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Harper and Obama announce border deal

Agreement focuses on security and trade


 

At a White House press conference on Friday, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and U.S. President Barack Obama announced a new bilateral agreement on border security and trade. Harper met for an hour with Obama in the Oval Office to discuss the idea of a North American security perimeter that would secure the border while allowing for more open trade. “It is in both of our interests to ensure our common border remains open and efficient,” said Harper, who addressed the White House press conference in English and French, noting that 8-million U.S. jobs are dependent on Canada-U.S. trade and that Canada was the largest and most secure supplier of energy to the United States. The new plan will combat bureaucratic inefficiencies by using modern technology, harmonizing inspection procedures and increasing shared information between the two countries. Harper rejected that the agreement will infringe on Canadian sovereignty, while Obama remarked that the U.S. and Canada “are not simply allies, not simply neighbours,” but “are woven together like perhaps no other two countries in the world.” Opposition critics have accused the Conservative government of having a “secretive” approach on the issue by not debating the terms of the agreement in Question Period.

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Harper and Obama announce border deal

  1. A win win for both countries.

  2. A win win for both countries.

  3. Didn't Mulruney try something like this once. Free Trade Deal??? When history repeats itself, do we notice?

  4. Didn't Mulruney try something like this once. Free Trade Deal??? When history repeats itself, do we notice?

  5. I would like to report the imminent demise of Sovereign Canada (1867-2010) as the result of the establishment of Fortress America. Her demise was perpetrated in secret by a small group of current and former politicians. Journalists were busy covering the entertainment news. Left to mourn her are countless Canadians. Send condolences by way of leaving a small flag at your local war memorial and stand in silence there. Silence because none will have had a voice in our beloved country's demise. At the war memorial to remember all who loved and gave up their life to protect her.

  6. I would like to report the imminent demise of Sovereign Canada (1867-2010) as the result of the establishment of Fortress America. Her demise was perpetrated in secret by a small group of current and former politicians. Journalists were busy covering the entertainment news. Left to mourn her are countless Canadians. Send condolences by way of leaving a small flag at your local war memorial and stand in silence there. Silence because none will have had a voice in our beloved country's demise. At the war memorial to remember all who loved and gave up their life to protect her.

    • The real insult here, is that we're being told that sovereignty is not an issue in this – with a straight face and an very earnest tone.

    • Its so sad….I'm 47 years old….this is my duty to stand up. I lived in the US for 16 years….Homeland Security is a farce…say goodbye to your civil rights Canadians unless you stand up now!!!

    • Canada has existed as a sovereign nation only because of a few quirks of history. The United States would have steamrolled through Canada during the War of 1812, if not for the battlefield heroics of Sir Isaac Brock and Tecumseh, and the fact that all of the states that bordered Canada (New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, etc.) refused to send troops to the US Army. I always marvel at the fact that Thomas Jefferson purchased Louisiana from France instead of Canada from Britain. What was he thinking? It would have been far easier to walk in and seize Louisiana from France than to take Canada, since Andrew Jackson won the battle of New Orleans anyway. But here we are, from sea to sea to sea.

      • I wonder how much he would have had to pay for our few acres of snow.

  7. The real insult here, is that we're being told that sovereignty is not an issue in this – with a straight face and an very earnest tone.

  8. I watched some of Harper's speech on CNN in Washington. At some point he started speaking French. WTF. Were there some unilingual Queberers there? Even if there were, it is still a WTF moment. Talk about desperation to curry votes.

  9. I watched some of Harper's speech on CNN in Washington. At some point he started speaking French. WTF. Were there some unilingual Queberers there? Even if there were, it is still a WTF moment. Talk about desperation to curry votes.

    • Canada is a bilingual nation. Why wouldn't he speak French?

      • Yes, it is a shame that the US networks all cut off the broadcast when he starting speaking French. Had he spoke Spanish, they might have kept up with the feed. I think what Canuckguy is saying "when in Rome….." but Holly you are right. He was speaking French for the benefit of his at home audience.

