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Olympic hats create storm – but it could have been worse


 

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Much drama and political theatre in the House foyer as opposition MPs like Liberal Hedy Fry (below) were aghast over official caps for the 2010 Vancouver Olympic Games bearing a similar logo  to the Conservative Party logo. 

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Toronto NDP MP Olivia Chow was upset the hats were made in China. (That is just soooo Beijing 2008!)

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Liberals were handing out the caps in the foyer.  Alykhan Velshi (left), aide to Immigration Minister Jason Kenney (right), seemed to be happy to score a free hat. 

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And what  if the Liberals would have been in power  and a similar  “coincidence”  happened ?  Maybe Canadian Olympic athletes would have been walking around with a big “L” on their foreheads.


 

Olympic hats create storm – but it could have been worse

  1. Somebody in the know, tell us how they ever pulled this one off? And so brazen and obvious, full of the knowledge they would get away with it, with no price to pay, what with a weak frightened opposition and a compliant media. It's a beauty. How can any opposition party compete with this stuff?

    • and now I hear the hats were made in China? An obvious overtone to the Chinese as a way to mend fences. Nothing is made in China nowadays. Geez, Harper will do anything to suck up to his masters in Washin…..er..Beijing, yeah, now it's Beijing he loves more than Canada.

    • John W. – are you the type who sees the likeness of the Virgin Mary in half-eaten bagels? Sheesh.

      • You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

        • Wait, now the Weathermen are involved in this conspiracy??? Does their involvement have something to do with Chicago's bid for the 2016 Olympics?

  2. what were the odds that both Conservative and Canada both start with the letter "C"? Would it have been better to have the leaf circle the C?

    • In most languages, Canada is spelled with a K.

      • In most languages, idiot is also spelled differently.

    • In most languages, Canada is spilled with a K.

  3. From a graphic design perspective, this is like saying that the CBC and AT&T logos are alike because they both use circular, stylized globe-like motifs suggesting dimensionality. There's a wealth of tangentially similar designs including a C for Canada and a maple leaf – so many that the combination of "circular motif, circular letter, red, blue and/or black, and maple leaves" fits over 62,000 registered trade-marks known to the Canadian Intellectual Property Office.

    (And if Hedy Fry really wants to press the issue of partisan political identification and national symbols, we could always consider the curious matter of why Pearson's choice for the flag included only Liberal red…)

  4. From a graphic design perspective, this is like saying that the CBC and AT&T logos are alike because they both use circular, stylized globe-like motifs suggesting dimensionality. There's a wealth of tangentially similar designs including a C for Canada and a maple leaf – so many that the descriptive combination of "circular motif, circular letter, red, blue and/or black, and maple leaves" fits over 62,000 registered trade-marks known to the Canadian Intellectual Property Office.

    (And if Hedy Fry really wants to press the issue of partisan political identification and national symbols, we could always consider the curious matter of why Pearson's choice for the flag included only Liberal red…)

  5. From a graphic design perspective, this is like saying that the CBC and AT&T logos are alike because they both use circular, stylized globe-like motifs suggesting dimensionality. There's a wealth of tangentially similar designs including a C for Canada and a maple leaf – so many that the descriptive combination of "circular motif, circular letter, red, blue and/or black, and maple leaves" fits over 62,000 registered trade-marks known to the Canadian Intellectual Property Office. It's a "brazen and obvious" attempt to work the Conservative logo into the Olympic Team's uniforms only if you are very, very stupid or very, very high.

    (And if Hedy Fry really wants to press the issue of partisan political identification and national symbols, we could always consider the curious matter of why Pearson's choice for the flag included only Liberal red…)

  6. From a graphic design perspective, this is like saying that the CBC and AT&T logos are alike because they both use circular, stylized globe-like motifs suggesting dimensionality. There's a wealth of tangentially similar designs including a C for Canada and a maple leaf – so many that the descriptive combination of "circular motif, circular letter, red, blue and/or black, and maple leaves" fits over 62,000 registered trade-marks known to the Canadian Intellectual Property Office. It's a "brazen and obvious" attempt to work the Conservative logo into the Olympic Team's uniforms only if you are very stupid, very ignorant or very, very high.

