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Khadr turned down plea bargain

Canadian detained at Gitmo would have served 5 years of 30-year sentence


 

Omar Khadr revealed Monday he had spurned a plea deal offered by U.S. prosecutors that would have seen him serve five years of a 30-year sentence provided he admitted to war crimes charges. “I will not take any of the offers because it’ll give the U.S. government an excuse for torturing me and abusing me when I was a child,” Khadr told a military tribunal holding pre-trial hearings at Guantanamo Bay. Khadr also told the tribunal he wouldn’t mount a defense after attempting to fire his lawyers last week. (The judge refused to allow him to fire Lt.-Col. Jon Jackson after Khadr fired his two American civilian lawyers on Friday.) “It’s going to be the same thing with lawyers or without lawyers,” Khadr said. “It’s gonna be life sentence.” Khadr’s trial is due to begin this August.

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  1. If this works we can start giving other Canadian children life sentences with little or no evidence too. We sure as hell won't recognize Canada after Harper's done with it.

    • He is not exactly what you would call a typical "Canadian child". You do realize he was fighting in a war against us, right!? If not recognizing Canada means that terrorists can't get away with murder, I am all for it!

    • Come on. This "child" was nuitured by a terrorist family, schooled by al Quaeda and as reports indicate, was the killer of an American soldier. Why are we supposed to put everything out of joint for someone with his record. And "child" doesn't mean a thing in this context. He is a criminal, was a terrorist. Just because our immigration laws and policies are so stupid we are supposed to bleed over himn. Better we start paying attention to some real Canadian kids who really are the subject of racisim and discrimination – our native-born Aborigonals.

      • "the killer of an American soldier. … He is a criminal, was a terrorist."

        Prove this in court. Do not use evidence obtained through torture.

        For almost a decade now, the whole case against Khadr rests on the circular logic of "he's guilty cause we say so, and we say so cause he's guilty.

        • Wrong. The case against Khadr rests on the videotapes of him holding a severed human head upwards with glee, assembling car bombs in Afghanistan, and oh, that tricky little detail of him being on the battlefield during a fight between the allied solders and al Queda, of which he was a member. Witnesses will testify he threw the grenade at an unarmed medic and killed him, and Khadr will say nothing because he wants to go out a martyr. There's a special place in Islamic heaven — not hell — for his kind and this is how you go about getting there.

          He's been detained for questioning in regards to collecting evidence against al Queda and those are the consitutional issues that his lawyers would have argued, had he not decided at the last hour to go out a martyr.

          • Have you ever read an actual account of the firefight?

          • Post evidence to the contrary — if you have it.

          • Touche !!

        • Look at the photographs of this little bast%$# holding severed hands, feet and a human head. Looking very proud of himself. But you probably think these photos were faked. These photos were not taken under torture.

    • I do not know of any Canadian child that plays with hand grenades, or lets Journalists take pictures of them proudly showing off their trophy of severed human hands and feet….

    • The trial will determine his sentence, Nasty. Perhaps you are more familiar with other systems?

    • This Canadian terrorist child as he admitted it, knows how to play the system. No doubt, he received tutoring from organization in US and Canada that are involved in organizing and supporting Al Qaeda members.

  2. Omar Khadr must be sent to Afghanistan for trial, that is where he killed and terrorized people. Afghans deserve to see justice being done or else it undermines the mission to civilize the country.

    • Unfortunately they would probably let him go, just like they let a bunch of other terrorists go.

      • You mean just like Canada…if he were to land back here.

        Oh…Afghanistan wouldn't give him $10 million though…

        • Exactly right Harvey

  3. Maybe some of the Daycare Baby martyrs from Forest Hill and Rockcliffe,who marched at the G20 Summit to protest their own low melanin counts, can volunteer to take Khadr's place, either in prison or in combat.