  10. War Plan Red. First, we send a joint Army-Navy overseas force to capture the port city of Halifax, cutting the Canadians off from their British allies. Then we seize Canadian power plants near Niagara Falls, so they freeze in the dark. Then the U.S. Army invades on three fronts — marching from Vermont to take Montreal and Quebec, charging out of North Dakota to grab the railroad center at Winnipeg, and storming out of the Midwest to capture the strategic nickel mines of Ontario. Meanwhile, the U.S. Navy seizes the Great Lakes and blockades Canada's Atlantic and Pacific ports.
    Final Score: Canada 0, US 51.

  11. War Plan Red. First, we send a joint Army-Navy overseas force to capture the port city of Halifax, cutting the Canadians off from their British allies. Then we seize Canadian power plants near Niagara Falls, so they freeze in the dark. Then the U.S. Army invades on three fronts — marching from Vermont to take Montreal and Quebec, charging out of North Dakota to grab the railroad center at Winnipeg, and storming out of the Midwest to capture the strategic nickel mines of Ontario. Meanwhile, the U.S. Navy seizes the Great Lakes and blockades Canada's Atlantic and Pacific ports.
    Final Score: Canada 0, US 51.

    • Pssst. Fatal error, lol. You forgot that when you cut off the power plants that you, your vehicles and your gunstocks would be solid frozen long before any hardy Canuck would even begin to think of whining. After a Canadian helped you unattach your frozen tongue from your tin ration cup, you would find yourself violently shivering in inappropriate clothing with your neck pinned face down on the snow by a pair of fresh antlers, while begging for a pair of red Olympic woolly mitts for your frozen white fingers. Amused Canucks would be toasting their toes and telling Yank jokes within ear shot around a bush fire while polishing off the hickory roasted meat from a huge tasty deer shank that they killed first try with a hockey puck shot to it's head. Laughing all the while and drinking a snow chilled 5% (yes, 5%) Molson beer IN A BOTTLE, the lovely evening would likely be finished off with a rousing game of snow hockey with frozen bear turds by the light of the moon, wolves howling, and the aurora borealis. If you stopped yapping long enough, they might even let you play.

      • This will be hard to duplicate on Vancouver Island. Do you ship those frozen bear turds?

        • Jan, those turds would thaw out quickly on the island….the smell. Think thru your choice of puck.

      • The stock market crash of 2008 should have made it apparent that when the United States coughs, everybody in the world gets sick. When the Dow Jones crashed in New York City, the TSX in Toronto went tumbling with it, if you recall. The reality is that the United States is the postmodern equivalent of the Roman Empire. Militarily, the United States Army has the ability to invade Normandy, Anzio and North Africa at the same time, something it couldn't do during World War II. Canada and Mexico are to the United States what Provence in southern France or Tuscany in northern Italy were to ancient Rome: squarely within the US sphere of influence. Canada conducts 75 per cent of its trade with the United States, which has been gobbling up Canadian corporations like Pacman since the 1960s. In today's world, ideas like "independence" and "sovereignty" have no reality behind them. Unlike most countries that share a common border, the US and Canada have lived in peace for nearly two centuries. That has been to the benefit of both Canada and the United States, but let us have no illusions as to who is the Senior Partner in this arrangement.

        • Canada, as a staunch Constitutional Monarchy is also serving politically and ideologically under the umbrella of a much bigger club called the Commonwealth of Nations, that little 54 member country/state group of 2 Billion people, whose mission and values are also of paramount import during any decision making. It serves Canada and the U.S. to work together for mutual financial well being.

        • Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II addresses the recent United Nations General Assembly in New York regarding the the Commonwealth of Nations and its mission to lead the world by example. Wonderful speech!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieb9wDkh3tU

      • Mary, this sounds like sooo much fun, I almost hope they do it…..

        • I see you've been to a Canadian bush party or two. I propose that Jan on the Island can use some nice frozen fish from her freezer. Seeing as how KFishwar is punking us here and pulling an Orson Welles, I just had to play along.