    (And if Hedy Fry really wants to press the issue of partisan political identification and national symbols, we could always consider the curious matter of why Pearson's choice for the flag included only Liberal red…)

  7. From a graphic design perspective, this is like saying that the CBC and AT&T logos are alike because they both use circular, stylized globe-like motifs suggesting dimensionality. There's a wealth of tangentially similar designs including a C for Canada and a maple leaf – so many that the descriptive combination of "circular motif, circular letter, red, blue and/or black, and maple leaves" fits over 62,000 registered trade-marks known to the Canadian Intellectual Property Office. It's a "brazen and obvious" attempt to work the Conservative logo into the Olympic Team's uniforms only if you are very, very stupid or very, very high.

    (And if Hedy Fry really wants to press the issue of partisan political identification and national symbols, we could always consider the curious matter of why Pearson's choice for the flag included only Liberal red…)

  8. From a graphic design perspective, this is like saying that the CBC and AT&T logos are alike because they both use circular, stylized globe-like motifs suggesting dimensionality. There's a wealth of tangentially similar designs including a C for Canada and a maple leaf – so many that the descriptive combination of "circular motif, circular letter, red, blue and/or black, and maple leaves" fits over 62,000 registered trade-marks known to the Canadian Intellectual Property Office. It's a "brazen and obvious" attempt to work the Conservative logo into the Olympic Team's uniforms only if you are very stupid, very ignorant or very, very high.

    (And if Hedy Fry really wants to press the issue of partisan political identification and national symbolism, we could always consider the curious matter of why Pearson's choice for the flag included only Liberal red…)

    • I happen to agree that it's likely a coincidence and nothing more.

      As for the flag: it was a minority parliament so hardly a dictatorial act by Pearson. And Diefenbaker in fact fought to keep the – you'll never guess…. RED Ensign.

      Also, out of curiousity, is there an era in history beyond which conservatives consider it silly to draw material to attack the Liberals with?

      • Well, if you want to get into this debate: the Red Ensign, containing the shield portion of the Arms of Canada, and the Union Flag canton, is sufficiently conservative (in the sense of pure traditionalism) to be satisfactory, colours aside. Replacing it with an entirely new design that just so happens to be solely the long-identified colour of the party in power on white, well…I'm sure you might have looked askance at Bush seeking to replace the US flag with one eliminating all blue in the design, for instance.

      • Well, if you want to get into this debate: the Red Ensign, containing the shield portion of the Arms of Canada, and the Union Flag canton, is sufficiently conservative (in the sense of pure traditionalism) to be satisfactory, colours aside. Replacing it with an entirely new design that just so happens to be duochromatic and primarily the long-identified colour of the party in power, well…I'm sure you might have looked askance at Bush seeking to replace the US flag with one eliminating all blue in the design, for instance.

      • Well, if you want to get into this debate: the Red Ensign, containing the shield portion of the Arms of Canada, and the Union Flag canton, is sufficiently conservative (in the sense of pure traditionalism) to be satisfactory, colours aside. Replacing it with an entirely new design that just so happens to be minimalist, duochromatic and primarily the long-identified colour of the party in power, well…I'm sure you might have looked askance at Bush seeking to replace the US flag with one eliminating all blue in the design, for instance.

        • The flag debate was fierce, but I don't recall reading any charges that the final design was somehow too "LIberal" in flavour. And I don't think Dief would have held back on that front (but if it was a prominent argument against the flag, point me the source, because I'd be interested to read it!) I really think you're off base, in this instance, though.

      • Well, if you want to get into this debate: the Red Ensign, containing the shield portion of the Arms of Canada, and the Union Flag canton, is sufficiently conservative (in the sense of pure traditionalism) to be satisfactory, colours aside. Replacing it with an entirely new design that just so happens to be minimalist, duochromatic and primarily the long-identified colour of the party in power, well…I'm sure you might have looked askance at Bush seeking to replace the US flag with one eliminating all blue in the design, for instance.

        Now, the flag is the flag, and I don't refuse to recognize it, or anything silly like that. But I am pointing out that even if the accusation were true, Liberals hardly have clean hands on this count.

