Muslim protesters burn poppies in London

Protesters say Armistice Day honours “British terrorists”


 

Roughly 35 Islamic protesters, many masked, demonstrated in London on Armistice Day, carrying banners that read “Islam will dominate” and “Hands off Muslim lands.” The group burnt a giant red poppy in Hyde Park at 11 a.m., just as millions of Britons and Canadians observed two minutes of silence to honour soldiers past and present. “The British soldiers you remember on this day are soldiers who have taken innocent lives in illegal occupations and unjust wars,” Asad Ullah a 23-year-old protester told The Telegraph. He added: “We will do this again. Until the British people condemn the British Government for these illegal wars, we will not stop protesting.” Members of the group clashed with police as they made their way through Kensington. Around 50 counter-demonstrators organized by the anti-Muslim English Defence League gathered nearby, but officers managed to keep the two groups apart. Three people were arrested in a scuffle, including one Muslim protester who assaulted a police officer. The officer was sent to hospital with a head injury.

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Muslim protesters burn poppies in London

  1. You stupid ignorant people. Rememberance day is to remember people that died in the world wars defending our country from an evil dictator who was attacking us. We DID NOT try to occupy Germany or any other country and WE ARE STILL NOT. If you love hate us so much why do you live here and STEAL our jobs and money and slate our country> either shut up or go back to where you belong

  2. You stupid ignorant people. Rememberance day is to remember people that died in the world wars defending our country from an evil dictator who was attacking us. We DID NOT try to occupy Germany or any other country and WE ARE STILL NOT. If you love hate us so much why do you live here and STEAL our jobs and money and slate our country> either shut up or go back to where you belong

    • Canadian soldiers didn't die defending Canada… they died defending Britain, and Britain at the time was still occupying many countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Get your facts straight.

      • Actually, you need to get your facts straight. The Germans had a weather station in Newfoundland so that they could monitor our shipping in order to destroy our ships leaving Canada. So, Canadian soldiers actually did die defending Canada and Canadians. Just because the Germans did not actually invade Canada, it does not mean they did not attack us.

        • Don't forget to mention that those ships were being used in the war against them. It's not like the Germans were blowing up random ships just because they were evil.

          • Actually, errrr, they kinda were…

          • I think the point I was making is that this is what happens in war. Its not like the German soldiers were out there killing people because they were all evil – they were out there killing because that is what a soldier does. Canada was not only sending soldiers, but was also sending all sorts of supplies/munitions to help the Allied cause. I'm not actually condoning the attacks – but I think the distinction needs to be made that they were not simply attacking random ships because they are evil and they just love killing.

        • And what do you call U-Boats in the St. Lawrence River if not 'invading Canada'?

          • The intent was not to "invade Canada", but to disrupt/destroy Allied supply lines.

          • I don't particularly care what their intent was, if the result was invading one of our most important rivers! I find that shocking, that a war happening "over there" results in the enemy, not just in our backyard, but in the middle of our house!

          • Well – it certainly is not a pleasant feeling.
            While the battles were taking place across the ocean, the war dominated pretty much everything "over here" during that time period. The reality is – if you involve yourself in a war, should you not be willing to face the horrible risks that come with that? It's a bizarre double standard to be willing to contribute, but not be willing to face the direct consequences of such actions. We're very fortunate here in North America not to have experienced the full force of war on our native soil.

          • Exactly. Obviously I don't actually advocate for such a thing, but I do think it must be easier for a citizenry to get behind what their soldiers are doing if the conflict impacts on their daily lives, as experienced in WWI and WWII. And as you say, even then we didn't experience the full, unvarnished horror.

      • Canadians aren't (directly) implicated in this at all.

        However, I share the sentiments of Anonymous: Armistice Day is to remember those who fought – and often died – in defence of Britain. Regardless of how one might view the foreign policies of Britain, one should respect the sacrifice and honour of those who nobly offered their lives in service to their country – "nobly" meaning in uniform, as part of a clearly identified military fighting unit fighting other military units; not as cowards dressed as civilians and blowing up random targets with bombs in an undeclared war. Anyone with no respect for the honour and valor of these soldiers should perhaps find another country to live in. And that would apply in Canada to any who would dishonour our soldiers in a similar manner, as well.

        • But I think this is the large problem with wars. One persons heroes are another persons enemies. With that said – they are on British soil – what are they to expect? The savagery of war makes people animals. I consider myself very fortunate that I have not experienced (in my life time) anything where loved ones have been brutalized, and I shudder to wonder at how such a thing would change both me and my values.

          With that said, I very much agree that the military deserves respect, even if I do not agree with when and how it is used at times. As they say – don't hate the player – hate the game.

          In my studies of history back in the day, I put a good degree of focus on WWI and WWII. Years after my studies, while traveling Western Europe with a friend, I even took the time to visit various locations in both France and Belgium where many Canadians lost their lives. I can't even imagine how I would feel if I would experience something like this incident during a moment while I was paying my respect…

      • You get your facts straight you ignorant goof. They protected innocent and defenceless people who lived in their own country and surrounding countries and were fellow citizens, who lived and laughed alongside them, until they decided they were superior and tried to annihilate them. Or, are you one of the truely stupid to believe that none of that ever happened?! Moron.

    • "You stupid ignorant people. Rememberance day is to remember people that died in the world wars defending our country from an evil dictator who was attacking us."

      First, you're not very nice.
      Second, that evil dictator thingy was WWII. Remembrance day is celebrated on the date of the armistice of WWI.
      Third, it's hard to steal a job, especially the types many immigrants work at.
      Fourth, you're raging against a tiny fringe protest in London, UK … so you can't get your countries straight either.
      Fifth, the several million service men and women stationed in Germany during and after the Cold War might quibble a bit with your view of post-war history vis a vis occupation.
      Lastly, please note that these fringe nutters were met by another bunch of fringe nutters who hate immigrants … kind of like the old British Union of Fascists. Of course THEY quite liked the evil dictator guy you started off raging about.

      I think you're really confused about most things. Try some tea and have a nap.

      • I think the one thing that is very clear here (via the thumb rankings) is that hate breeds hate.
        Some of these responses are just as abhorred as the actions taken by these fools.

    • So you'll be taking the next flight back to the Middle East? Surely living here amongst all us Zionist and white trash must leave you daily in an apoplectic state.

      Britain did not choose the war; the Germans did. Canadians fought alongside the British because we were part of the empire – and because it was the right thing to do. It was a "World War"; millions were displaced and killed in many corners of the globe. If not for the Allied troops, the Middle East would have been under Nazi rule for a long time. Given your expressed views here, I'm sure you are grateful to them for the Holocaust, but do you really think your people's turn wouldn't have eventually come? They weren't exactly fond of those who were different from them.

      I welcome all immigrants who come here to be Canadian, but if you really hate us that much, and disrespect our soldiers and our heritage to such a degree, then it's time for you to consider leaving.

    • So in your so limited mind "Allah" means God of Hatred, Lord of Killing and gruesome death, and Lord of Annihilation! I thought "Allah" means peace, am I wrong?

      If your assertion is true of your love of Palestinians, why do Palestinians have no rights and freedom in Islamic Middle Eastern Countries, compared to those Palistinians living inside Israel itself? They can not even own properties in any countries in Middle East where they happen to live. They are not even allowed to work in certain(restricted in many) jobs? Are you just using them as you disposable tool and puppets for your hatred?

    • Allah is the same G-d that I believe in and you ignorant hate-monger is the very creature that he abhors and wishes did not exist. One day He, and not any of the innocent, life loving people you want to murder in cold blood, will pay you all back Himself! You truly are hateful. How is it that animals like you can even function. It cannont be possible that you even possess a soul.

    • Well, one thing is for sure. Allah really isn't sending you off to 72 virgins. Do you really believe that crap that you've been indoctrinated with? Are you all so blind and stupid as to believe what some many hundred year old pedophile wished you to believe? You need to go back to the basis of what your religion teaches and figure out what is really good and what is truly evil. You, sir, are an ignorant evil.

  3. One wonders why?? Does Islam wish to intergrate or not. If not why come to a country whoses values you hate Why cry when others then tell you to leave If you do not wish to conform leave go back to the country whose believes you cherish
    Just don't ask for help when the theocrates beat and kill your friends because yu do not conform enought to their ways
    People lost their lives so you could have freedoms People iike these who do value this sacrifice should be shipped back to country of origin even if they were born here.

  4. One wonders why?? Does Islam wish to intergrate or not. If not why come to a country whoses values you hate Why cry when others then tell you to leave If you do not wish to conform leave go back to the country whose believes you cherish
    Just don't ask for help when the theocrates beat and kill your friends because yu do not conform enought to their ways
    People lost their lives so you could have freedoms People iike these who do value this sacrifice should be shipped back to country of origin even if they were born here.

    • I totally agree – don't waste our taxes by putting them in jail, send them back – let them do this in their 'home' country. We don't need that kind in our country.

      • We all wish that could happen, eh!! but it won't!! they want to take over our countries. they will not be satisfied till there is only them. and our pollys will not raise a finger to put an end to it. we need pollys who have REAL backbones and the cojones to FACE the problem.

    • What on earth do you mean " Does Islam wish to intergrate or not."? How silly to assume that this group speaks for a billion people who follow Islam. They are individuals.

      These people are in a relatively free country and one of the freedoms they have is the freedom to dissent. They do not have to conform with your opinions. That's part of the freedom that soldiers have died for.

      • But why do they go to live in countries that they believe are run by heathens and show utter contempt for those who already live there? The glaring contradiction / irony is asinine. If their home land is such a wonderful place….why go elsewhere? The fact is there home land is a terrible place to be and it's their beliefs that have made it so.

      • you are ever so right. it is good that the soldiers died for the right to be insulted by those who disrespect them anyway. GO SOLDIERS.

    • "Does Islam wish to integrate or not?"

      Not.

    • i think i love you

  5. This is totally revolting. The whole lot should have been arrested and made an example of. Not that I agree with everything the EDL stands for, but I applaud them for making a stand. It is a shame that the other citizens who saw this utter disrespect for their vets and values did not take action against the Muslims as well. Where are the Lions of Briton? Stand up for your country!

  6. This is totally revolting. The whole lot should have been arrested and made an example of. Not that I agree with everything the EDL stands for, but I applaud them for making a stand. It is a shame that the other citizens who saw this utter disrespect for their vets and values did not take action against the Muslims as well. Where are the Lions of Briton? Stand up for your country!

    • It makes you a bit of a hypocrite, thinking that it's oaky for EDL to spit their bile while saying this other group shouldn't.
      One of your rights in a democratic country is the right to protest, including the actions of the military past and present.
      Another right is that your speech is protected — especially unpopular speech, as popular speech really doesn't need protection, now does it?
      These kids are clearly over the top, rude, and acting in extremely poor taste.
      But they are no threat to democracy.
      Demanding that cops round them up for saying and doing things you object to — that's a real threat to our freedoms.

      • It is morons like you that are a danger to our society. Think before you write hogwash like this! Nobody said anything about their fkkn cult!! We are celebrating the bravery of people who died so wankers like you could call us hypocrites!! Take them back to their country with you and let them hate you as much as you want them to. I am quite ok with that. If you want them to be able to spew hate, you should accommodate our retaliation too, otherwise you are a bigger bit of hypocrite than citizen_CA and me!!

        • Eddie, you are the one who is spewing hate. One of the things our soldiers have died for is freedom of expression.

          • So you are saying I should not express myself, eh! Only they can!?? Is that it?

          • Feel free to express yourself. Just bear in mind that when you spew hatred at all Muslims for the actions of a few idiots, then you put yourself in the same category as they are in – irrationally hating al those in a group different from your own.

            As I've indicated here in other posts, I abhore what these idiots have done; I just don't think it is reflective of the views of British or Canadian Muslims generally – esp. in light of how few attended the rally.

          • Well said. Frankly, I'm shocked by the bigotry and double standards in this thread. Amazing at how irrational people become when something makes them angry. Talk about an angry mob…

          • try having freedom of expression in a muslim country you idiot.

          • So you say that you want to mimic their society? Do away with free speech and the right to associate? Doesn't sound terribly Canadian to me…

          • I don't agree with with much of your opinions, nor your misguided nickname. With that said – I don't hate you. I do pity you though, you sad creature of hatred…

          • I don't hate muslims, but I do agree with you on that point.

