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Forget bribing Quebecers with their own money, scare them instead


 

feu_xy_290609I guess the Conservatives figure they can’t do much worse in Quebec so they might as well go whole-hog on the gutter politics. There’s really no other explanation for their decision to mail a bunch of brain-dead pamphlets to constituents in Bloc-heavy ridings accusing Duceppe’s troops of being “opposed to the protection of children,” a reference to the Bloc’s opposition to a private member’s bill that would set a mandatory minimum sentence of 18 years for those convicted of trafficking in minors:

On the first page, we see a young girl and slogans. The back page features an empty swing seat in a park. In the distance, a man is walking away, holding a child by the hand. All of it is set against a murky background that leaves the rest to the imagination.

There’s already a chasm between the Tories and Quebecers when it comes to all this “tough on crime” nonsense. Trying to goad the Bloc into a spitting match over who wants to send people to jail for the longest amount of time isn’t likely to bridge it. Quite simply, the Bloc has no reason to take the bait.

That’s not to say there’s nothing inherently offensive about the ads—and this is where the Bloc might score some points if they can successfully spread the word about them:

The missive to Quebec was sponsored by Conservative MPs in Ontario and Manitoba. It was paid for with Parliamentary allocations, i.e. taxpayer funds.

Assuming there’ll be a fall election, that gives the Tories about four months to get a clue about Quebec. For their sake, I hope they’ve got a Plan B.


 

Forget bribing Quebecers with their own money, scare them instead

  1. Seems like a retaliation for the Bloq's lies about conservative support for culture in the last election.

    The Bloq's tactics: if cultural spending is up, but there is something somewhere that has been cut, then spread the word about cuts.

    If there is something inherently offensive about the ads, I don't know what it is. All parties are supported by taxpayer funds, how could you forget it? It spawned an uproar in November and a movement to safeguard taxpayer funds being diverted to support the majority of NDP, Bloc and Liberal spending. At least the Conservatives are willing to raise a few pennies on their own.

    • Please enlighten me – why should taxpayer $ underwrite this partisan Conservative bilge? This crap should be paid for out of their own pockets.

      • Hello? The Conservatives are the ones who tried to stop tax money going to the parties. Hello?

        • That would not have stopped 10 percenters – that's what these are. Hello?

          • L-O-L

      • That's pretty much the same way a lot of voters feel about spending on the arts. So, to take the template you offer in your question, please do enlighten me: Why should taxpayers fork over for cheese-and-wine soirees at a sculpture unveiling?
        See how circular these arguments about taxpayers' money can become?

    • That sounds like the Conservative approach to crime statistics. If crime is down, but there is some crime somewhere that is up, then spread the word about the increase.

      Well, except for the increase in E and meth exports since the Tories came to power, because that's somehow Paul Martin's fault anyway.

      • Yeah it sounds like more of Brodies good politics over good policy, cept this time it's not even good politics and Brodie's not around anymore. Wonder if boy genius came up with this one?

  2. I'm so glad I got to help pay for that. That's pretty much exactly what I had in mind when I filed my taxes.

  3. Sweet Jesus.
    I'm so glad I get all of my income tax back.

  4. Maybe Duceppe could start by explaining why he opposed the bill.

    • The Bloc justice critic, Serge Ménard, called it a "bad law." The problem is the mandatory minimum sentence, which they oppose on principle.

      • Do you think there is such thing as a sentence too harsh for people selling drugs to minors?

        • When I was a minor ….. and buying drugs … well, in those ancient days it was buying cheap wine
          from bootleggers , I thought they were great guys.
          And when they were caught they got a small fine and a month in jail. But mostly they were ignored.

    • The Bloc justice critic, Serge Menard, called it a "bad law." The problem they have is with the mandatory minimum sentence, which they oppose on principle.

  5. Given how much the Liberals have bounced back in Quebec I can't believe Harper is even targetting the Bloc.

    Who is running the show over there? This is just stupid stupid politics.

    • No complaint about the use of taxpayer funds?

      • I've given up on that. None of our current political parties has any respect for taxpayer funds. Once upon a time I thought the Conservatives did, but no longer.

  6. It is almost as if she is running away from Harper's smile. I understand, it gives me the creeps too.

  7. Bribing Quebecers with whose money? Certainly not Quebec's money. The province puts so little into the rest of Canada. They are huge net recipients of transfers from Alberta and Ontario. The Conservatives have been bribing Quebec with the West's and Ontario's money.

  8. OK, I'll bite.

    The Conservatives sent flyers like this into Liberal ridings for a full year before the 2008 election, and when the election came the Liberals were cut to their smallest seat total in history. The Conservatives also ran ads against the Liberals in Quebec, which was dumb, because the largest, er, voter bloc was voting Bloc. And it never stopped voting Bloc. I think running ads against the Bloc in Quebec is way, way smarter than not running ads against the Bloc in Quebec.

    • In non-election time, paid for by taxpayers? You think that's okay?

      Perhaps they should sort out the political stripes of all taxpaying Canadians and make only Conservative supporters pay for it.