  4. I'm sure Omar is guilty of something, but this farce will never be able to determine what exactly he is guilty of. Altered field reports, his being a minor at the time and his being incarcerated outside international law for eight years will all lead to a discharge in the end. Either that or cast so much doubt onto this 'judicial' system that it will lose what little legitimacy it has.

    Going after terrorists is good. Ruining our own legitimacy to get there is very bad. Such a show trial illustrates how poorly we are doing with the 'war on terror' when no credible evidence is sufficient to hold a child soldier in prison for eight years. We really should be better than this…

    • Very valid points O_C.

    • Look at the photos of this "Kid" proudly holding and displaying severed limbs and a head to journalists. Thats enough evidence to hold him.

      • Further more I object to people calling this ASSH*&^% a Soldier. Soldiers have rules of war and conduct that they abide by. This little puke is a TERRORIST who cuts off peoples limbs and displays them to the media now he wants the very same people who he fought against, carved up, to come and bail him out. He can F*** Off.
        Harper has the right idea. Keep this festering maggot out of our society so he cannot contaminate anyone else.

  5. On another front…predictable, but glad to see in the news today that the latest court order to the Fed's regarding addressing Khadr's rights will be appealed by the Harper government.

    If Khadr can continually delay court proceedings hoping for a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card from Canada…I'm glad to see the government stretching it out on their side.

    At this point it looks like Khadr's actions just about guarantee his own conviction…always the martyr eh Omar?

  6. This "child" of mulitculturalizm and joke-like immigration system should rott in jail.
    His familiy (that hates Canada but enjoys welfare and free health care) should be deported to Pakistan!
    We should clean up this country from rats. Can't we have someone like Greet Wilders here?

    • Considering Geert is being prosecuted by the Netherlands prosecution for "hate crimes" maybe he choose Canada as his next destination should he be convicted. We could only be so lucky.

      • LOL.
        Wilders pointed out on all wekness of the immigration system in his country.
        Islamic immigrants do not have respect for culture of the coutntry they move to.
        They demand free welfare, sharia law, islamic schools, etc…..

        Netherlands started awakening and hopefully will protect its culture heritage.
        Swiss ban on building minarets is another sign of Europe being awaken.

  7. Giving "other canadian children life sentences"

    Yes, other "children" who spent a teeny fraction of their lives in Canada, the rest in terrorist havens, and upon becoming a teenager, working in a terrorist training camp devising ways to kill Westerners (us that is) and then attempting to kill a Westerner upon completion of said infidel killing training…

    ahh yes, just an average "canadian child"

    • Yes, he was in a firefight in a country his father dragged him too. All the other stuff is a figment of your imagination or heresay. What evidence is there that he planned to kill anyone? If my parents are drug dealers when I'm 15, does that mean if the police bust the door down I automatically go to jail too? Did he throw a gernade? Who knows? we certainly can't go by any testimony he gave because he was tortured.
      Personally, I want to beat the terrorists by being clearly better than them, by not comprimising the rule of law that they don't respect. Instead, this shows how we let fear corrupt us, that the "rule of law" is something we only respect when it works to our perceived advantage. Otherwise, we allow it to be twisted and corrupted to attack those we fear, without due process or clear evidence. Well, I should not say "we" because I do not believe in such things, but others clearly do. Me, I fear more that so many Canadians are so willing to let or laws and justice be perverted anytime they sense fear from an enemy whose power has been greatly exagerrated.

      • "Personally, I want to beat the terrorists by being clearly better than them, by not comprimising the rule of law that they don't respect." Nice words! I am sure you will have a great story of St. Peter when you get there!! I don't suppose you know that dogs are killed for biting people. You know why that is? It is because a biting dog is considered too dangerous to allow in to society. The same should apply to people. An animal, 4-legged or 2-legged, is still an animal. The punishment to one should be good for the other. Any human who chooses to live outside of our system and yet wants to enjoy our lifestyle has no business being a part of it. And if they choose to harm us, we should be free to do unto them as they would do unto us. FEAR is a good thing. It keeps our eyes and ears open. It allows us to make decisions that we would not otherwise be able to make. Canada has not let any laws be perverted so far. The perversion is coming from people within Canada who are doing their best to undermine everything we value. When the time comes, i hope you will make the right decision, Marty.

