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Ottawa police to hold talks with Muslim leaders

Police-community committee to discuss arrests of suspected terrorists


 

Prominent members of Ottawa’s Muslim community will meet with members of the Community and Police Action Committee, a team that specializes in defusing police-community tensions, to allay concerns and explain why the RCMP arrested two men suspected of planning a terrorist attack on Canada on Wednesday. COMPAC has critical incident teams trained to defuse any escalating concerns, and regularly brings together police, visible minorities and aboriginals for meetings. Imam Zijad Delic, executive director of the Canadian Islamic Congress, said all national Muslim associations are waiting for more information on the arrests. Delic, who signed the Canadian Council of Imams’ declaration against terrorism, said it is both the social and religious responsibility of anyone who knew about the alleged activities to report such a case.

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Ottawa police to hold talks with Muslim leaders

  1. They should include Toronto Star resident Islamist Haroon Siddiqui to account. This guy is a hot head, who's articles radicalize certain readers while offending many many others.

    • Bigots who smear the adherents of a religion and fascists who want to take away our freedom of expression and to censor the media should be investigated by the police.

  2. To presume that the arrest of a small handful of Muslim suspects on terrorism charges should create "tensions" with thousands of law-abiding Muslim Canadians reveals an incredible prejudice against those thousands of law-abiding Canadians.

    To presume that meeting a small handful of self-described leaders of these thousands of Canadians "oughta keep 'em quiet" reveals yet another incredible prejudice.

    To suggest that this small handful of self-described leaders are even legitimate representatives of these thousands of Canadians reveals yet another incredible prejudice.

    • The second and third are incredible and insulting prejudice.

      Unfortunately, the first is not. It should be, in a sane world, but it's not. When a single cartoonist in Denmark wrote a few cartoons in the local newspaper, this managed to create tensions with millions of non-local and non-Danish Muslims around the world. When Muslim youths being pursued by police for a break-in electrocuted themselves in Paris, this caused mass riots and car burnings by thousands of Muslims for days.

      I'm not saying all Muslims take offence – most do not. But large numbers of Muslims do take offence when any Muslim anywhere faces adverse circumstances that are religiously-related.

      • I am very uncomfortable with where your commentary on my first point is heading. If I understand, you are suggesting that a large number of our fellow Canadians have no place in our Canadian society because their mindset is incompatible with our values of individual freedom and tolerance. And that, therefore, it is not prejudiced to ascribe such a despicable mindset to the entire Muslim community. Of course, you suggest, they will get all uppity when some of their kind got caught, since they are not us.

        That sort of characterization of a community, solely on the basis that they are that community, is prejudiced. And it leads to the prejudices that follow (see above)… and much worse. For it suggests that "they" are less Canadian than "we" are. I hope I am not the only one who cannot stand where such thinking leads.

        • a large number of our fellow Canadians have no place in our Canadian society because their mindset is incompatible with our values of individual freedom and tolerance

          No, I'm not saying that. Where on earth you got that, I don't know.

          Most Muslims don't behave that way. But some Muslims do "get all uppity when some of their kind got caught". It's not because "they are not us". It's because they do. My Muslim friends are not like that. But many Muslims are. Fact.

          It's not prejudice, it's fact. It's been seen many times over in many places, including Canada. There are lots of examples.

          It's not prejudiced, it's fact. It doesn't suggest they are less Canadian. It says what it says. Many Muslims get uppity when other Muslims face adverse conditions caused by their religious activity.

          The thinking "leads" nowhere. Facts are facts. The fact that the sky is blue does not "lead" anywhere.

          • Well, ok, but to suggest that it is only natural for many law-abiding Muslim Canadians, just because they are Muslim and that's what they do, to suddenly become law-breaking Canadian Muslims when the arrest of a handful of Muslim terrorist suspects is the sole provocation…

            …if false, is an insulting prejudice.

            …if true, is a prediction of a potential upcoming civil war, or a provocation for some sort of future internment-camp system.

            Believe me, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, I sure hope you're prejudiced.