          War Plan Red WAS an (almost century old) plan for the United States to make war with Great Britain (the "Red" forces). It was created by the United States Army during the mid 1920s because some American planners thought that Britain's imperial reach would bring it into conflict with the U.S. It was withdrawn in 1939 and replaced with the five 'Rainbow' plans. Canada had a counter-plan called Defence Scheme No. 1, whereby Canadian military officer Lieutenant Colonel James "Buster" Sutherland Brown developed an earlier counterpart to War Plan Red called Defence Scheme No. 1 on April 12, 1921. Maintaining that the best defense was a good offense, "Buster" Brown planned for rapid deployment of flying columns to occupy Seattle, Great Falls, Minneapolis, and Albany. With no hope of holding these objectives, the idea was to divert American troops to the flanks and away from Canada, hopefully long enough for Imperial allies to arrive with reinforcements. Interesting little read on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red#Canadia

    • Sounds more like a Hilteresque plan. Why would propose putting two economies into the financial crapper? If anyone thought about it intelligently, the U.S. would immediately move to hire some Canadian finance and banking gurus and install them south to help construct a solid plan to get their budget in balance as the U.K. recently did, whose newly designed austerity program is projected to have their budget sensibly balance by 2013 – 2015.
      Canada's banking system is properly regulated, and has been declared the soundest in the world multiple years running by the IMF. They've had no default mortgage crises. Their population is covered health care wise. They're not printing money or in any monstrous debt apart from doing their responsible share to help stimulate as a part of the G20. Their jobs and growth are back, and looking very positive. Not only that, but Canadians are decent and always willing to share and help.

    • KF ishwar – I think I saw this movie…but in the version I saw a lady named Laura Secord overhears your plans….

      • As per Mary in Calgary below: War Plan Red WAS an (almost century old) plan for the United States to make war with Great Britain (the “Red” forces). It was created by the United States Army during the mid 1920s because some American planners thought that Britain’s imperial reach would bring it into conflict with the U.S. It was withdrawn in 1939 and replaced with the five ‘Rainbow’ plans. Canada had a counter-plan called Defence Scheme No. 1, whereby Canadian military officer Lieutenant Colonel James “Buster” Sutherland Brown developed an earlier counterpart to War Plan Red called Defence Scheme No. 1 on April 12, 1921. Maintaining that the best defense was a good offense, “Buster” Brown planned for rapid deployment of flying columns to occupy Seattle, Great Falls, Minneapolis, and Albany. With no hope of holding these objectives, the idea was to divert American troops to the flanks and away from Canada, hopefully long enough for Imperial allies to arrive with reinforcements. Interesting little read on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red#Canadia

  12. Pssst. Fatal error, lol. You forgot that when you cut off the power plants that you, your vehicles and your gunstocks would be solid frozen long before any hardy Canuck would even begin to think of whining. After a Canadian helped you unattach your frozen tongue from your tin ration cup, you would find yourself violently shivering in inappropriate clothing with your neck pinned face down on the snow by a pair of fresh antlers, while begging for a pair of red Olympic woolly mitts for your frozen white fingers. Amused Canucks would be toasting their toes and telling Yank jokes within ear shot around a bush fire while polishing off the hickory roasted meat from a huge tasty deer shank that they killed first try with a hockey puck shot to it's head. Laughing all the while and drinking a snow chilled 5% (yes, 5%) Molson beer IN A BOTTLE, the lovely evening would likely be finished off with a rousing game of snow hockey with frozen bear turds by the light of the moon, wolves howling, and the aurora borealis. If you stopped yapping long enough, they might even let you play.

  13. Finally, a PM actually displaying common sense. The wingnuts on the left who hate the Americans so much they can't see straight have no business dictating policy. Those who denigrate the free trade agreement are completely ignorant to reality. Free movement within the EU is possible without loss of 'sovereignty'. It can happen here as well. A central monetary system is a completely different issue. The facts have never mattered to the crazies on the left.

  14. Finally, a PM actually displaying common sense. The wingnuts on the left who hate the Americans so much they can't see straight have no business dictating policy. Those who denigrate the free trade agreement are completely ignorant to reality. Free movement within the EU is possible without loss of 'sovereignty'. It can happen here as well. A central monetary system is a completely different issue. The facts have never mattered to the crazies on the left.

    • Huh, so it's ok to give all our personal information to US Homeland security at the border?

      • No one is forcing you to visit the United States and it remains a sovereign country under this agreement, so yes they can ask you for some personal information, many countries do that.

      • Hey ByeByeCanada, I have news for you – there is a bar in Calgary that photocopies your drivers' license when you come in the door. Turns out is was a breech of privacy under the Freedom of Information Act and when a patron complained to the Provincial Privacy Commnissioner, he told the bar to desist. The bar is fighting it in court. Keep tuned in….. luckily, we can exercise our right not to attend the bar.