    • If you have been to London lately you would not believe your eyes. It is virtually a muslim country already. They are all over England, all over Holland and all over France. Soon they will be all over Canada as well and doing the same thing in Canada, unless we get wise and stop letting these bastards that don't integrate in.

      • Perhaps we need to start opening up some camps, and taking care of this problem of undesirables? If only some smart brave people such as yourself would come up with some sort of final solution to this problem. What a glorious and beautiful world we would have then…

  7. And they wonder why people keep on thinking that Islam is a religion of violence.

  8. And they wonder why people keep on thinking that Islam is a religion of violence.

    • Sad. The funny thing is that by taking such a disgusting stance, they marginalize any off the valid points that they could be making.

      • they are not interested in our view of their cult. did you read that line,"Islam will dominate"?? that is what they are working towards. they are not interested in making any other point!!

        • Actually, the main issue they are trying to raise awareness on is the death of children and civilians by British soldiers. But naaaaaaaaaah – right – That could never be true?

    • Islam is the religion of peace. It is the religion of TRUTH. The poppy is a symbol of Zionist and Xristian aggression. WW2 was devastating for Islamic nations and destroyed Palestine via the false import of white trash European Zionist into the Middle east . These problems still persist. Glorious Iran will annihilate the Zionist state and the rest of the world will fall to Islam, Insha'allah.

      • So much for peace & truth…

      • Boy are you in for a surprise when you kick the bucket. Allah is gonna have a field day…

      • Have you just read how sick your reasoning is? You actually just proven my point. How you combine the prase "Islam a religion of peace" with "Annihilate" is so funny that I am tearing up. You might like to try your hand at comedy, there is more future in it.

      • i rest my case.

      • If you believe in your truth so much, please go out on the streets of Canada and preach it, just like you did here, but don't cover your face.

        By the way, your Glorious Iran is running out of water, and the only thing Iran can annihilate is the will of the Iranian people. Also, Iran is like a withered prune compared to what Israel can offer the world.

  9. I am appaulled. I had a job interview scheduled at 11:00 on rememberance day, but out of respect we held the moment of silence for 11/11/1918, and all others lost in the wars. I am a Canadian of Dutch decent. Having the Canadians liberate the Netherlands makes rembmerance day extremely meaningful to me. I realize that if we did not protect our lands and get help from allies, Europe could very well not be the way it is, nor the entire world, including muslim occupied territories. It truely was a fight for the freedom of the world, and I guess some people somehow see that as being offensive….??? I can't beleive the ignorance! You almost get the sense that WW III will arise because of events like this. It seems like Islam is challenging and provoking the world. Do they really want a war to errupt? I don't see the logic. I don't see why anyone would want to ever bring the world back to such a fragile state. I don't see any valid point in this act.

  10. I am appaulled. I had a job interview scheduled at 11:00 on rememberance day, but out of respect we held the moment of silence for 11/11/1918, and all others lost in the wars. I am a Canadian of Dutch decent. Having the Canadians liberate the Netherlands makes rembmerance day extremely meaningful to me. I realize that if we did not protect our lands and get help from allies, Europe could very well not be the way it is, nor the entire world, including muslim occupied territories. It truely was a fight for the freedom of the world, and I guess some people somehow see that as being offensive….??? I can't beleive the ignorance! You almost get the sense that WW III will arise because of events like this. It seems like Islam is challenging and provoking the world. Do they really want a war to errupt? I don't see the logic. I don't see why anyone would want to ever bring the world back to such a fragile state. I don't see any valid point in this act.

  11. Canadian soldiers didn't die defending Canada… they died defending Britain, and Britain at the time was still occupying many countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Get your facts straight.

  12. Actually, you need to get your facts straight. The Germans had a weather station in Newfoundland so that they could monitor our shipping in order to destroy our ships leaving Canada. So, Canadian soldiers actually did die defending Canada and Canadians. Just because the Germans did not actually invade Canada, it does not mean they did not attack us.

  13. Canadians aren't (directly) implicated in this at all.

    However, I share the sentiments of Anonymous: Armistice Day is to remember those who fought – and often died – in defence of Britain. Regardless of how one might view the foreign policies of Britain, one should respect the sacrifice and honour of those who nobly offered their lives in service to their country – "nobly" meaning in uniform, as part of a clearly identified military fighting unit fighting other military units; not as cowards dressed as civilians and blowing up random targets with bombs in an undeclared war. Anyone with no respect for the honour and valor of these soldiers should perhaps find another country to live in. And that would apply in Canada to any who would dishonour our soldiers in a similar manner, as well.

  14. You're slightly confused. Remembrance/Veterans Day is more than WWI/WWII – it really blankets all wars. As much as I am repulsed by what they have done here, they are hardly stupid or ignorant…

  15. Sad. The funny thing is that by taking such a disgusting stance, they marginalize any off the valid points that they could be making.

  16. It is indeed baffling. I think many of us are incredibly fortunate that we never grew up in environments that breed such narrow rage.

  17. Don't forget to mention that those ships were being used in the war against them. It's not like the Germans were blowing up random ships just because they were evil.

  18. Plenty of ships were sunk in Canadian waters, and Nfld in particular was targetted (though I'll note before someone else does that NL was not yet part of Canada). Two examples – the sinking of a civilian passenger ferry – http://www.heritage.nf.ca/law/caribou_sinking.htm… – and the sinking of four ore carriers in harbour: http://www.heritage.nf.ca/law/bi_sinkings.html

    So civilians were killed in North America by German forces. Something most people forget.

  19. Also…I don't get it. If they are so vohemently passionate about their cause…why mask their faces? If what they are protesting is so "right"…why not stand behind your convictions like a man and show your face?

    Oh that's right….because they forgot what being a man is all about while stapping bombs to themselves and blowing up innocent people while hiding behind women and children when REAL men come to stop you….but then they are the bad guys eh?

    Viscious cycle when you are fricking crazy!

  20. Also…I don't get it. If they are so vohemently passionate about their cause…why mask their faces? If what they are protesting is so "right"…why not stand behind your convictions like a man and show your face?

    Oh that's right….because they forgot what being a man is all about while stapping bombs to themselves and blowing up innocent people while hiding behind women and children when REAL men come to stop you….but then they are the bad guys eh?

    Viscious cycle when you are fricking crazy!

  21. Something is seriously wrong with Islam, believers of this faith has to really start scrutinizing where there religion is heading and where their Imams and Mullahs are taking them. I have read somewhere that the word "Allah" means peace, yet most of their followers are doing and advocating the exact opposite. Does it mean that these people do not believe in Allah but are his enemies? Do they worship and believe in Mohammad more instead of Allah? Mohammad is just human and has his own prejudices and failings (as human beings, no one is perfect), can't they go beyond Mohammad and directly consider what Allah really means? I have not seen any other religion that clings on violence more than Islam, why is that?

  22. Something is seriously wrong with Islam, believers of this faith has to really start scrutinizing where there religion is heading and where their Imams and Mullahs are taking them. I have read somewhere that the word "Allah" means peace, yet most of their followers are doing and advocating the exact opposite. Does it mean that these people do not believe in Allah but are his enemies? Do they worship and believe in Mohammad more instead of Allah? Mohammad is just human and has his own prejudices and failings (as human beings, no one is perfect), can't they go beyond Mohammad and directly consider what Allah really means? I have not seen any other religion that clings on violence more than Islam, why is that?

    • "I have not seen any other religion that clings on violence more than Islam, why is that? "
      Well – in this day and age.

      As an individual who was raised a Roman Catholic and studied history in university, all I can say is yikes.

      • At least Roman Catholics did self introspection long, long time ago and at least manage to grow up a little in this day and age (they still need a lot of growing up though). Somehow Islam got stuck in the childhood phase even to this day. Is it because Mohammad micromanage everything to the littlest detail, that many forgot how to use their brain which God gave them? If you follow Christianity, Judaism, and I have heard Islam too, they all believe in ten commandments. You wonder why so called God was so sparse with words, yet Mohammad could not stop giving it? He should have followed his God's example and say as little as possible, to avoid potential misinterpretation.

        • I think the point I'm really aiming for is that many religions have contributed to many bad things, both in the past and in the present. Presently, Christianity has plenty of priests who are molesters, followers who are murderers, etc. I'm not sure it is fair for you to beat up on a faith simply because of the rogue extreme elements. I find these vast generalizations directed against believers of Islam as somewhat silly….

          • Molesters and murderers did not do their crimes in the name of God as terrorists do. You mistake criminal actions done by individuals and criminal actions sanctioned by religion. "Kill, kill, kill the infidels" is chanted in many muslim streets, cities, towns, and countries. Islam domination placard is very commonly seen and raised by Islam protesters. Imams and Mullahs constantly issue violent Fatwas. Beating up on faith? Questioning and criticizing it is the only way people and faith can grow up. What went wrong with Islam was what went wrong with Christianity long time ago – just taking the word without question what came out from the mouth of Priests and Church leaders as gospels. Christianity did not grow out of it until followers started asking questions and really started thinking. Your politically correct bias is what will keep people forever blind and infantile. You might like to visit the following website:
            http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/storie
            http://www.averroespress.com/AverroesPress/Main/M

      • Oh great you studied history. In that case you know that Islam has exclusively been spread by the sword, and that they were only stopped by Christian armies in Poitiers and in Vienna, and that the crusades were a response to the muslim conquest of the holy land.

        That's not to say that other religions have an immaculate past, but its senseless to pretend that Roman Catholicism and Islam are even in the same league. Mohammed was a warrior after all. And only Islam's scriptures actually command the faithful to take up the sword to spread the faith, to kill unbelievers and apostates, and to subject non-muslims to various forms of discrimination.

        • I wonder what was Mohammad's prime intention in creating this religion? Was it really about spreading God's word or to successfully unite warring & violent tribes in gaining glory and power? His teachings were way far from prophet like and more towards serial violence. Peace and love seems to be only for those who belong to the same sect as the majority (well, while they are inside Mecca, no guarantees once one is outside), it is not even for Islam's minority sects. Or is the violence due to leaders, Imams and Mullahs that took over after Mohammad's death? Was he the last prophet or a false prophet? Just asking and curious…

          • This is the problem with these religions – determining what is fact and what is myth. Figuring out who the real Mohammad was is akin to figuring out who the historical Jesus was – not at all easy. Perhaps what N said can be applied to Islam – where in this world there was one true Christian, and he died on the cross.

        • How do you think Christianity spread across Europe? Better question – what type of tolerance was accepted towards those who were not down with conversion? And even better – how many horrible events have been completely forgotten because those who controlled the books deemed it "heresy", and thus destroyed the knowledge? The blood spilled for Christianity has been immense, as is the hypocrisy of many of its followers. In particular, I find it loathsome that so many take on this "we're better than them" attitude. Sure, we've fine tuned some things, but what about that eye for an eye?

          • Christianity spread across Europe because of Constantine – but he did not go around and kill the pagans until they converted. Neither did Charlemagne. You`re right that the blood spilled for christinaity has been immense, but on that scale the blood spilled for islam is a lot more than immense.

            it`s not a `we`re better than them attittude` it`s a `christianity is better than islam` attitude. and frankly if you look at the societies that they both produced, you have to be pretty wilfully blind to not agree.

          • Holy over-simplification of hundreds of years of history batman!

            I really don't think you have the background or expertise to weigh/judge the amount of blood that has been spilled. You can believe whatever you wish – you simply don't have the means to really prove it. But isn't that what faith is all about?

            In any case – I'm not trying to prove that Islam is better than Christianity – I'm saying that it is stupid and naive to generalize on either side.

          • Amen to that. Let us stop demonizing people.

          • Yes, I agree, my post was not a complete description of the history of early christianity! It was not meant to be, in fact you would need many books in order not to oversimplify.

            I agree that generalizing is stupid in the sense, that any individual muslim ought to be judged on his own merits. But its also stupid to pretend that the religions themselves and their associated cultures are equal, unless you're just trying to show how politically correct you are. Would you want to live in a predominantly muslim country? If not, ask yourself why.

          • This accusation of being "politically correct" has been dropped several times. What the devil does that have do do with my views on the failures/hypocrisies of Christianity?