          • to suggest that it is only natural for many law-abiding Muslim Canadians

            Frankly, I have no idea if such people are law-abiding or not. If you look at any one of the gazillion instances when large groups of Muslims have become uppity or angry or rioted all over the world, they don't tell you the statistical profiles of those in the mob.

            No, it's not a prediction of civil war. For one thing there's not enough Muslims in Canada. For another thing what is true today is not necessarily true tomorrow. Thirdly, crime and war are not the same thing. Fourthly, attitudes can change. Fifthly, lots of Muslims don't act that way, so it's not necessarily pervasive or inevitable.

            It's simply a fact. I'm not prejudiced, but I'm not ignorant either. Look at Sweden and France. They have Muslim riots annually now. They have huge numbers of people that were sympathetic to the London bombers or the Madrid bombers. They have huge numbers of people that rioted due to the Danish cartoons. It doesn't happen as much in Canada, but there are plenty of such people here too. To think otherwise would be foolish. These types of people, when they see Muslims being arrested, simply conclude that the arrests are not justified, or the jihad is justified, or it's a plot against their fellow Muslims to put them behind bars, or Muslims should be able to do what they want, or whatever, and they side with the Muslims that were arrested, and sometimes they get very angry about it. It's been seen everywhere.

          • It doesn't happen as much in Canada, but there are plenty of such people here too.

            And that is where I hope you are engaging in a sweeping generalization about many of our fellow Canadians.

  3. Prominent members of Ottawa's Muslim community will meet with members of the Community and Police Action Committee, a team that specializes in defusing police-community tensions, to allay concerns and explain why the RCMP arrested two men suspected of planning a terrorist attack on Canada on Wednesday.

    Prominent members of Ottawa's Muslim community will meet with members of the Community and Police Action Committee… to allay concerns and explain why the RCMP arrested two men suspected of planning a terrorist attack on Canada on Wednesday.

    Prominent members of Ottawa's Muslim community will meet… to… explain why the RCMP arrested two men suspected of planning a terrorist attack on Canada on Wednesday.

    • Faulty sentence construction. These prominent members will presumably meet the Committee to hear explanations why there were arrests. Not to explain why there were arrests.

  4. A VERY small number of Muslims have been arrested. Can anyone explain why community group reps are entitled to any more explanation than all Canadians?

    • That's the biggest question of them all.

      If I get arrested, will the police contact a bunch of total strangers who engage in similar activities to explain to them why I was arrested?

      • I think there are 2 factors at play

        The first reason is, that it's the same reason that Obama felt that he had to get himself involved in the Gates-Crowley arrest incident last year. Because there are enough race-baiters (or in this case, religion-baiters) out there who want to use any action taken against their own to play the race card / religion card. That need assurance that they are not being unfairly persecuted merely for "playing with circuit boards while being Muslim".

        The second (and the more I think about it, probably the main) reason is, unfortunately, there is an equal or greater number of people out there who will use incidents like this to backlash against the entire Muslim community.

        • there is an equal or greater number of people out there who will use incidents like this to backlash against the entire Muslim community.

          Have you any evidence of this? If such a backlash exists, I've never seen evidence of it.

          As for the race card, yes, it's true that may happen. But is it the job of the police to be doing public advocacy to prevent the race card? Seems like this goes beyond law enforcement into the realm of politics.

          • Well, to be fair, other than the Toronto 18 incident it's not something we've had to deal much with here as a national issue. There was certainly some after 9/11. If you're in Ottawa listen to Lowell Green's callers. I caught a rebroadcast last night and just as an example many of them are saying that we should stop all immigration from Muslim countries. Now that doesn't mean they're going to grab their torches and pitchforks but I can understand the concern of the average law abiding peace loving Muslim that they will be looked at in a different way after enough of these incidents.

            Seems like this goes beyond law enforcement into the realm of politics.

            Well of course. Just like lobbying for the gun registry. Or keeping the census. At the upper levels, the police are de-facto politicians and lobbyists.