        • Again, if you want to attack the Liberals for the fact that a red and white flag received majority support in the House of Commons while they had the plurality of votes that's silly, but fine. However, Pearson himself wanted a flag that was red, white AND BLUE, and the all-party committee the government set-up to make the recommendation chose another option unanimously, so the red and white nature of today's flag is hardly solely attributable to Pearson, since his preference was NOT for a red and white flag.

      • Well, if you want to get into this debate: the Red Ensign, containing the shield portion of the Arms of Canada, and the Union Flag canton, is sufficiently conservative (in the sense of pure traditionalism) to be satisfactory, colours aside. Replacing it with an entirely new design that just so happens to be minimalist, duochromatic and primarily the long-identified colour of the party in power, well…I'm sure you might have looked askance at Bush seeking to replace the US flag with one eliminating all blue in the design, for instance.

        Now, it's the flag, and I don't refuse to recognize it or anything silly like that. But I am pointing out that even if the accusation were true, Liberals hardly have clean hands on this count.

    • Look at the picture with the guy in the cap. Looking from a little bit of distance back, and the two are virtually the same.
      This one isn't even worth trying to deny. Take a bow and enjoy it.

    • Pearson's preferred choice for the flag of Canada included red, white and blue but the multiparty committee set-up to choose a new flag design voted, unanimously, for a different choice.

      Also, King George V proclaimed the colours of Canada to be red and white in 1921, so unless you're going to claim next that the King was a partisan Liberal hack…

      • Also, King George V proclaimed the colours of Canada to be red and white in 1921

        I've pasted the full text of that proclamation above. Would you care to point out where therein one might find language to that effect?

      • Also, King George V proclaimed the colours of Canada to be red and white in 1921

        I've pasted the full text of that proclamation above. Would you care to point out where therein one might find language to that effect? I'll admit I'm no expert at heraldry, but I can't seem to read it in a way that suggests argent and gules are the sole official colours of Canada.

        • You may be correct, but if so, every government page about the flag and symbols of Canada I can find has the same error on it, including the ones that are flooded with "post-Tory-victory blue" so that will need to be fixed!

        • I think my point about Pearson's preference stands though. Pearson wanted a flag that included blue, but the all-party committee set-up to make the choice voted unanimously for a different option. So if the Liberals managed to sneakily trick a minority parliament into voting in favour of a flag using only "Liberal" colours, they did so against the wishes of their leader, through the auspices of a unanimous vote by a multiparty committee, which would be quite a feat!

      • Also, King George V proclaimed the colours of Canada to be red and white in 1921

        I've pasted the full text of that proclamation above. Would you care to point out where therein one might find language to that effect? I'll admit I'm no expert at heraldry, but I can't seem to read it in a way that suggests argent and gules are the official colours of Canada.

    • So after all that, I'm right!!!!!

    • If only there was a newsmagazine in Canada that has been around for decades hat would have a story in its archives on this debate……if only those archives were searchable…..hmmmmm….

  9. I believe red and white were approved as Canada's official colours in the proclamation of her coat of arms in 1921.

    • Nope. Look it up; all colours (or, more properly, "tinctures") used in the arms are specified. Argent (white) and gules (red) are mentioned where used, but not as the sole "official" colours in any capacity.

      • I did look it up. You're wrong. CAPS is right:

        "Red and white were approved as Canada's official colours in the proclamation of her coat of arms in 1921.

        In 1957, the colour of the maple leaves on the shield of the Royal Arms of Canada was changed from green on a white ground to red on a white ground in recognition of Canada's official colours."

        http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/ceem-cced/symbl/o4-eng.c

      • Where did you look it up? 'Cause that's not what our government's websites say. Both here, and here it mentions King George V proclaiming red and white to be Canada's official colours in 1921, as was always my understanding. So, if that's wrong you should probably write to Canadian Heritage with a correction.

        As for your knock against Pearson though, the flag he wanted DEFINITELY included blue, but the all-party committee set-up to make the recommendation unanimously chose an option DIFFERENT than Pearson's preference.

        • Where did you look it up? 'Cause that's not what our government's websites say.

