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Ignatieff stands by candidate who made ‘disgraceful’ sexual assault comments

John Reilly apologizes and will remain a Liberal candidate


 

Liberal candidate and former provincial judge John Reilly will remain a candidate despite making “unacceptable” and “disgraceful” comments about sexual assault and women in a recent radio interview. Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has said that he accepted Reilly’s apology. Said Ignatieff, “He made one remark he’s going to regret for the rest of his life, he’s made an unreserved apology, I’ve accepted it, and on those grounds he can continue as a candidate, basically because we’re looking at a man’s life.” The comments in question occurred in a radio show interview where Reilly made the comment: “Well, you know, there are sexual assaults and there are sexual assaults.” Reilly is running for election in the Wildrose riding in Alberta.

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Ignatieff stands by candidate who made ‘disgraceful’ sexual assault comments

  1. How does he decide to let them go or stay? fire them on even days keep them on odd?

  2. How does he decide to let them go or stay? fire them on even days keep them on odd?

  3. "Featherheads, sexual assault is not sexual assault…"

    Who has the hidden agenda now? :P

    (facetious, people, please; no letters)

  4. "Featherheads, sexual assault is not sexual assault…"

    Who has the hidden agenda now? :P

    (facetious, people, please; no letters)

  5. Wanted to read the full report before making judgment. Appears he was set up. I'm not advocating what he said was ok. Its such a delicate issue. He was making a point of rape at knifepoint to 2 people knowing each other, both drunk, one thinking it was consensual, there was foreplay, told to stop and to leave and did stop and leave. What he says is that person shouldn't be sentenced to hard time the way Col. Russell Williams was. The fact that he apologzied, unlike every Conservative that's been caught, has never apologized – they believe they are above decency. There's a difference here in attitudes, maturity. Stupid comment – absolutely. From his perspective and what he's witnessed on the bench dealing with crime…who knows. Willing to admit it….priceless. If it happens again I'd definitely want him out. Until then…Harper & his misfits need to go and go quickly.

  6. Wanted to read the full report before making judgment. Appears he was set up. I'm not advocating what he said was ok. Its such a delicate issue. He was making a point of rape at knifepoint to 2 people knowing each other, both drunk, one thinking it was consensual, there was foreplay, told to stop and to leave and did stop and leave. What he says is that person shouldn't be sentenced to hard time the way Col. Russell Williams was. The fact that he apologzied, unlike every Conservative that's been caught, has never apologized – they believe they are above decency. There's a difference here in attitudes, maturity. Stupid comment – absolutely. From his perspective and what he's witnessed on the bench dealing with crime…who knows. Willing to admit it….priceless. If it happens again I'd definitely want him out. Until then…Harper & his misfits need to go and go quickly.

    • I can see what he's getting at certainly, but he could have said "All sexual assault is serious but of course some will carry a stiffer jail sentence." In fact, he could have tied it into the problems with mandatory minimums. Opportunity lost.

      • I think that's actually what he was trying to get at, but was not terribly well-spoken. He's not a career politician used to watching every word that comes out of his mouth, and so he wasn't as politically correct as some might like. But his point, when taken in context, is valid: there is a wide range of behaviour that falls under sexual assault (and many other crimes), and thus there also needs to be a wide range of options with sentencing. He thinks minimum sentencing, as proposed by the CPCfor many such crimes, is not good for the justice system – and that the money they wan to spend on more prisons would be better spent on alternatives.

        At least, that's what I took away from a read of the transcript.

        I can see why Iggy would keep him, as opposed to the guy who uttered the racist comments. The judge just got nailed with a "gotcha!" sound bite that did not reflect the true nature of his intent when taken in context.

  7. If you touch a girl's rear on a bus it could be construed as sexual assault.

  8. If you touch a girl's rear on a bus it could be construed as sexual assault.

    • I always wait till they are off the bus too.

    • It could easily meet the technical definition, yes. And if the state decides to go to the wall and prosecute you for it, you should get a lot lighter sentence than somebody who rapes at knifepoint. I should think that would be obvious.

  9. Stay on course, Mr. Ignatieff. The issue has been dealt with.

  10. Stay on course, Mr. Ignatieff. The issue has been dealt with.

  11. Reilly is not a good choice for candidate. He has shot off his mouth about various things over the year and is being sued for libel:
    http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Remington+Judge

    He hasn't been sued as often as Ezra Levant but they are both drama clowns.

  12. Reilly is not a good choice for candidate. He has shot off his mouth about various things over the year and is being sued for libel:
    http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Remington+Judge

    He hasn't been sued as often as Ezra Levant but they are both drama clowns.

    • With respect. I have attended a talk from Judge Reilly in which he explained his position on what was talked about in the book. Specifically, that the investigations were intentionally superficial (apparently a Calgary Herald investigation conducted at the same time found all of the evidence he was looking for), and that he was forced out for trying to help the native community.

      And, since the crowd was almost entirely natives from around Calgary who completely agreed with him, I'm inclined to believe what he is claiming.

      As for the sexual assault thing, he probably could have phrased it better but ultimately the message is that crime lives in shades of grey, and so should justice.

