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‘Neanderthal’ … Scientist James Hansen responds to Joe Oliver


As Washington correspondent Luiza Ch. Savage has reported, Natural Resources Joe Oliver had some choice words for James Hansen this week.

During his appearance in Washington, Oliver was asked about the recently retired NASA scientist, a key and noted opponent of the Keystone XL pipeline.

Here’s Oliver:

“There is no tar in the oil sands, that’s why we refer to it as oil sands. Secondly, with respect to James Hansen, recently with NASA, I mean, he was the one who said, I think four years ago, that if we go ahead with the development of the oil sands it’s “game over for the climate.” Well, this is exaggerated rhetoric. It’s frankly nonsense. I don’t know why he said it, but he should be ashamed of having said it. It’s one-one thousandth of global emissions. Coal fired electricity in the U.S. is well over 30 times that. I wonder why the focus on an area when there are 999 more important areas to focus on. Quite frankly, I think that kind of exaggerated rhetoric, that kind of hyperbole, doesn’t do the cause any good at all. People are sensible. Americans and Canadians are logical people. When they are presented with predictions four years ago that in four years we are doomed – and we’re not — it frankly undercuts an issue that is very important.”

On the House this weekend on CBC, Hansen is asked about Oliver’s comments.

“Well, the current government is a Neanderthal on this issue,” he tells host Evan Solomon. “Many of the governments are denying and trying to ignore what’s going to happen a few decades downstream. They’re only worried about the next two or three years.”

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‘Neanderthal’ … Scientist James Hansen responds to Joe Oliver

  1. Glo-Bull Warming is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated in human history.

    • I thought Harper’s promise of a transparent and accountable government was.

      • Nite_Owl I do hope you are one of the many federal bureaucrats who will be on the receiving end of a notice of termination of employment.

        • No such luck BB but if you mean the layoffs under Harper you must mean more frontline staff. Not all the new hiring going on in Harper’s office for more propaganda staff.

          • New PMO hiring?

            That’s the best lie you could come up with?

          • Yeah, sorry BB. The truth is all I’ve got. I’d tell you to check for yourself but I know your kind is confused by facts.

          • Can you handle the truth? No

            From canada.com;

            As Harper was flying overseas more often, the Prime Minister’s Office
            cut its spending on staff, communications and other costs by 15 per cent
            in the 2011-12 budget year to around $7.6 million, compared to about $9
            million the previous year, according to federal public accounts tabled
            Tuesday in the House of Commons

    • lol, not sure whether you are wrong because you are wrong or because even if you were right, you’d be wrong. Biggest fraud in human history? Wouldn’t even make the top ten, but not to worry since, of course, you are wrong before you even get where you have the arrogance to think you are going.

      Since you aren’t capable of thinking for yourself or doing research, that sort of thing, why not become my sycophant instead? I’ve got lots of conspiracy theories to tell you about…like the number four biggest fraud in human history: that polka-dot door guy who always missed out on seeing polka-roo..I have a theory on that which will scare Prime Minister Obama straight back to Kenya. Seriously…Send me $10.00 and help defeat the communists. Act Now! The fate of human society is in your hands (please wash them first)!!

      lol…Sorry not supposed to tease, I know….

        • Leftard? That must make a Reformer like you a Ret… That explains a lot. Thanks!

      • It is no secret that President Obama’s and green energy supporters’
        (from both parties) foray into venture capitalism has not gone well. But
        the extent of its failure has been largely ignored by the press. Sure,
        single instances garner attention as they happen, but they ignore past
        failures in order to make it seem like a rare case.

        The truth is that the problem is widespread. The government’s picking
        winners and losers in the energy market has cost taxpayers billions of
        dollars, and the rate of failure, cronyism, and corruption at the
        companies receiving the subsidies is substantial. The fact that some
        companies are not under financial duress does not make the policy a
        success. It simply means that our taxpayer dollars subsidized companies
        that would’ve found the financial support in the private market.

        So far, 34 companies that were offered federal support from taxpayers
        are faltering — either having gone bankrupt or laying off workers or
        heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that
        received federal money from the Obama Administration’s Department of
        Energy and other agencies. The amount of money indicated does not
        reflect how much was actually received or spent but how much was
        offered. The amount also does not include other state, local, and
        federal tax credits and subsidies, which push the amount of money these
        companies have received from taxpayers even higher.

