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Paris woman fined for wearing Islamic niqab

Two others arrested after new law instated Monday


 

A 27-year-old woman in Paris has been fined 150 euros ($208CAD) for allegedly wearing an Islamic niqab veil in public. The veil, which covers the entire face except the eyes, is included in France’s new ban on the wearing of full-face coverings. On Monday, two women wearing face veils were arrested just hours after the ban came into effect. A spokesman for the police said the law will be enforced “whether you are a French citizen or a Saudi princess on the Champs-Elysées.” Questions have arisen over the enforcement of the ban, as police have no power to use force to remove head coverings. Says Emmanuel Roux of the police union SCPN, “The law will be infinitely difficult to apply, and it will be infinitely rarely applied, unfortunately.” But interior minister Claude Guéant insisted that the ban will be enforced, in the name of “secularism and equality between men and women… two principles upon which we cannot compromise.” The government has estimated that roughly 2,000 Muslim women in France wear the full-face veils.

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Paris woman fined for wearing Islamic niqab

  1. Good for France..having stood beside a women covered in a black sack gave me the creeps. It's so medieval to see a women dressed in such manner. I also felt sorry for the women as she walked behind her owner/master/husband like a dog.

  2. But its ok to eploit women and see them half naked and almost having sex in public! nice going1 so much for democracy and freedom of expression!

  3. How do you know that the person under the niqab is actually a woman

  4. But its ok to eploit women and see them half naked and almost having sex in public! nice going1 so much for democracy and freedom of expression!

    • I guess I was wrong.

  5. How do you know that the person under the niqab is actually a woman

  6. Just so that the audience understand…Islam does NOT require you to wear Burqa or Niqab.simple covering of hair will suffice.

  7. Just so that the audience understand…Islam does NOT require you to wear Burqa or Niqab.simple covering of hair will suffice.

    • 1) we don't care…

    • Don't tell me, tell that to those who wear it and make others wear it.

    • Apparently a select few of it's followers are not aware of that or choose to ignore the availability of the choice.

  8. It starts . . .

  9. The Islamic niqab is one thing but the real medieval BS is the fact that they still stone people like in the bible.
    Not only that but man get buried to the waist and woman to the neck. If you are able to get free its the will of GOD(Allah).
    but no woman can get free of course. Even more scary Iran wants to bring about the end time so there messiah (The Mahdi) will come and bring about a new golden age for Islam. Yes let them have nukes the backwards people stuck in a book that has truth I'm sure but "IS NOT GOD IS SIMPLY A BOOK" with tainted meaning by people over time. Please remember it is a small line between having then stop using the niqab, and rounding them up for reeducation. Lets not become what we hate. We must stop them but how? You can not change there minds easily they were breed to believe it, And there holy book tells them not to listen to outsiders of Islam as they are evil. I do not envy the people who have to deal with this.

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the rich,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't rich.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

  10. The Islamic niqab is one thing but the real medieval BS is the fact that they still stone people like in the bible.
    Not only that but man get buried to the waist and woman to the neck. If you are able to get free its the will of GOD(Allah).
    but no woman can get free of course. Even more scary Iran wants to bring about the end time so there messiah (The Mahdi) will come and bring about a new golden age for Islam. Yes let them have nukes the backwards people stuck in a book that has truth I'm sure but "IS NOT GOD IS SIMPLY A BOOK" with tainted meaning by people over time. Please remember it is a small line between having then stop using the niqab, and rounding them up for reeducation. Lets not become what we hate. We must stop them but how? You can not change there minds easily they were breed to believe it, And there holy book tells them not to listen to outsiders of Islam as they are evil. I do not envy the people who have to deal with this.

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the rich,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't rich.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

  11. Finally… FINALLY France is doing something to address the terrible upheaval caused by this 0.003% of the population.

    I'm also confident that this will do wonders for the freedom and equality of niqab-wearing women, who will no doubt now walk the streets with faces uncovered, as opposed to, say, staying inside for the rest of their lives for fear of being arrested for wearing the niqab in public.