      • "What evidence is there that he planned to kill anyone?"

        I'd say video of him happily assembling road side bombs is pretty telling. Maybe his daddy told him they were celebratory fireworks for Canada Day though…

      • Wake up dopey and look at the pictures of this Terrorist "Child" That head and these hands and feet belonged to another human being and this "Child" Murdered that person and carved him up and gleefully displayed the remains.
        We don't need citizens like him in Canada.
        I had a dog once that bit my daughter. Needless to say I had to put him down because I could not trust him again.

        Too many bleeding hearts like you around Marty. You want to beat the Terrorists by being better than they are. LOL LOL
        Being a former soldier there is only one way to do that and unfortunately guys like you don't want to get their hands dirty. You bleed all over them Marty.

  8. When did this country consciously decide to turn on its own and kiss the ass of traiterous immigrants??? There is absolutely no one to vote for any longer.

    • Jeet..could you explain this better, I understand the turn on it's own part, but you lost me on the ''traiterous'' immigrant part….anybody want to give it a shot ?

      • "kiss the ass of traiterous immigrants"

        He really should ease up on the French. I mean, come on, they arrived a long time ago, they have issues…

  9. I mean if they'd let this poor "Canadian child" be imprisoned, I'm sure your or my child is next, perhaps even for letting the air out of the tires, and other assorted pranks of our average ordinary "Canadian Children."

    We must save the poor misundersood child….for all of our children's sake.

    • i do hope that someday you will be able to make a clear distinction between "letting the air out of the tires" and killing a human being. I am sure a majority of "our average ordinary Canadian Children" already know it.

      • Sarcasm, Eddie, sarcasm.

  10. As much as we don't like it, Omar Khadr has not been found guilty in any court of law anywhere in the world. As well, if he were to be treated as he would be had he been in Canada when the murder was committed, he would have been out of jail by the time he was 18 and his record sealed because his crimes were allegedly committed when he was a minor.

    I think, in large part, Canadians are not happy about this issue because we were exposed to an interview featuring his mother and sister who stated that they were proud of their connections with Al Qaeda. It doesn't make me very happy or comfortable that he could end up back in Canada but I have to consider that Omar should not be held responsible for what his family said or did. It's the same with us; we cannot be held responsible for the misdeeds of our own families. This is especially the case for those under the age of majority.

    What a terrible issue this whole thing has turned out to be.

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    • Terrorist enemy combatants don't get "trials".

      Nor do they get any rights under the Geneva convention as they forwent that treaty when they decided to not wear uniforms (and various and other breaches of the protocal).

      Consequences for one's actions. That's a basic tenet that escapes most leftists. Khadr and his ilk decided to leave Western life and train as a terrorist. Those actions have consequences, one of which, when your caught you go to Gitmo (lucky he wasn't sent to Egypt''s camps, he wouldn't be given culturally sensitive food and daytime prayer schedules…more like electrodes to various sensitive locales).

      So sad that the reactionary nature of today's progressive left, has it routinely championing the most vile our world has to offer.

      • Chet, i am surprised to read this comment of yours after that previous one!! very nice!

      • Wrong. Everyone gets a trial. That's part of the system that's supposed to make us better than the enemy we fight.

        Doubly wrong because everyone falls somwhere under the geneva conventions:

        The Commentary to the Fourth Geneva Convention asserts that;

        "…[e]very person in enemy hands must have some status under international law: he is either a prisoner of war and, as such, covered by the Third Convention, a civilian covered by the Fourth Convention, or again, a member of the medical personnel of the armed forces who is covered by the First Convention. There is no intermediate status; nobody in enemy hands can be outside the law…"

        Judgment of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia in the case of Delalic et al. (I.T-96-21) "Celebici" 16 November 1998, Part III B, Applicable law…"
        http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/part3B.htm

  11. Let's do it for the children: What pathetic, maudlin tripe the bleeding hearts smear all over this issue. They have not been so worked up since Hamas and the Iranians tried to break the Gaza naval blockade. Pity they were not around to defend children like Anne Frank..