          I read the text of the actual royal proclamation (as is generally a good idea when discussing written texts that have the force of law behind them) rather than the federal web design copywriter's loose summary. It's true enough to say that red and white are among the colours specified in the Arms of Canada, but it isn't true to say that proclamation establishes them as "official colours."

        • Where did you look it up? 'Cause that's not what our government's websites say.

          I read the text of the actual royal proclamation (as is generally a good idea when discussing written texts that have the force of law behind them) rather than the federal web design copywriter's loose summary. It's true enough to say that red and white are among the colours specified in the Arms of Canada, but it isn't true to say that proclamation establishes them as "the official colours."

        • Where did you look it up? 'Cause that's not what our government's websites say.

          I read the text of the actual royal proclamation (as is generally a good idea when discussing written texts that have the force of law behind them) rather than the federal web design copywriter's loose summary. It's true enough to say that red and white are among the colours specified in the Arms of Canada, but it isn't true to say that proclamation establishes them as "the official colours," so far as I can tell.

          • See my post above. I can see why you interpreted it that way, but once I read more about the particular importance of Canada's depiction on the central shield, it made sense how that same proclamation made our official colours red and white.

          • Eh. I'll disagree about the effectiveness of officialization by the 1921 proclamation – when it takes a lengthy academic interpretation of heraldry to make that claim by the process of deduction, I have to question it just a bit – but it's certainly a solid argument in good faith, I'll concede.

          • Eh. I'll disagree about the effectiveness of officialization at that point – when it takes a lengthy academic interpretation of heraldry to make that claim by the process of deduction, I have to question it just a bit – but it's certainly a solid argument in good faith, I'll concede.

          • Eh. I'll disagree about the effectiveness of officialization by the 1921 proclamation – when it takes a lengthy academic interpretation of heraldry to make that claim by the process of deduction, I have to question it just a bit – but it's certainly a solid argument, I'll concede.

          • Eh. I'll disagree about the effectiveness of officialization by the 1921 proclamation – when it takes a lengthy academic interpretation of heraldry to make that claim by the process of deduction, I have to question it just a bit – but it's certainly a solid and logical argument, I'll concede.

          • It's not a solid argument, it's fact. Our official colours were decided by an act of proclamation decreeing our heraldry. I agree that learning the ins and outs of heraldry are a bit complex, being based on centuries of custom and arcane symbols, but the use of red and white to denote Canada on the shield was a deliberate and undebatable formalization of our colours (it's just that it wasn't seen as the 'main event' of the decision). Which is why the government website clearly states our national colours ARE red and white, not *interpreted as red and white since 1921* or any such fuzzy reference.

          • I'm totally obsessed with this now (I've always had an interest in heraldry) so I'll just point out that on the page that Sean cites it says "Colonel A. Fortescue Duguid paraphrased the grant for the flag committee during the 1945-46 flag controversy: The King at the request of Canada, assigns to Canada the national colours white and red, and declares that the national emblem of Canada shall be three maple leaves on one stem on a white field."

            I don't know who Colonel Duguid is exactly, but a quick search seems to indicate that he was the official historian of the Canadian Expeditionary Force following WWI, and therefore wrote the official history of Canada's involvement in the Great War, so I'll take his paraphrase as gospel, lacking further evidence. I also can't find anyone (on the interwebs anyway) arguing that the 1921 grant did NOT assign white and red as our national colours, so for now I'll trust the websites of our Conservative government (lol).

  10. I am surprised, what with Hedy's busy schedule of finding burning crosses in Prince George, that she has the time to be the Graphics Design critique for the Liberal Party.

    • I thought she had given that up. Isn't she now the critic responsible for telling military families not to be proud of the flag anymore?

    • OMG now Harper's forcing his party's logo on businesses! Will he stop at nothing to amalgamate his party's brand into the fabric of this country?!! He said himself that we wouldn't recognize Canada when he's done with it. I had no idea this was his strategy. Fascist, I say, Fascist!

  11. No, I'm calling this BS. Loudly and repeatedly, until you are made to understand that you are wrong.

    • Didn't one of the Canucks failed logo/uniforms have the big C?