      • I know people from the First Nation he is involved with; he got mixed into dirty politics there and took sides, which a judge should know better than to do; and he repeated lies about decent people.

        He may have good ideas about the justice system; but he is trustworthy.

        • Oops, I meant to write "He may have good ideas about the justice system; but he is NOT trustworthy."

          • Oda-riffic correction, Holly! LOL!

        • So, you're saying his claims about corruption, nepotism, and familial oligarchy on reserves are fabrications? Like I said, the audience was primarily first nations (and non-native healthcare workers), and they seemed to agree with what he was saying.

  13. I always wait till they are off the bus too.

  14. We don't care who Iggy talks into running with him. Jeez it must be tough finding anyone. I mean corderre??? lolol
    We are all Harper supporters anyhow. God how he guided Canada through that scare. The World consults him now, while cretin still only has the triads!

  15. We don't care who Iggy talks into running with him. Jeez it must be tough finding anyone. I mean corderre??? lolol
    We are all Harper supporters anyhow. God how he guided Canada through that scare. The World consults him now, while cretin still only has the triads!

    • you are an idiot!

  16. I would like to ask a question to all of the usual harper haters on this web forum : and please at least try to be honest with yourselves = What if this were a CPC numbnut judge and running for the CPC – imagine the comments here what do you think they would be like?before you thumb me down be honest now. This judge completes the narrative of the LPT being soft on crime read the details folks it is all there he was not setup he was not anything except what I call a whoopie goldberg Liberal – you see there is rape and there is rape …. good grief folks NO MEANS NO ! case closed – this is ridiculous especially if someone is asleep or passed out and it doesn't matter what object yyou put inside another person without their full awareness and consent – I would like to ask any woman out theer to comment on this one .. good grief even trying to justify this one just perpetuates the idea that any of this could in any way be permissible – this judge should be thrown under the bus faster than they threw Dion under.

  17. I would like to ask a question to all of the usual harper haters on this web forum : and please at least try to be honest with yourselves = What if this were a CPC numbnut judge and running for the CPC – imagine the comments here what do you think they would be like?before you thumb me down be honest now. This judge completes the narrative of the LPT being soft on crime read the details folks it is all there he was not setup he was not anything except what I call a whoopie goldberg Liberal – you see there is rape and there is rape …. good grief folks NO MEANS NO ! case closed – this is ridiculous especially if someone is asleep or passed out and it doesn't matter what object yyou put inside another person without their full awareness and consent – I would like to ask any woman out theer to comment on this one .. good grief even trying to justify this one just perpetuates the idea that any of this could in any way be permissible – this judge should be thrown under the bus faster than they threw Dion under.

    • A judge would have had the expertise to word his response properly, in legal terms, and so the mistake would be worse.

    • whoops didn't realize he was a provincial judge! yes it's a gaffe in the wording, but it's not wrong.

      • I've read something he wrote years ago and thought he was a poor writer and possibly not that bright.

    • Reilly walked into 'it.' He should have considered his words more carefully. He's not the only one who has 'shot his face off ' in this election. I don't have a big deal with anyone who figuratively shoots themselves in the foot. My problem is _not_ with the conservative party of Canada. My problem is plain and simple. Stephen Harper is a liar. He has lied to the people of Canada a great many times and I find it reprehensible. Last election, he promised pay equity for women. 3 months after the election he told _his_ party "The law stays as it is,' even though his own party had brought a plan forward called proactive pay rates that would have brought woman's pay rates within a few percent of men over a few years. Mr Harper has said he's 'concerned' about the high rates Canadians pay for Cable, Cell, Data, Meanwhile… his Conservative committee members of the CRTC actively blocked and suborned any opportunity for a vote on rationalizing the fee rates using the infamous 'playbook.' THAT is why I'll vote anyone else but Harper. He's a despicable liar.

  18. – Stands by candidate (metaphorically) who sounds OK with sexual assualts …the "ok" kind that is

    – Stands by….physically shoulder to shoulder at a rally, a Candidate who is charged with the criminal offence of failing to take a breathlizer

    – Denounces "comments" made by an apparent racist, but oddly stands mute about the fact that this candidate is the FOUNDER OF A WHITE SUPREMIST organization, a fact known for some time.

    These aren't hangers on, or former party members, by the way. These people are the hopeful government members. MPs for parliament.

    Now….back to hyperventilating in headline after headline about decades old charges against someone not even in government, let alone the CPC caucus…so say's our completely out of touch, leftist media, determined to take Harper down a peg.

  19. – Stands by candidate (metaphorically) who sounds OK with sexual assualts …the "ok" kind that is

    – Stands by….physically shoulder to shoulder at a rally, a Candidate who is charged with the criminal offence of failing to take a breathlizer

    – Denounces "comments" made by an apparent racist, but oddly stands mute about the fact that this candidate is the FOUNDER OF A WHITE SUPREMIST organization, a fact known for some time.

    These aren't hangers on, or former party members, by the way. These people are the hopeful government members. MPs for parliament.