            Once again – I'm not advocating that the Muslim country life is the bomb. By all means – some aspects of their culture and lifestyle warrant criticism. But – I do think one of the big problems in this conflict is this Western world smug sense of superiority, and this in turn helps breed this hatred. For some people, it can easily be equated to the colonization of North America, where the common belief was that the natives were all simple savages. Just think about why so many people outside of North America hate Americans? I'm not even talking about the Arab world here – think Europe (and why Americans wear a Canadian emblem while traveling). Is it really because they hate freedom?

          • Well, in terms of smug european douchebags who have a hate on for americans, frankly I think the correct response is to tell these european morons to go shove it and to remind them that they owe North America a huge debt of gratitude for saving their @ss in WW1, WW2, and the cold war. These faux-sophisticates who are currently spending their way to bankruptcy and rioting in the streets if a government dares raise the retirement age to 62 have no lessons to give to ANYONE, specially not the americans.

          • Ummmmm…. I don't have anything more to discuss.
            I'll just get my coat.

          • Funny you say that, as these nutters as you say attacks everyone, not only America. They even attack Islam Minority sects as they are not Islam enough. "Kill, kill the infidels" is not meant for Americans only but anyone whomever is slightly different than them. If you think Canadians are not targeted (no matter how me might like and smug to think that), then you are wearing big blinders – we are just like anybody from their own faith (whom they do not agree with) – targetted.

          • correction: ( no matter how we might like…)

          • Indeed. If only we could find some good people that could find some sort of "solution" to this problem, then we "finally" would enjoy peace, right?

          • "the Muslim country life is the bomb"… I'm trying to determine whether to laugh or to sigh at the double entendre…

          • I'll tell you one thing – this thread is almost making me want to cry!

  23. I ALSO THINK THAT THE MUSLIM FAITH IS NOTHING BUT AN EXCUSE TO TERRORIZE, KILL AND MAME IN THE WORD OF THEIR GOD????. I WISH THAT THEY WERE ALL REMOVED FROM CANADA.
    END OF DISCUSSION

  24. I ALSO THINK THAT THE MUSLIM FAITH IS NOTHING BUT AN EXCUSE TO TERRORIZE, KILL AND MAME IN THE WORD OF THEIR GOD????. I WISH THAT THEY WERE ALL REMOVED FROM CANADA.
    END OF DISCUSSION

    • Why are you yelling?

      • because you are ignorant or deaf

        • Ummmmmm – why not – I'll bite – how am I ignorant or deaf?
          The yelling comment was me mocking the dramatic use of capital letters,
          WHICH IN TYPE, IS AKIN TO SOMEONE YELLING!!!

    • Kenney, religion does not cause all of this terror, people do, and unfortunately, there are those that use it as an excuse to terrorize the whole lot of us. We need to make that distinction and stop these ******s. And–let him yell if he wants to. I sure feel like it reading some of these assinine comments!

    • I feel the same way…islam is a form of government and they are using it to force every nation in the world to adhere to their ways. If you type "Dhimmitude" into your search engine, you may find out how they are using islam for war against the rest of the world.

  25. "I have not seen any other religion that clings on violence more than Islam, why is that? "
    Well – in this day and age.

    As an individual who was raised a Roman Catholic and studied history in university, all I can say is yikes.

  26. The media should try to not label people like these as "muslims" and instead go with words like "extremist" or "fringe".

    The media will make the difference when it comes to christian nut jobs doing stupid things.

  27. The media should try to not label people like these as "muslims" and instead go with words like "extremist" or "fringe".

    The media will make the difference when it comes to christian nut jobs doing stupid things.

    • That is a very valid point.

    • I think it says a lot that there were only 35 or so Muslim protesters and 50 EDL counter-protesters. The presence of the counter-protesters would imply that the event itself had some prior publicity aimed at getting as many out to the protest as possible – and yet only 35 showed up.

      Given the small number, in a city with a fair-sized Muslim community, I agree that it seems a bit of a smear to simply call them Muslim as if all Muslims are in support.

  28. But I think this is the large problem with wars. One persons heroes are another persons enemies. With that said – they are on British soil – what are they to expect? The savagery of war makes people animals. I consider myself very fortunate that I have not experienced (in my life time) anything where loved ones have been brutalized, and I shudder to wonder at how such a thing would change both me and my values.

    With that said, I very much agree that the military deserves respect, even if I do not agree with when and how it is used at times. As they say – don't hate the player – hate the game.

    In my studies of history back in the day, I put a good degree of focus on WWI and WWII. Years after my studies, while traveling Western Europe with a friend, I even took the time to visit various locations in both France and Belgium where many Canadians lost their lives. I can't even imagine how I would feel if I would experience something like this incident during a moment while I was paying my respect…

  29. That is a very valid point.

  30. Why are you yelling?

  31. Islam is a violent religion, regardless what the polically correct say. Their motto is "Slay the infidel wherever he is". The terms related to Islam are "dhimmitude" and "jizyria", which means state of inferiority of the non-muslim and tax to pay for not being killed. I would expel them all back, to where they came.

  32. Islam is a violent religion, regardless what the polically correct say. Their motto is "Slay the infidel wherever he is". The terms related to Islam are "dhimmitude" and "jizyria", which means state of inferiority of the non-muslim and tax to pay for not being killed. I would expel them all back, to where they came.

    • Well, our tradition does carry this little ditty:

      Deuteronomy 20:16-18 (King James Version)

      But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

      But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

      That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

      And this one:

      Samuel 15:2-3 (New International Version)

      This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'”

      • Had Christians not question and criticize the applications of those verses by suppose to be messengers of God (?), Christianity would still be in medieval times just like Islam. Are those guys writing and compiling what will be on the bible under the influence of hallucinogenic chemicals? Are Marijuana and Opium that old? Lucky for Christians they have New testament of Jesus as a saving grace. Taking Jesus extremely calm demeanor even during the most difficult time of his life, he might be a marijuana guy. Those above guys might be under the influence of heroin or Methamphetamine, just too violent, bloody and gory.

        • Correction: Were those guys who wrote and compiled the bible under the influence of…

      • I'm not christian and yes christianity has done the same…look at the american indian if you forgot how bad christians are.
        I dont believe anything but love should be a part of any religion. Of course I know that would mean a world with money greed power etc.

  33. I am truly Thankful that I did not personaly witness this happen……

  34. I am truly Thankful that I did not personaly witness this happen……

    • me2, or there would be 30-40 dead terrorists

  35. At least Roman Catholics did self introspection long, long time ago and at least manage to grow up a little in this day and age (they still need a lot of growing up though). Somehow Islam got stuck in the childhood phase even to this day. Is it because Mohammad micromanage everything to the littlest detail, that many forgot how to use their brain which God gave them? If you follow Christianity, Judaism, and I have heard Islam too, they all believe in ten commandments. You wonder why so called God was so sparse with words, yet Mohammad could not stop giving it? He should have followed his God's example and say as little as possible, to avoid potential misinterpretation.

  36. oh oh, these islamic protesters are subjecting muslims to hatred and contempt!

  37. "You stupid ignorant people. Rememberance day is to remember people that died in the world wars defending our country from an evil dictator who was attacking us."

    First, you're not very nice.
    Second, that evil dictator thingy was WWII. Remembrance day is celebrated on the date of the armistice of WWI.
    Third, it's hard to steal a job, especially the types many immigrants work at.
    Fourth, you're raging against a tiny fringe protest in London, UK … so you can't get your countries straight either.
    Fifth, the several million service men and women stationed in Germany during and after the Cold War might quibble a bit with your view of post-war history vis a vis occupation.
    Lastly, please note that these fringe nutters were met by another bunch of fringe nutters who hate immigrants … kind of like the old British Union of Fascists. Of course THEY quite liked the evil dictator guy you started off raging about.

    I think you're really confused about most things. Try some tea and have a nap.

  38. oh oh, these islamic protesters are subjecting muslims to hatred and contempt!

  39. It makes you a bit of a hypocrite, thinking that it's oaky for EDL to spit their bile while saying this other group shouldn't.
    One of your rights in a democratic country is the right to protest, including the actions of the military past and present.
    Another right is that your speech is protected — especially unpopular speech, as popular speech really doesn't need protection, now does it?
    These kids are clearly over the top, rude, and acting in extremely poor taste.
    But they are no threat to democracy.
    Demanding that cops round them up for saying and doing things you object to — that's a real threat to our freedoms.

  40. One we should all keep in mind. Its not like that dude in Florida who was threatening to burn the Koran was representative of the vast majority of Christians. He was consistently described as a fringe preacher with followers in the dozens, if that many.

    Most of the world's Muslims live in Asia. They really shouldn't be lumped together with the end-timers and haters.

  41. Well, our tradition does carry this little ditty:

    Deuteronomy 20:16-18 (King James Version)

    But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

    But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

    That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

    And this one:

    Samuel 15:2-3 (New International Version)

    This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'”

  42. Oh great you studied history. In that case you know that Islam has exclusively been spread by the sword, and that they were only stopped by Christian armies in Poitiers and in Vienna, and that the crusades were a response to the muslim conquest of the holy land.

    That's not to say that other religions have an immaculate past, but its senseless to pretend that Roman Catholicism and Islam are even in the same league. Mohammed was a warrior after all. And only Islam's scriptures actually command the faithful to take up the sword to spread the faith, to kill unbelievers and apostates, and to subject non-muslims to various forms of discrimination.

  43. Deport these ignorant people back to the uncivilized world.

  44. Deport these ignorant people back to the uncivilized world.

    • Agree…..I am also curious to know how many are British Citizens ?

      • None are British Citizens. The legal criteria for citizenship does not suit the criteria for the definition of citizenship.

  45. I think the point I'm really aiming for is that many religions have contributed to many bad things, both in the past and in the present. Presently, Christianity has plenty of priests who are molesters, followers who are murderers, etc. I'm not sure it is fair for you to beat up on a faith simply because of the rogue extreme elements. I find these vast generalizations directed against believers of Islam as somewhat silly….

  46. I wonder what was Mohammad's prime intention in creating this religion? Was it really about spreading God's word or to successfully unite warring & violent tribes in gaining glory and power? His teachings were way far from prophet like and more towards serial violence. Peace and love seems to be only for those who belong to the same sect as the majority (well, while they are inside Mecca, no guarantees once one is outside), it is not even for Islam's minority sects. Or is the violence due to leaders, Imams and Mullahs that took over after Mohammad's death? Was he the last prophet or a false prophet? Just asking and curious…

  47. How do you think Christianity spread across Europe? Better question – what type of tolerance was accepted towards those who were not down with conversion? And even better – how many horrible events have been completely forgotten because those who controlled the books deemed it "heresy", and thus destroyed the knowledge? The blood spilled for Christianity has been immense, as is the hypocrisy of many of its followers. In particular, I find it loathsome that so many take on this "we're better than them" attitude. Sure, we've fine tuned some things, but what about that eye for an eye?

  48. Molesters and murderers did not do their crimes in the name of God as terrorists do. You mistake criminal actions done by individuals and criminal actions sanctioned by religion. "Kill, kill, kill the infidels" is chanted in many muslim streets, cities, towns, and countries. Islam domination placard is very commonly seen and raised by Islam protesters. Imams and Mullahs constantly issue violent Fatwas. Beating up on faith? Questioning and criticizing it is the only way people and faith can grow up. What went wrong with Islam was what went wrong with Christianity long time ago – just taking the word without question what came out from the mouth of Priests and Church leaders as gospels. Christianity did not grow out of it until followers started asking questions and really started thinking. Your politically correct bias is what will keep people forever blind and infantile. You might like to visit the following website:
    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/storie
    http://www.averroespress.com/AverroesPress/Main/M

  49. This is the problem with these religions – determining what is fact and what is myth. Figuring out who the real Mohammad was is akin to figuring out who the historical Jesus was – not at all easy. Perhaps what N said can be applied to Islam – where in this world there was one true Christian, and he died on the cross.