      • It wasn't a failed logo – it was the team's original uniform, which is still worn in some games. The logo was a rink with a hockey stick, which together formed a C for "Canucks".

  12. No, I'm calling this BS. Loudly and repeatedly, until you are made to understand that you are very, very wrong.

    • Who's gonna make him understand? Coincidental maybe. At first glance they're strikingly similar. With anyone other than these clowns you could give them the benefit of the doubt.

    • How exactly do you make people understand that?

    • I could never tire hammering on your head that every possibility of an adscam is worth investigating.

    • I like that "you are made to understand".

  13. what about our official languages?

    • This is an international event, fellow citizen.

      • Will you be expecting Los Estados Unidos to be changing their logos to accommodate international audiences, as well?

      • Those Conservatives are incredibly devious. They built a time machine, went back to 1900, and arranged to have Canada spelled with a "C" in every modern Olympics. "No questions, De Coubertin, just write it the way I tell you!!!" Thank God Agent Ottawasteph is on to their nefarious time-tripping plot!

      • I guess we better change the name of our country so that we conform to international standards then. How does Liberistan suit you?

  14. Sometimes I just want to shake every MP in this country and shout "what the hell is wrong with you people?"

    • I feel the same way sometimes. Whenever I think that the political shenanigans in this country couldn't get any stupider, some Tory or Liberal or Dipper MP always manages to lower the bar.

      • BQ members are the classiest MPs in the House, in Chamber and on committees, bar none! (I'm not a member.)

        • I guess I have attended different Committee meetings than you. There are classy MPs in all four parties. I certainly do not believe that one party has a monoploly on class..

      • Indeed – ! Political Shenanigans are non-partisan!

  15. To me, the logo looks more like a combination of the logos that Le Canadien used back in 1909-1911. You can check em out on la version française of the team's wikipedia page. PS, I don't like the CPC, so this isn't political spin.

    • Anyone know where I can get that really cool CPC doggy jacket,
      saw it in a pic of James Moore and his dog????
      Can't find the pic nor the CPC doggy jacket…

  16. We do know all the gifted athletes and medal-winners will be conservatives.

  17. To me it looks like a cross between the Calgary Flames' logo and the Montreal Canadiens'.

  18. If you're right, in addition to that page, and the two other pages I noted below, Heritage Canada also needs to fix this decidedly blue page from Canadian Heritage which also mentions red and white being our official colours since 1921.

    Of course, again, since the Liberal leader of the day wanted a flag that did, in fact, include blue, it's all a rather moot point in the context in which we're speaking.

    • You're right. Let's go back to my first point – not yet challenged – that it's ridiculous to claim that a maple leaf and a C constitute an unacceptable similarity to the CPC logo, considering how common those are as design elements.

      • You must admit, however, that if they wanted to make Team Canada's logo look like their "puffed C," just as they've changed GoC websites to be as blue as their party's site, this would be the exact result.

      • The similarity is there, like it not. Wouldn't think the possibility of a conservative adscam is worth investigating?

  19. On the shield, there are England, Ireland, Scotland and France as the top four 'quadrants' (the founding 'nations') The bottom section of the shield represents Canada, and as such the use of red and white for the maple leaves represents our official colours.

    (But I have to admit,it wasn't easy to figure that out! On the plus side, the government page I cited isn't giving out false info.)

    http://www.fraser.cc/FlagsCan/Nation/NatSym.html

  20. On the shield, there are England, Ireland, Scotland and France as the top four 'quadrants' (the founding 'nations') The bottom section of the shield represents Canada, and as such the use of red and white for the maple leaves and background represents our official colours.

    (But I have to admit,it wasn't easy to figure that out! On the plus side, the government page I cited isn't giving out false info.)

    <a href="http://www.fraser.cc/FlagsCan/Nation/NatSym.html” target=”_blank”>http://www.fraser.cc/FlagsCan/Nation/NatSym.html

  21. I would have liked to think that the COC or Hockey Canada could have found a Canadian manufacturer for the hats.

    In terms of the logo I think it is recalls the RCAF logo and it will be 62 years since the RCAF Flyers won gold at the 1948 in St. Moritz, Switzerland.