    Now….back to hyperventilating in headline after headline about decades old charges against someone not even in government, let alone the CPC caucus…so say's our completely out of touch, leftist media, determined to take Harper down a peg.

    • I'll take that challenge:
      4 people in the PMO under investigation by the RCMP over the "in and Out" payment scheme that helped put Mr Harper in power.
      A former adviser to the PM charged over lobbying.
      A _Minister_ using his public office and material to pursue party-political goals of courting ethnic vote banks for the conservatives.
      3 Conservative MP's cited for contempt of Parliament in the last 16 months.
      Two RCMP investigations been launched against former Conservative political staffers.
      The PM of Canada found in contempt of Parliament. (another first for Mr. Harper.)
      Do those count, since they were _all_ in the House or the PMO when the "fit hit the shan." We return to our regularly scheduled hyperventilating. ;)

  20. Yes Iggy's shining stars around him, make the prospect of a Liberal government so enticing. All within days.

    A criminally charged, apparant drunkard,

    A FOUNDER OF A WHITE SUPREMIST organization,

    A rapist apologist.

    Lovely.

  21. Yes Iggy's shining stars around him, make the prospect of a Liberal government so enticing. All within days.

    A criminally charged, apparant drunkard,

    A FOUNDER OF A WHITE SUPREMIST organization,

    A rapist apologist.

    Lovely.

    • what gets me is the sheer hypocrisy of it – and there actually people defending the party and the judge UNBELEIVABLE ! – it is like they don't see it as if a giant veil of denial drops in front of their common sense – this judge is a poster boy for what is wrong with our society – read more about this judge and what he promotes – he would be a fine Liberal MP alright and carry on the grand old tradition of NOT giving a damn about the victim and bending over backwards for the criminal …. any poster trying to spin this one away or defend this judge ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and their complete lack of a moral compass – then again that is defining trait of what it means to be a liberal so I guess it shouldn[t surprise one!

      • so you are inventing reactions to things which have not happened, eh?

      • "….complete lack of a moral compass – then again that is defining trait of what it means to be a liberal" That's a pretty harsh and prejudicial view of people who have expressed a reasoned opinion which differs from yours.

        As you have suggested, I have read more about this judge. Before jumping on the bandwagon to condemn John Reilly, I wanted to find out more about him. Although a few of his sentencing decisions have been controversial (not unexpected from any judge with a 30 year career), it appears that he has put a great deal of thought into balancing sentences for the guilty and justice for the victim — when it is appropriate — without creating career criminals in the process or incurring the huge financial costs of incarceration.

        Few things in life are ever simply black or white, including crimes. A young drug addict who gets caught selling pills to his friends to support his addiction, is not the same as a Hell's Angel who sells meth to kids in schoolyards. As a taxpayer, I would rather give a young kid the opportunity to made amends for their offense and improve their life, then pay to keep them locked up in jail contributing nothing to society.

        • I will tell you one thing – I heard the whole interview (it is available on the web). His obvious comments, that the media portrayed, were really bad. What I noticed, though, was that he seemed to have no regard for victims. I am not saying this as a slam, but it seemed to me that he thought his whole job was to 'treat' the accused. While at some times this may be an admirable trait, in a judge it probably isn't. That is one of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives. Liberals think that their job is to treat the accused. Conservatives want to punish the accused. (Obviously, this is a simplistic, blanket statement). I personally feel that we need to do all we can to keep an offender from re-offending, but I also believe that there should be a punishment, and a deterrent, for every crime. This is for the victim, not the accused. This is why this judge hates the idea of minimum sentences – he really sounded like he believed that almost no one should be put into jail.

  22. what gets me is the sheer hypocrisy of it – and there actually people defending the party and the judge UNBELEIVABLE ! – it is like they don't see it as if a giant veil of denial drops in front of their common sense – this judge is a poster boy for what is wrong with our society – read more about this judge and what he promotes – he would be a fine Liberal MP alright and carry on the grand old tradition of NOT giving a damn about the victim and bending over backwards for the criminal …. any poster trying to spin this one away or defend this judge ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and their complete lack of a moral compass – then again that is defining trait of what it means to be a liberal so I guess it shouldn[t surprise one!

  23. I do not think a man is unfit for office because he made some controversial remarks. A distinguished 30 year career on the bench should not be marred by a single statement.

    However, what if this were a Conservative candidate? And Harper stood by him? Can you imagine? Both Harper and the candidate would be hounded relentlessly by the media until he was forced to ditch him. I think even the most blindly Liberal partisan could admit to that much. They would not let a Conservative Party candidate walk on this one. And they wouldn't expect the media to either. So will see what happens. Could be the media will be fair about this and respond with their usual hysteria. The hysteria would still be dead wrong, but at least it would be equal for both parties. We'll see.

  24. I do not think a man is unfit for office because he made some controversial remarks. A distinguished 30 year career on the bench should not be marred by a single statement.