    • Roy you have your head up there.
      Canadians cannot be this stupid; although you have shown some are.
      I am a recently retired financier businessman having done business all over the world.
      I am a free enterprise socialist leaning businessman.
      When you spend your life in finance you realize a balance of free enterprise and socialism is the best system.
      Many in business see only the bottom line, and do not consider if what they do is good for the environment or others.

    • Canadians have a land of immense wealth, and Harper wants to hand it to the Americans.
      We want to do business with all the world.
      While Americans are generally good, we see that their leaders have gone off base.

      From bombing Iraq, and Afghanistan, to invading Vietnam, etc. all based on lies.

      Study the history!

      America has become the world terrorist threatening nuclear weapons, and war on all those who oppose them.

      That has been Americas history.

      Canadians have a different history. We have generally not been militeristic and have a kinder society.

      There are those in Canada who have lost their soul to the desire for money, and want to become American.

      To those I say you are better off to move to the USA as I will do everything in my power to oppose you.

      Canada had a better balance of life, and the middle class a decent wage before NAFTA.

      Free trade as practised today has only made the middle class poorer, and the wealthy a lot wealthier. It has been a race to the bottom.

  15. Hopefully this will help reverse some of the post-9/11 damage to Canadian trade. To those that think this is a threat to Canadian sovereignty, lose the tinfoil hat. If the border changes cause problems, we can always revert to the way things used to be. That said it doesn't take a degree in economics to realize that harmonizing border policy with the destination of 80+% of our trade is almost certainly a net benefit from this country.

  16. Hopefully this will help reverse some of the post-9/11 damage to Canadian trade. To those that think this is a threat to Canadian sovereignty, lose the tinfoil hat. If the border changes cause problems, we can always revert to the way things used to be. That said it doesn't take a degree in economics to realize that harmonizing border policy with the destination of 80+% of our trade is almost certainly a net benefit from this country.

    • Its not about trade, it's about civil rights!

      • Americans will still have civil rights under this agreement, you shouldn't fret.

        • Haven't you heard – Obama's a communist – he'll be taking them away as soon as he finishes taking over Egypt.

      • Canadians will still have civil rights under this agreement, you shouldn't fret.

      • On your many trips to the US, Barrack Obama is going to take away your civil rights?

  17. Its so sad….I'm 47 years old….this is my duty to stand up. I lived in the US for 16 years….Homeland Security is a farce…say goodbye to your civil rights Canadians unless you stand up now!!!

  18. Huh, so it's ok to give all our personal information to US Homeland security at the border?

  19. Its not about trade, it's about civil rights!

  20. This will be hard to duplicate on Vancouver Island. Do you ship those frozen bear turds?

  21. Hate to be nit picking on words and things but if I understand what is going on, we do not have a deal. Both the PM and the President have agreed to ''Release the lawyers'' and let them do what lawyers do. We may (or may not) have a deal in a year or two.

  22. Hate to be nit picking on words and things but if I understand what is going on, we do not have a deal. Both the PM and the President have agreed to ''Release the lawyers'' and let them do what lawyers do. We may (or may not) have a deal in a year or two.

    • Anyone know if the framework or whatever it is, which was presented to the business community yesterday has been released?

    • You are so right Andre1958. There is no deal. The truth is that this is a very tough sell in the US as well. There is doubt that this measure will be at all successful in convincing people that this will make the "lax" Canadian borders secure enough.

  23. Anyone know if the framework or whatever it is, which was presented to the business community yesterday has been released?

  24. No one is forcing you to visit the United States and it remains a sovereign country under this agreement, so yes they can ask you for some personal information, many countries do that.

  25. Americans will still have civil rights under this agreement, you shouldn't fret.

  26. Canadians will still have civil rights under this agreement, you shouldn't fret.

  27. Left-wing fear-mongers should worry more about US protectionism, protectionism which comes from American left-wing fear-mongers. That's what rational adults in Canada worry about because it sucks to be unemployed due to closed markets.

  28. Left-wing fear-mongers should worry more about US protectionism, protectionism which comes from American left-wing fear-mongers. That's what rational adults in Canada worry about because it sucks to be unemployed due to closed markets.

