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No vote needed to extend Afghan mission: Harper

‘That is something the executive can do on its own’


 

At a post-G20 news conference in Seoul, Stephen Harper said he doesn’t need Parliament’s approval to extend Canada’s military mission in Afghanistan to 2014. “My position is, if you are going to put troops into combat, into a war situation, I do think, for the sake of legitimacy. . . the government does require the support of Parliament,” Harper said. “But when we’re talking simply about technical or training missions, I think that is something the executive can do on its own.”

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No vote needed to extend Afghan mission: Harper

  1. “But when we're talking simply about technical or training missions, I think that is something the executive can do on its own.”

    This would make sense… if Canada had a Presidential executive branch.

  2. “But when we're talking simply about technical or training missions, I think that is something the executive can do on its own.”

    This would make sense… if Canada had a Presidential executive branch.

    • Canada does have an executive – The Governor-General in Council (aka the Privy Council aka Cabinet). They serve as the executive branch of our government. We do not have a DIVIDED executive, like a republican or presidential system, but that does not mean we don't have an executive.

      Here is a nice chart showing how a fused executive system works (ie an executive system that exists within a legislative system)
      http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/AboutParliament/

      • Interesting link, although I did feel like I was reading a Grade 7 text book…..

      • It's not a real executive in the true sense of the word.

  3. I noted that the "class picture" of the G20 summit leaders taken on Nov.11 shows the Brit PM wearing a poppy whereas our Mr Harper, isn't.

  4. I noted that the "class picture" of the G20 summit leaders taken on Nov.11 shows the Brit PM wearing a poppy whereas our Mr Harper, isn't.

  5. I agree with Harper!
    There's a time and place for everything I guess.

  6. I agree with Harper!
    There's a time and place for everything I guess.

    • I would not want one man making a decision that could cost me my life, especially when that one man has shown that he is uncaring, If the majority of Canadians made it I may not like it either, but at least it would be more acceptable.
      I am sure lives will still be lost in any mission there. Bring the troops home now.

  7. Democracy seems inconvenient to Stevie. He represents a small proportion of the population and has no respect fore the rule of law. Notice how his nose gets longer as he breaks even more promises.

  8. Democracy seems inconvenient to Stevie. He represents a small proportion of the population and has no respect fore the rule of law. Notice how his nose gets longer as he breaks even more promises.

    • Exactly! Democracy would mean seeing what most Canadians want. It would also make Harper look less dictatorial.

  9. Canada does have an executive – The Governor-General in Council (aka the Privy Council aka Cabinet). They serve as the executive branch of our government. We do not have a DIVIDED executive, like a republican or presidential system, but that does not mean we don't have an executive.

    Here is a nice chart showing how a fused executive system works (ie an executive system that exists within a legislative system)
    http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/AboutParliament/

  10. Harper referring to the government as "the executive" would seem to indicate that either he does not understand our form of government. or he likes to pretend that he is an American president. Sending Dimitri out to explain the Afghan policy was another example of Harper trying to do things like the Americans.

  11. Harper referring to the government as "the executive" would seem to indicate that either he does not understand our form of government. or he likes to pretend that he is an American president. Sending Dimitri out to explain the Afghan policy was another example of Harper trying to do things like the Americans.

  12. Interesting link, although I did feel like I was reading a Grade 7 text book…..

  13. It's not a real executive in the true sense of the word.

  14. Exactly! Democracy would mean seeing what most Canadians want. It would also make Harper look less dictatorial.

  15. I would not want one man making a decision that could cost me my life, especially when that one man has shown that he is uncaring, If the majority of Canadians made it I may not like it either, but at least it would be more acceptable.
    I am sure lives will still be lost in any mission there. Bring the troops home now.

  16. "My position is…"

    Spare us. You're a politician. The real reasoning behind any "position" will never be admitted even if we all know what it is: whatever works for your personal political chances using whatever tactical nonsense you can employ.

    Face it, the guy just doesn't want to have to face parliament after all the noise made about our involvement ending in 2011, and wants to put the best possible face on it. In this case, a pretense of righteous command. Yawn.

    While I don't blame him to some degree, since the drones a.k.a "voters" only vote for appearances and wouldn't know substance if it bit them in the ascot, frankly I'm tired of pretenses.

    Seems to me that anyone who follows politics long enough will either buy into the simplistic notions presented by its advocates and turn to partisanship, or be overcome by the realization that our "system" is merely a dressed up tribalism with little redeeming value, and cease to be enthralled.

    Politics these days is little more than theatre, and not very good theatre at that.

  17. "My position is…"

    Spare us. You're a politician. The real reasoning behind any "position" will never be admitted even if we all know what it is: whatever works for your personal political chances using whatever tactical nonsense you can employ.

    Face it, the guy just doesn't want to have to face parliament after all the noise made about our involvement ending in 2011, and wants to put the best possible face on it. In this case, a pretense of righteous command. Yawn.

    While I don't blame him to some degree, since the drones a.k.a "voters" only vote for appearances and wouldn't know substance if it bit them in the ascot, frankly I'm tired of pretenses.

    Seems to me that anyone who follows politics long enough will either buy into the simplistic notions presented by its advocates and turn to partisanship, or be overcome by the realization that our "system" is merely a dressed up tribalism with little redeeming value, and cease to be enthralled.

    Politics these days is little more than theatre, and not very good theatre at that.

  18. People need to realize that in a democracy the people elect others to make decisions for them.

    Not every single thing the government does has to be put to a vote! In this case Harper is, I believe, entirely right. I don't believe that every mission the military gets involved in has to be approved by the parliament.

  19. People need to realize that in a democracy the people elect others to make decisions for them.

    Not every single thing the government does has to be put to a vote! In this case Harper is, I believe, entirely right. I don't believe that every mission the military gets involved in has to be approved by the parliament.

  20. If you're going to belong to the U.N., the idea is to kick something back in.

    Canadians are very, very good at training. I don't know what they'll be able to with the ingrained corruption in that country. Maybe Afghanistan will just end up with really well trained Afghans carrying guns who use it toward dishonorable intent.

  21. If you're going to belong to the U.N., the idea is to kick something back in.

    Canadians are very, very good at training. I don't know what they'll be able to with the ingrained corruption in that country. Maybe Afghanistan will just end up with really well trained Afghans carrying guns who use it toward dishonorable intent.

  22. With OBL gone, thankfully it need not be extended.