  12. Well, this would solve all your problems then! You wouldn't need to feel creeped out anymore, and the woman in question gets to spend the rest of her life at home with her "owner/master/husband" because if she goes outside in a niqab she'll be arrested.

    It's a panacea!

  13. Well, this would solve all your problems then! You wouldn't need to feel creeped out anymore, and the woman in question gets to spend the rest of her life at home with her "owner/master/husband" because if she goes outside in a niqab she'll be arrested.

    It's a panacea!

    • I would rather protect my body wearing like muslimah rather than being sexually empowered like everybody does!

      If you say that women creeped you out (which I believe they are not disturbing you anyway), you actually adding on more problems to the world because you are disturbing them by supporting this! And you are not being fair!! You're being selfish!

      • Talking about fairness, isn't it fair that I know I am not standing next to a man strapped with bombs under the dress? The issue is religious, of course, but there are public safety concerns to be addressed too. We are used to being out in the open and making our intentions clear. Facial coverings, especially where not needed, raise suspicions and cause discomfort in our society. Being polite or politically correct does not alleviate those suspicions. If our laws are not "fair" to them, they should go somewhere that will make them feel batter.

  14. Finally… FINALLY France is doing something to address the terrible upheaval caused by this 0.003% of the population.

    I'm also confident that this will do wonders for the freedom and equality of niqab-wearing women, who will no doubt now walk the streets with faces uncovered, as opposed to, say, staying inside for the rest of their lives for fear of being arrested for wearing the niqab in public.

  15. I would rather protect my body wearing like muslimah rather than being sexually empowered like everybody does!

    If you say that women creeped you out (which I believe they are not disturbing you anyway), you actually adding on more problems to the world because you are disturbing them by supporting this! And you are not being fair!! You're being selfish!

  16. 1) we don't care…

  17. I would like to know for whom this law is a victory. What if the woman that "Elizabeth Maybenot" stood next to actually likes wearing her niqab in public. What right does the government of France have to tell her that she cannot wear it? Are they not being just as oppressive as the forces that they say they are fighting…those that would make a woman wear a niqab? What happened to honoring a woman's right to chose?

  18. I would like to know for whom this law is a victory. What if the woman that "Elizabeth Maybenot" stood next to actually likes wearing her niqab in public. What right does the government of France have to tell her that she cannot wear it? Are they not being just as oppressive as the forces that they say they are fighting…those that would make a woman wear a niqab? What happened to honoring a woman's right to chose?

    • The government has every right to enforce/protect the values of it's country.

      • Just as I thought…you don't seek to protect the rights of the so-called oppressed women who are wearing the niqab. Rather, you want to slap yourself on the back because your intolerance for the beliefs and traditions of others is being championed. Well citizen_CA, I suggest you and your ilk might want to move to France because another online article here on this very website just announced that Canada is a very tolerant country. It is very unlikely that any laws of this kind will come to this country.

        • I can safely say we are very tolerant in Canada. That is why things have not gone as far over here. Having said that, being required to tolerant someone who is not willing to tolerant us and our Laws is pushing paradoxic boundaries a wee bit too much. We are being more tolerant than warranted.

  19. It's a sad day when women in France need the protection of a paternalistic government from men who want to drape them in table cloths. We're assuming a lot when we think that adult women are being forced to wear the niqab by a man in all cases when we really don't know. Now, I can see fining people who force adult women to wear the niqab, but parents generally have the right to make their children wear they clothes that THEY want them to wear rather than what their children want to wear. What France has done is criminalize the actions of people who for the most part have been law-abiding citizens. If this law is constutional, then Muslims in France have no constitutional rights.

  20. It's a sad day when women in France need the protection of a paternalistic government from men who want to drape them in table cloths. We're assuming a lot when we think that adult women are being forced to wear the niqab by a man in all cases when we really don't know. Now, I can see fining people who force adult women to wear the niqab, but parents generally have the right to make their children wear they clothes that THEY want them to wear rather than what their children want to wear. What France has done is criminalize the actions of people who for the most part have been law-abiding citizens. If this law is constutional, then Muslims in France have no constitutional rights.

