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Harper sought “co-opposition” in 2004: Flanagan

Former senior aide to Harper contradicts his former boss on coalition issue


 

Tom Flanagan, the former Tory campaign manager and key advisor to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, said on Monday that the 2004 “co-opposition” arrangement between his former boss and the leaders of the NDP and Bloc Québécois was seen back then as a potential path to a Tory minority that would not need Canadians’ approval. While Flanagan insisted that the deal was a “perfectly legitimate exercise” that did not constitute a formal coalition, his comments do raise questions about Harper’s effort to brand the opposition parties as coalition-seekers. A 2004 letter addressed to Adrienne Clarkson and co-signed by Harper, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe urged the then Governor General to consider all options before allowing Liberal PM Paul Martin to call a general election. “We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation,” read the letter. “We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise, this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority.”

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Harper sought “co-opposition” in 2004: Flanagan

  1. I love Tom Flanagan.

  2. I love Tom Flanagan.

    • I don't: but I enjoy watching conservatives stab each other in the back.

  3. Prime Minister do you remember on December 16th 2003 when you cheated, deceived, lied and back-stabbed the PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE members by signing up the reformers in the PC Party and voting twice both as reformers at Reform party and as PC members at PC party?

    Do you remember the following day on December 17th with Peter (no merger candidate) MacKay both of you ran to the offices of elections Canada and got Kinsley to open the office and break the laws of Parliament of Canada to merge the 2 parties without the 30 days cooling off period necessary by elections Canada ACT?

    You see, the foundation of your Neo Cons party was built on cheating, lies and deceit and you never stopped till today. Still you are doing the same.

    Your misery hasn't started yet and when eventually you lose your own seat and history judges you, you will be synonymous with everything bad and the worse Prime Minister Canada ever had.

    The final thing you need to remember is you went through the backdoor to get the party made and you did not care about what the PC Party members wanted and therefore you stacked the ridings with Canadian Alliance members. Therefore since the PC members never had a say the PC party should be around today.

  4. "You don't try and form a government if you lost the election. That is not legitimate,” Mr. Harper said on Saturday, moments after meeting with Gov. Gen. David Johnston…If Canadians elect the other party, even by a minority, you respect that judgment. It is illegitimate to attempt to overturn that. And if you want to overturn it, you go back to the people and get a mandate to do so.”

    Harper is either a bald faced liar, or badly misinformed on the nature of our Parliamentary conventions.

    My respect for Flanagan just went up exponentially. There must have been a big temptation to either dissemble or outright fib. Good on him.

  5. "You don't try and form a government if you lost the election. That is not legitimate,” Mr. Harper said on Saturday, moments after meeting with Gov. Gen. David Johnston…If Canadians elect the other party, even by a minority, you respect that judgment. It is illegitimate to attempt to overturn that. And if you want to overturn it, you go back to the people and get a mandate to do so.”

    Harper is either a bald faced liar, or badly misinformed on the nature of our Parliamentary conventions.

    My respect for Flanagan just went up exponentially. There must have been a big temptation to either dissemble or outright fib. Good on him.

    • Ever met him? One cool, acerbically funny dude.

  6. Prime Minister do you remember on December 16th 2003 when you cheated, deceived, lied and back-stabbed the PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE members by signing up the reformers in the PC Party and voting twice both as reformers at Reform party and as PC members at PC party?

    Do you remember the following day on December 17th with Peter (no merger candidate) MacKay both of you ran to the offices of elections Canada and got Kinsley to open the office and break the laws of Parliament of Canada to merge the 2 parties without the 30 days cooling off period necessary by elections Canada ACT?

    You see, the foundation of your Neo Cons party was built on cheating, lies and deceit and you never stopped till today. Still you are doing the same.

    Your misery hasn't started yet and when eventually you lose your own seat and history judges you, you will be synonymous with everything bad and the worse Prime Minister Canada ever had.

    The final thing you need to remember is you went through the backdoor to get the party made and you did not care about what the PC Party members wanted and therefore you stacked the ridings with Canadian Alliance members. Therefore since the PC members never had a say the PC party should be around today.

    this is what needs to be reported.

