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Does the CBC want Quebec to separate?


 

Ezra Levant is wrong. The CBC Vote Compass thing isn’t a shill for the Liberal Party of Canada*. For fans of National Unity™, it’s actually much worse. The CBC, or at least the CBC Vote Compass, is apparently in bed with the coalition-loving, Canada-hating, tax-and-spend separatists. Gadzooks!

A nefarious CBC mole of my acquaintance pointed this out to me while we rode the Métro together yesterday. Basically, he pointed out that if you say you’re from Quebec and answer the Vote Compass questions in a mildly lefty fashion (strong yes to getting out of Afghanistan, soft yes to government policies to stimulate economy, etc), you have a good chance of being designated a Bloc Québécois voter—even if you answer “strongly disagree” to “Quebec should become an independent state.”

I did it with my riding, just for fun. Here’s the crucial question:

I finished the questionnaire, the Vote Compass thought long and hard, and spat out the following:

Weird. Based on the national unity question alone, you’d think the national unity question would disqualify the Bloc entirely. It’s the reason the party exists, after all, despite whatever late-game spin Duceppe is spouting these days.

*A quick note: my God, Sun News been slogging that tired narrative for all it’s worth. I guess it sucks for them/it that most Canadians are part of that giant, mushy, feel-good sort-of-left-of-centre usurped long ago by the Liberal Party of Canada. They even used to win election after election thanks to it.


 

Does the CBC want Quebec to separate?

  1. It's not even the mild left of centre. It's the dull right.

  2. It's not even the mild left of centre. It's the dull right.

  3. Duceppe Loves to Visit Canada….How obtuse

  4. Duceppe Loves to Visit Canada….How obtuse

  5. Maybe there are lots of BQ supporters who don't actually support Quebec becoming an independent state.

    I was put closer to BQ than to Liberal but I was labeled Liberal. I guess it's because I don't live in Quebec.

  6. Maybe there are lots of BQ supporters who don't actually support Quebec becoming an independent state.

    I was put closer to BQ than to Liberal but I was labeled Liberal. I guess it's because I don't live in Quebec.

    • Exactly so! Tens of thousands of Quebecers have been voting Bloc as a protest vote for the past 20 years.
      I'm hoping they finally find something in another party to support, and it looks like Jack Layton is giving them what they want to hear.

  7. I guess Trudeau and Chrétien were right. CBC/Radio-Canada is a hive of seperatissssses.

  8. I guess Trudeau and Chrétien were right. CBC/Radio-Canada is a hive of seperatissssses.

  9. At its heart, I don't think a vote compass like this captures the dominant cleavages within Canadian politics. As a result, fundamentally regional questions – of which Quebec secession is the best example – are somehow classed as a left-right ideological issue. Canadians do not have clear ideological leanings – I recall one survey where voters were asked to place the parties from left to right. A large number put the NDP on the far right (which suggests that they were guessing, meaning that a lot of others were guessing when they put the NDP on the left).

    I think you could get much further if you had a left-right dimension (we don't have a fiscally conservative/socially liberal or a socially conservative/fiscally liberal party) and a core-periphery dimension. The latter would capture not only issues of centralization vs. decentralization, but issues that have significant regional consequences. Environmental issues, for instance, which pit the energy producing periphery against the more energy efficient cities would fit there. Trade, as well, would be a good fit there. If you look at free trade, it was the periphery, which contained industries in which Canada had a comparative advantage, that supported free trade and the Tories – even in left-leaning areas like Quebec.

    Here is my stab at where the parties stand on the core-periphery dimension:

    Core—–Liberals————NDP——–Conservatives——–Bloc Quebecois—-Periphery

  10. At its heart, I don't think a vote compass like this captures the dominant cleavages within Canadian politics. As a result, fundamentally regional questions – of which Quebec secession is the best example – are somehow classed as a left-right ideological issue. Canadians do not have clear ideological leanings – I recall one survey where voters were asked to place the parties from left to right. A large number put the NDP on the far right (which suggests that they were guessing, meaning that a lot of others were guessing when they put the NDP on the left).

    I think you could get much further if you had a left-right dimension (we don't have a fiscally conservative/socially liberal or a socially conservative/fiscally liberal party) and a core-periphery dimension. The latter would capture not only issues of centralization vs. decentralization, but issues that have significant regional consequences. Environmental issues, for instance, which pit the energy producing periphery against the more energy efficient cities would fit there. Trade, as well, would be a good fit there. If you look at free trade, it was the periphery, which contained industries in which Canada had a comparative advantage, that supported free trade and the Tories – even in left-leaning areas like Quebec.

    Here is my stab at where the parties stand on the core-periphery dimension:

    Core—–Liberals————NDP——–Conservatives——–Bloc Quebecois—-Periphery

  11. No, the CBC does not want Quebec to separate.

    But because the CBC is so full of Harper hate, they inenvertently aid the Quebec separatist cause; if another minority is the outcome of this election campaign, it will be the BQ who comes out the winner.