    However, what if this were a Conservative candidate? And Harper stood by him? Can you imagine? Both Harper and the candidate would be hounded relentlessly by the media until he was forced to ditch him. I think even the most blindly Liberal partisan could admit to that much. They would not let a Conservative Party candidate walk on this one. And they wouldn't expect the media to either. So will see what happens. Could be the media will be fair about this and respond with their usual hysteria. The hysteria would still be dead wrong, but at least it would be equal for both parties. We'll see.

    • I find that it's usually the right-wingers who carry on that way, trying to smear people with out-of-context quotes and then acting outraged (see e.g. all those CPC attack ads)… but that may be my "liberal bias" showing.

      • The quote wasn't out of context, or the judge wouldn't have apologized.

        Yes, your liberal bias is showing. :)

  25. I can see what he's getting at certainly, but he could have said "All sexual assault is serious but of course some will carry a stiffer jail sentence." In fact, he could have tied it into the problems with mandatory minimums. Opportunity lost.

  26. A judge would have had the expertise to word his response properly, in legal terms, and so the mistake would be worse.

  27. whoops didn't realize he was a provincial judge! yes it's a gaffe in the wording, but it's not wrong.

  28. Having now read the transcript I have no problem at all with the candidates statement. OF COURSE there are degrees of sexual assault, that is why every offender does not go to jail for the exact same length of time. Whether you agree with the exact length proposed for a time, to say he was in any way condoning sexual assault is absurd.

    This is more Kenney and Trudeau crap, CPC babbling on when the Liberal has the better argument.

  29. Having now read the transcript I have no problem at all with the candidates statement. OF COURSE there are degrees of sexual assault, that is why every offender does not go to jail for the exact same length of time. Whether you agree with the exact length proposed for a time, to say he was in any way condoning sexual assault is absurd.

    This is more Kenney and Trudeau crap, CPC babbling on when the Liberal has the better argument.

    • Do you disagree with the candidate's own admission that the comments were unacceptable and disgraceful?

      Do you feel he should have never apologized?

      • He shouldn't have been forced for political reasons into making it. but Trudeau should never have had to apologize for his comments on Kenney's depiction of barbaric cultures, either.

        • He didn't just apologize for political reasons – his remarks were out of line.
          Trudeau was right to apologize – his comment was idiotic. And for the record, Trudeau wasn't 'coerced' – he didn't even have to make the comment – he thought he would make Kenny look bad, and then found out that the majority of Canadians thought the comment was out of line.

  30. It could easily meet the technical definition, yes. And if the state decides to go to the wall and prosecute you for it, you should get a lot lighter sentence than somebody who rapes at knifepoint. I should think that would be obvious.

  31. so you are inventing reactions to things which have not happened, eh?

  32. To all you forgiving folks – here's more on the judges rap sheet courtesy of Akin.
    Joseph Dow was caught with what police said was "a potpourri of drugs" and later pleaded guilty to three counts of possession for the purpose of trafficking and one count of possession of the proceeds of crime. But Reilly did not send him to jail, letting him serve his sentence in the community rather than prison. "I've made comments before about how ineffective I feel imprisonment is," Reilly said from the bench in passing sentencing. But the Alberta Court of Appeal gave Dow a 30-month prison term and, in the unanimous ruling accompanying that decision, Justice Patricia Rowbotham wrote: "It was not open to the sentencing judge to disregard guidance of this court, to disregard sentencing provisions of the Criminal Code and to set his own idiosyncratic policy. The sentence is demonstrably unfit."

  33. To all you forgiving folks – here's more on the judges rap sheet courtesy of Akin.
    Joseph Dow was caught with what police said was "a potpourri of drugs" and later pleaded guilty to three counts of possession for the purpose of trafficking and one count of possession of the proceeds of crime. But Reilly did not send him to jail, letting him serve his sentence in the community rather than prison. "I've made comments before about how ineffective I feel imprisonment is," Reilly said from the bench in passing sentencing. But the Alberta Court of Appeal gave Dow a 30-month prison term and, in the unanimous ruling accompanying that decision, Justice Patricia Rowbotham wrote: "It was not open to the sentencing judge to disregard guidance of this court, to disregard sentencing provisions of the Criminal Code and to set his own idiosyncratic policy. The sentence is demonstrably unfit."

    • His record is fair game. If you think he is too soft on crime, and therefore would not make a good MP, then don't vote for him.

      As for the statement he made, though – that by itself is not grounds to strip him of his candidacy.

    • No Keith, his arrogance and lack of common sense makes him a perfect Liberal candidate. Keep bringing morons like this out and Harper won't even have to campaign for his majority.

  34. Oh Yes there's more
    Last fall, the Alberta Court of Appeal quadrupled a 90-day sentence Reilly had given to a man who sexually molested a 14-year-old developmentally delayed woman while the two were travelling on a bus. The appeal court put the man in jail for 12 months and the appeal judges wrote: "We find it particularly troubling that the trial judge stated effectively that a 90-day sentence served intermittently had the same deterrent effect as a 12-to 15-month jail sentence. This is clearly wrong. This court has pointed out and reiterates that in child sexual abuse cases, denunciation and deterrence are not secondary considerations in favour of rehabilitation or individualized solutions."