  7. Prime Minister do you remember on December 16th 2003 when you cheated, deceived, lied and back-stabbed the PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE members by signing up the reformers in the PC Party and voting twice both as reformers at Reform party and as PC members at PC party?

    Do you remember the following day on December 17th with Peter (no merger candidate) MacKay both of you ran to the offices of elections Canada and got Kinsley to open the office and break the laws of Parliament of Canada to merge the 2 parties without the 30 days cooling off period necessary by elections Canada ACT?

    You see, the foundation of your Neo Cons party was built on cheating, lies and deceit and you never stopped till today. Still you are doing the same.

    Your misery hasn't started yet and when eventually you lose your own seat and history judges you, you will be synonymous with everything bad and the worse Prime Minister Canada ever had.

    The final thing you need to remember is you went through the backdoor to get the party made and you did not care about what the PC Party members wanted and therefore you stacked the ridings with Canadian Alliance members. Therefore since the PC members never had a say the PC party should be around today.

    this is what needs to be reported.

  8. Ever met him? One cool, acerbically funny dude.

  9. I think the Harper Regime is in danger of exceeding their one lie per day limit.

  10. I think the Harper Regime is in danger of exceeding their one lie per day limit.

    • And here I thought that was a minimum, not a maximum…

  11. Well, this won't surprise anyone, but I just listened to Tom Flanagan on the taxpayer funded Liberal party television station, the CBC, and Flanagan said that he didn't say what the media have quoted him as saying. What!!? The Liberal party media lying their arses off to try and get the Liberal/Separatists "back to power"?!? Not in the "just society"… the media lying and shilling for the Liberals and Separatists… nuh uh, no way… That would make the media a pack of lying, cheating, Liberal party activists and that wouldn't be fair or ethical…

  12. Well, this won't surprise anyone, but I just listened to Tom Flanagan on the taxpayer funded Liberal party television station, the CBC, and Flanagan said that he didn't say what the media have quoted him as saying. What!!? The Liberal party media lying their arses off to try and get the Liberal/Separatists "back to power"?!? Not in the "just society"… the media lying and shilling for the Liberals and Separatists… nuh uh, no way… That would make the media a pack of lying, cheating, Liberal party activists and that wouldn't be fair or ethical…

    • You bet your sweet bippy they are! They twist logic beyond all recognition!

    • Typical right wing anger at the only press the tories dont own and cant control. The CBC represents ALL Canadians, you represent 30%… and …that really bugs you doesn't it?
      The tory controlled CTV is your favorite station because you can listen to the made up news and made up polls that suit you and makes you feel good about yourself. Reminder…The CTV supplies more Conservative Senators than any other company is Canada. Pam Whallin, Mike Duffy, MP Bev Oda and to boot…Ben Mulroney!!! CTV reporters dont aspire to be great reporters, they aspire to be tory Senators.

      • Aren't you the same nit-wit who thinks that Pierre Trudeaus CRTC is right wing?

  13. Tom, I always thought you were a dick, probably due to my extreme anti-Harper bias and seeing you were his right hand at one time. But I gotta admit, *some* of your commonsensical comments strike a positive chord. You don't appear to be a systematic spinner like a lot of the Harper pawns. Bravo. Keep it real yo.

  14. Tom, I always thought you were a dick, probably due to my extreme anti-Harper bias and seeing you were his right hand at one time. But I gotta admit, *some* of your commonsensical comments strike a positive chord. You don't appear to be a systematic spinner like a lot of the Harper pawns. Bravo. Keep it real yo.

  15. Trying to compare the well trusted Harper and his MP's to the illiterate bunch of bums of the former ledless liberal crooks , is hilarious! If Harper had decided to do something, the people trust him, a far step away from wondering what scam, the liberals would be pulling. Tis why we will be giving Harper the Majority, hopefully without quebec, or that ruins it again. I shiver to think, they are going to jump on the bandwagon, again! Like we need, that bankrupt ludicrous Nation wannabe!