  5. you commit a crime, you get punished, does not matter what your cultural or religious background is, stop complaining

    • the proplem is real: TERRORISTS ARE ALWAYS MUSLIMS ..

      • Yes, the problem is real but remember Oklahoma bombing? It was not done by muslims.

  6. Strong Muslim community support for the terrorist's objectives and ideals lead police to be extra sensitive when arresting terrorists.

    • Strong Muslim community support for the terrorist's objectives and ideals…

      …is a sweeping generality, that will require evidence. Loudmouths making asses of themselves are one thing. A few "homegrown" idiots falling for a lunatic ideology: also, one thing. But come on: Strong Muslim community support? You asked them all?

      • It could be worse, remember the menacing warnings that the McGunity goverrnment issued to its own citizens after the Toronto 18 arrests. It was awful, the state not bothering to hide its contempt for non-ethnic citizens who it assumes are an arrest away from committing genocide at any given moment.

        Whose braniac idea was multiculturalism, anyway? Bring the world to Canada and you bring every single ethnic grudge on the planet to Canada. Nice going guys.

        I for one am beyond disturbed that this is yet another instance of special interest groups – pretty much everyone but straight white males – having a direct line of communication with the police, and who are privileged with having the police explain their actions to them.

        Anecdote time: I was in a car with white guys just the other day when we passed a car that had been pulled over by the cops. The driver, a middle eastern guy was – get this – chewing out the cop, visibly agitated and quite obviously giving the cop a piece of his mind. We didn't need to say anything as we all thought the same thing: this clown can complain to the Obnoxious Muslim Guy Association if the cop comes down on him, we can't, and that is precisely why you see immigrants browbeating cops who would assault white guys who acted that way.

        This is why guys like Potter look ridiculous and about fifty years out of date when they suggest cops are "racist" towards non-white people. Today's cops bend over backwards and then some to ingratiate themselves with special interest groups, as this latest example shows.

      • it might sound generalized. it is not. i have 5 room mates from pakistan and they constantly tell me that most acts of "terrorism" as we call it are just responses to what the west has done or is doing to them. they themselves are not aggressive, but they definitely support any aggression against us. through them i have met lots of other local muslims who agree whole-heartedly with that idea. surprisingly, inspite of this severe difference of opinion, we have shared an apartment for 5 years without mishap.

  7. Imam Zijad Delic, executive director of the Canadian Islamic Congress, said all national Muslim associations are waiting for more information on the arrests.

    Hey there, Zijad, look around you. All Canadians are waiting for more information. Please Sir, do not butt in line.

    • why not!? it is either that or he will go postal on us – human rights tribunal, "you r racist", "we have a right to practice our religion" – these are just a few of the reasons why he thinks he can butt in line. after all, no other group needs explanation when one of them gets arrested.

  8. Now we are getting somewhere. Which is good because I need to be getting to sleep.

    How many feel this way in Canada? Who knows[?] Thank you very much. Let's hold onto that thought for a moment, shall we?

    But they exist. They do, eh? One? Well, no, you said "they" so let's make it Two? Twenty? Twenty thousand? What was that thought we were holding onto?

    Cont'd…

  9. …cont'd.

    And it's been shown in some countries (eg Sweden and France) that there are plenty of people willing to break the law as a show of support of their religious brethren. And the Canadian experience with Muslim Canadians willing to break the law in support of their religious brethren gone wacko for jihad? Hold on, let me run to the window for a sec… OK, I am back. Phew! No burning cars in Canada tonight. Or last night. Or the night before. In fact, the total number of torched automobiles and smashed windows and bloodied noses at the hands of uppity Canadian Muslims, for all of Canadian history, provides us a grand total that cannot come close to matching a single infidel Montreal Stanley Cup playoff riot.

    Cont'd…

  10. …cont'd.

    Rather than ominously warn it can happen here because they are like the them over there, particularly in the absence of any such evidence, maybe we can celebrate that there is not here, and the collection of our fellow Canadians currently under discussion are not like the "them" over there. So far, the handfuls of creeps seem to be getting picked off, and the Canadian "Muslim community" seems to be handling the alleged affront very well.

