Nothing to see here, just some Mounties lying -

Nothing to see here, just some Mounties lying


Paul Kennedy, chair of the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP, has released his report on the death of Robert Dziekanski. And, quelle surprise, he’s found that a) the Mounties behaved unprofessionally, and then b) lied  about it. Well, Kennedy puts it only slightly more diplomatically:

I do not accept the version of events as presented by the four responding RCMP members. The statements provided by the members are sparse in terms of detail of the events and the thought processes of the members as events unfolded. When tracked against the witness video, the recollections of the members fall short of a credible statement of the events as they actually unfolded. The fact that the members met together prior to providing statements causes me to further question their versions of events.

I.e. they lied.

And why wouldn’t they? The RCMP lies about everything. They lied about APEC. They lied about  the name a six-year-old gave to a puppy in a contest. And they lied over and over again to Paul Kennedy.

Gary Mason sees changes afoot. Can’t come soon enough.

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Nothing to see here, just some Mounties lying

  1. Didn't they also lie about Maher Arar?

  2. Who cares if the police want over sight or not? It isn't about them and in any case it's obvious they need saving from themselves.

    By the way, why do police get an automatic pass from Conservatives while every other bureaucrat is supect? Shouldn't the great libertarians be more concerned about the limits of authority for the enforcement arm of government?

  3. Hey, that's totally unfair. The military and CSIS also get an automatic pass.

  4. They also lied when they beat up a newspaper delivery man in front of a Vancouver downtown hotel.

  5. "Gary Mason sees changes afoot. Can't come soon enough."

    Hear, hear. For the sake of the rank-and-file, the entire upper echelon of RCMP management needs to be thrown out on its ear, independent oversight needs to be put in place, and any ties to political power need to be abruptly severed.

    Sadly, I'm not holding my breath.

  6. FarceCMP are "hasbeens" – I see no reason why I or any sane minded Canadian should give any of them my/our respect based on their self-centered, above the law attitudes they have displayed in the presence of the public with this recent incident as well as many others of past….. [spit]

    • I see a parallel here with the military: you can criticize the leadership, or lack of it, without necessarily painting the entire force with the same brush.

      However, rot at the top finds its way south. If the values and morals of a leadership are consistently rotten, how can it not eventually infect the rest?

  7. If this sort of revelation is actually a suprise to anyone, they deserve a smack on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
    It has always been rationalized by a healthy percentage of law enforcement that to break laws in the pursuit of someone they feel may have broken a law is an entirely acceptable process for law enforcement.
    Let me guess, whats next, oh my, no, it cannot be true… are there really two classes of people, one that the law applies to and one that is doesn't…
    …put on your wool coat and repeat after me … baaaaa baaaa

  8. They lied about Ian Bush, and also a bit about what actually went down with Curtis Dagenais — I do believe that young officer harrassed him, not that he ambushed them. Did you know the RCMP in charge that day is now a Con MP?

    Surely it was a lie to call an investigation into Goodale's office in the midst of an election.

  9. Was it also a lie when they arrested someone at the end of the investigation?

  10. I'm re-reading "Dispersing the Fog", by former G & M reporter Paul Palango. I first read it a year ago. He has also writen two other books on the RCMP. If you're a pol junkie and a concerned citizen, it should be required reading.

    One of Palango's primary concerns is that the Commisioner is a DM and therefore under the influence of cabinet/PMO/PCO.

    If the office is de jure politicized, how can we surprised when the person who holds it is affected by that?

    As to the "bad attitude" and behavior problems in the ranks, in a series of private conversatons with a 30 yr RCMP veteran (whom I was dealing with in his capacity in IA regarding a complaint I filed about the off duty behavior an RCMP inspector) he explained to me that budget considerations had forced the training academy in Regina to employ lower-priced less experienced staff. He said that the decay in the tradition of the force and the decline in the "moral standards" of the members were directly related to the poor training the prospective members were getting.

    Anyone with eyes can see there is a big problem. In BC it has become somewhat of a gong show.

    • The attitudes of the RCMP are actually pretty typical of police forces these days (perhaps always). The difference now is the public exposure of these "isolated events" by "rogue officers". We keep giving our police forces ever increasing powers and laws to administer and then wring our hands when they take advantage of them for their own agendas.

      The truth is that it is only the individual morals and behavior of enough officers that has prevented even worse abuses.

    • I agree that there are shocking problems with the RCMP, but Palango , while vocal, is not the best place to go for analysis. His heart may be in the right place, but his research skills are abysmal. We don't need poorly supported conspiracy theory: we need responsible investigation of a very clear problem in policing.