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John Geddes on style vs. substance in the leaders’ debate

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John Geddes on style vs. substance in the leaders’ debate

  1. Dear John;

    I was surprised by Harper's warm and respectful calm in the 3 on 1 attack by the opposition coalition members. Ignatieff yelled him down when Harper suggested that the current situation has led to a lot of bickering. A very effective way for Ignatieff to make Harper's point. The media and opposition coalition partners have set Harper up to be such a cold control freak that Harper easily exceeded my expectations based on that apparently false characterization by the media including many at McLeans — particularly your Liberal commentator Aaron Wherry, whom I can only conclude is a card carrying Liberal. (By the way, it does your magazine no service that Mr. Wherry dominates your blog postings). Finally, to me, it appeared that Harper was trying to talk to me — the viewer. This seems logical given that the debates are one of the only times I would get to hear him unedited by the apparently anti-conservative media. The media in general took a huge blow in credibility as Harper did not match the extreme characterization of him that we get in most headlines and lead pieces on the T.V. lately. It appears that Mr. Ibbiston's suggestion that many in the media hate him is true and what does that do to serve the public?

    Sincerely,

    Biaced

  2. Dear John;

    I was surprised by Harper's warm and respectful calm in the 3 on 1 attack by the opposition coalition members. Ignatieff yelled him down when Harper suggested that the current situation has led to a lot of bickering. A very effective way for Ignatieff to make Harper's point. The media and opposition coalition partners have set Harper up to be such a cold control freak that Harper easily exceeded my expectations based on that apparently false characterization by the media including many at McLeans — particularly your Liberal commentator Aaron Wherry, whom I can only conclude is a card carrying Liberal. (By the way, it does your magazine no service that Mr. Wherry dominates your blog postings). Finally, to me, it appeared that Harper was trying to talk to me — the viewer. This seems logical given that the debates are one of the only times I would get to hear him unedited by the apparently anti-conservative media. The media in general took a huge blow in credibility as Harper did not match the extreme characterization of him that we get in most headlines and lead pieces on the T.V. lately. It appears that Mr. Ibbiston's suggestion that many in the media hate him is true and what does that do to serve the public?

    Sincerely,

    Biaced

    • You should spell your name "Biased".

    • . "Ignatieff yelled him down when Harper suggested that the current situation has led to a lot of bickering"

      I was watching too. My impression was the PM was trying on occasion to roll over the other guys, rhetorically speaking.

      The it's not bickering retort was one of Ignatieff's better moments.

      You might like being directly addressed by the PM in a vacous attempt to pull off Trudeau's "we talked over the heads of…" tactic, but i thought it only underscored the he doesn't respect parliament meme of the other guys.[He couldn't even do them the courtesy of addressing them. Strategy i know , but still.] In fact Harper actually used those words:" you guys found me in contempt"…not parliament being the unspoken implication. His remark was beside the point.

      The rest of your media is biased whine is hardly original.

      Sincerely Biased [ just kidding]

    • I get the same feeling from Harper as I get when I try listening to a wardrobe dummy.

    • You summed it up nicely. Why do you suppose there is so much unwarranted Harper bashing? It’s very nasty stuff, too, quite fanatical at times. And, you’re right about the media…I wish more people would consider the political leanings of the heads of our broadcast and print media, in addition to the biases of individual journalists, to avoid the pitfall of accepting what they “say” as gospel.

  3. You should spell your name "Biased".

  4. . "Ignatieff yelled him down when Harper suggested that the current situation has led to a lot of bickering"

    I was watching too. My impression was the PM was trying on occasion to roll over the other guys, rhetorically speaking.

    The it's not bickering retort was one of Ignatieff's better moments.

    You might like being directly addressed by the PM in a vacous attempt to pull off Trudeau's "we talked over the heads of…" tactic, but i thought it only underscored the he doesn't respect parliament meme of the other guys.[He couldn't even do them the courtesy of addressing them. Strategy i know , but still.] In fact Harper actually used those words:" you guys found me in contempt"…not parliament being the unspoken implication. His remark was beside the point.

    The rest of your media is biased whine is hardly original.

    Sincerely Biased [ just kidding]

  5. Upon reflection i have to say i found the debates quite depressing, although not completely boring.
    It seems to be all horns and no cattle these days. Strategy,strategy, tactics, tactics. Those guys were so overcoached and afraid to step out of the box it was almost embarrassing to see – 4 obviously intelligent men reduced to parroting rehearsed tps. It was particulary sad to see an academic like Ignatieff reduced to this. Half the time they spent so little time listening to what the other guy actually said they missed obvious opportunities for effective rebuttal. Along the lines of: wait a minute. You just said this. Explain please…or whatever.
    I know it's a tough job and they should be commended for even getting up there. But really, no one really adressed the Canadian people last night. Not in any authentic manner anyway.

  6. Upon reflection i have to say i found the debates quite depressing, although not completely boring.
    It seems to be all horns and no cattle these days. Strategy,strategy, tactics, tactics. Those guys were so overcoached and afraid to step out of the box it was almost embarrassing to see – 4 obviously intelligent men reduced to parroting rehearsed tps. It was particulary sad to see an academic like Ignatieff reduced to this. Half the time they spent so little time listening to what the other guy actually said they missed obvious opportunities for effective rebuttal. Along the lines of: wait a minute. You just said this. Explain please…or whatever.
    I know it's a tough job and they should be commended for even getting up there. But really, no one really adressed the Canadian people last night. Not in any authentic manner anyway.

  7. Love this video segments from macleans, like a point to ponder.

  8. Love this video segments from macleans, like a point to ponder.

  9. I get the same feeling from Harper as I get when I try listening to a wardrobe dummy.

  10. You summed it up nicely. Why do you suppose there is so much unwarranted Harper bashing? It’s very nasty stuff, too, quite fanatical at times. And, you’re right about the media…I wish more people would consider the political leanings of the heads of our broadcast and print media, in addition to the biases of individual journalists, to avoid the pitfall of accepting what they “say” as gospel.

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