  16. Trying to compare the well trusted Harper and his MP's to the illiterate bunch of bums of the former ledless liberal crooks , is hilarious! If Harper had decided to do something, the people trust him, a far step away from wondering what scam, the liberals would be pulling. Tis why we will be giving Harper the Majority, hopefully without quebec, or that ruins it again. I shiver to think, they are going to jump on the bandwagon, again! Like we need, that bankrupt ludicrous Nation wannabe!

  17. Pierre's father owned a chain of gas stations in Quebec which he sold to Petro Fina prior to WWII. As payment, Pierre's dad got a lot of shares in Petro Fina. This sale made Pierre Trudeau heir to a sizeable fortune. Pierre's dad died leaving his fortune to his wife.

    In the 1970's the Arabs jacked up the price of oil and the Canadian government under Pierre Trudeau decided it needed a national "toy" oil company, i.e. Petro Canada. The boys in Ottawa decided they needed a chain of gas stations in their "toy" oil company. Petro Fina owned a chain of gas stations in eastern Canada. The stock was trading at about 10 bucks. The government began negotiations with Petro Fina and its stock rose and rose and rose. Finally, the government closed the Petro Fina deal, got the chain of gas stations, paid Petro Fina big dollars and our government got more debt.

    Mrs. Trudeau got rich on the shares she held and Pierre was very happy to see his Momma get rich because he was the heir of her estate. A number of years later, Momma died and Pierre got rich too.

    The documents concerning the sale were sealed for fifty years as state secret.

    Pierre Trudeau, our CBC created national hero, was a crook.

  18. The lies are all on the left. Here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkdXycwDUxA&fe

    Anybody who cannot accept this is just being political and obfuscation hacks. Don't give me the crap about 1997 vid either. That was unite the right before an election, to run in an election, not after an election to seize power. I cannot believe how obtuse and destructive the Liberal press and their followers are being. This country is going to hell in a hand basket and YOU liberals are to blame. All because you are not the party in power.

  19. The lies are all on the left. Here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkdXycwDUxA&fe

    Anybody who cannot accept this is just being political and obfuscation hacks. Don't give me the crap about 1997 vid either. That was unite the right before an election, to run in an election, not after an election to seize power. I cannot believe how obtuse and destructive the Liberal press and their followers are being. This country is going to hell in a hand basket and YOU liberals are to blame. All because you are not the party in power.

    • You are right sir… the media are as corrupt and malicious as the Liberals and Separatists they shill for.

      • Tories are the party of 'angry white men'. Keep the ignorance coming please so Canadians can get a real good look at a real Tory… you're all falling apart and its only day 4!

    • You keep posting that video, but it doesn't disprove much. Harper has said ANY arrangement to take power from the frontrunner is "illegitimate", ESP. if in involves the Bloc. Yet he had his own arrangement with the Bloc in 2004. Regardless of the mechanics of the deal – whether you call it a coalition or something else – THERE WAS AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE BLOC. That means illegitimacy is fine as long as he is the one who benefits.

      As to "This country is going to hell in a hand basket and YOU liberals are to blame." How do you figure? Harper is the one who has been calling the shots these past five years.

      • It was doing fine till your a$$hole leader wanted to pad his resume! I accept the fact that Harper will not get a majority. Thus we will be headed to hell for sure when the unholy trinity of socialism seizes control. You are complicit. I hold you equally responsible! Brainless twit.

        • I'm not so much pro-anyone as I am anti-Harper. The man broke two of his election planks with his very first act as PM*, and has continued to break the majority of them since. So I don't trust him and I think anyone who unquestioningly follows him is a fool.

          An aside: can you please use some other moniker? You make the rest of us newfs look bad.

          * 1) His promise not to appoint senators (appointed Michael Fortier to the Senate in order to allow him, as a non-elected person, to sit in Cabinet)

          2) His promise that he would not allow members to cross the floor and sit as CPC MPs if elected under another party's banner (inspired by his outrage over Belinda Stronach's defection to the Liberals for a Minister's position, during the previous Martin government). Harper similarly enticed Liberal David Emerson to switch sides for a Cabinet seat.