  35. Oh Yes there's more
    Last fall, the Alberta Court of Appeal quadrupled a 90-day sentence Reilly had given to a man who sexually molested a 14-year-old developmentally delayed woman while the two were travelling on a bus. The appeal court put the man in jail for 12 months and the appeal judges wrote: "We find it particularly troubling that the trial judge stated effectively that a 90-day sentence served intermittently had the same deterrent effect as a 12-to 15-month jail sentence. This is clearly wrong. This court has pointed out and reiterates that in child sexual abuse cases, denunciation and deterrence are not secondary considerations in favour of rehabilitation or individualized solutions."

  36. Then there was this
    In March, 2010, the Alberta Court of Appeal overturned a conditional sentence that Reilly gave a former guidance counsellor who had plead guilty to two counts of sexual assault and one count of gross decency in a case in which three junior high school girls were molested. Reilly gave the offender a two-year sentence to be served in the community. The Alberta Court of Appeal overturned that and sent the man to jail for three years.
    Yet Liberals and the press are making issues out of attendance at rallys? Really! That'll impress folks. Especially mothers and fathers.

  37. Then there was this
    In March, 2010, the Alberta Court of Appeal overturned a conditional sentence that Reilly gave a former guidance counsellor who had plead guilty to two counts of sexual assault and one count of gross decency in a case in which three junior high school girls were molested. Reilly gave the offender a two-year sentence to be served in the community. The Alberta Court of Appeal overturned that and sent the man to jail for three years.
    Yet Liberals and the press are making issues out of attendance at rallys? Really! That'll impress folks. Especially mothers and fathers.

  38. If this mushy brained dips##t had been a Conservative candidate the media would have launched into an hysterical fit and lynched Reilly in a heartbeat. The media are very selective in their hysterical "outrage". What bloody, corrupt hypocrites Liberal media drones are.

  39. If this mushy brained dips##t had been a Conservative candidate the media would have launched into an hysterical fit and lynched Reilly in a heartbeat. The media are very selective in their hysterical "outrage". What bloody, corrupt hypocrites Liberal media drones are.

  40. Do you disagree with the candidate's own admission that the comments were unacceptable and disgraceful?

    Do you feel he should have never apologized?

  41. The Tories could spin this in another direction: Never mind the controversial comments made. Focus instead on this judge's light punishments for offenders. Perhaps they could spin it as the Liberals being "soft on crime" (which seems to be a popular theme with the Tories).

    Forget the comments he made. It's already becoming old news anyway. Focus on his light sentences instead.

  42. The Tories could spin this in another direction: Never mind the controversial comments made. Focus instead on this judge's light punishments for offenders. Perhaps they could spin it as the Liberals being "soft on crime" (which seems to be a popular theme with the Tories).

    Forget the comments he made. It's already becoming old news anyway. Focus on his light sentences instead.

  43. He shouldn't have been forced for political reasons into making it. but Trudeau should never have had to apologize for his comments on Kenney's depiction of barbaric cultures, either.

  44. With respect. I have attended a talk from Judge Reilly in which he explained his position on what was talked about in the book. Specifically, that the investigations were intentionally superficial (apparently a Calgary Herald investigation conducted at the same time found all of the evidence he was looking for), and that he was forced out for trying to help the native community.

    And, since the crowd was almost entirely natives from around Calgary who completely agreed with him, I'm inclined to believe what he is claiming.

    As for the sexual assault thing, he probably could have phrased it better but ultimately the message is that crime lives in shades of grey, and so should justice.

  45. I think the comments on this story are telling. Mostly indivduals are offended by the judges statements and his light sentencing of sex-offenders. However, there are very few opposition minded posts…could it be that opposition supporters ignore issues such as this if it involves their party but blow up similar issues if they involve the CPC? I think so.

  46. I think the comments on this story are telling. Mostly indivduals are offended by the judges statements and his light sentencing of sex-offenders. However, there are very few opposition minded posts…could it be that opposition supporters ignore issues such as this if it involves their party but blow up similar issues if they involve the CPC? I think so.

    • I have no idea how CPC HQ dispatches its commenters. Please enlighten us.

    • I was actually thinking something similar.
      There weren't a lot of posters defending the guy, or Ignatieff for allowing him to run. I thought, 'kind of odd that they don't see it as much of an issue, liberals generally don't want to punish, they want to 'treat', so they must agree with the guy'.
      But after seeing how few people are replying to posts that bring to light how bad of a candidate this guy is, I have been starting to think that liberals know that the 'treat, don't imprison' idea is not shared by many Canadians. Kind of shows you how they stand up for their beliefs. Almost seems like they have an agenda that they don't want to scream at the top of their lungs (can anyone say hidden).

  47. There was nothing wrong with Judge Reilly's remarks. The example he used is distasteful to talk about but it's clear that it was an ambiguous situation where a mandatory minimum sentence would not have been just. He was using an example to help clarify his views on the issue of mandatory minimums and does not owe any apologies to politicians (or talk show hosts) who pretend to be brain-dead in order to pander for popularity. Since he is a political candidate himself, the voting public in his riding is free to support or not support him.