  50. So what you are saying is it's okay for them to cling on violence and never get out from it, to pay for Christianity's past guilts? I may have no religion nor like Christianity's history but at least many christians wrote about those terrible times, and has been questioning, criticizing, and has keep learning from their past mistakes. Let us look at Islam's past at the same time frame as Christianity's past, Islam was also involved in so many violent, horrible, and loathsome actions. The difference was no one dared to write, let alone ask, nor criticize those actions. As I said earlier (top post) Christianity had undergone self introspections and stopped taking the churchmen's words as plain gospel. Had the Christians just went along with the church, they would have been just as stuck in the past. If I take your meaning, we should never dare to criticize nor ask Islam why was and is this so?

    Isn't it " eye for an eye" a part of the old testament that has been questioned, criticized by current Christians? How I wish followers of Islam will be doing these questioning, as criticisms will be taken better from the inside than those questions and criticisms made outside the faithful. But I have heard criticisms from the faithful are not well taken either.
    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/storie….
    http://www.averroespress.com/AverroesPress/Main/M….

  51. "Your politically correct bias is what will keep people forever blind and infantile."

    LoL!
    In any case – You make some valid points, but you also make some bizarre assumptions.
    Tell me more about "Christianity did not grow out of it". How does this evolution work?
    Where do we stand with things now? Is Christianity bang on, or will this be the case 50 years from now when it morphs further? Better yet – who was it that determined that God should not be feared, and that it is much better marketing to have Jesus as your best buddy who will always forgive you? If anything – this is the very thing that turns me away from Catholicism – this notion that you manipulate the infinite so that it can suit your needs. Is this not how we kill a God?

  52. "So what you are saying is it's okay for them to cling on violence and never get out from it, to pay for Christianity's past guilts?"

    Not at all. I just think it is silly to claim some form of moral superiority – to say one is better than the other. In this world there are some amazing people who practice the Islamic faith, just as there amazing people who practice Christian faith. Christianity has split into various different sects (RC's, protestants, etc), and the same has happened with Islam. I think the problem is that when something happens with Islamic nutters, people tend to throw them all into the same pot…

  53. "So what you are saying is it's okay for them to cling on violence and never get out from it, to pay for Christianity's past guilts?"

    Not at all. I just think it is silly to claim some form of moral superiority – to say one is better than the other. In this world there are some amazing people who practice the Islamic faith, just as there amazing people who practice Christian faith. Christianity has split into various different sects (RC's, protestants, etc), and the same has happened with Islam. I think the problem is that when something happens with Islamic nutters, people tend to throw them all into the same pot…

    • I have never claimed moral superiority, you just want to read beyond what is written and impose your own brand of superiority towards those who bother to ask questions and criticize.

      • But you have – you've given praise to the "evolution" of Christianity. But you haven't really sold me on this. Who are you to determine whether the changes are for good or bad? Who is to say that it is a direct result of these changes that we experience the wide range of social problems that we encounter here in North America? How much of our problems are the result of the people who have made their religion too comfortable, which enables them to do whatever they want, without consequences? Is it not problematic that we now live in a time where the only god people worship is themselves?

        • In a way you are saying that Islam might be right in issuing religious fatwas of death for those who dare question their religion? What are you trying to sell here? Are you saying that we should be harsh in judging Christianity's religious rigidness and past in all its fault but the same should not be done on Islam or any religion that might spouse violence, as the fear of violence might actually curtail social problems? Or are you trying to tell us that Christianity should have clung on their past rigidness and should do what many Islam fundamentalist are doing, by killing those whom dare question their belief to keep their faithful morally on line? By whose standard? Do you even know your mind? You seem very confused and lost. Yes, there are people who worship nothing but themselves (not all) but I would prefer living with them anytime than living with religious zealots who consider killing as part of their divine duty to a mystical God. If you feel you can't live with western values you abhor, there are actually other countries you can move to.

          • "In a way you are saying that Islam might be right in issuing religious fatwas of death for those who dare question their religion? "

            And once again, you make a bizarre erroneous deduction. I'm not saying that at all, but I guess that is how you prefer to read into this? Where am I actually telling you that Islam is better (or something like that)?

            "If you feel you can't live with western values you abhor, there are actually other countries you can move to."

            Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy…

        • You should read the links I posted above before you judge people like me who ask questions on Islam.

          • And you should not take things so personally, and then create your own personal narrative to justify your hatred.

          • Hatred? Your deduction is even way off the wall. Is asking questions now considered hatred? And killing people in the name of religion morally defensible? Are you sure, whatever your disappointments to your previous religion did not hinged your reasoning a little bit?

          • "Hatred" may have been a poor choice of words. "Suspicions" would have been much more adequate.

          • Suspicion? Yeah, 911 was just suspicion or probably even that is a poor choice of words. The bombing of Islamic Minority sects in Pakistan, Africa, Middle Easts, and Asia are just what, population control? Why not use dream or nightmare or a pigment of one's active imagination. As for Toronto 18, that was just suspicion or dream too. Not until dead litters the street, it does not really matter? After all they have the charter of rights and freedom for associating with whomever they please? If God forbid dead litters the street, it really is our fault for enticing them to kill us? Who knows the fear of mass dying my curtail our proclivity for social and moral degeneration? I got you, it is all our damned fault.

          • I wrote: "And you should not take things so personally, and then create your own personal narrative to justify your hatred. "

            You wrote: "Hatred? Your deduction is even way off the wall. Is asking questions now considered hatred?"

            I wrote: ""Hatred" may have been a poor choice of words. "Suspicions" would have been much more adequate. "

            You then ranted and mongered, then concluded: "I got you, it is all our damned fault. "

            Yes. That is exactly what I was advocating – "This is all our damned fault". As you have figured it out, there really is no need to drag this out any further.

          • Oh SamDavies, you are so brilliant!

          • If you say so. Personally, I think I just enjoy rambling…

          • There you go!

          • So you advocate acting on suspicion without proof? That's what Bush did over WMDs. That led to the entire Iraq war; many dead on both sides. The Iraq war was unjustified, and has, in the minds of many Muslims, justified the terrorists' actions and their own hatred of the West.

            We can certainly take action where we have evidence (see the Toronto 18). And perhaps we can be more cautious and restrictive with our immigration policies when people are coming from regions known to harbour terrorists. But we need to be aware that, just as their actions tend to solidify the monolithic veiw Westerners are increasingly taking toward Muslims – that they are all rabid, hate-filled killers of non-Muslims – so to do actions targetting them as a group serve to justify in their own minds the view that we are all infidels and devils worthy only of being killed.

            Down that path lies only death and destruction.

          • Good points…

          • Wow! Your Logic is just as absurd.

            Have you been taking hallucenogen lately? When did I ever say in my post to act based on mere suspicion? Is asking question nowadays a crime? If one ask questions does it automatically make one a Bush supporter? I abhor killings, thus I am asking questions on those who did with the support of their religious leaders. Not in my posts did I ever recommend any actions but questions. I thought Bush's war was an example of over reaching and stupidity (just as his presidency), but that's outside the topic of discussion. How you even get into that conclusion was way ridiculous just as Bush is. Do you just jump into a discussion without reading?

          • I actually read the whole exchange between you and Sam before "jumping in". Maybe it was just a "pigment" of my active imagination, but the rant about 911 et al sounded to me like a muddled and unfocussed call to arms. (Maybe the "taking hallucenogen" line is self-referential?)

            If my logic is so absurd, please feel free to make a point by point rebuttal.

          • No matter how I read and re read the comments I made, I could not understand how you reached such absurd deduction. Is stating what happened on 911, somehow becomes a taboo? Is remembering it, now considered a call for arms? When did that happen?

  54. Agree…..I am also curious to know how many are British Citizens ?

  55. Had Christians not question and criticize the applications of those verses by suppose to be messengers of God (?), Christianity would still be in medieval times just like Islam. Are those guys writing and compiling what will be on the bible under the influence of hallucinogenic chemicals? Are Marijuana and Opium that old? Lucky for Christians they have New testament of Jesus as a saving grace. Taking Jesus extremely calm demeanor even during the most difficult time of his life, he might be a marijuana guy. Those above guys might be under the influence of heroin or Methamphetamine, just too violent, bloody and gory.

  56. funny thing is, the ones WESTERNIZED are the ones preaching peace

    the original land owners over THERE all want us dead

    who do you believe?
    the ones that wear sheeps clothing?!?!?!?!!?

    EL OH EL

    WILL THE REAL SLIMM SHADY PLEASE STAND UP PLEASE STAND UP PLEASE STAND UP!
    will the real muslim please stand up
    never mind, we already know who is who

  57. funny thing is, the ones WESTERNIZED are the ones preaching peace

    the original land owners over THERE all want us dead

    who do you believe?
    the ones that wear sheeps clothing?!?!?!?!!?

    EL OH EL

    WILL THE REAL SLIMM SHADY PLEASE STAND UP PLEASE STAND UP PLEASE STAND UP!
    will the real muslim please stand up
    never mind, we already know who is who

  58. me2, or there would be 30-40 dead terrorists

  59. bah, simple insertions to incite riots
    no other reason to be there with their hate……

    why on earth else?

  60. bah, simple insertions to incite riots
    no other reason to be there with their hate……

    why on earth else?

    • Do you know how many Irqis have been killed by Goerge Bush's war, which was based on lies? At least 100,000, probably many more. And millions more made homeless refugees. Do you not think some people might have reason to hate what the Americans and British have done there?

      • Are you forgetting that terrorists are blowing up and killing Iraqis too? The number of deaths caused by them is far greater than from the US.

        • Huh? That's news to me. Can you back up this claim?

      • Do you know how many Iraqis were stuffed into woodchippers under Saddam Hussein? Or gassed, or raped, or brutally tortured? No you don't, because the old liberal media didn't really care, or they cut deals with Saddam so they could get 'exclusives' from Baghdad like CNN did. Saddam attacked 3 countries, tortured indiscriminately and killed millions, liberals may prefer that he kept going, but millions of people are better off now and you know it.

  61. because you are ignorant or deaf

  62. This just makes me SICK………..If we tried to do anything like this to something they thought was sacred they would riot in the streets.
    YET! We just go about and say OH ! it's ok !
    We fought for their right to voice their opinion………….

    Nuke it , Pave it and put a huge frigging gas pump in the middle.
    Problem solved……….. Ok just kidding …
    But enough already this is so wrong they could even think of doing this ….My grandfather went to HELL and back in WW2 and that is the thanks ……….SAD !!

  63. This just makes me SICK………..If we tried to do anything like this to something they thought was sacred they would riot in the streets.
    YET! We just go about and say OH ! it's ok !
    We fought for their right to voice their opinion………….

    Nuke it , Pave it and put a huge frigging gas pump in the middle.
    Problem solved……….. Ok just kidding …
    But enough already this is so wrong they could even think of doing this ….My grandfather went to HELL and back in WW2 and that is the thanks ……….SAD !!

    • They are working themselves up towards the actual frenzy.

    • I agree – it's sad that they so abuse the very freedoms the soldiers fought and died to protect. It's completely disrespectful, and while they have the right to protest in this fashion, so too do we have the right to express our disgust toward their actions. But let's remember too that it is only 35 out of thousands of Muslims who live in London…

      • Agree,, But the scary part is, that because of these 35 or so Instigators, anybody that even looks Muslim will be under public scrutiny.

        • Sadly – hatred breeds hatred. Such a vicious circle….

          • agreed. however, the side that wishes this circle ended is the side that will suffer if they stop standing up for themselves.

          • Agree…..

  64. When it comes to Christianity and religion, you ask the wrong person as I do not believe in it in the first place. It raises more questions than answers. I believe this one God belief has sprung from people's greed for power. They could easily conquer and unite people from one continent to another, without having to use different books for different Gods, and without having to supply different answers to same questions. They could easily scare people to obedience by just invoking one superior mystical being. If one God system can provoke so many questions, how much more if they preached for more Gods? This one God system is actually quite ingenious. It's one invention of men that I think is way up there with phone, television, cars and internet – if not more. Whether it is as beneficial as the others, depends on whose perspective you ask. Having said all that, every religion should be open for questions and criticisms – no exemptions. Death and injuries should not met those who dared to ask and criticize.