    Last word to you, if you stayed up this late. I leave you to man the sentry at the window for the count of burning Renaults Dodge Caravans. I'm off to bed. Good night.

    • Well, you're right, clearly it's not the same here as in places like France. We don't have riots or car burnings in the thousands like they do. We do have terrorist plots but not as many and so far they've been busted before the attacks happened. So yes, this is better. But it's not perfect either.

      But there is also no need to man the sentries, and there is no need to antagonize individual Muslims either. All I'm saying is that I can see why the cops have concluded "the arrest of a small handful of Muslim suspects on terrorism charges should create "tensions"". To me it's not an unreasonable assumption.

  11. what is wrong with people who want to keep blaming Muslims? Do we forget so easily that 2 Muslim agents busted up the Toronto group? Will the Muslim community ever be able to condemn terrorism enough? how many Catholics do we hear being told to refudiate child molestation which is much much worse than wannabe jihadi's getting caught. This is not America – this is CANADA in case you forgot.

    • The silence of «moderate» muslims IS THE REAL PROBLEM…………

      • NO IT ISN'T.

        Law-abiding Muslim Canadians contribute to Canada by being thankful for living here, by working, by paying taxes, by sending their kids to school, by volunteering at the library, by cheering on their kids at the soccer field and hockey rink, by voting, by reporting criminal activity. They can denounce terrorists quietly, loudly, or by helping authorities as undercover agents. Or they can keep quiet.

        Law-abiding Muslim Canadians have the same right to privacy and to keep their head down as any other Canadian.

        If you equate the silence of a law-abiding Muslim Canadian with complicit support of terrorist jihad, then both you and the law-abiding Muslim Canadian now have a problem, but only one of you two is at fault. Hint: it is not the law-abiding Muslim Canadian at fault.

    • just 2 muslim agents!! why are the rest of the muslims not doing anything to help them? only 2 people were arrested. the rest are preparing another team. just sitting in a room and saying,"muslims are peaceful." does not mean anything. get off your collective "moderate" asses and help us STOP the terrorists and them we can talk about "peaceful".

  12. I guess the question is ; are the "law abiding muslims" willing to follow Canadian Law or do they prefer the medieval shariah law?
    There can never be accommodation in Canada for those espousing religious law over western values.

    • i can safely say shariah all the way. the only reason they follow western law is we have not let then get their own way so far. but give it time. the human rights tribunals are not far away; just a matter of time.

      • I'm afraid you're right, our so called cultural elites seem all too eager to debase western values to prove how tolerant they are.__look at the nonsense they let the tamil tigers pull off .

        • am looking. and am not liking what am seeing. the comprehension of our politicians/powers-that-be is inversely proportional to the severity of the problem. :-/

    • Being canadian means to respect my right of freedom of religion, western values does not mean christian and jewsih values bur rather mean a state where freedon of expression and freedom of believing no matter what as long as you abide the canadian laws which ARE NOT based on reliogion. so ntt chill out dude. we are proud CANADIAN then muslim citizens and we will ALWAYS defend the set of values and principles this country was built on. and for the record, have a look at what sharia means then u can comment

      • We have seen what Sharia means. No thanks. The uncivilized world can keep Sharia all to itself.

      • western values does not mean christian and jewsih values bur rather mean a state where freedon of expression and freedom of believing no matter what as long as you abide the canadian laws which ARE NOT based on reliogion.

        Do you even comprehend how Canada has gotten to be one of the best places for upholding an individuals right to these freedoms?

        You do know right?
        Here's a clue for you:
        We are a country founded on the Judeo/Christians value and belief systems of law and justice.

