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Harper and Obama to discuss border security at Friday meeting

New agreement could transform 49th parallel


 

Prime Minister Stephen Harper will meet with U.S. President Barack Obama in Washington on Friday to discuss the Canada-U.S. border. The discussion will focus on increasing intelligence sharing and harmonizing trade regulations. A prospective new border agreement is expected to ease the passage of goods and services between the two countries while tightening security to deter terrorism. Critics of the new agreement say that such measures will infringe upon Canadian sovereignty while making travel for Canadians more difficult. Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff has accused Harper of hiding the details of his meeting from Canadians and demanded that he “bring this deal back to the House for an open debate before he surrenders Canadian sovereignty.”

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Harper and Obama to discuss border security at Friday meeting

  1. With what is going on in the world today the Americans have every right to tighten up their borders. Unfortunately, like the idiot at the Calgary airport that made an issue of an 80 year old ladies breast prothesis the petty bureaucrats who will carry out the rules can't stop abusing their authority which will further widen the relationship between our two countries. Another win for the terrorists.

  2. With what is going on in the world today the Americans have every right to tighten up their borders. Unfortunately, like the idiot at the Calgary airport that made an issue of an 80 year old ladies breast prothesis the petty bureaucrats who will carry out the rules can't stop abusing their authority which will further widen the relationship between our two countries. Another win for the terrorists.

    • So you have no problem applying for a visa for cross-border shopping?

      • It's ridiculous, applying for a visa to go to the usa!
        and is it going to be the same for the usa to come into canda?

        Americans…are jsut full of themselves and are ashamed tosee that all the security measures they use are not really working and are full of envy to see that Our land "Canada" is such a peaceful place to be!

      • No, I hate the idea. However, as adults one must remember who caused this issue. Chretien and his wingnuts on the left in an infantile fit of pomposity refused to cooperate with the Americans on a continent wide border security arrangement. With the amateurish immigration policies this country adheres to who can blame the Americans for protecting what was once the worlds longest unprotecteed border. There is a time to assert your sovereignty–this ain't it. Even the Europeans are smart enough to understand that. You can believe what you want–I firmly believe if we had have entered into a team agreement to control terrorism this wouldn't be a problem now. In short–blame your federal politicians.

        • I'm not so sure that the outcome today would be substantially different even if Chretien had been more open to some type of continental security agreement, not so sure at all.

          • You could be right—but I don't think so. Our border is/was so open virtually anyone could walk into the States. Unfortunately I believe our immigration and criminal so-called justice systems are so weak the Americans have very little faith in our ability or desire to control our own borders. I remember when Chretien rejected Bush I told my wife this was going to happen. Don't get me wrong–the Americans do plenty to piss me off. So does my wife…I'm still with her. Just for equality–I've been known to infuriate her as well.

          • The Americans have little or no control over their southern border. They have nothing to lecture us on the issue.

          • Our border is/was so open virtually anyone could walk into the States.

            You mean "Our border is/was so open virtually anyone could walk into Canada from anywhere.", no? Whether or not that is/was the case, it is/was the responsibility of the US to allow or deny access to the US from Canada, not Canada's responsibility.

            …Americans have very little faith in our ability or desire to control our own borders…

            That was sort of my main point, that even if Chretien had been more open earlier on, even if Canada had immediately adopted US immigration law and tactics as our own, I'm not convinced that a large enough portion of American lawmakers would have become convinced that we were doing it well enough – and so to a large extent the US would have adopted the exact same laws and policies that we are now faced with, despite our best efforts. We would have been seen to be giving away our sovereignty, we would have spent funds, all to get no reward for our efforts.

            Of course I can't say for sure that things would have turned out that way, I'm just suggesting that there is a significant probability that that would have been the outcome.

  3. So you have no problem applying for a visa for cross-border shopping?

  4. It's ridiculous, applying for a visa to go to the usa!
    and is it going to be the same for the usa to come into canda?

    Americans…are jsut full of themselves and are ashamed tosee that all the security measures they use are not really working and are full of envy to see that Our land "Canada" is such a peaceful place to be!

  5. 85% of our exports go to the US, the less restriction the better.

  6. 85% of our exports go to the US, the less restriction the better.

  7. I would like to wait and hear about more details. Hopefully, it will revert back to just plain Canadian citizenship ID instead of passport. But by hearing recently about avian visa needed (way delayed) for a certain pelican to go back to its home in the US, I am fast losing hope. Considering that there are more Islamic terrorists living in the US, won't we Canadian demand proper documentation from US citizens instead? Have you heard about the Montreal controversial Islamic extremist Imam deported from Canada to Tunisia being found recently in the US – smuggled through Mexico? You wonder whether Bin laden and his mentally sick buddies have not been successfully smuggled to the US. It is kind of suspicious that until now with advance technology, they haven't captured those sickos yet? Are they looking for them at the wrong countries? Isn't it time for them to look those sick guys way closer to their noses? US immigration laws are becoming a big joke. They should stop pretending to have one and stop dictating/criticizing others, if they have no way or will of enforcing their own.