  65. When it comes to Christianity and religion, you ask the wrong person as I do not believe in it in the first place. It raises more questions than answers. I believe this one God belief has sprung from people's greed for power. They could easily conquer and unite people from one continent to another, without having to use different books for different Gods, and without having to supply different answers to same questions. They could easily scare people to obedience by just invoking one superior mystical being. If one God system can provoke so many questions, how much more if they preached for more Gods? This one God system is actually quite ingenious. It's one invention of men that I think is way up there with phone, television, cars and internet – if not more. Whether it is as beneficial as the others, depends on whose perspective you ask. Having said all that, every religion should be open for questions and criticisms – no exemptions. Death and injuries should not met those who dared to ask and criticize.

    • I did not expect answers to those questions. For the record, I'm agnostic myself, in case you missed that…

      • I would really like to know how many Christians you have seen in the last 50 years who go into open markets and mosques during prayers or functions and blow themselves up in the name of god.

        • How about the many Christians who are quite happy to drop bombs from planes to incinerate innocent people? Just because they don't have to look at the corpses up close doesn't mean they have not committed mass murder. How about the children blown up by cluster bombs dropped by the Americans and British in Iraq?

          It is entirely hypocritical to pretend that only believers of Islam commit violence. Many people of many religions or none at all have done evil things.

          • None of the Coalition forces did it in the name of religion. While the terrorists did it in the name of Allah and has the backing of Imams and Mullahs. To muddle those two, is hypocrisy at its best.

          • So what your saying is – if someone kills and yells "for God!", they are bad, but if someone kills and keeps their eyes and mouth closed, they are good? Yeah…

          • You are hilarious! Do you really believe all all the nonsense you say?

          • Thank you. It's taken me ages to fine tune my routine, and I'm glad someone can appreciate its comical absurdist merits.

            And no – I don't necessarily believe in everything that I debate or mock. Is such narcissism a requirement?

          • Wow, your logic is way beyond comprehension. You are just all over the board, jumping from one point to another. How you end up with such hillarious conclusion is just beyond thinking. But to simplify it for you, I am not here to defend people who kills (There's the law and judges for that), but I do have issues against people who kills in the name of religion with the approval and backing of Imams, Mullahs, and church leaders. If Christians kills in the name of religion and with the backing of the church, priests and Pope, you can bet I will have issues against those too. Before you say history…. I did have issues with those also and people had just been as harsh and vocal with Christianity's past as anybody should. Right now, we are commenting on the problem facing the world today.

            I do not know about you, but the reason I am asking questions is to bring the issue at the front why is it that Islam has been successfully hijacked by fundamentalists with the vocal backing of quite a few Imams and Mullahs. It was not my intent to call all Islam believers fundamentalists and terrorists but to wonder why is this religion somehow vulnerable to suicide bombing recruitment and terrorism. To deny this as a problem is political correctness gone blind. And do not say it as just work of few nutters, as this problem has been spreading from one country to another. In recent times it started in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, spreading big time in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Sudan, and other African nations, even Indonesia and Malaysia are facing problems now. In Pakistan, many Madrasas are responsible in teaching young ones how to hate and how to become jihadists. Even Islam minority sects are victims of bombings, purgings, burning, and deadly Fatwas – as they are not considered Islam enough. Am I suppose to just keep my mouth shut so as not to offend people like you? When some people of Islamic faith are even complaining and warning people about political correctness gone way beyond reason? You should visit the links I have given above before you put your own thought and words on other people's mouth.

          • "put your own thought and words on other people's mouth."

            Yes – it is quite annoying when people do that.

  66. Ummmmmm – why not – I'll bite – how am I ignorant or deaf?
    The yelling comment was me mocking the dramatic use of capital letters,
    WHICH IN TYPE, IS AKIN TO SOMEONE YELLING!!!

  67. I have never claimed moral superiority, you just want to read beyond what is written and impose your own brand of superiority towards those who bother to ask questions and criticize.

  68. Wow. A truly disgusting display. As a Canadian and a muslim i am offended beyond words. Its sad to say but this radical minority wishing to enflame hatred is achieving their goals. I too would like to see the end of these people as they truly are enemies of humanity. If they can claim to speak universally for muslims so can I. I thank all those who served in the causes of justice and freedom especially the brave Canadian men and women trying to drag Afghanistan out of the dark ages.

  69. Wow. A truly disgusting display. As a Canadian and a muslim i am offended beyond words. Its sad to say but this radical minority wishing to enflame hatred is achieving their goals. I too would like to see the end of these people as they truly are enemies of humanity. If they can claim to speak universally for muslims so can I. I thank all those who served in the causes of justice and freedom especially the brave Canadian men and women trying to drag Afghanistan out of the dark ages.

  70. I did not expect answers to those questions. For the record, I'm agnostic myself, in case you missed that…

  71. But you have – you've given praise to the "evolution" of Christianity. But you haven't really sold me on this. Who are you to determine whether the changes are for good or bad? Who is to say that it is a direct result of these changes that we experience the wide range of social problems that we encounter here in North America? How much of our problems are the result of the people who have made their religion too comfortable, which enables them to do whatever they want, without consequences? Is it not problematic that we now live in a time where the only god people worship is themselves?

  72. When, precisely, did the British lose their testicles? I'd love to see some of those rug pilots try that here….bring a helmet momar….

  73. When, precisely, did the British lose their testicles? I'd love to see some of those rug pilots try that here….bring a helmet momar….

    • If only good ol Winston the British bulldog was back in town…..

    • If it happened in Canada, they would have been busy suing the police with the Human Rights Commission after staging such a violent riot. Just be happy it did not happen here….yet. Or else it would be our Canadian testicles and bullocks on the line.

      • The HRC has been actively working against the free speech in Canada for a good while now. And the mullahs know what good pets the HRC folks make. We are seeing a slightly different version of the "protests" here. More cerebral less primeval. That is probably what is blinding our pollys…very effectively too!! :-(

  74. In a way you are saying that Islam might be right in issuing religious fatwas of death for those who dare question their religion? What are you trying to sell here? Are you saying that we should be harsh in judging Christianity's religious rigidness and past in all its fault but the same should not be done on Islam or any religion that might spouse violence, as the fear of violence might actually curtail social problems? Or are you trying to tell us that Christianity should have clung on their past rigidness and should do what many Islam fundamentalist are doing, by killing those whom dare question their belief to keep their faithful morally on line? By whose standard? Do you even know your mind? You seem very confused and lost. Yes, there are people who worship nothing but themselves (not all) but I would prefer living with them anytime than living with religious zealots who consider killing as part of their divine duty to a mystical God. If you feel you can't live with western values you abhor, there are actually other countries you can move to.

  75. If only good ol Winston the British bulldog was back in town…..

  76. You should read the links I posted above before you judge people like me who ask questions on Islam.

  77. If it happened in Canada, they would have been busy suing the police with the Human Rights Commission after staging such a violent riot. Just be happy it did not happen here….yet. Or else it would be our Canadian testicles and bullocks on the line.

  78. Correction: Were those guys who wrote and compiled the bible under the influence of…

  79. I think it says a lot that there were only 35 or so Muslim protesters and 50 EDL counter-protesters. The presence of the counter-protesters would imply that the event itself had some prior publicity aimed at getting as many out to the protest as possible – and yet only 35 showed up.

    Given the small number, in a city with a fair-sized Muslim community, I agree that it seems a bit of a smear to simply call them Muslim as if all Muslims are in support.

  80. Why are these people in Britain?

  81. Why are these people in Britain?

    • infrastructural substitutes. no one imagined that this would be the result of inviting them to a better life.

  82. None are British Citizens. The legal criteria for citizenship does not suit the criteria for the definition of citizenship.

  83. Actually, errrr, they kinda were…

  84. I just don't understand. I know so many good muslims who shudder when they hear of these stories, so why are there so many muslims who take it on themselves to give a new reputation to the innocent, peaceful muslims that just want to follow there religion?

  85. I just don't understand. I know so many good muslims who shudder when they hear of these stories, so why are there so many muslims who take it on themselves to give a new reputation to the innocent, peaceful muslims that just want to follow there religion?

    • the ones who shudder shudder because they worry about the radicals being stopped before they achieve their goal. they are the obfuscating agents of the truth. if the radicals succeed then they will be able to follow their "religion" in absolute peace.

    • I don't think it can be rationalized. People are often the sum of their experiences, and unfortunately, some people are so warped and evil as a result. It is most unfortunate that the majority of muslims must face the wrath and consequences for the actions of a much smaller group of nutters. In some ways, you can compare it to the stereotypes involved in anti-semitism or KKK like racism.

  86. This is just as mindless as that off the wall pastor in Florida that wanted to burn the Koran. No one society has a monopoly on stupidity. There seems to be enough everywhere.

  87. This is just as mindless as that off the wall pastor in Florida that wanted to burn the Koran. No one society has a monopoly on stupidity. There seems to be enough everywhere.

    • Totally!

  88. And what do you call U-Boats in the St. Lawrence River if not 'invading Canada'?

  89. Christianity spread across Europe because of Constantine – but he did not go around and kill the pagans until they converted. Neither did Charlemagne. You`re right that the blood spilled for christinaity has been immense, but on that scale the blood spilled for islam is a lot more than immense.

    it`s not a `we`re better than them attittude` it`s a `christianity is better than islam` attitude. and frankly if you look at the societies that they both produced, you have to be pretty wilfully blind to not agree.

  90. why don't we fight back any more, long time comming.

  91. why don't we fight back any more, long time comming.

    • Why we don't fight back anymore ?…'' Because that wouldn't be politicaly correct silly !,'' I call that being a spineless gutless wonder, and I will probably get massive amounts of thumbs down for this comment, but that is my opinion and I'm sticking to it…….

      • Why don't you armchair warriors jump out of your chairs right now and go join the army!

        • HollyStick..It is not about being an Armchair warrior, It's about standing up to a bunch of Punks who were being desrespectful at a very serious and emotional ceremony. I could care less what religion they were, or the colour of there skin…I come from a large Family of WWII Veterns,and Korean War Vets, and I have a Nephew serving in Afghanistan at this moment, my mother was a War Bride from England. These Instigators have a right to their opinion, but the chose the wrong time and place to do it. If this would have happened at the Ceremony that I attended, I can assure that the Veterans would have been on them in a second, Wheelchairs, canes and purses.

          • very well said, indeed! :-)

        • Why don't you put on a Burka and shut your mouth?

          • She probably already has a Burka on.

        • Be very careful what you wish for, Holly Stick.

  92. I totally agree – don't waste our taxes by putting them in jail, send them back – let them do this in their 'home' country. We don't need that kind in our country.

  93. shoot them bastards and get it over with, you wankers!! dogs have been put down for less!!!

  94. shoot them bastards and get it over with, you wankers!! dogs have been put down for less!!!

  95. I think the point I was making is that this is what happens in war. Its not like the German soldiers were out there killing people because they were all evil – they were out there killing because that is what a soldier does. Canada was not only sending soldiers, but was also sending all sorts of supplies/munitions to help the Allied cause. I'm not actually condoning the attacks – but I think the distinction needs to be made that they were not simply attacking random ships because they are evil and they just love killing.

  96. The intent was not to "invade Canada", but to disrupt/destroy Allied supply lines.

  97. I think the one thing that is very clear here (via the thumb rankings) is that hate breeds hate.
    Some of these responses are just as abhorred as the actions taken by these fools.

  98. We all wish that could happen, eh!! but it won't!! they want to take over our countries. they will not be satisfied till there is only them. and our pollys will not raise a finger to put an end to it. we need pollys who have REAL backbones and the cojones to FACE the problem.

  99. I don't particularly care what their intent was, if the result was invading one of our most important rivers! I find that shocking, that a war happening "over there" results in the enemy, not just in our backyard, but in the middle of our house!

  100. "In a way you are saying that Islam might be right in issuing religious fatwas of death for those who dare question their religion? "

    And once again, you make a bizarre erroneous deduction. I'm not saying that at all, but I guess that is how you prefer to read into this? Where am I actually telling you that Islam is better (or something like that)?

    "If you feel you can't live with western values you abhor, there are actually other countries you can move to."

    Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy…

  101. And you should not take things so personally, and then create your own personal narrative to justify your hatred.

  102. It is morons like you that are a danger to our society. Think before you write hogwash like this! Nobody said anything about their fkkn cult!! We are celebrating the bravery of people who died so wankers like you could call us hypocrites!! Take them back to their country with you and let them hate you as much as you want them to. I am quite ok with that. If you want them to be able to spew hate, you should accommodate our retaliation too, otherwise you are a bigger bit of hypocrite than citizen_CA and me!!