  48. There was nothing wrong with Judge Reilly's remarks. The example he used is distasteful to talk about but it's clear that it was an ambiguous situation where a mandatory minimum sentence would not have been just. He was using an example to help clarify his views on the issue of mandatory minimums and does not owe any apologies to politicians (or talk show hosts) who pretend to be brain-dead in order to pander for popularity. Since he is a political candidate himself, the voting public in his riding is free to support or not support him.

    • You are right, there was nothing wrong with his remarks. If someone is drunk when they sexually assault someone, they should not be sentenced. They should be told 'that was wrong – don't do it again'.
      The judge hates minimum sentences because it stops him from making the stupid decisions that he wants to. Someimes people are in front of a judge because they need to be punished.

  49. I think that's actually what he was trying to get at, but was not terribly well-spoken. He's not a career politician used to watching every word that comes out of his mouth, and so he wasn't as politically correct as some might like. But his point, when taken in context, is valid: there is a wide range of behaviour that falls under sexual assault (and many other crimes), and thus there also needs to be a wide range of options with sentencing. He thinks minimum sentencing, as proposed by the CPCfor many such crimes, is not good for the justice system – and that the money they wan to spend on more prisons would be better spent on alternatives.

    At least, that's what I took away from a read of the transcript.

    I can see why Iggy would keep him, as opposed to the guy who uttered the racist comments. The judge just got nailed with a "gotcha!" sound bite that did not reflect the true nature of his intent when taken in context.

  50. I know people from the First Nation he is involved with; he got mixed into dirty politics there and took sides, which a judge should know better than to do; and he repeated lies about decent people.

    He may have good ideas about the justice system; but he is trustworthy.

  51. Oops, I meant to write "He may have good ideas about the justice system; but he is NOT trustworthy."

  52. I've read something he wrote years ago and thought he was a poor writer and possibly not that bright.

  53. You have to read what Reilly said carefully. The man who sexually assaulted a sleeping woman was not her boyfriend just playfully waking her, but another man who did not have her consent to touch her. Reilly may be correct in saying the sentence was too harsh, but I say the guy did deserve some jail time. He did commit sexual assault.

  54. You have to read what Reilly said carefully. The man who sexually assaulted a sleeping woman was not her boyfriend just playfully waking her, but another man who did not have her consent to touch her. Reilly may be correct in saying the sentence was too harsh, but I say the guy did deserve some jail time. He did commit sexual assault.

  55. I have no idea how CPC HQ dispatches its commenters. Please enlighten us.

  56. So, you're saying his claims about corruption, nepotism, and familial oligarchy on reserves are fabrications? Like I said, the audience was primarily first nations (and non-native healthcare workers), and they seemed to agree with what he was saying.

  57. His record is fair game. If you think he is too soft on crime, and therefore would not make a good MP, then don't vote for him.

    As for the statement he made, though – that by itself is not grounds to strip him of his candidacy.

  58. I find that it's usually the right-wingers who carry on that way, trying to smear people with out-of-context quotes and then acting outraged (see e.g. all those CPC attack ads)… but that may be my "liberal bias" showing.

  59. Oda-riffic correction, Holly! LOL!

  60. Liberals inept and useless. What is a Liberal good for????? You can't think of anything either……..

  61. Liberals inept and useless. What is a Liberal good for????? You can't think of anything either……..

  62. That also goes for all the other parties as well.

  63. No wonder so many of the lefties support dear little Julian Assange, they think screwing people while they sleep, without consent, is absolutely fine. Must be an entitlement thing…….

  64. No wonder so many of the lefties support dear little Julian Assange, they think screwing people while they sleep, without consent, is absolutely fine. Must be an entitlement thing…….

  65. I am saying that back in the late 1990s he threw around all sorts of accusations without evidence. He blamed and smeared at least one person for things for which that person was not responsible.

  66. No Keith, his arrogance and lack of common sense makes him a perfect Liberal candidate. Keep bringing morons like this out and Harper won't even have to campaign for his majority.

  67. It's ironic that Liberals and the lefties are promoting Conservatives as scary and all that, yet only to find themselves forced to look in the mirror instead when looking for scarier boogeymen.

  68. It's ironic that Liberals and the lefties are promoting Conservatives as scary and all that, yet only to find themselves forced to look in the mirror instead when looking for scarier boogeymen.

  69. "….complete lack of a moral compass – then again that is defining trait of what it means to be a liberal" That's a pretty harsh and prejudicial view of people who have expressed a reasoned opinion which differs from yours.

    As you have suggested, I have read more about this judge. Before jumping on the bandwagon to condemn John Reilly, I wanted to find out more about him. Although a few of his sentencing decisions have been controversial (not unexpected from any judge with a 30 year career), it appears that he has put a great deal of thought into balancing sentences for the guilty and justice for the victim — when it is appropriate — without creating career criminals in the process or incurring the huge financial costs of incarceration.

    Few things in life are ever simply black or white, including crimes. A young drug addict who gets caught selling pills to his friends to support his addiction, is not the same as a Hell's Angel who sells meth to kids in schoolyards. As a taxpayer, I would rather give a young kid the opportunity to made amends for their offense and improve their life, then pay to keep them locked up in jail contributing nothing to society.