    • "Oh, and the umpire is running up to the mound, he's checking Bugler's hands and…yes! The ball has been Godwin'd. Automatic game ender, right there."

  12. When people finally understand that islamic scum coming to Canada do not share any of our western values?
    They hate us and they are willing to do anyting to destroy our society.
    Silly apologetic behavior of libtards is an invitation for them to come here and get free welfare.

    • Careful Jonathan, you're sounding like a Nazi talking about Jews.

      • That's all what liberals can say? Accuse of nazism? Perhaps we shold put away fear of being labelled as "rascist", "bigots", etc…. and call thigs a right name!
        Dude who comes to Canada just to get welfare and healthcare for multiple wifes, and the flees Canada soon after he
        gets passport is just a scum! Scum that ships his welfare $$$ to his original country to buy guns, drugs of finance
        islamist suicide bombers !!

      • BTW: Islamo-fascism is a very strong movement in Palestine, Pakistan and Turkey long time since Grand Muftti of Jerusalem, Al-Husseini signed deal with Adolf Hitler in 1940 about extermination of all Jews in middle east.

    • So what you are saying is that all people of the Islamic faith are scum ? I never really thought of Mohammed Ali, Michael Jackson, Dave Chappel,Cat stevens, and the list goes on to be scum, but then I would not judge a whole religion because of extremist followers like Omar Khdar….

      • "So what you are saying is that all people of the Islamic faith are scum ?" – is that your private opinion ?

        • Jonathan,how on earth did you get that opinion out of my comment ? I was responding to your comment that stated..'' When people finally understand that Islamic ''scum'' coming to Canada do not share any of our western values.'' May I suggest that in the future, when responding to a comment you use some form of intelligence instead of angry emotions, there is a much better chance of being taken seriously…

  13. Everyone falls somwhere under the geneva conventions, so I wish people would drop the pretense already.

    The Commentary to the Fourth Geneva Convention asserts that;

    "…[e]very person in enemy hands must have some status under international law: he is either a prisoner of war and, as such, covered by the Third Convention, a civilian covered by the Fourth Convention, or again, a member of the medical personnel of the armed forces who is covered by the First Convention. There is no intermediate status; nobody in enemy hands can be outside the law…"

    Judgment of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia in the case of Delalic et al. (I.T-96-21) "Celebici" 16 November 1998, Part III B, Applicable law…"
    http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/part3B.htm

    • Sure ,when you drop the pretense that jihadis give a rats ass for the geneva convention.
      while you try being noble and sensitive like, he'll try to cut your throat

    • Wake up dopey and look at the pictures of this Terrorist "Child" That head and these hands and feet belonged to another human being and this "Child" Murdered that person and carved him up and gleefully displayed the remains. He is not a soldier because soldiers do not do this kind of thing. He is a Terrorist. Not sure what the Geneva says about murdering Terrorists

  14. enough of this crazy political who is right who is wrong clap trap…getting sik and tired of hearing about this idiot when people are hungry, starving, sick,jobless, and no housing in this gawd awful divided joke of a country….

  15. I have had a little bit of mixed emotion over the Khadr case. Was he just a kid that did not know what he was doing or was he a young hardcore Terrorist?? THEN I saw the photos of this little butcher holding up severed hands and a foot posing for the camera looking real proud of himself. Also a photo of him holding up a severed head. At fifteen or sixteen a person knows what is right and wrong and I am sick and tired of all the bleeding heart Liberals crying over this piece of trash. We do not need this person as a citizen in Canada but if Liberals have their way he will be given a hero's welcome home, and a nice bonus cheque for all the hardships he had to endure.
    Makes me want to vomit.