  103. they are not interested in our view of their cult. did you read that line,"Islam will dominate"?? that is what they are working towards. they are not interested in making any other point!!

  104. I would really like to know how many Christians you have seen in the last 50 years who go into open markets and mosques during prayers or functions and blow themselves up in the name of god.

  105. Holy over-simplification of hundreds of years of history batman!

    I really don't think you have the background or expertise to weigh/judge the amount of blood that has been spilled. You can believe whatever you wish – you simply don't have the means to really prove it. But isn't that what faith is all about?

    In any case – I'm not trying to prove that Islam is better than Christianity – I'm saying that it is stupid and naive to generalize on either side.

  106. They are working themselves up towards the actual frenzy.

  107. The HRC has been actively working against the free speech in Canada for a good while now. And the mullahs know what good pets the HRC folks make. We are seeing a slightly different version of the "protests" here. More cerebral less primeval. That is probably what is blinding our pollys…very effectively too!! :-(

  108. Well – it certainly is not a pleasant feeling.
    While the battles were taking place across the ocean, the war dominated pretty much everything "over here" during that time period. The reality is – if you involve yourself in a war, should you not be willing to face the horrible risks that come with that? It's a bizarre double standard to be willing to contribute, but not be willing to face the direct consequences of such actions. We're very fortunate here in North America not to have experienced the full force of war on our native soil.

  109. infrastructural substitutes. no one imagined that this would be the result of inviting them to a better life.

  110. Totally!

  111. the ones who shudder shudder because they worry about the radicals being stopped before they achieve their goal. they are the obfuscating agents of the truth. if the radicals succeed then they will be able to follow their "religion" in absolute peace.

  112. I don't think it can be rationalized. People are often the sum of their experiences, and unfortunately, some people are so warped and evil as a result. It is most unfortunate that the majority of muslims must face the wrath and consequences for the actions of a much smaller group of nutters. In some ways, you can compare it to the stereotypes involved in anti-semitism or KKK like racism.

  113. Why we don't fight back anymore ?…'' Because that wouldn't be politicaly correct silly !,'' I call that being a spineless gutless wonder, and I will probably get massive amounts of thumbs down for this comment, but that is my opinion and I'm sticking to it…….

  114. Exactly. Obviously I don't actually advocate for such a thing, but I do think it must be easier for a citizenry to get behind what their soldiers are doing if the conflict impacts on their daily lives, as experienced in WWI and WWII. And as you say, even then we didn't experience the full, unvarnished horror.

  115. What on earth do you mean " Does Islam wish to intergrate or not."? How silly to assume that this group speaks for a billion people who follow Islam. They are individuals.

    These people are in a relatively free country and one of the freedoms they have is the freedom to dissent. They do not have to conform with your opinions. That's part of the freedom that soldiers have died for.

  116. Eddie, you are the one who is spewing hate. One of the things our soldiers have died for is freedom of expression.

  117. How about the many Christians who are quite happy to drop bombs from planes to incinerate innocent people? Just because they don't have to look at the corpses up close doesn't mean they have not committed mass murder. How about the children blown up by cluster bombs dropped by the Americans and British in Iraq?

    It is entirely hypocritical to pretend that only believers of Islam commit violence. Many people of many religions or none at all have done evil things.

  118. Amen to that. Let us stop demonizing people.

  119. Do you know how many Irqis have been killed by Goerge Bush's war, which was based on lies? At least 100,000, probably many more. And millions more made homeless refugees. Do you not think some people might have reason to hate what the Americans and British have done there?

  120. Why don't you armchair warriors jump out of your chairs right now and go join the army!

  121. Yes, I agree, my post was not a complete description of the history of early christianity! It was not meant to be, in fact you would need many books in order not to oversimplify.

    I agree that generalizing is stupid in the sense, that any individual muslim ought to be judged on his own merits. But its also stupid to pretend that the religions themselves and their associated cultures are equal, unless you're just trying to show how politically correct you are. Would you want to live in a predominantly muslim country? If not, ask yourself why.

  122. None of the Coalition forces did it in the name of religion. While the terrorists did it in the name of Allah and has the backing of Imams and Mullahs. To muddle those two, is hypocrisy at its best.

  123. Hatred? Your deduction is even way off the wall. Is asking questions now considered hatred? And killing people in the name of religion morally defensible? Are you sure, whatever your disappointments to your previous religion did not hinged your reasoning a little bit?

  124. That's a reason for UK to straight up its immigration system.
    Their policy of wide open door resulted in food of islamic slum that refused
    to integrate with society and does not have any respect for universal values but gladly receives welfare.
    We may have similar situation here in Canada if noting is done to stop uncontrolled immigration.

  125. That's a reason for UK to straight up its immigration system.
    Their policy of wide open door resulted in food of islamic slum that refused
    to integrate with society and does not have any respect for universal values but gladly receives welfare.
    We may have similar situation here in Canada if noting is done to stop uncontrolled immigration.

    • We already have it here too! just that in a country the size of Canada, the crap is spread out over a much wider area and so not easily visible to the naked eye. If a PROPER study is made of the GOVT records (fat chance), the PROBLEM will manifest itself like the cancer it is. UK can actually see the problem but has spineless pollys making useless decisions. They are more interested in staying in "power" and living off the people with their mullah friends.
      First step to fixing them goons…BREAK OUT OF THE OIL TRAP!! (again…fat chance) :-(

  126. So what your saying is – if someone kills and yells "for God!", they are bad, but if someone kills and keeps their eyes and mouth closed, they are good? Yeah…

  127. "Hatred" may have been a poor choice of words. "Suspicions" would have been much more adequate.

  128. You are hilarious! Do you really believe all all the nonsense you say?

  129. Are you forgetting that terrorists are blowing up and killing Iraqis too? The number of deaths caused by them is far greater than from the US.

  130. HollyStick..It is not about being an Armchair warrior, It's about standing up to a bunch of Punks who were being desrespectful at a very serious and emotional ceremony. I could care less what religion they were, or the colour of there skin…I come from a large Family of WWII Veterns,and Korean War Vets, and I have a Nephew serving in Afghanistan at this moment, my mother was a War Bride from England. These Instigators have a right to their opinion, but the chose the wrong time and place to do it. If this would have happened at the Ceremony that I attended, I can assure that the Veterans would have been on them in a second, Wheelchairs, canes and purses.

  131. This accusation of being "politically correct" has been dropped several times. What the devil does that have do do with my views on the failures/hypocrisies of Christianity?

    Once again – I'm not advocating that the Muslim country life is the bomb. By all means – some aspects of their culture and lifestyle warrant criticism. But – I do think one of the big problems in this conflict is this Western world smug sense of superiority, and this in turn helps breed this hatred. For some people, it can easily be equated to the colonization of North America, where the common belief was that the natives were all simple savages. Just think about why so many people outside of North America hate Americans? I'm not even talking about the Arab world here – think Europe (and why Americans wear a Canadian emblem while traveling). Is it really because they hate freedom?

  132. Thank you. It's taken me ages to fine tune my routine, and I'm glad someone can appreciate its comical absurdist merits.

    And no – I don't necessarily believe in everything that I debate or mock. Is such narcissism a requirement?

  133. Wow, your logic is way beyond comprehension. You are just all over the board, jumping from one point to another. How you end up with such hillarious conclusion is just beyond thinking. But to simplify it for you, I am not here to defend people who kills (There's the law and judges for that), but I do have issues against people who kills in the name of religion with the approval and backing of Imams, Mullahs, and church leaders. If Christians kills in the name of religion and with the backing of the church, priests and Pope, you can bet I will have issues against those too. Before you say history…. I did have issues with those also and people had just been as harsh and vocal with Christianity's past as anybody should. Right now, we are commenting on the problem facing the world today.

    I do not know about you, but the reason I am asking questions is to bring the issue at the front why is it that Islam has been successfully hijacked by fundamentalists with the vocal backing of quite a few Imams and Mullahs. It was not my intent to call all Islam believers fundamentalists and terrorists but to wonder why is this religion somehow vulnerable to suicide bombing recruitment and terrorism. To deny this as a problem is political correctness gone blind. And do not say it as just work of few nutters, as this problem has been spreading from one country to another. In recent times it started in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, spreading big time in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Sudan, and other African nations, even Indonesia and Malaysia are facing problems now. In Pakistan, many Madrasas are responsible in teaching young ones how to hate and how to become jihadists. Even Islam minority sects are victims of bombings, purgings, burning, and deadly Fatwas – as they are not considered Islam enough. Am I suppose to just keep my mouth shut so as not to offend people like you? When some people of Islamic faith are even complaining and warning people about political correctness gone way beyond reason? You should visit the links I have given above before you put your own thought and words on other people's mouth.

  134. Suspicion? Yeah, 911 was just suspicion or probably even that is a poor choice of words. The bombing of Islamic Minority sects in Pakistan, Africa, Middle Easts, and Asia are just what, population control? Why not use dream or nightmare or a pigment of one's active imagination. As for Toronto 18, that was just suspicion or dream too. Not until dead litters the street, it does not really matter? After all they have the charter of rights and freedom for associating with whomever they please? If God forbid dead litters the street, it really is our fault for enticing them to kill us? Who knows the fear of mass dying my curtail our proclivity for social and moral degeneration? I got you, it is all our damned fault.

  135. I wrote: "And you should not take things so personally, and then create your own personal narrative to justify your hatred. "

    You wrote: "Hatred? Your deduction is even way off the wall. Is asking questions now considered hatred?"

    I wrote: ""Hatred" may have been a poor choice of words. "Suspicions" would have been much more adequate. "

    You then ranted and mongered, then concluded: "I got you, it is all our damned fault. "

    Yes. That is exactly what I was advocating – "This is all our damned fault". As you have figured it out, there really is no need to drag this out any further.

  136. Well, in terms of smug european douchebags who have a hate on for americans, frankly I think the correct response is to tell these european morons to go shove it and to remind them that they owe North America a huge debt of gratitude for saving their @ss in WW1, WW2, and the cold war. These faux-sophisticates who are currently spending their way to bankruptcy and rioting in the streets if a government dares raise the retirement age to 62 have no lessons to give to ANYONE, specially not the americans.

  137. Why don't you put on a Burka and shut your mouth?

  138. Do you know how many Iraqis were stuffed into woodchippers under Saddam Hussein? Or gassed, or raped, or brutally tortured? No you don't, because the old liberal media didn't really care, or they cut deals with Saddam so they could get 'exclusives' from Baghdad like CNN did. Saddam attacked 3 countries, tortured indiscriminately and killed millions, liberals may prefer that he kept going, but millions of people are better off now and you know it.

  139. Funny you say that, as these nutters as you say attacks everyone, not only America. They even attack Islam Minority sects as they are not Islam enough. "Kill, kill the infidels" is not meant for Americans only but anyone whomever is slightly different than them. If you think Canadians are not targeted (no matter how me might like and smug to think that), then you are wearing big blinders – we are just like anybody from their own faith (whom they do not agree with) – targetted.

  140. correction: ( no matter how we might like…)

  141. Oh SamDavies, you are so brilliant!

  142. Ummmmm…. I don't have anything more to discuss.
    I'll just get my coat.

  143. Indeed. If only we could find some good people that could find some sort of "solution" to this problem, then we "finally" would enjoy peace, right?

  144. If you say so. Personally, I think I just enjoy rambling…

  145. "put your own thought and words on other people's mouth."

    Yes – it is quite annoying when people do that.

  146. There you go!

  147. This is ignorant and disgusting. As distasteful as it is, they are exercising their free speech, are is everyone demanding exportations, calling them terrorists and labeling a whole religion as violent.

    Tolerance of free speech is an ugly thing, as are the wars that defend it.

  148. This is ignorant and disgusting. As distasteful as it is, they are exercising their free speech, are is everyone demanding exportations, calling them terrorists and labeling a whole religion as violent.

    Tolerance of free speech is an ugly thing, as are the wars that defend it.

    • Ottawa_Centrist….Agree…You explained so much, with so few words….Salud !