    • No one engages in fear-mongering like a right-winger. Right winger are far more protectionists.
      We don't have to close markets. We can have sovereignty and still trade. But our own sovereignty and security comes first.

      • Business people tend to vote conservative. Business people want the markets open so they can sell their wares everywhere. Protectionism means closed markets. I am not sure what business person would want the market closed. Can you give me an example of a case where a conservative would be in favour of protectionism?

        • I am not concerned about conservatives or business people. I am concerned about the country, that is, the people of Canada, or at least, the majority of them.

  29. Haven't you heard – Obama's a communist – he'll be taking them away as soon as he finishes taking over Egypt.

  30. No one engages in fear-mongering like a right-winger. Right winger are far more protectionists.
    We don't have to close markets. We can have sovereignty and still trade. But our own sovereignty and security comes first.

  31. Canada has existed as a sovereign nation only because of a few quirks of history. The United States would have steamrolled through Canada during the War of 1812, if not for the battlefield heroics of Sir Isaac Brock and Tecumseh, and the fact that all of the states that bordered Canada (New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, etc.) refused to send troops to the US Army. I always marvel at the fact that Thomas Jefferson purchased Louisiana from France instead of Canada from Britain. What was he thinking? It would have been far easier to walk in and seize Louisiana from France than to take Canada, since Andrew Jackson won the battle of New Orleans anyway. But here we are, from sea to sea to sea.

  32. The stock market crash of 2008 should have made it apparent that when the United States coughs, everybody in the world gets sick. When the Dow Jones crashed in New York City, the TSX in Toronto went tumbling with it, if you recall. The reality is that the United States is the postmodern equivalent of the Roman Empire. Militarily, the United States Army has the ability to invade Normandy, Anzio and North Africa at the same time, something it couldn't do during World War II. Canada and Mexico are to the United States what Provence in southern France or Tuscany in northern Italy were to ancient Rome: squarely within the US sphere of influence. Canada conducts 75 per cent of its trade with the United States, which has been gobbling up Canadian corporations like Pacman since the 1960s. In today's world, ideas like "independence" and "sovereignty" have no reality behind them. Unlike most countries that share a common border, the US and Canada have lived in peace for nearly two centuries. That has been to the benefit of both Canada and the United States, but let us have no illusions as to who is the Senior Partner in this arrangement.

  33. Accept for a few skirmishes, like the Great Aristook War of 1821, the United States and Canada have been at peace since the end of the War of 1812. This peace has been to the benefit of both countries, which are the two wealthiest nations in the world as a whole, though Sweden and Japan may have higher life expectancies while Switzerland and Austria have higher per capita incomes. Windsor's mayor, Eddie Francis, has pushed hard for a proposed new bridge across the Detroit River called the Detroit River International Crossing. Thankfully, Michigan's new governor, Rick Snyder, has endorsed this proposal. This can only be good for trade, which is the one remedy for war, famine, plague and pestilence. However, my motto shall always remain: Je me souviens. I remember. I will always remember my roots and my heritage. Quebec is my nation while Canada is my country. My role model is Pierre Eliot Trudeau, someone who was comfortably bilingual at a time when too many Canadians were still unilingual.

  34. Accept for a few skirmishes, like the Great Aristook War of 1821, the United States and Canada have been at peace since the end of the War of 1812. This peace has been to the benefit of both countries, which are the two wealthiest nations in the world as a whole, though Sweden and Japan may have higher life expectancies while Switzerland and Austria have higher per capita incomes. Windsor's mayor, Eddie Francis, has pushed hard for a proposed new bridge across the Detroit River called the Detroit River International Crossing. Thankfully, Michigan's new governor, Rick Snyder, has endorsed this proposal. This can only be good for trade, which is the one remedy for war, famine, plague and pestilence. However, my motto shall always remain: Je me souviens. I remember. I will always remember my roots and my heritage. Quebec is my nation while Canada is my country. My role model is Pierre Eliot Trudeau, someone who was comfortably bilingual at a time when too many Canadians were still unilingual.

    • Tony, I am an Albertan and I agree. Anything that opens the border to make trade easier between the two countries is a good thing. To suggest that Obama, a champion for human rights would want to take advantage of Canadian's sovereignty, is ridiculous. There is a perception in the US that security at our borders is lax – regardless that this may be inaccurate,if a joint security initiative can change that perception, what exactly is the harm?

