will be glad to prove it to you) and that the separatists will do everything they can to convince the undecided citizens. Not only the actual government of Canada has less Quebecers as ministers than any other governments had in the last century they are also ran by a Prime Minister that clearly wishes that the West was the epicenter of this country and that Quebec’s secession would result in the polarity of Canada going from Ontario to Alberta he will (and even if he wanted to his popularity in Quebec is almost none) won’t work very hard to keep La Belle Province as part of his country. In the last two referendums the Canada’s prime ministers were who? Trudeau and Chrétien…Two Quebecers so first of all they would have lost their job because they were deputies in Quebec and Quebecers tended to listen to them because they were culturally closer to them as they were francophones. In the end this country is a failure and it is in both Quebec and Canada’s best interests to split up and run their country the way they want and this is what will happen. Whether Quebec will vote its way out, or Canadians will decide it’s time to go.