    • What? No torches and pitchforks for you two?
      Folks round here wanna have dem selves a good ol' fashioned lynchin'.
      I'm a gonna go get me my lucky axe…

      • SamDavies.. Is there a remote chance that you could explain your post please ? I have read it numerous times and still can not figure how your attempt at a Pre- American Civil War ? dialect is relevant to our posts on being tolerant of free speech…..

        • It's nothing pertaining to either of you – more of a parody on some of the reactions in this thread.
          You two essentially were the minority not craving blood…

          • Understood…Thankyou.

      • I still have my pitchfork trained on the unholy, Godless, illegal, rebel coalition that will destroy Canada, God, all we hold dear, and the Death Star.

        Yer gonna need that axe.

    • I am sure you'd be just as understanding if a group of Neo-Nazi's were wandering in downtown Ottawa shouting their nonsense, right? Commies always seem to find their belief in free speech when they are behind those who are speaking. Were you as up in arms when Ann Coulter was not allowed to speak in Ottawa?

      • Coulter "not allowed" to speak? She cut & run over "security concerns." Seems she felt threatened by the idea of protest; free speech only works for her when she's the one doing the speaking. Or pulling out may have just been a way to get more press for herself and the rest of her tour. (BTW – is she one of the neo-Nazis you had in mind "wandering in downtown Ottawa shouting their nonsense"?) Not being brave enough to face your opposition does not amount to censorship – just cowardice.

        Coulter is an idiot; these 35 muslims are idiots. I'd personally rather listen to Coulter – she's an incredibly amusing self-parody – but we're talking apples and oranges here. I abhore the action these hoodlums took. They have the right to their opinions, and the right to express them – but there is a time and place for everything, and their actions showed an abominable disrespect that should not be tolerated.

      • Neo-Nazis are a test of freedom of speech. I wouldn't silence them, if that is what you are asking, so I fail some test of patriotism I am sure.

        Might want to talk to Ann's manager about not speaking. No one banned her from speaking anymore than people were banned from protesting her message.

        Is free speech now a principle held only by communists? My word, how far we have fallen as a civilization!

    • It's people like you who are the reason that they are allowed to do it. The English Defence League have rallied 500 people, and next year they are going to be there and if these bastards do it again, they have promised to kill them all.

  149. Ottawa_Centrist….Agree…You explained so much, with so few words….Salud !

  150. But why do they go to live in countries that they believe are run by heathens and show utter contempt for those who already live there? The glaring contradiction / irony is asinine. If their home land is such a wonderful place….why go elsewhere? The fact is there home land is a terrible place to be and it's their beliefs that have made it so.

  151. What? No torches and pitchforks for you two?
    Folks round here wanna have dem selves a good ol' fashioned lynchin'.
    I'm a gonna go get me my lucky axe…

  152. "the Muslim country life is the bomb"… I'm trying to determine whether to laugh or to sigh at the double entendre…

  153. SamDavies.. Is there a remote chance that you could explain your post please ? I have read it numerous times and still can not figure how your attempt at a Pre- American Civil War ? dialect is relevant to our posts on being tolerant of free speech…..

  154. It's nothing pertaining to either of you – more of a parody on some of the reactions in this thread.
    You two essentially were the minority not craving blood…

  155. Understood…Thankyou.

  156. Islam is the religion of peace. It is the religion of TRUTH. The poppy is a symbol of Zionist and Xristian aggression. WW2 was devastating for Islamic nations and destroyed Palestine via the false import of white trash European Zionist into the Middle east . These problems still persist. Glorious Iran will annihilate the Zionist state and the rest of the world will fall to Islam, Insha'allah.

  157. I'ts treason though.

  158. I'ts treason though.

    • trea·son (trzn)
      n.
      1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
      2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

      I was thinking your usage was a bit extreme, as we tend to reserve its use for only the most egregious of betrayals – but by a strict dictionary definition you would appear to be justified in using the term…

      • If convicted of Treason in England, you can still be '' Drawn and Quartered '' can't you ?…Just wondering…….

  159. So you are saying I should not express myself, eh! Only they can!?? Is that it?

  160. Be very careful what you wish for, Holly Stick.

  161. very well said, indeed! :-)

  162. We already have it here too! just that in a country the size of Canada, the crap is spread out over a much wider area and so not easily visible to the naked eye. If a PROPER study is made of the GOVT records (fat chance), the PROBLEM will manifest itself like the cancer it is. UK can actually see the problem but has spineless pollys making useless decisions. They are more interested in staying in "power" and living off the people with their mullah friends.
    First step to fixing them goons…BREAK OUT OF THE OIL TRAP!! (again…fat chance) :-(

  163. If you have been to London lately you would not believe your eyes. It is virtually a muslim country already. They are all over England, all over Holland and all over France. Soon they will be all over Canada as well and doing the same thing in Canada, unless we get wise and stop letting these bastards that don't integrate in.

  164. try having freedom of expression in a muslim country you idiot.

  165. So you'll be taking the next flight back to the Middle East? Surely living here amongst all us Zionist and white trash must leave you daily in an apoplectic state.

    Britain did not choose the war; the Germans did. Canadians fought alongside the British because we were part of the empire – and because it was the right thing to do. It was a "World War"; millions were displaced and killed in many corners of the globe. If not for the Allied troops, the Middle East would have been under Nazi rule for a long time. Given your expressed views here, I'm sure you are grateful to them for the Holocaust, but do you really think your people's turn wouldn't have eventually come? They weren't exactly fond of those who were different from them.

    I welcome all immigrants who come here to be Canadian, but if you really hate us that much, and disrespect our soldiers and our heritage to such a degree, then it's time for you to consider leaving.

  166. Feel free to express yourself. Just bear in mind that when you spew hatred at all Muslims for the actions of a few idiots, then you put yourself in the same category as they are in – irrationally hating al those in a group different from your own.

    As I've indicated here in other posts, I abhore what these idiots have done; I just don't think it is reflective of the views of British or Canadian Muslims generally – esp. in light of how few attended the rally.

  167. So you say that you want to mimic their society? Do away with free speech and the right to associate? Doesn't sound terribly Canadian to me…

  168. So much for peace & truth…

  169. So you advocate acting on suspicion without proof? That's what Bush did over WMDs. That led to the entire Iraq war; many dead on both sides. The Iraq war was unjustified, and has, in the minds of many Muslims, justified the terrorists' actions and their own hatred of the West.

    We can certainly take action where we have evidence (see the Toronto 18). And perhaps we can be more cautious and restrictive with our immigration policies when people are coming from regions known to harbour terrorists. But we need to be aware that, just as their actions tend to solidify the monolithic veiw Westerners are increasingly taking toward Muslims – that they are all rabid, hate-filled killers of non-Muslims – so to do actions targetting them as a group serve to justify in their own minds the view that we are all infidels and devils worthy only of being killed.

    Down that path lies only death and destruction.

  170. Huh? That's news to me. Can you back up this claim?

  171. I agree – it's sad that they so abuse the very freedoms the soldiers fought and died to protect. It's completely disrespectful, and while they have the right to protest in this fashion, so too do we have the right to express our disgust toward their actions. But let's remember too that it is only 35 out of thousands of Muslims who live in London…

  172. trea·son (trzn)
    n.
    1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
    2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

    I was thinking your usage was a bit extreme, as we tend to reserve its use for only the most egregious of betrayals – but by a strict dictionary definition you would appear to be justified in using the term…

  173. I am sure you'd be just as understanding if a group of Neo-Nazi's were wandering in downtown Ottawa shouting their nonsense, right? Commies always seem to find their belief in free speech when they are behind those who are speaking. Were you as up in arms when Ann Coulter was not allowed to speak in Ottawa?

  174. Agree,, But the scary part is, that because of these 35 or so Instigators, anybody that even looks Muslim will be under public scrutiny.

  175. If convicted of Treason in England, you can still be '' Drawn and Quartered '' can't you ?…Just wondering…….

  176. This is totally disrespectful for all the veterans and soldiers who have given their lives to protect their country! Although I do see this wrong, I don't think this group of protesters should be called 'Muslim'. Islam is Arabic for Peace with God! Even the Last Prophet himself believe in spreading the Word by means of Peace and not of war! I believe groups who try to enforce Islam on people and do such violent actions are not true Muslims but instead abuse the name of God and Islam to fight for something that they 'say' that God told them to do. God is peaceful God, why would He ask for war? It's violence like this done in the name of God that put the rest of the Islam faith to shame.

  177. This is totally disrespectful for all the veterans and soldiers who have given their lives to protect their country! Although I do see this wrong, I don't think this group of protesters should be called 'Muslim'. Islam is Arabic for Peace with God! Even the Last Prophet himself believe in spreading the Word by means of Peace and not of war! I believe groups who try to enforce Islam on people and do such violent actions are not true Muslims but instead abuse the name of God and Islam to fight for something that they 'say' that God told them to do. God is peaceful God, why would He ask for war? It's violence like this done in the name of God that put the rest of the Islam faith to shame.

  178. It is a wonderful site watching these glorious warriors of Islam show the world that we are NOT AFRAID TO TELL THE TRUTH!!!!
    WW2 was a war of imperial aggression. The people who died for it were Zionist tools who died for the creation of an Illegal Zionist state. Those poppies burn like the souls of the soldiers who fought for imperialism.
    Allah will punish all and restore Islam to it's former and correct world domination.

  179. It is a wonderful site watching these glorious warriors of Islam show the world that we are NOT AFRAID TO TELL THE TRUTH!!!!
    WW2 was a war of imperial aggression. The people who died for it were Zionist tools who died for the creation of an Illegal Zionist state. Those poppies burn like the souls of the soldiers who fought for imperialism.
    Allah will punish all and restore Islam to it's former and correct world domination.

    • My money is on you being the one that Allah will punish, you sad creature of hatred…

    • Afarin Maleki -Raei… I thought that name rang a bell…With the hate you are trying to spew on here it would make a person think you were the same person linked to the GoodWill Charitable Org. that was busted for funneling over $225,000.000 to known Terrorist Organizations…..

      • You are incorrect. The Nazis were friends of Iran and Arab states. They would have respected our agreements and boundaries. The Zionist have killed way more people than the Nazis and don't say "6 million were killed". Only European Trash and you plebeians in North America but that nonsense. The rest of te world realizes the "Holocaust" against the Jews never happened.
        However, the holocaust against the Palestinians is continuing.

        • Which "rest of the world" are you talking about!?

        • Afarin…You are not going to answer my Question are you ? Coward !

    • People say are men died for nothin in ww2 well in fact we went to HELP belgum as hitler was invading that country and then killing the Jews just like in Iraq are men are helping the people over there from the murders that helped with 9/11 and 7/7! So if these people don’t like us laying poppies ever year to member the heros of this country then you know were the nearest airport is and if you don’t I would be happy to tell you !!!!!!!

    • "Allah will punish all and restore Islam to it's former and correct world domination"?

      Why? Has Allah been, all this time, punishing you for your past sins? Is that why Islam has lost whatever dominance (you are referring to) before? What have you done to think that you are now well deserving of Allah's forgiveness for him to restore, your so called, world domination?

    • I think you've inhaled a few too many of those burning poppies, my opium-addled friend.

      If it hadn't been for Allied troops, the Middle East would have been in Nazi hands – and once they ran out of Jews for their ovens, all those non-Aryan Arabs would have made fine fuel…

      "…and restore Islam to it's former and correct world domination." You sure you're not just practicing your stand-up routine?

      • I don’t want anything from Allah as he is not and never will be some one I worship.

        What has Islam given to Allah and what has Iraq given to him people that kill others my religion it is forgive those you trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

        We forgive people of there sins but Allah seems to want people to do sinful things

      • We should have saved the Jews but let them get to these Arabs

    • If you truly believe that say it out aloud at a British National Party meeting, and you will get what you deserve.

    • Well said, Afarin Maleki-Raei!! I could not state my case more eloquently myself!! I can see I am in the presence of a TRUE HATER!! Allah be with you in this world, coz in the next you are all alone.

  180. My money is on you being the one that Allah will punish, you sad creature of hatred…

  181. "Demonstrators protest U.K. poppy burnings outside mosques" http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/11/14/1613

    "On Friday, a mosque in Portsmouth on the south shore of England, had a poppy painted on the front of the building. On Saturday, protests were held outside two mosques. "It deeply hurts me," Muhammed Muhi Uddin told the BBC. "If they [the protesters] talked to us then we would explain where we stand." While Uddin said every group has a right to be heard, "it's a matter of respecting each other." He denounced the burning of poppies during Armistice Day ceremonies Thursday."