    In that sense I'm not crazy about having the "C" in blue. I hope red and white are still the dominant colours.

    As for that infandous last photo I would imagine a wide-angle lense was required.

    • It's weird that our Liberal and NDP friends are upset over an example of free trade. Are they joining the Democratic Congress in becoming cheerleaders for global protectionism?

      • On a day when Dippers prop up Harper, and Don Martin says rumors of at least one Lib crossing the floor,
        yah take your diversionary issues when they come, no matter how ridiculous!

  22. I agree that this is incredibly stupid (I dove into avr's whole flag bit just because (and in his defense this was maybe partly avr's point) it was just as stupid) but still, out of curiosity, what are these hats precisely, and who approved them? Presumably, if these are the "official caps for the 2010 Vancouver Olympic Games" then it was VANOC or the COC who came up with them, so it would seem the Tories can't really even be rhetorically faulted. Was there even the slightest involvement by the government in creating whatever these caps are?

    MUCH more importantly, aren't these caps LAME!?!?!?! Our athletes aren't going to be wearing these things are they!?!?!?

    Can we move quickly from "these caps are horribly partisan" to the more important point? These caps are horrible! (OK, "horrible" is overstating it, but they're REALLY REALLY bad). My objection to these hats being worn by our athletes (if that's what they're for) has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with aesthetics. Please, please, PLEASE dont't make our athletes wear those!!!

    • Web need a "C" turned 90 degrees to look like a horseshoe.

    • I love them, going to the Bay right after work to buy a couple.

    • I'd rather they have the CPC logo, it's a lot nicer.

  23. ROFL – LMFAO – it's part of the hidden agenda folks .. pay attention now – here is the heart of Harper's machiavellian plot (1) equate the olympic logo with the conservative party logo .. (2) Harper attends the final hockey game (3) canada hockey team wins gold (4) as each canadian hockey plaer skates past Harper the camera pans into the logo (4) … once subliminal messaging has been embedded into that most dark and myserious of abysses (the looney left mind!) -> then prresto the moment the writ is dropped each left wing nut will stand up and walk zombie like to the voting booth repeating the mantra – go for gold vote conservative – go for gold vote conservative – go for gold vote conservative – go for gold vote conservative -> oooohhhhhmmmmm

    • That's exactly it. Welcome to Giornoland.

    • pisclone. I am afraid there will be many people who will believe your conspiracy theory. Just like they believe 9/11 was a plot by the US military.

  24. Answering my own question, these are the newly unveiled caps (which were unveiled along with a bunch of other stuff) from HBC. As far as I can tell, the government had ZERO to do with the design WHATSOEVER.

    Also, while all clothing worn by the athletes will be made in Canada, only 25% sold to the public will be made here, apparently because there's simply a need for too much product to be handled by only Canadian manufacturers (which I'll buy for now until someone shows me convincing evidence otherwise).

    Now, can we all move on to complaining about how lame this stuff is!?!?! Remind me again why Roots isn't doing our Olympic stuff anymore. IMHO, they always did a great job. Meanwhile, "Meh" is about as complimentary as I've been able to be about the HBC stuff so far.

    • The Bay is currently owned by an American isn't it?

      • The HBC are following Tim Horton's move 'back to Canada'.

  25. It's just a poor, unimaginative, uncreative design driven by literal specifications and a committee. It is designed to be 'read' , not 'seen'.

  26. Here's a <a href="http://www.theprovince.com/sports/2010wintergames/Gallery+2010+Olympic+merchandise/2055194/story.html">gallery of more of the clothes. With the sole exception of the cardigan sweater (which is a nice sweater of Canadian motifs, but hardly screams "Team Canada") my verdict is: EPIC FAIL.

    Most of the comments at The Provinces' story use words like ugly, failure, cheap, hideous, joke, etc… Several also echoed my sentiment above: Can we give the contract back to Roots already!?!?!?!

  27. Fine, copy and paste everyone, suddenly the comments section won't take my links! LOL

  28. Hey you got my vote : whatever happened to Roots taking care of things – they were very cool!

  29. must be another vast right wing conspiracy.