    • I don't doubt Bloc voters are appealing to the Conservatives. The reason I think this won't work is that they're trying to make crime a wedge issue, but they won't have the ADQ around to whip everyone up into a frenzy about all the child molesters and kidnappers living next door. No matter what Quebecers think about crime (and I'll gladly concede there isn't as strong a consensus about it as some would think), I can't see anyone fighting alongside the Conservatives on this one. The result is that it makes them look even more marginal than they are.

  9. I'm all for attacking the Bloc, but it's the wrong message and the wrong messenger.

    Quebecers already associate the Conservatives with attempts to adult senteneces on juvenile offenders, which was very unpopular in the province. So a "get tough on crime" message will remind Quebecers of that misstep, which underlined again how Conservative values are different from those of Quebecers.

    Plus, as already stated, Harper looks creepy in that picture, like he's the one planning to lure the little girl away.

    Anyway, it's all academic because it decidely game over for the Cons in Quebec (at least as long as Harper is there). They're just wasting (taxpayer) dollars, and reinforcing negative impressions of them.

  10. I'm all for attacking the Bloc, but it's the wrong message and the wrong messenger.

    Quebecers already associate the Conservatives with attempts to impose adult senteneces on juvenile offenders, which was very unpopular in the province. So a "get tough on crime" message will remind Quebecers of that misstep, which underlined again how Conservative values are different from those of Quebecers.

    Plus, as already stated, Harper looks creepy in that picture, like he's the one planning to lure the little girl away.

    Anyway, it's all academic because it decidely game over for the Cons in Quebec (at least as long as Harper is there). They're just wasting (taxpayer) dollars, and reinforcing negative impressions of them.

  11. I hope Harper gets rid of those public subsidies for elections so we can bankrupt the Bloc before those separatists can bankroll any more dollars from Canada.

    • Think of all the ten percenters like this one Harper could buy with that money! We could coat Quebec in pamphlets surveying whether the Economic Action Plan was: a) great budget or b) greatest budget (h/t Colbert) or informing Quebeckers about how the Liberals eat babies for breakfast.

  12. Must've been the arts thing, then.

  13. Depending on the survey phrasing though, I'll bet you can get a majority to agree that drawing and quartering pedophiles is not strong enough punishment.

  14. (Responding to Paul Wells here because stupid IntenseDebate won't let me reply to his latest comment…)

    Meh, not buying it.

    I think it matters who the messenger is as well. If a "get tough on crime" message was coming from one of the other parties that might be one thing. If it's coming from someone Quebecers already look on suspiciously as some kind of strange red-state Republican who somehow ended up running Canada it raises red flags.

    Everyone can see the results of the U.S. criminal justice approach (much higher incarceration rates, but no corresponding decrease in crime compared to Canada. A MUCH higher homicide rate). Why would anyone want to go down the same road on minimum sentences and three-strikes rules?

  15. Let any political party say whatever it wants to whomever it pleases. ON THEIR OWN FRIGGIN' DIME.

  16. "Forget bribing Quebecers with their own money"

    You mean, "Forget bribing Quebec government drones with their own taxpayers' and other provinces' taxpayers' money". Wordy … but strict accuracy is essential when other people's money is involved (just ask the mint).

    "None of our current political parties has any respect for taxpayer funds."

    I wouldn't go that far. They have tremendous respect for taxpayer funds. Otherwise they wouldn't have dedicated their lives to finding ways to get their grubby little hands on said funds. It's the taxpayers themselves for whom they have contempt.

  17. there seems to be no depths to which these tory clowns won't sink. They are the worst of the worst. absolute scum.

    RCMP researchers combed the databases to determine precisely how many children are abducted by strangers in Canada. Covering a two-year period — 2000 and 2001 — they came up with precisely one such case. At the time, there were 2.9 million children in Canada. So the annual risk to any one child was one in 5.8 million.
    Want to put that in perspective? The average child's annual risk of drowning in a swimming pool is one in 210,526.

    what scumbags….

    • Do you have a link to support your claim about the RCMP researchers?

    • Oh no, a dope-smoker who wants the 'human right' right to blow his marijuana exhaust in other people's faces and to air-lock any and all people in his path doesn't like the Tories! Well surprise, surprise! Even if you forgive the baseless ad-hominem attacks upon which this argument hinges, the sheer invention of unattributed statistics is pretty hard to inhale.
      http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/05/28/

  18. Can someone explain the rules about how these "Parliamentary allocations" can be used to send partisan political messages from MPs outside my riding? I've received several from the Conservatives, and now the Liberals have adopted the same tactic (received two a couple of months back)? I'd like to understand the exact rules so that I can complain intelligently.

    I'm also ready to give my next vote to a party that publicly states they won't use this tactic and change legislation to stop anyone else from doing so either. I support our parties receiving taxpayer funding, but this seems very wrong.

  19. if only the Liberals would not have taken the bait on C-15 and Pot, they would be supportable – right now, tweedle dee and tweedle dum are connected at the bum (CPC LPC)

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