    Predictable – misguided angry people targeting the wrong enemy…

  182. "Demonstrators protest U.K. poppy burnings outside mosques" http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/11/14/1613

    "On Friday, a mosque in Portsmouth on the south shore of England, had a poppy painted on the front of the building. On Saturday, protests were held outside two mosques. "It deeply hurts me," Muhammed Muhi Uddin told the BBC. "If they [the protesters] talked to us then we would explain where we stand." While Uddin said every group has a right to be heard, "it's a matter of respecting each other." He denounced the burning of poppies during Armistice Day ceremonies Thursday."

    Predictable – misguided angry people targeting the wrong enemy…

    • Sadly, it sounds all too much like the Muslims who went ape-$h1t over the Mohammed cartoons and attacked every western institution they could find…

    • We should nuke the middle east and start again. First, deport them all there.

  183. Well said. Frankly, I'm shocked by the bigotry and double standards in this thread. Amazing at how irrational people become when something makes them angry. Talk about an angry mob…

  184. I don't agree with with much of your opinions, nor your misguided nickname. With that said – I don't hate you. I do pity you though, you sad creature of hatred…

  185. Perhaps we need to start opening up some camps, and taking care of this problem of undesirables? If only some smart brave people such as yourself would come up with some sort of final solution to this problem. What a glorious and beautiful world we would have then…

  186. Actually, the main issue they are trying to raise awareness on is the death of children and civilians by British soldiers. But naaaaaaaaaah – right – That could never be true?

  187. Boy are you in for a surprise when you kick the bucket. Allah is gonna have a field day…

  188. Good points…

  189. I'll tell you one thing – this thread is almost making me want to cry!

  190. Sadly – hatred breeds hatred. Such a vicious circle….

  191. Afarin Maleki -Raei… I thought that name rang a bell…With the hate you are trying to spew on here it would make a person think you were the same person linked to the GoodWill Charitable Org. that was busted for funneling over $225,000.000 to known Terrorist Organizations…..

  192. Wow! Your Logic is just as absurd.

    Have you been taking hallucenogen lately? When did I ever say in my post to act based on mere suspicion? Is asking question nowadays a crime? If one ask questions does it automatically make one a Bush supporter? I abhor killings, thus I am asking questions on those who did with the support of their religious leaders. Not in my posts did I ever recommend any actions but questions. I thought Bush's war was an example of over reaching and stupidity (just as his presidency), but that's outside the topic of discussion. How you even get into that conclusion was way ridiculous just as Bush is. Do you just jump into a discussion without reading?

  193. Have you just read how sick your reasoning is? You actually just proven my point. How you combine the prase "Islam a religion of peace" with "Annihilate" is so funny that I am tearing up. You might like to try your hand at comedy, there is more future in it.

  194. People say are men died for nothin in ww2 well in fact we went to HELP belgum as hitler was invading that country and then killing the Jews just like in Iraq are men are helping the people over there from the murders that helped with 9/11 and 7/7! So if these people don’t like us laying poppies ever year to member the heros of this country then you know were the nearest airport is and if you don’t I would be happy to tell you !!!!!!!

  195. "Allah will punish all and restore Islam to it's former and correct world domination"?

    Why? Has Allah been, all this time, punishing you for your past sins? Is that why Islam has lost whatever dominance (you are referring to) before? What have you done to think that you are now well deserving of Allah's forgiveness for him to restore, your so called, world domination?

  196. So in your so limited mind "Allah" means God of Hatred, Lord of Killing and gruesome death, and Lord of Annihilation! I thought "Allah" means peace, am I wrong?

    If your assertion is true of your love of Palestinians, why do Palestinians have no rights and freedom in Islamic Middle Eastern Countries, compared to those Palistinians living inside Israel itself? They can not even own properties in any countries in Middle East where they happen to live. They are not even allowed to work in certain(restricted in many) jobs? Are you just using them as you disposable tool and puppets for your hatred?

  197. I actually read the whole exchange between you and Sam before "jumping in". Maybe it was just a "pigment" of my active imagination, but the rant about 911 et al sounded to me like a muddled and unfocussed call to arms. (Maybe the "taking hallucenogen" line is self-referential?)

    If my logic is so absurd, please feel free to make a point by point rebuttal.

  198. Coulter "not allowed" to speak? She cut & run over "security concerns." Seems she felt threatened by the idea of protest; free speech only works for her when she's the one doing the speaking. Or pulling out may have just been a way to get more press for herself and the rest of her tour. (BTW – is she one of the neo-Nazis you had in mind "wandering in downtown Ottawa shouting their nonsense"?) Not being brave enough to face your opposition does not amount to censorship – just cowardice.

    Coulter is an idiot; these 35 muslims are idiots. I'd personally rather listen to Coulter – she's an incredibly amusing self-parody – but we're talking apples and oranges here. I abhore the action these hoodlums took. They have the right to their opinions, and the right to express them – but there is a time and place for everything, and their actions showed an abominable disrespect that should not be tolerated.

  199. I think you've inhaled a few too many of those burning poppies, my opium-addled friend.

    If it hadn't been for Allied troops, the Middle East would have been in Nazi hands – and once they ran out of Jews for their ovens, all those non-Aryan Arabs would have made fine fuel…

    "…and restore Islam to it's former and correct world domination." You sure you're not just practicing your stand-up routine?

  200. Sadly, it sounds all too much like the Muslims who went ape-$h1t over the Mohammed cartoons and attacked every western institution they could find…

  201. i rest my case.

  202. You get your facts straight you ignorant goof. They protected innocent and defenceless people who lived in their own country and surrounding countries and were fellow citizens, who lived and laughed alongside them, until they decided they were superior and tried to annihilate them. Or, are you one of the truely stupid to believe that none of that ever happened?! Moron.

  203. Allah is the same G-d that I believe in and you ignorant hate-monger is the very creature that he abhors and wishes did not exist. One day He, and not any of the innocent, life loving people you want to murder in cold blood, will pay you all back Himself! You truly are hateful. How is it that animals like you can even function. It cannont be possible that you even possess a soul.

  204. I don't hate muslims, but I do agree with you on that point.

  205. Kenney, religion does not cause all of this terror, people do, and unfortunately, there are those that use it as an excuse to terrorize the whole lot of us. We need to make that distinction and stop these ******s. And–let him yell if he wants to. I sure feel like it reading some of these assinine comments!

  206. No matter how I read and re read the comments I made, I could not understand how you reached such absurd deduction. Is stating what happened on 911, somehow becomes a taboo? Is remembering it, now considered a call for arms? When did that happen?

  207. Well, one thing is for sure. Allah really isn't sending you off to 72 virgins. Do you really believe that crap that you've been indoctrinated with? Are you all so blind and stupid as to believe what some many hundred year old pedophile wished you to believe? You need to go back to the basis of what your religion teaches and figure out what is really good and what is truly evil. You, sir, are an ignorant evil.

  208. Hmm, religion does make the world, or is it my head, go round – hm? Could morality exist without religion? I believe it could, so why not debate the pro and cons of religion's continuing existence instead?

  209. Hmm, religion does make the world, or is it my head, go round – hm? Could morality exist without religion? I believe it could, so why not debate the pro and cons of religion's continuing existence instead?

    • Morality CAN exist without religion. But people need someone to take the blame for their flaws. For them there are no cons to religion, just pros and it is a win-win situation for them.

  210. It's too bad Allah doesn't exist…

  211. It's too bad Allah doesn't exist…

  212. I don’t want anything from Allah as he is not and never will be some one I worship.

    What has Islam given to Allah and what has Iraq given to him people that kill others my religion it is forgive those you trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

    We forgive people of there sins but Allah seems to want people to do sinful things

  213. If you believe in your truth so much, please go out on the streets of Canada and preach it, just like you did here, but don't cover your face.

    By the way, your Glorious Iran is running out of water, and the only thing Iran can annihilate is the will of the Iranian people. Also, Iran is like a withered prune compared to what Israel can offer the world.

  214. She probably already has a Burka on.

  215. "Does Islam wish to integrate or not?"

    Not.

  216. Neo-Nazis are a test of freedom of speech. I wouldn't silence them, if that is what you are asking, so I fail some test of patriotism I am sure.

    Might want to talk to Ann's manager about not speaking. No one banned her from speaking anymore than people were banned from protesting her message.

    Is free speech now a principle held only by communists? My word, how far we have fallen as a civilization!

  217. I still have my pitchfork trained on the unholy, Godless, illegal, rebel coalition that will destroy Canada, God, all we hold dear, and the Death Star.

    Yer gonna need that axe.

  218. As an atheist, I believe that all religions are dead wrong.

    Personally, I would add "especially this one."

  219. i think i love you

  220. I feel the same way…islam is a form of government and they are using it to force every nation in the world to adhere to their ways. If you type "Dhimmitude" into your search engine, you may find out how they are using islam for war against the rest of the world.

  221. I'm not christian and yes christianity has done the same…look at the american indian if you forgot how bad christians are.
    I dont believe anything but love should be a part of any religion. Of course I know that would mean a world with money greed power etc.

  222. you are ever so right. it is good that the soldiers died for the right to be insulted by those who disrespect them anyway. GO SOLDIERS.

  223. agreed. however, the side that wishes this circle ended is the side that will suffer if they stop standing up for themselves.

  224. Agree…..

  225. You are incorrect. The Nazis were friends of Iran and Arab states. They would have respected our agreements and boundaries. The Zionist have killed way more people than the Nazis and don't say "6 million were killed". Only European Trash and you plebeians in North America but that nonsense. The rest of te world realizes the "Holocaust" against the Jews never happened.
    However, the holocaust against the Palestinians is continuing.

  226. If I had known that this was happening, I would have brought my grandfather's WWII Enfield Revolver and God help me I would have shot their bloody brains out. They could do what they like to me, but I would know that they deserve what they got. I can only hope that next year someone lobs a petrol bomb at them. I will laugh and piss on their graves.

  227. If I had known that this was happening, I would have brought my grandfather's WWII Enfield Revolver and God help me I would have shot their bloody brains out. They could do what they like to me, but I would know that they deserve what they got. I can only hope that next year someone lobs a petrol bomb at them. I will laugh and piss on their graves.

  228. It's people like you who are the reason that they are allowed to do it. The English Defence League have rallied 500 people, and next year they are going to be there and if these bastards do it again, they have promised to kill them all.

  229. If you truly believe that say it out aloud at a British National Party meeting, and you will get what you deserve.

  230. We should have saved the Jews but let them get to these Arabs

  231. We should nuke the middle east and start again. First, deport them all there.

  232. Well said, Afarin Maleki-Raei!! I could not state my case more eloquently myself!! I can see I am in the presence of a TRUE HATER!! Allah be with you in this world, coz in the next you are all alone.

  233. Which "rest of the world" are you talking about!?

  234. Morality CAN exist without religion. But people need someone to take the blame for their flaws. For them there are no cons to religion, just pros and it is a win-win situation for them.

  235. Afarin…You are not going to answer my Question are you ? Coward !

  236. If this had been any other group of protestors the police would have arrested them straight away for inciting racial hatred etc. why does this government let these idiots get away with it and why are they still allowed to remain in this country that they hate so much but don't mind taking our benefits and jobs and schools for their many kids etc. they enjoy all the benefits our country has to offer. they should be sent back home where they came from and if they are born here then they should be sent to some remote island where they have nothing. and if they are so big, why hide their faces. because they are worhtless pieces of scum. its about time this idiot government woke up to the dangers of muslims and stop bending over backwards to please them. get some backbone.

  237. If this had been any other group of protestors the police would have arrested them straight away for inciting racial hatred etc. why does this government let these idiots get away with it and why are they still allowed to remain in this country that they hate so much but don't mind taking our benefits and jobs and schools for their many kids etc. they enjoy all the benefits our country has to offer. they should be sent back home where they came from and if they are born here then they should be sent to some remote island where they have nothing. and if they are so big, why hide their faces. because they are worhtless pieces of scum. its about time this idiot government woke up to the dangers of muslims and stop bending over backwards to please them. get some backbone.