        THAT'S how and why this ample protection by law, of an individual's rights is upheld and maintained … so these laws and freedoms that you just touted as being solid and positive here came about BECAUSE of this kind of westernized values! Environments which in Canada/USA were/are based on the JUDEO/CHRISTIANITY values, laws and justice system!
        ( NB. now it has gone over board at this point however I digress )

        Do you see my point? Don't think you have an understanding enough about westernized values, to tell others what their values are based on when your historical perspective is incorrect.
        An Islamic sharia environment has never allowed this to happen because you have to have a socially open, democratic, homogeneous society to uphold an individuals right to certain freedoms and protections and Sharia is just not compatible with that whatsoever.
        Tell me honestly, how would/could a sharia system/environment allow that to happen?
        Given how long sharia has been in practice, why hasn't it already?
        What's the individuals right to leave islam under sharia 'law', in an Islamic(sharia) ruled country or state?

        • A_READER, your understanding of western values are deeply wrong, Europeevolved as powerful industrian nation when it abandoned religion which in this case is christinaty. Catholic church fought Galilio because he said the the earth is revolving around the sun and you know that the church was very powerful at that time so please don't tell me that westernized values are based on jewish and christian religion as those religions did not tolerate freedom of expression and other virtues.

          • it was the separation between religion and state that made europe advanced. it is called western values because this happen at the west and do not mean that the western religion is what made those countries have excellant values. are you talking about values based on a religion that supported Inquisition tribunals ? crusaids ? fighting jews ? Sharia which u dont like gave a very clear example of joint living between jewish, christians and jews back at andalocia when europe was in the dark ages. different people give different meaning of Sharia even among muslims themselves, so why do you choose the extreemist when you have a tolerant explanation of sharia with other muslims ? tell me does gay rights law in canada is based on christianity ? thats hypocrite of you to decide that canadian values are based on christianty when you know for sure that this is not the case. suport your reply with evidences not just blah blah blah

      • not just christian and jewish, but also hindu, sikh, buddhist and all other religions that strive to coexist with each other without overshadowing or undermining each other. we are all CANADIAN under one flag and free in our hearts and minds. we respect each other.
        muslims think of us a INFIDELS, unworthy of their presence and "superior knowledge". they will always defend their own set of values and principles first and ignore everyone else. check out the news. whenever there is a little issue half you nuts get yellow jackets in your collective colons and the rest chant, "we are peaceful." like that means anything.
        i know what sharia means. you people think you can obfuscate the truth with your nice words and disguised lies. won't work. we see your reality.

        • Agree Eddie;
          and but of course I meant to have included them all, please excuse my clumsy unintended exclusions.

          • it was understood. i just thought i would make the statement for the benefit of those who might not understand. i meant no offence.

  13. Western values ARE based on Judeo-Christian belief systems you should have realized this before you immigrated here., our laws have slowly evolved over 2000, or so, years of parliamentary debate.. Shariah has no such evolution ,it is still stuck at 1400 ,ad along with the jihadi mindset. there is no place for shariah in Canada.

    I am well aware of what shariah stands for, It is backward and brutal
    .
    If you wish to defend Canadian Values as you claim, then you would have to disavow the heart of Islam and the penalty for that under shariah, is death. .

    • "then you would have to disavow the heart of Islam"
      i wuold rephrase that statement a little if i was you. you see, "have to" sounds like their way of doing things, no choice. i would say "choose to" because i respect the value of the individual choice. also choosing means understanding the choice and thus accepting it for the its benefits to one's self and surroundings. i would rather they choose than were told to accept.
      cheers!

  14. Canadians are well versed in thinking about ALL others first – really we are; so it behoves me when some only think only from their perspective;

    Like I'm "a Muslim-Canadian" or "Hindu, Buddhists or whatever-Canadian".

    To self identify like this is wrong to me.
    My citizenship and religious belief are not one and the same.

    Your are either a Canadian citizen (even in process) or not, your religious beliefs are none of my concern unless you intend to upset my westernized values to the point of changing our laws to a less favourable situation for ALL Canadians.
    That's where I guess, my level of 'tolerance' would drop off altogether.

    • well said!

  15. sik of these imbeciles hiding behind culture and garb thinking they are better then others …sadly some are great people yet others are pushy arrogant angry and drink a lot which suggests they need to fix lifestyles (like joining AA or NA) or sample some mountain air and get sober! stop playing this ridiculous religion game…many see through you!