    The BQ does not run a federal campaign. In fact, the BQ CANNOT run a federal campaign (it would eliminate the party). And so when a Harper minority will be overtaken by an opposition coalition including the BQ as a must (or else the numbers don't work), then the position of the BQ will be able to strengthen the separatist cause.

    That is their goal, and indirectly the CBC is helping them.

    CBC's hate for Harper is so strong, that they are willing to hand over power to the BQ instead.

  12. No, the CBC does not want Quebec to separate.

    But because the CBC is so full of Harper hate, they inenvertently aid the Quebec separatist cause; if another minority is the outcome of this election campaign, it will be the BQ who comes out the winner.

    The BQ does not run a federal campaign. In fact, the BQ CANNOT run a federal campaign (it would eliminate the party). And so when a Harper minority will be overtaken by an opposition coalition including the BQ as a must (or else the numbers don't work), then the position of the BQ will be able to strengthen the separatist cause.

    That is their goal, and indirectly the CBC is helping them.

    CBC's hate for Harper is so strong, that they are willing to hand over power to the BQ instead.

    • You can just feel the hatred oozing from Coyne, Gregg, Rex Murphy, Chantal Hebert, etc. every time they open their mouths. And all that helping him out in the last three elections, well, that was just a ruse.

      I've always known that conservatives were conspiracy thinking, tin-foil hat wearing, the world is out to get them whiners, but this whole VoteCompass thing surpasses anything I would have expected even from them. Bizzaro world.

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    • "CBC's hate for Harper is so strong, that they are willing to hand over power to the BQ instead."

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  13. At least they have the BQ's position right on that question. Some other claims about party positions seem weird.

    The Conservatives believe corporations should pay much less tax, but the Liberals believe they should pay somewhat more? Where does that come from? The Liberals aren't saying they'll raise corporate taxes, they're saying they'll delay planned cuts.

    And the Liberals have no opinion on whether the deficit should be lower? Why have they brought out Paul Martin then?

    The Liberals think the federal government should make it easier for a woman to get an abortion? Why do they have MPs that vote against abortion rights then?

  14. At least they have the BQ's position right on that question. Some other claims about party positions seem weird.

    The Conservatives believe corporations should pay much less tax, but the Liberals believe they should pay somewhat more? Where does that come from? The Liberals aren't saying they'll raise corporate taxes, they're saying they'll delay planned cuts.

    And the Liberals have no opinion on whether the deficit should be lower? Why have they brought out Paul Martin then?

    The Liberals think the federal government should make it easier for a woman to get an abortion? Why do they have MPs that vote against abortion rights then?

  15. My beef with the Voter Compass is that it is essentially a recruitment tool for a presidential system, wherein partisan allegiance rather than the quality of our constituency representation shapes our decision. No wonder MPs can't get anything done in Ottawa; media, the parties themselves and voters all treat them like they are poker chips to decide who wins the national game of Texas Hold'em.

  16. My beef with the Voter Compass is that it is essentially a recruitment tool for a presidential system, wherein partisan allegiance rather than the quality of our constituency representation shapes our decision. No wonder MPs can't get anything done in Ottawa; media, the parties themselves and voters all treat them like they are poker chips to decide who wins the national game of Texas Hold'em.

  17. These days, the CBC honchos are scratching their heads.

    Why, they ask themselves, can the Liberals not regain power?

    But, the CBC head honchos fail to understand that:

    Martin could not win a majority because by that time the Tories had reunited as one party running in federal elections – so majorities won by default were out of the question.

    Dion was not liked by most Canadians

    The Green shift was not liked by most Canadians

    Most Canadians don't want an academic to run Canada

    Most Canadians would appreciate Ignatieff better if he were to live in Canada for a longer period of time, so he can be put on the record. What has Ignatieff stood for, most of his adult life, Canadian-wise-speaking?

    If the CBC would listen to what the average voter actually tries to say, then the CBC head honchos could stop scratching……………………..

  18. These days, the CBC honchos are scratching their heads.

    Why, they ask themselves, can the Liberals not regain power?

    But, the CBC head honchos fail to understand that:

    Martin could not win a majority because by that time the Tories had reunited as one party running in federal elections – so majorities won by default were out of the question.

    Dion was not liked by most Canadians

    The Green shift was not liked by most Canadians

    Most Canadians don't want an academic to run Canada

    Most Canadians would appreciate Ignatieff better if he were to live in Canada for a longer period of time, so he can be put on the record. What has Ignatieff stood for, most of his adult life, Canadian-wise-speaking?

    If the CBC would listen to what the average voter actually tries to say, then the CBC head honchos could stop scratching……………………..

    • Well, at least you're right that most Canadians don't want an academic to run Canada. Harper has never been able to get as much as 40% of the vote.

      • He's never been able to get as much as 37% of the vote from voting Canadians or never more than 22% of the vote from eligible voters.

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  19. You can just feel the hatred oozing from Coyne, Gregg, Rex Murphy, Chantal Hebert, etc. every time they open their mouths. And all that helping him out in the last three elections, well, that was just a ruse.