  70. Low and behold… today one brave "journalist" went off the Liberal media script and asked American Iggo if he would keep this sexual assault lover, Rielly in the "Liberal family" … Iggo wasn't too pleased and gave a very short, and noticeably angry response.. YES!! A great example of "Liberal family values" and "Hope over Fear" and other vapid, empty rhetorical nothingness. Expect that "reporter" to be banished from the Liberal campaign post haste, and replaced with a "reporter" that will stick to the Liberal media script, where "reporters" don't ask questions of the American candidate, but instead hand out invitations to attack PM Harper disguised as questions.

  71. Low and behold… today one brave "journalist" went off the Liberal media script and asked American Iggo if he would keep this sexual assault lover, Rielly in the "Liberal family" … Iggo wasn't too pleased and gave a very short, and noticeably angry response.. YES!! A great example of "Liberal family values" and "Hope over Fear" and other vapid, empty rhetorical nothingness. Expect that "reporter" to be banished from the Liberal campaign post haste, and replaced with a "reporter" that will stick to the Liberal media script, where "reporters" don't ask questions of the American candidate, but instead hand out invitations to attack PM Harper disguised as questions.

  72. I am wondering if all the beer drinkers were watching iggie tonight singing happy birthday to a reporter . Wow I want him for my PM NOT!!!!! and why doesn't he have to say I am sorry for kicking people out of his big red tent … Oh that didn't happen …. RIGHT

  73. I am wondering if all the beer drinkers were watching iggie tonight singing happy birthday to a reporter . Wow I want him for my PM NOT!!!!! and why doesn't he have to say I am sorry for kicking people out of his big red tent … Oh that didn't happen …. RIGHT

  74. After reading all the comments on this thread, the dichotomy between conservative and liberal thought is pretty clear. For conservatives, everything is black and white; yes or no. Liberals are more considered and can see the shades between. Each side then thinks the other to be absolute morons as a result.
    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110407/pol

    Have a read; see how each side thinks. Makes you wonder if we aren't doomed to do this dance ad nauseum, as long as we have a first-past-the-post system and more than one party on the left. Because we seem to be hard-wired in our preferences…

  75. After reading all the comments on this thread, the dichotomy between conservative and liberal thought is pretty clear. For conservatives, everything is black and white; yes or no. Liberals are more considered and can see the shades between. Each side then thinks the other to be absolute morons as a result.
    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110407/pol

    Have a read; see how each side thinks. Makes you wonder if we aren't doomed to do this dance ad nauseum, as long as we have a first-past-the-post system and more than one party on the left. Because we seem to be hard-wired in our preferences…

    • I will start a good discussion:
      Which side is brain damaged?

      • I'd argue that extremists on either side are. LOL! And that's probably who were tested to get such clear results. I'd probably come out showing a mix of activity in both regions. Harper has clearly figured out the right-wing mentality, though; his attack ads and "illegitimate coalition" meme is sharply targeted to match the thought patterns the researchers have identified as "right wing".

        As to where I fit, I'm a "blue liberal", which means none of the current parties really appeal to me. But I really distrust Harper & Co., for reasons I have stated elsewhere many times.

        Get rid of Harper, Baird, Flaherty, Clement and maybe Kennedy, and all the current staffers in the PMO, and kill the juvenile attack ads, and I might just vote right again (I last voted for a right-wing party in 2000, when I voted PC).

        • Actually, I read an article that stated that you are the exact person that the CPC was targeting, with its 'fear the coalition' strategy. They will definitely not sway and left leaning voters. They are going after the voter who goes either way. (no pun intended) They are trying to get the people who are okay with a conservative minority, but are uneasy about a conservative majority. They are saying there are two options, and they aren't the above. The options are a conservative majority or a coalition (or some other such arrangement). Once people start to think about that, they might give the CPC the check mark, because they like the idea of the NDP and the Bloc running the show even less. Not the most optimistic way to run a campaign, but I have yet to hear anyone prove that they are wrong.

          • If I'm who they are targeting, then they are going about it the wrong way. Instead of trying to instil fear, they should have started, back when first elected, to actually keep some of their promises. I wanted transparency and accountability (as they promised) and instead the waters have just gotten murkier.

            And this is how they behave with an opposition who can keep them somewhat reined in. Imagine what will happen if the opposition loses that power!

            At this point, if they want to talk fear, well, I fear a CPC majority more than any "coalition".

  76. you are an idiot!

  77. Where are all the leftist women's groups… something like this should make their heads explode. It certainly would have had the candidate been a Conservative.

  78. Where are all the leftist women's groups… something like this should make their heads explode. It certainly would have had the candidate been a Conservative.