  20. You bet your sweet bippy they are! They twist logic beyond all recognition!

  21. Can't be any worse than Harper, for we all know he is a pawn for Big Oil.

  22. Can't be any worse than Harper, for we all know he is a pawn for Big Oil.

  23. Great post!! Trudeau was a slimy crook, a complete fraud artist. Trudeau is lucky he has a compliant media who worship him like a cult. You can bet there are plenty of other documents illustrating what a crook Trudeau was too… whether we ever see or hear about them is also a "State secret". The Trudeauvian State (formally Canada) is as corrupt as the countries fancy pants Pierre worshipped, like China or Cuba or Soviet Russia.

  24. Great post!! Trudeau was a slimy crook, a complete fraud artist. Trudeau is lucky he has a compliant media who worship him like a cult. You can bet there are plenty of other documents illustrating what a crook Trudeau was too… whether we ever see or hear about them is also a "State secret". The Trudeauvian State (formally Canada) is as corrupt as the countries fancy pants Pierre worshipped, like China or Cuba or Soviet Russia.

    • LOL, the panty lovers, who worshipped their pedophile can't accept da truth eh? And never will. Just to many of these idiots in Canada for the Country to ever be somebody. Tis why we are joining the U.S

  25. You are right sir… the media are as corrupt and malicious as the Liberals and Separatists they shill for.

  26. I don't: but I enjoy watching conservatives stab each other in the back.

  27. Flanagan lost all respect when he called for the assination of another human being! That's the true spirit of a tory! Keep the exposure coming!!

  28. Flanagan lost all respect when he called for the assination of another human being! That's the true spirit of a tory! Keep the exposure coming!!

    • He sure revealed his true colors that time didn't he ?

    • You mean like when Liberal party thug and CBC employee Scott Reid called for Harper to be killed… "Kill him, kill him dead"- Scott (popcorn and beer) Reid. The only thing being exposed is your hypocrisy.

    • Oh I don't know. Seems pandering isn't the answer. Maybe a bit of thinning would be an idea. Considering, its probably what liberal pandering has led us to.

  29. Typical right wing anger at the only press the tories dont own and cant control. The CBC represents ALL Canadians, you represent 30%… and …that really bugs you doesn't it?
    The tory controlled CTV is your favorite station because you can listen to the made up news and made up polls that suit you and makes you feel good about yourself. Reminder…The CTV supplies more Conservative Senators than any other company is Canada. Pam Whallin, Mike Duffy, MP Bev Oda and to boot…Ben Mulroney!!! CTV reporters dont aspire to be great reporters, they aspire to be tory Senators.

  30. Tories are the party of 'angry white men'. Keep the ignorance coming please so Canadians can get a real good look at a real Tory… you're all falling apart and its only day 4!

  31. Tories are the party of 'angry white men'. Keep the ignorance coming please so Canadians can get a real good look at a real Tory… you're all falling apart and its only day 4!

  32. And here I thought that was a minimum, not a maximum…

  33. You keep posting that video, but it doesn't disprove much. Harper has said ANY arrangement to take power from the frontrunner is "illegitimate", ESP. if in involves the Bloc. Yet he had his own arrangement with the Bloc in 2004. Regardless of the mechanics of the deal – whether you call it a coalition or something else – THERE WAS AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE BLOC. That means illegitimacy is fine as long as he is the one who benefits.

    As to "This country is going to hell in a hand basket and YOU liberals are to blame." How do you figure? Harper is the one who has been calling the shots these past five years.

  34. Do you mean the Pierre Trudeau who's been out of politics for more than 25 years now, 10 of those due to his passing on in 2000? Time to find a new nemesis, friend.
    P.S. Tom Flanagan. This post was primarily about Tom Flanagan.

  35. Do you mean the Pierre Trudeau who's been out of politics for more than 25 years now, 10 of those due to his passing on in 2000? Time to find a new nemesis, friend.
    P.S. Tom Flanagan. This post was primarily about Tom Flanagan.