      • Security's political drum is hauled out across the border regularly in spite of the thousands mile long gaping hole than hundreds lope across nightly between Mexico and the U.S. Their big southern border fence has been dustbinned, btw.
        More are coming north now than the other way around if statistics are to be believed.

    • It depends on where you live, Tony. Trudeau decimated the economy out West with his policies, and it took over 20 years to recover. A Canadian leader needs to consider the economic welfare of all regions before they enact policy. No need to wonder, ever, why Conservatives own Alberta every election – while those generations are still alive we will forever be smarting from his over reaching looting of our hard labor. He's certainly not many Westerners role model. Not to mention the switchover to metric that was a bit of a personal thumb at Nixon, and whose eventual conversion of our largest trading partner never materialized across the border as intimated. This conversion created a manufacturer's nightmare in containers and sizing, and allowed them to change their quantities and pricing, and usually in their favor. That's not even mentioning the number of people who still think in farhenheit when they're trying to decide how cold out it is and which jacket to put on. There was nothing wrong with Imperial, but he foisted the french system onto an entire nation when our trade with Europe pales to our trade within North America. If you admire his bilingual rather than unilingual ability, which I agree with as optimum in Canada, then why are English signs forbidden in Quebec?

  35. I wonder how much he would have had to pay for our few acres of snow.

  36. Canada is a bilingual nation. Why wouldn't he speak French?

  37. Roy you have your head up there.
    Canadians cannot be this stupid; although you have shown some are.
    I am a recently retired financier businessman having done business all over the world.
    I am a free enterprise socialist leaning businessman.
    When you spend your life in finance you realize a balance of free enterprise and socialism is the best system.
    Many in business see only the bottom line, and do not consider if what they do is good for the environment or others.

  38. Canadians have a land of immense wealth, and Harper wants to hand it to the Americans.
    We want to do business with all the world.
    While Americans are generally good, we see that their leaders have gone off base.

    From bombing Iraq, and Afghanistan, to invading Vietnam, etc. all based on lies.

    Study the history!

    America has become the world terrorist threatening nuclear weapons, and war on all those who oppose them.

    That has been Americas history.

    Canadians have a different history. We have generally not been militeristic and have a kinder society.

    There are those in Canada who have lost their soul to the desire for money, and want to become American.

    To those I say you are better off to move to the USA as I will do everything in my power to oppose you.

    Canada had a better balance of life, and the middle class a decent wage before NAFTA.

    Free trade as practised today has only made the middle class poorer, and the wealthy a lot wealthier. It has been a race to the bottom.

  39. Sounds more like a Hilteresque plan. Why would propose putting two economies into the financial crapper? If anyone thought about it intelligently, the U.S. would immediately move to hire some Canadian finance and banking gurus and install them south to help construct a solid plan to get their budget in balance as the U.K. recently did, whose newly designed austerity program is projected to have their budget sensibly balance by 2013 – 2015.
    Canada's banking system is properly regulated, and has been declared the soundest in the world multiple years running by the IMF. They've had no default mortgage crises. Their population is covered health care wise. They're not printing money or in any monstrous debt apart from doing their responsible share to help stimulate as a part of the G20. Their jobs and growth are back, and looking very positive. Not only that, but Canadians are decent and always willing to share and help.

  40. Canada, as a staunch Constitutional Monarchy is also serving politically and ideologically under the umbrella of a much bigger club called the Commonwealth of Nations, that little 54 member country/state group of 2 Billion people, whose mission and values are also of paramount import during any decision making. It serves Canada and the U.S. to work together for mutual financial well being.

  41. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II addresses the recent United Nations General Assembly in New York regarding the the Commonwealth of Nations and its mission to lead the world by example. Wonderful speech!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieb9wDkh3tU

  42. Hey ByeByeCanada, I have news for you – there is a bar in Calgary that photocopies your drivers' license when you come in the door. Turns out is was a breech of privacy under the Freedom of Information Act and when a patron complained to the Provincial Privacy Commnissioner, he told the bar to desist. The bar is fighting it in court. Keep tuned in….. luckily, we can exercise our right not to attend the bar.