    • sad but true

  79. I will tell you one thing – I heard the whole interview (it is available on the web). His obvious comments, that the media portrayed, were really bad. What I noticed, though, was that he seemed to have no regard for victims. I am not saying this as a slam, but it seemed to me that he thought his whole job was to 'treat' the accused. While at some times this may be an admirable trait, in a judge it probably isn't. That is one of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives. Liberals think that their job is to treat the accused. Conservatives want to punish the accused. (Obviously, this is a simplistic, blanket statement). I personally feel that we need to do all we can to keep an offender from re-offending, but I also believe that there should be a punishment, and a deterrent, for every crime. This is for the victim, not the accused. This is why this judge hates the idea of minimum sentences – he really sounded like he believed that almost no one should be put into jail.

  80. The quote wasn't out of context, or the judge wouldn't have apologized.

    Yes, your liberal bias is showing. :)

  81. He didn't just apologize for political reasons – his remarks were out of line.
    Trudeau was right to apologize – his comment was idiotic. And for the record, Trudeau wasn't 'coerced' – he didn't even have to make the comment – he thought he would make Kenny look bad, and then found out that the majority of Canadians thought the comment was out of line.

  82. I was actually thinking something similar.
    There weren't a lot of posters defending the guy, or Ignatieff for allowing him to run. I thought, 'kind of odd that they don't see it as much of an issue, liberals generally don't want to punish, they want to 'treat', so they must agree with the guy'.
    But after seeing how few people are replying to posts that bring to light how bad of a candidate this guy is, I have been starting to think that liberals know that the 'treat, don't imprison' idea is not shared by many Canadians. Kind of shows you how they stand up for their beliefs. Almost seems like they have an agenda that they don't want to scream at the top of their lungs (can anyone say hidden).

  83. You are right, there was nothing wrong with his remarks. If someone is drunk when they sexually assault someone, they should not be sentenced. They should be told 'that was wrong – don't do it again'.
    The judge hates minimum sentences because it stops him from making the stupid decisions that he wants to. Someimes people are in front of a judge because they need to be punished.

  84. I will start a good discussion:
    Which side is brain damaged?

  85. sad but true

  86. I'd argue that extremists on either side are. LOL! And that's probably who were tested to get such clear results. I'd probably come out showing a mix of activity in both regions. Harper has clearly figured out the right-wing mentality, though; his attack ads and "illegitimate coalition" meme is sharply targeted to match the thought patterns the researchers have identified as "right wing".

    As to where I fit, I'm a "blue liberal", which means none of the current parties really appeal to me. But I really distrust Harper & Co., for reasons I have stated elsewhere many times.

    Get rid of Harper, Baird, Flaherty, Clement and maybe Kennedy, and all the current staffers in the PMO, and kill the juvenile attack ads, and I might just vote right again (I last voted for a right-wing party in 2000, when I voted PC).

  87. Actually, I read an article that stated that you are the exact person that the CPC was targeting, with its 'fear the coalition' strategy. They will definitely not sway and left leaning voters. They are going after the voter who goes either way. (no pun intended) They are trying to get the people who are okay with a conservative minority, but are uneasy about a conservative majority. They are saying there are two options, and they aren't the above. The options are a conservative majority or a coalition (or some other such arrangement). Once people start to think about that, they might give the CPC the check mark, because they like the idea of the NDP and the Bloc running the show even less. Not the most optimistic way to run a campaign, but I have yet to hear anyone prove that they are wrong.

  88. If I'm who they are targeting, then they are going about it the wrong way. Instead of trying to instil fear, they should have started, back when first elected, to actually keep some of their promises. I wanted transparency and accountability (as they promised) and instead the waters have just gotten murkier.

    And this is how they behave with an opposition who can keep them somewhat reined in. Imagine what will happen if the opposition loses that power!

    At this point, if they want to talk fear, well, I fear a CPC majority more than any "coalition".

  89. Reilly walked into 'it.' He should have considered his words more carefully. He's not the only one who has 'shot his face off ' in this election. I don't have a big deal with anyone who figuratively shoots themselves in the foot. My problem is _not_ with the conservative party of Canada. My problem is plain and simple. Stephen Harper is a liar. He has lied to the people of Canada a great many times and I find it reprehensible. Last election, he promised pay equity for women. 3 months after the election he told _his_ party "The law stays as it is,' even though his own party had brought a plan forward called proactive pay rates that would have brought woman's pay rates within a few percent of men over a few years. Mr Harper has said he's 'concerned' about the high rates Canadians pay for Cable, Cell, Data, Meanwhile… his Conservative committee members of the CRTC actively blocked and suborned any opportunity for a vote on rationalizing the fee rates using the infamous 'playbook.' THAT is why I'll vote anyone else but Harper. He's a despicable liar.

  90. I'll take that challenge:
    4 people in the PMO under investigation by the RCMP over the "in and Out" payment scheme that helped put Mr Harper in power.
    A former adviser to the PM charged over lobbying.
    A _Minister_ using his public office and material to pursue party-political goals of courting ethnic vote banks for the conservatives.
    3 Conservative MP's cited for contempt of Parliament in the last 16 months.
    Two RCMP investigations been launched against former Conservative political staffers.
    The PM of Canada found in contempt of Parliament. (another first for Mr. Harper.)
    Do those count, since they were _all_ in the House or the PMO when the "fit hit the shan." We return to our regularly scheduled hyperventilating. ;)

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