    Anyway, the liberals got the flag (seriously, WHY aren't those two little bands on the left and right not blue? oceans? ad mare usque ad mare? hello?), the cons got the vancouver 2010 hat. Even steven.

    Secondly, isn't that burning crosses in kamloops lady holding that sign? she's still around? seriously? with so many millions of canadians facing unemployment, her not facing it is outrageous.

    • Just back on the flag thing, the Liberal PM of the day, Pearson did actually want the bands on the left and right to be blue, that was his preference (along with three leaves in the center like on the Coat of Arms). There was a multiparty committee struck to make a recommendation to Parliament, and that all-party committee chose the white and red only version, which was then passed by Parliament (and, importantly to your contention that "the Liberals got the flag", it was a minority Parliament too, so the Liberals needed more than just their votes to get it through the House). It passed 163-78 (there were 128 Liberals in the House I believe, but some voted against the new flag, and some Tories voted for it… I don't know what the actual vote breakdown was).

      • Alright alright, fine. Guilty. I know nothing about Canadian history. Don't blame me, I went to public school! I think we spent 2 weeks on it. All I know is that it was called the Pearson Pennant, Pearson was a Liberal, therefore, blame him (you don't get too rigorous when you need to cover 300 years of history in 2 weeks).

        HOWEVER, irrespective of who to blame, I still don't think it makes sense. Should have went with the blue sides. Would have been a nice gesture for those uppity Quebec-folk too. Ah well. As with most things Canadian, it's not perfect, but it works well enough.

  30. What the…? This seems to be a serious post, with proper grammar, and well thought out logic.

    It does not belong here.

    • I'll take your word for it. Hto H is the anti-twitter.

    • my sentimements exacltltytly .. most likely one of those edumucated types I hear tell bout!

  31. Hey, some of you are forgetting the teachings of Tom Flannagan. Remember it doesn't have to be true, only plausible.
    Given the partisanship of the Harper government it is plausible that the similarities between the designs are not merely coincidental.
    One thing for certain, the Canadian Olympic team logo sucks. It is an ugly, static design that exudes the energy of a dead fish.
    Roots, come back. All is forgiven.

    • he was saying that with reagrd to negative advertising….or making political charges……it saves one from actually having to concoct the conspiracy theory.

      But I suspect this story, if it doesnt sink beneath the waves by tomorrow will become the post martin equivalent of "soldiers in the streets"

      With no proof, it just doesnt match average every day people's (non partisans) experience.

      But Roots…..all agreed there….the quintessetial Canadian company, run by a couple of American expats.

  32. High irony that Olivia is moaning about things made in China.

  33. That's pretty funny coming from the Liberals given that the Canadian flag design was chosen by a Liberal Prime Minister, with Liberal colours, and a leaf belonging to a tree that predominantly grows in the East where most Liberal votes come from. If anyone should be accused of the ultimate Canadian logo controversy, it should be the Liberals.

    • OK, now I think people are claiming Pearson didn't want blue in the flag just to drive me nuts.

      If I can manage to put a link in again, here's the flag Liberal PM Pearson preferred. Unless I'm colour blind, that's blue on the right and left there. Pearson's choice was cast aside by an all-party committee, which recommended Parliament adopt the current flag. Parliament (a MINORITY Parliament in which the Liberals had only a plurality) then voted 163-78 in favour of the new flag, with Liberals and Tories on both sides of the vote.

    • Oh, and on the Maple Leaf, take that beef up with the King.

      The Maple Leaf was a symbol of Canada LOOOOONG before Pearson, and was the official symbol of Canada since George V proclaimed our Coat of Arms in 1921.

      I've seen no evidence that the King was a Liberal hack, and notorious Liberal Robert Borden was Prime Minister when the King made said proclamation, following advice from the Canadian government.

      • On the plus side, this has been a nice little refresher course in flag history and the like. For those of us who like facts, anyway.

  34. I can't believe the things people will try to make an issue of. The C is a completely different colour and looks nothing like the Conservative "C". The maple leaf is a different shade of red and looks completely different from the maple leaf in the Conservative logo. I would even say the designers went out of their way to avoid comparisons.

