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Liberal Family Values


 

The Gazette unloads on Ignatieff and his support of Denis Coderre’s attempt at pushing Stephane Dion out. After conceding that Dion’s leadership was far from glorious, the editorialist writes: “Still, he deserves better than to have his back stabbed by the likes of Denis Coderre, a party apparatchik whose contributions to Canada are minimal compared with those of Dion.”

This is where even long-time Liberal supporters start hoping that the party gets slaughtered in the next election, as they did circa 2005. The meme about Iggy is he’s gone from “Lionized to Dionized” in a few short months; it might be more accurate to say that he’s decided that he’d rather curate Paul Martin’s legacy than Pierre Trudeau’s.


 
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  1. Oh, the same papers that trashed Dion when he was leader?

    With all that's going on in the world, this is the topic of the day?

    …sigh………..

  2. The Liberals didn't get slaughtered in 2005. At least not outside of Quebec. They actuallly did much better than they did historically in the province.

    The problem is, the Liberals haven't won a majority since 1968 that didn't require one of:
    – A divided Conservative Party
    – Taking 3/4 of the seats in Quebec

    Until the Liberals figure out how to make one of those two things happen, they will not win another one.

    • I didn't say they *did* get slaughtered. I said that a lot of Liberals, at least of my acquaintance, started to think it wouldn't be such a bad thing if it did happen.

    • Good stuff Mike, I've come to much the same conclusion myself. If you look at share of the vote, 2004 was actually a pretty bad year for the conservative vote share – their share of the vote was as low it's been in Ontario since WWII. Even with that, Martin just managed to eke out a minority. I think that the Liberal Party might be looking at an extended period that isn't unlike what the right suffered through, where they need to figure out a way to make the math work to win an election, whether that's amalgamating the NDP or whatever. I'm surprised that this hasn't drawn some more attention from the media; the need for the Tories and the Reform Party to unite became a hot media topic by 1997; we're three elections into the new math now and nobody seems to have yet picked it up.

  3. Or to put it differently – in 2006, 40% of the non-Quebec seats were won by Liberals. That's around the same ball-park as Trudeau's post-1968 majorities: 1974 – 43%, 1980 – 35%.

    • But not even close to the 56% in the ROC PMHarper won in 2008.
      And there in lies their problem. There are 92 seats in the West, Liberals won 7 of them, their focus is big city and Eastern Canada.
      They attack the rural and Western Canadian people on so many issues, it started with Trudeau and Chretien/Martin continued the tradition.

      • Other than the generation around the Great Depression, the Conservatives have *always* been the party of English Canada. This goes back far, far further than Trudeau.

        • But WC was a youngin' then. Times have changed and the LPC hasn't.

      • "There are 92 seats in the West, Liberals won 7 of them"

        There are 66 seats in non-Toronto(416&905) Ontario. The Liberals won *6* of them. Less than 10%. The 'West' isn't exactly unique in this regard.

  4. "This is where even long-time Liberal supporters start hoping that the party gets slaughtered in the next election, as they did circa 2005. "

    Ain't it a little early for this kind of crucifiction, Potter? Mind you, Iggy gets no sympathy from me because of the way he treated Dion. This is all great poetic justice as far as I am concerned. Having said that, even I can recognize the fact that some media folks are doing their best to feed the feed the frenzy…

    How about we discuss the stimulus funding going to Tory riding in a disproportionate fashion a la sponsorship scandal instead? Or is that not salacious enough?

  5. "This is where even long-time Liberal supporters start hoping that the party gets slaughtered in the next election, as they did circa 2005. "

    Ain't it a little early for this kind of crucifixion, Potter? Mind you, Iggy gets no sympathy from me because of the way he treated Dion. This is all great poetic justice as far as I am concerned. Having said that, even I can recognize the fact that some media folks are doing their best to feed the feed the frenzy…

    How about we discuss the stimulus funding going to Tory riding in a disproportionate fashion a la sponsorship scandal instead? Or is that not salacious enough?

    • 'a la sponsorship scandal '?
      So you think municiple, provincial and the federal governments are complicite in some kind of money laundering scheme?
      As in kick-backs going into candidates and party coffers…?
      As in brown envelopes stuffed with stolen taxpayer cash being paid out?

  6. I am told iggy has endosed Dion as a Liberal candidate in St. Laurent within the past 24 hours, so this is no longer really relevant. (Don't know where the endorsement was made, however).

    • I'm kind of surprised that Dion would want to stay in. Politics is a blood sport, and I don't think Dion is cut out for it.

  7. It does the country a great disservice when the "alternative to government" leading opposition party is in such self-induced disarray. If significant corners of the Liberal Party are hoping they lose, this is very bad news for Canada. Assuming a Tory plurality next election, whether minority or majority, such a victory would be far better for the country if the second-place party at least put up a decent challenge.

  8. In order to curate Paul Martin's electoral legacy, one would have to inherit a flaming bag of dog poo in the form of a corruption scandal from one's predeccessor. I don't see how Ignatieff could possibly do that at this point.

  9. The coalition gamble was Dion's flaming bag of dog poo. The photo-op between Dion, Duceppe and Layton is a picture not easily erased from the minds of voters. Ditto for MI's signature.

  10. I think this has more to do with hatred towards Corderre than anything else. Hence the last sentence:

    'Leave him alone, Mr. Coderre.'

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