        The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

        Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*

        SpectraWatt ($500,000)*

        Solyndra ($535 million)*

        Beacon Power ($43 million)*

        Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)

        SunPower ($1.2 billion)

        First Solar ($1.46 billion)

        Babcock and Brown ($178 million)

        EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*

        Amonix ($5.9 million)

        Fisker Automotive ($529 million)

        Abound Solar ($400 million)*

        A123 Systems ($279 million)*

        Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*

        Johnson Controls ($299 million)

        Brightsource ($1.6 billion)

        ECOtality ($126.2 million)

        Raser Technologies ($33 million)*

        Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*

        Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*

        Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*

        Range Fuels ($80 million)*

        Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*

        Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*

        Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*

        GreenVolts ($500,000)

        Vestas ($50 million)

        LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)

        Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*

        Navistar ($39 million)

        Satcon ($3 million)*

        Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*

        Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

        *Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

    • As the Artic ice and glaciers rapidly melt away.

    • hope your horse can swim

  2. Neanderthal is putting it nicely and lightly. And anyone who disputes this description of this Wall Street Thug is just a lower class Troglodyte.

    • “Nutters” is English (and Schmidt is English) slang
      equivalent to “nut” in the sense of crazy person. Well, Schmidt should
      know—his boss is the director of GISS, Dr. James E. Hansen. Hansen is
      widely considered to be the leading scientific promoter of global
      warming alarmism and as such is a highly political animal. He is also
      increasingly kooky and extreme.

      Hansen claimed a few years ago that the Bush Administration was
      censoring him. It turned out he had given over 1,300 interviews during
      the Bush years! Hansen predicted over twenty years ago that much of
      Manhattan would be under water by now as the result of sea level rise
      caused by global warming.

      Last year, Hansen, a federal employee, was arrested for protesting at
      a coal mine in West Virginia. He has endorsed industrial sabotage as
      justified by the climate crisis we are facing and said that oil company
      executives should be put on trial for “high crimes against humanity and

      So Schmidt has it right: the nutters are in control–of the global
      warming alarmist agenda. I’ll be waiting for The New York Times to
      publish that story.

      • No, nutter is English slang for someone who is not right in the head, nutters means that there is more than one of them.
        I love it when indoctrinated right wing useful idiots tray and look clever. Away back to your cave you knuckle dragger you

      • It was not a “coal mine”, but protesting mountain top removal. Destroys the land and communities for only about 5% of the nation’s output. That was what he was protesting.
        Read the book “Censoring Science: Inside the Political Attack on Dr. James Hansen and the Truth of Global Warming” for the Bush era campaign to silence him.

        • Actually mountain top removal creates flat space that people and their communities can put to good use in a part of the US that has hardly any flat surface.

    • :) you should read up on the Neanderthal…Human populations with the highest % of Neanderthal DNA are the wealthest,most advanced,freest ,on earth…The pattern suggest the Neanderthal was superior in many ways to humans…..Sub sahara peoples have no Neanderthal DNA,they are the poorest,most unfree people on eath,and have the most violence in their society’s….Please check these facts…

      • Obviously you again….have missed the point.

  3. BILLY BOB What should we be doing with our natural resources ? What type of work should every Canadian be doing according to you? What should Canada be doing to create wealth?
    Can you please present your solution to us uneducated trades people because other than your critic you have presented zero solution here enlighten us with you abundant universal knowledge !

    • Don’t go having a heart attack now, the only thing that needs changing is turfing politicians who waste taxpayer money subsidizing solar and wind power.

    • Canada did just find in the past without the tar sands and we could continue to do so if the big oil demagogues and puppets would get out of the way.

      • Where does the money come from for your welfare cheque every month?

  4. Do you really want to believe a guy below named “Billy Bob” about global warming; when the best he can do is come up with the oh so clever “bull” instead of “bal” in global?

    Seriously? That’s the intellectual challenge. I’d have better chance engaging in dialogue with a chicken.

    • Engage in dialogue when the science has been settled since before the ten+ year temperature plateau? Sounds overly sympathetic to the deniers – I’m not sure about your faith in official science.

  5. Hansenis a complete ignoramus when it comes to how the climate really works. He knows little of equilibrium affects and less about thermodynamics that control the effects that cause the weather that we experience. People like him should understand the chemistry of how water ,air and soil interact with energy.