    I've always known that conservatives were conspiracy thinking, tin-foil hat wearing, the world is out to get them whiners, but this whole VoteCompass thing surpasses anything I would have expected even from them. Bizzaro world.

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  21. "CBC's hate for Harper is so strong, that they are willing to hand over power to the BQ instead."

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  22. Well, at least you're right that most Canadians don't want an academic to run Canada. Harper has never been able to get as much as 40% of the vote.

  23. He's never been able to get as much as 37% of the vote from voting Canadians or never more than 22% of the vote from eligible voters.

  24. Has Chretien?

  25. Yes, Chretien did win with more than 40 per cent. In the 1993 federal election, Chretien's Liberals won with 41.24 per cent of the vote.

  26. Yes, Chretien did win with more than 40 per cent. In the 1993 federal election, Chretien's Liberals won with 41.24 per cent of the vote.

    • Thank you, Kaplan. I will take your word for it.

      1993: that was the Kim Campbell drop.

      Now, if the media would be as courageous as it had been in 1993, namely by not being afraid of letting Ignatieff drop to his natural level, then Harper might be able to score well above the 41.24%.

      But I don't think the media is as courageous as it had been back in 1993. That's too bad.

      :)

      • But now we've got SUN TV media outlet, and you're sure to hear the truth you seek there.

        • Sun TV: Where the hemlines are higher than the IQ's

  27. Thank you, Kaplan. I will take your word for it.

    1993: that was the Kim Campbell drop.

    Now, if the media would be as courageous as it had been in 1993, namely by not being afraid of letting Ignatieff drop to his natural level, then Harper might be able to score well above the 41.24%.

    But I don't think the media is as courageous as it had been back in 1993. That's too bad.

    :)

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  29. "that was the Kim Campbell drop."

    Otherwise known as the Mulroney legacy vote.

  30. But now we've got SUN TV media outlet, and you're sure to hear the truth you seek there.

  31. I think it's the right idea.
    The Bloc does adocate separation, but their biggest appeal is that they look out for Quebec's interest; that should be prioritzed over separation.

    People who vote for the Bloc aren't all separatists.

  32. I think it's the right idea.
    The Bloc does adocate separation, but their biggest appeal is that they look out for Quebec's interest; that should be prioritzed over separation.

    People who vote for the Bloc aren't all separatists.

  33. Don't the BQ do as well as they do in elections because MANY Quebeckers who strongly disagree that Quebec should become an independent state nonetheless vote for the BQ? It seems to me that this particular example from the Compass is simply a reflection of reality.

  34. Don't the BQ do as well as they do in elections because MANY Quebeckers who strongly disagree that Quebec should become an independent state nonetheless vote for the BQ? It seems to me that this particular example from the Compass is simply a reflection of reality.

    • You are correct in saying that many Quebeckers who do not support separation vote Bloc. But this won't matter to the PQ when they cite support for the Bloc as proof that support for separation is strong.

  35. You are correct in saying that many Quebeckers who do not support separation vote Bloc. But this won't matter to the PQ when they cite support for the Bloc as proof that support for separation is strong.

  36. Sun TV: Where the hemlines are higher than the IQ's

  37. Patriquin is a shrill purveyor of fuzzy-headed Marxist anti-capitalism as evidenced by his silly performance on CBC where he trilled on about whether some private clinic that takes OHIP and the like was 'for profit'. What else could it be? Outsourcing government work to private business to gain the efficiencies of the market is smart but apparently anathema to the 'post-modernists' now easing into journalism.

  38. Patriquin is a shrill purveyor of fuzzy-headed Marxist anti-capitalism as evidenced by his silly performance on CBC where he trilled on about whether some private clinic that takes OHIP and the like was 'for profit'. What else could it be? Outsourcing government work to private business to gain the efficiencies of the market is smart but apparently anathema to the 'post-modernists' now easing into journalism.


    • NO

      Biased Right-winged media ————————————-> Over there


  39. NO

    Biased Right-winged media ————————————-> Over there

  40. Hey look! There are two completely unexploited sectors of political landscape! (Upper Right & Lower Left)

    Surely that is new land to make (political) hay in.

  41. Hey look! There are two completely unexploited sectors of political landscape! (Upper Right & Lower Left)

    Surely that is new land to make (political) hay in.

  42. It just says majority of the Canadians are left leaning social liberals at least from the last election. Interesting we have a conservative government! I think it justifies the coalition!

  43. It just says majority of the Canadians are left leaning social liberals at least from the last election. Interesting we have a conservative government! I think it justifies the coalition!

  44. Exactly so! Tens of thousands of Quebecers have been voting Bloc as a protest vote for the past 20 years.
    I'm hoping they finally find something in another party to support, and it looks like Jack Layton is giving them what they want to hear.

  45. Cana't understand why Canadians don't demand the breakup of such a pinko hotbed. Too many living off the labour of too few in our country.

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