    • (eye roll)

      • ( inertia)

  36. He sure revealed his true colors that time didn't he ?

  37. It was doing fine till your a$$hole leader wanted to pad his resume! I accept the fact that Harper will not get a majority. Thus we will be headed to hell for sure when the unholy trinity of socialism seizes control. You are complicit. I hold you equally responsible! Brainless twit.

  38. I'm not so much pro-anyone as I am anti-Harper. The man broke two of his election planks with his very first act as PM*, and has continued to break the majority of them since. So I don't trust him and I think anyone who unquestioningly follows him is a fool.

    An aside: can you please use some other moniker? You make the rest of us newfs look bad.

    * 1) His promise not to appoint senators (appointed Michael Fortier to the Senate in order to allow him, as a non-elected person, to sit in Cabinet)

    2) His promise that he would not allow members to cross the floor and sit as CPC MPs if elected under another party's banner (inspired by his outrage over Belinda Stronach's defection to the Liberals for a Minister's position, during the previous Martin government). Harper similarly enticed Liberal David Emerson to switch sides for a Cabinet seat.

  39. The Guardian had it right in their 2008 article entitled "THE CANADIAN NIXON"
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/

    And this was written BEFORE the Liar was found in CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT (Nixon was found in Contempt of Congress under Article 3)

  40. Aren't you the same nit-wit who thinks that Pierre Trudeaus CRTC is right wing?

  41. You mean like when Liberal party thug and CBC employee Scott Reid called for Harper to be killed… "Kill him, kill him dead"- Scott (popcorn and beer) Reid. The only thing being exposed is your hypocrisy.

  42. (eye roll)

  43. ( inertia)

  44. Harper has reached a new low. He is regularly being caught in his lies. His solution spin more lies. A dark chapter in Canadian politics.

  45. Harper has reached a new low. He is regularly being caught in his lies. His solution spin more lies. A dark chapter in Canadian politics.

  46. But! Would you not prefer "angry white men" or, "any kind of white man", to "Arabian (——) men? Frenchmen? etc? You get my level of historical knowledge? Or even present current events?
    JEEZ, come to think of it, I fully apoligize for once being a liberal. Embarrassing. Considering, now they want another panty leading turdeau!! lol

  47. But! Would you not prefer "angry white men" or, "any kind of white man", to "Arabian (——) men? Frenchmen? etc? You get my level of historical knowledge? Or even present current events?
    JEEZ, come to think of it, I fully apoligize for once being a liberal. Embarrassing. Considering, now they want another panty leading turdeau!! lol

  48. Oh I don't know. Seems pandering isn't the answer. Maybe a bit of thinning would be an idea. Considering, its probably what liberal pandering has led us to.

  49. LOL, the panty lovers, who worshipped their pedophile can't accept da truth eh? And never will. Just to many of these idiots in Canada for the Country to ever be somebody. Tis why we are joining the U.S

  50. Mr. Harper has clearly stated that a coalition that assumes power over the party that won the most seats is illegitimate as it goes against the mandate that the voting public produced. If Mr. Harper is sincere about this then, if the public votes and produces a minority government for the CPC that is just shy of a majority (i.e. short by couple of seats) will he accept the results and completely rule out any attempt to lure opposition MP's to cross the floor, or accept any opposition MP's looking to ‘defect' to the CPC, and rule out inviting Helena Guergis back into caucus? As any attempt to do so would be considered illegitimate based on Mr. Harper's statement that it is undemocratic to go against the mandate produced by the voting public.

  51. Mr. Harper has clearly stated that a coalition that assumes power over the party that won the most seats is illegitimate as it goes against the mandate that the voting public produced. If Mr. Harper is sincere about this then, if the public votes and produces a minority government for the CPC that is just shy of a majority (i.e. short by couple of seats) will he accept the results and completely rule out any attempt to lure opposition MP's to cross the floor, or accept any opposition MP's looking to ‘defect' to the CPC, and rule out inviting Helena Guergis back into caucus? As any attempt to do so would be considered illegitimate based on Mr. Harper's statement that it is undemocratic to go against the mandate produced by the voting public.

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