  8. I would like to wait and hear about more details. Hopefully, it will revert back to just plain Canadian citizenship ID instead of passport. But by hearing recently about avian visa needed (way delayed) for a certain pelican to go back to its home in the US, I am fast losing hope. Considering that there are more Islamic terrorists living in the US, won't we Canadian demand proper documentation from US citizens instead? Have you heard about the Montreal controversial Islamic extremist Imam deported from Canada to Tunisia being found recently in the US – smuggled through Mexico? You wonder whether Bin laden and his mentally sick buddies have not been successfully smuggled to the US. It is kind of suspicious that until now with advance technology, they haven't captured those sickos yet? Are they looking for them at the wrong countries? Isn't it time for them to look those sick guys way closer to their noses? US immigration laws are becoming a big joke. They should stop pretending to have one and stop dictating/criticizing others, if they have no way or will of enforcing their own.

    • Every once in a while Ariadne, you amaze me. In a good way. like now.

      • Thanks…

  9. Every once in a while Ariadne, you amaze me. In a good way. like now.

  10. No, I hate the idea. However, as adults one must remember who caused this issue. Chretien and his wingnuts on the left in an infantile fit of pomposity refused to cooperate with the Americans on a continent wide border security arrangement. With the amateurish immigration policies this country adheres to who can blame the Americans for protecting what was once the worlds longest unprotecteed border. There is a time to assert your sovereignty–this ain't it. Even the Europeans are smart enough to understand that. You can believe what you want–I firmly believe if we had have entered into a team agreement to control terrorism this wouldn't be a problem now. In short–blame your federal politicians.

  11. I'm not so sure that the outcome today would be substantially different even if Chretien had been more open to some type of continental security agreement, not so sure at all.

  12. It isn't only border security that's up for discussion. We should be very wary. Is Canada going to end being – as sovereign as possible, under the circumstances? If we let Harper lead us down that path we will regret it.

    It's just another step toward deep integration and I oppose it. And furthermore, the U.S. cannot handle its border problems with Mexico, so why should we think they can tell us how to deal with our borders?

  13. It isn't only border security that's up for discussion. We should be very wary. Is Canada going to end being – as sovereign as possible, under the circumstances? If we let Harper lead us down that path we will regret it.

    It's just another step toward deep integration and I oppose it. And furthermore, the U.S. cannot handle its border problems with Mexico, so why should we think they can tell us how to deal with our borders?

  14. You could be right—but I don't think so. Our border is/was so open virtually anyone could walk into the States. Unfortunately I believe our immigration and criminal so-called justice systems are so weak the Americans have very little faith in our ability or desire to control our own borders. I remember when Chretien rejected Bush I told my wife this was going to happen. Don't get me wrong–the Americans do plenty to piss me off. So does my wife…I'm still with her. Just for equality–I've been known to infuriate her as well.

  15. The Americans have little or no control over their southern border. They have nothing to lecture us on the issue.

  16. Our border is/was so open virtually anyone could walk into the States.

    You mean "Our border is/was so open virtually anyone could walk into Canada from anywhere.", no? Whether or not that is/was the case, it is/was the responsibility of the US to allow or deny access to the US from Canada, not Canada's responsibility.

    …Americans have very little faith in our ability or desire to control our own borders…

    That was sort of my main point, that even if Chretien had been more open earlier on, even if Canada had immediately adopted US immigration law and tactics as our own, I'm not convinced that a large enough portion of American lawmakers would have become convinced that we were doing it well enough – and so to a large extent the US would have adopted the exact same laws and policies that we are now faced with, despite our best efforts. We would have been seen to be giving away our sovereignty, we would have spent funds, all to get no reward for our efforts.

    Of course I can't say for sure that things would have turned out that way, I'm just suggesting that there is a significant probability that that would have been the outcome.

  17. They are taking about a visa American Customs will hold up the Visa form at there disposal for a minimum of 2 hours. They are always on a power trip with regular Canadians and they could not care less to who or what your circumstances are.The government officials should try and see what kind of bull the US customs pull of with trying to get a Visa into the country

  18. They are taking about a visa American Customs will hold up the Visa form at there disposal for a minimum of 2 hours. They are always on a power trip with regular Canadians and they could not care less to who or what your circumstances are.The government officials should try and see what kind of bull the US customs pull of with trying to get a Visa into the country

  19. Thanks…

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