  6. We had a global recession that braked emissions for a year and we had stimulus that in every other country was green enough to buy some more time. The GOP and AB/SK are not logical people. They are Biblical people trying to solve 21st century problem with 500BC-300AD mindsets and ideas.
    Oil and gas and maybe coal and tar can be cracked/processed to petrochemical products instead of transportation and heating fuels. Thermoplastics are a recyclable potential product. They can be melted below the temperature at which their chemical bonds would irreversably disassociate in theory. In practise the plastics wear out a bit without additives. Probably the crystalinity of the plastic correlates with its wear, so making crystaline products like HDPE gets closer to a theoretic renewable resource (just heat to 150C or whatever temp). All that is needed is to build petrochemical refineries, R+D some efficient recycling plastic types and procedures, and pick good growing sectors (I’m studying this now). Then you can kill your lives praying to a god who would probably send you to hell on your present AGW-trajectory regardless of how much your church songs flatter him. And long term manufacturing jobs, not the type that AGW your trading partners. Your goaltending is inbred.

    • Kiprusoff must love his family way more than other players love their own families, and local boy Dubnyk will emerge late like T.Thomas and Roloson, god-willing.

  7. Since when does intellect enter the climate change question? What are we to be trying to control climate and weather? The Earth changes with or without us. Do we trust the accuracy of climate models that attempt to trend years into the future, yet we cannot achieve accuracy in a 2 week forecast? The best anyone can do is guess. The Earth “is” or “may” be changing. We cannot reverse what has happened. Worst case, all the ice melts. If that is a possibility, quit yapping about green cars and pipelines……start moving cities to higher ground..otherwise New Orleans after Katrina will become very common. Put resources into moving cities instead of taxing carbon and deciding that the world needs to change to a spiral light bulb. Please wake up and do something that matters.

    • Whether or not human activities contribute to any extent to global warming (or if global warming is actually occurring) it still makes sense to try to reduce the amount of pollutants we generate – from energy sources or otherwise. Our current lifestyle is not infinitely sustainable and so we should be investing now in exploring alternatives.

      • I agree with that, however wind turbines and solar panels don’t cut it economically, look for natural gas (compressed or liquid) to become a major player in electricity generation and the marine and land transportation sectors.

  8. Don’t like agreeing with someone called Billy Bob, but this Hansen clown is the best thing that has ever happened to the climate deniers. A kooky buffoon with a PHD and endless idiotic quotes.

  9. Talk about a roll reversal, Joe Oliver using solid data to support his position while James Hansen ignores the data and flings ad hominems

  10. The Great Green Con no. 1: The hard proof that finally shows global
    warming forecasts that are costing you billions were WRONG all along

    David Rose
    23:37 GMT, 16 March 2013

    the world ISN’T getting warmer (as you may have noticed). Now we reveal
    the official data that’s making scientists suddenly change their minds
    about climate doom. So will eco-funded MPs stop waging a green crusade
    with your money? Well… what do YOU think?

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html#ixzz2Rg3ESEzD

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  11. Notice how the Warmist Cult types never provide anything more than insults, distraction and nonsense?

  12. By


    Published: April 4, 2013

    SAN FRANCISCO — Appearing at the home of an outspoken critic of the
    Keystone XL pipeline, President Obama on Wednesday night told a group of
    high-dollar donors that the politics of the environment “are tough.”

    Mr. Obama appears to be leaning toward the approval of the pipeline,
    although he did not specifically mention it to the donors. But he
    acknowledged that it is hard to sell aggressive environmental action —
    like reducing pollution from power plants — to Americans who are still
    struggling in a difficult economy to pay bills, buy gas and save for

    “You may be concerned about the temperature of the planet, but it’s
    probably not rising to your No. 1 concern,” Mr. Obama said. “And if
    people think, well, that’s shortsighted, that’s what happens when you’re
    struggling to get by.”

    Mr. Obama delivered his remarks to a group that hardly needs to worry
    economically: Thomas F. Steyer, the hedge-fund billionaire, and his
    wife, Kat Taylor, along with 100 guests at their home who each paid
    $5,000 to $32,400. The event was the first of four over two days in
    Northern California, the president’s first fund-raising drive in hopes
    of winning a friendlier Congress in 2014.

  13. As more and more years pass without any sign of the temperature increases typical of the late 20th century, more and more people of the 21st century are realizing the folly of panic-stricken carbon strangulation of our economies on the barren altar of AGW.

    As CO2 continues to rise unabated:

    global average temperatures have stagnated:

    Whatever else this tells us, it is clear that CO2 never was the Great Climate Boogeyman it has been made out to be, and is ineffective compared to natural climate forcings.

    • Whatever else your comment tells us, it’s clear that you’ve got no problem repeating the same BS even when you know its exactly that.

      I’d still like to hear your answer to the following:

      If the first week in April is warmer than the last, despite the Earth’s axis continuing to tilt the northern hemisphere further and further towards the sun, does this demonstrate that there is no warming trend from April to August?

  14. I see the Big Tar people are well represented here by the neanderthal PMO and industry shills.