  43. Tony, I am an Albertan and I agree. Anything that opens the border to make trade easier between the two countries is a good thing. To suggest that Obama, a champion for human rights would want to take advantage of Canadian's sovereignty, is ridiculous. There is a perception in the US that security at our borders is lax – regardless that this may be inaccurate,if a joint security initiative can change that perception, what exactly is the harm?

  44. Business people tend to vote conservative. Business people want the markets open so they can sell their wares everywhere. Protectionism means closed markets. I am not sure what business person would want the market closed. Can you give me an example of a case where a conservative would be in favour of protectionism?

  45. You are so right Andre1958. There is no deal. The truth is that this is a very tough sell in the US as well. There is doubt that this measure will be at all successful in convincing people that this will make the "lax" Canadian borders secure enough.

  46. On your many trips to the US, Barrack Obama is going to take away your civil rights?

  47. Yes, it is a shame that the US networks all cut off the broadcast when he starting speaking French. Had he spoke Spanish, they might have kept up with the feed. I think what Canuckguy is saying "when in Rome….." but Holly you are right. He was speaking French for the benefit of his at home audience.

  48. KF ishwar – I think I saw this movie…but in the version I saw a lady named Laura Secord overhears your plans….

  49. Jan, those turds would thaw out quickly on the island….the smell. Think thru your choice of puck.

  50. Mary, this sounds like sooo much fun, I almost hope they do it…..

  51. I see you've been to a Canadian bush party or two. I propose that Jan on the Island can use some nice frozen fish from her freezer. Seeing as how KFishwar is punking us here and pulling an Orson Welles, I just had to play along.

    War Plan Red WAS an (almost century old) plan for the United States to make war with Great Britain (the "Red" forces). It was created by the United States Army during the mid 1920s because some American planners thought that Britain's imperial reach would bring it into conflict with the U.S. It was withdrawn in 1939 and replaced with the five 'Rainbow' plans. Canada had a counter-plan called Defence Scheme No. 1, whereby Canadian military officer Lieutenant Colonel James "Buster" Sutherland Brown developed an earlier counterpart to War Plan Red called Defence Scheme No. 1 on April 12, 1921. Maintaining that the best defense was a good offense, "Buster" Brown planned for rapid deployment of flying columns to occupy Seattle, Great Falls, Minneapolis, and Albany. With no hope of holding these objectives, the idea was to divert American troops to the flanks and away from Canada, hopefully long enough for Imperial allies to arrive with reinforcements. Interesting little read on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red#Canadia

  52. I am not concerned about conservatives or business people. I am concerned about the country, that is, the people of Canada, or at least, the majority of them.

  53. Roy, if you can name just THREE quality of life indicators for middle class Canadians that have improved, or even stayed the same, since Mulroney brought us free trade, I will concede to your argument. I honestly challenge you to do this. If you do, you better have some sources to back you up….. and just so you know, percentage of households owing a 42" or larger television isn't an acceptable answer.

    And you might want to ask some Brits how being part of the EU is working out for them before you speak for them.

  54. It depends on where you live, Tony. Trudeau decimated the economy out West with his policies, and it took over 20 years to recover. A Canadian leader needs to consider the economic welfare of all regions before they enact policy. No need to wonder, ever, why Conservatives own Alberta every election – while those generations are still alive we will forever be smarting from his over reaching looting of our hard labor. He's certainly not many Westerners role model. Not to mention the switchover to metric that was a bit of a personal thumb at Nixon, and whose eventual conversion of our largest trading partner never materialized across the border as intimated. This conversion created a manufacturer's nightmare in containers and sizing, and allowed them to change their quantities and pricing, and usually in their favor. That's not even mentioning the number of people who still think in farhenheit when they're trying to decide how cold out it is and which jacket to put on. There was nothing wrong with Imperial, but he foisted the french system onto an entire nation when our trade with Europe pales to our trade within North America. If you admire his bilingual rather than unilingual ability, which I agree with as optimum in Canada, then why are English signs forbidden in Quebec?

  55. Security's political drum is hauled out across the border regularly in spite of the thousands mile long gaping hole than hundreds lope across nightly between Mexico and the U.S. Their big southern border fence has been dustbinned, btw.
    More are coming north now than the other way around if statistics are to be believed.

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