    • That's a generous use of the word "completely" that a evokes a sense of myopy and astigmatism. There is a very basic resemblance: "C" with a maple leaf inside. Shade and shape doesn't matter. In branding terms it's close enough because most people wouldn't make a conscious connection but would, by the end of the Olympics, find the CPC logo more familiar and appeasing. If no one would have mentioned it, no one would have been the wiser.

      Of course it could still be just a coincidence…

  35. This is hilarious. I love goofy sideshows like this. Hopefully Ignatieff will integrate the Olympic logo complaint into his stump speeches, just like he tried to politicize that body bag shipment. It will do wonders for his reputation as a serious thinker. Bring on the theatrics!

    /end sarcasm

    • Surely you jest? The whole freaking term of this govt has been one long theatrical sideshow.

    • This is lol hilarious!
      What a timely diversion to Don Martin's juicy morsel that rumor is
      at least one Liberal is talking about crossing the floor…….

    • well you raise an interesting question…..how coordinated was this……it has that new war room smell to it……I would be amazed if it makes it past tomorrow…..if he leads with it next QP then I think we can officially say he is getting bad advice.

      As well, why would they muddle the message of their leaders speech today? Let alone shoot first calling Olympic atheletes into question. This is ;ike the wheel falling off that horsecart for Paul Martin…..martin is driving that cart hard like there is nothing wrong. Iggy is equally unaware.

      Somewhere Bob Rae is slapping his forehead and saying, "why did I agree to no leadership contest again?"

      The Liberal elders will not let the Party risk being Dionized again. Hebert said it best on At Issue tonight….either Iggy backs off or Layton and Harper will let him have his death wish, her words, when it makes the most sense to them, in 6 months or so. She is a pretty sober observer, and she said if he doesnt come off his current trajectory things are going to get a lot worse…..she is a very good listener.

  36. Just saw the commercial for the new Olympic clothing. Good commercial actually, imho. Really leverages the whole Hudson Bay Company history, pioneering spirit and all that. And the clothes actually look good in the commercial (they show the nice sweater, and you can't see the lame C logo anywhere, plus they only show the clothes themselves for like three seconds at the end of the commercial).

    I sill call "epic fail" based on the pics I've seen, but I kinda want one of those sweaters now.

    One thing that's interesting is how much the iconic HBC blanket pattern (you know, the primary colour thing… does it have a name?) appears in the commercials, given that I think it's largely ignored in the design. Is it just me that thinks using that pattern would be more historic/interesting than what they came up with? I suppose that would have been way too risky, and people would have accused HBC of clothing the athletes in corporate clothing, but that whole pattern really is quite historic and meaningful, and personally, I think I would have liked it.

    • I have an HBC scarf from the 2006 Winter Games. It has the Bay colours plus black & blue, like the Olympic Rings. Clever, that.

    • I have an HBC scarf from the 2006 Winter Games. It has the Bat colours plus black & blue, like the Olympic Rings. Clever, that.

  37. Maybe I'm the only one that cares, but it would be cool if someone at Macleans could make a post about the outfits that's separate from the partisan silliness so we could discuss what we think of the outfit sartorially, and as the uniform of our home team.

    • Funniest comment on this faux scandal goes to the author of this post, Mitchel Raphael:

      And what if the Liberals would have been in power and a similar ”coincidence” happened ? Maybe Canadian Olympic athletes would have been walking around with a big “L” on their foreheads.

  38. I miss roots!!!

  39. Well, the flag was already taken as a partisan logo, so i'd actually give points for creativity!

    • OMG STOP SAYING THAT!!!

      People really need to read all the many, many comments above before posting tripe like that. Again. I'm getting tired of posting the same rebuttals to that idiotic flag line over, and over, and over again! This whole Olympic logo thing is completely idiotic, but do we have to compound the idiocy by bringing up the one parallel bit of hyperbolic inanity that, if this is possible, is even MORE STUPID!?!?!?

  40. Wow, the lib-lefties must have ordered the tin foil hats and are upset that hey didn't get them.

    • they need to re-up the med's ineir kool aid!

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