    • We're assuming a lot when we think that adult women are being forced to wear the niqab by a man in all cases when we really don't know.

      Actually, I think I know. I've met at least one niqab-wearing young university student and her mother in the past and that student's mother DOESN'T wear the niqab. It's actually not at all uncommon to see young Muslims who are more "conservative" than their parents. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that none of the women who wear the niqab are being forced to, but I'm quite sure that many (if not most) are not, as evidenced by the fact that some Muslim men's daughters wear the niqab while their wives and/or mothers do not.

  21. I think we need to stop asking if we need to stop this or allow it and focus on why this is a problem in the 1st place?
    Sure i can understand not allowing this in some places like schools. A teacher needs to see a face or people would get mixed up. what is the problem? If your getting the creeps then point and say "Look at the strange person." make them feel like you see them. I may wanna put on a kangaroo suet and hop to the store and buy food, you know why i don't? because people would point and say look at that weirdo who was raised to be some messed up way that does not work in the real world. The junk on there head is it's own punishment!
    Here is the real possible reason for this. The government now has advanced facile recognition software tied into all the cameras everywhere (fill in the blank)

  22. I think we need to stop asking if we need to stop this or allow it and focus on why this is a problem in the 1st place?
    Sure i can understand not allowing this in some places like schools. A teacher needs to see a face or people would get mixed up. what is the problem? If your getting the creeps then point and say "Look at the strange person." make them feel like you see them. I may wanna put on a kangaroo suet and hop to the store and buy food, you know why i don't? because people would point and say look at that weirdo who was raised to be some messed up way that does not work in the real world. The junk on there head is it's own punishment!
    Here is the real possible reason for this. The government now has advanced facile recognition software tied into all the cameras everywhere (fill in the blank)

  23. She broke the Law. The fine is not big enough to stop lawbreakers obviously.If I broke that or any other Law of the Country I chose to live in, I’d be punished in one way or another.

  24. She broke the Law. The fine is not big enough to stop lawbreakers obviously.If I broke that or any other Law of the Country I chose to live in, I’d be punished in one way or another.

  25. She should be deported along with whoever put her up to it. She did not merely break the law, she is openly and agressively declaring war on the values of France in this case, and hoping to replace them with the values of her "culture". There can be and should be no tolerance of this.

    • Here, here Emily!

  26. The women knew what they were doing, basically 'daring' the police to fine them.__"On Monday, two women wearing face veils were arrested just hours after the ban came into effect.__There are at least two thoughts here – one, that the government in France is enforcing " “secularism and equality between men and women…", two, I believe it is also an anti-terrorism/security issue. I'm not saying that a particular group is responsible for terrorism, but that the clothing could easily conceal the identity of a suicide bomber, and the wrong nationality could be blamed as a result.

  27. The women knew what they were doing, basically 'daring' the police to fine them.__"On Monday, two women wearing face veils were arrested just hours after the ban came into effect.__There are at least two thoughts here – one, that the government in France is enforcing " “secularism and equality between men and women…", two, I believe it is also an anti-terrorism/security issue. I'm not saying that a particular group is responsible for terrorism, but that the clothing could easily conceal the identity of a suicide bomber, and the wrong nationality could be blamed as a result.

  28. Don't tell me, tell that to those who wear it and make others wear it.

  29. The government has every right to enforce/protect the values of it's country.

  30. These fines are inhuman! Sarkozy is a monster! If the situation was reversed and this poor woman was defying Islamic law in an Islamic country, she would merely be stoned to death.

  31. In Toronto I see young girls heading home from school wearing this oppressive garb. Where are the school authorities? Where is the children's aid society? This is child abuse. How will they ever integrate or make friends other than with those within their own community.
    This does not reflect basic Canadian values.

  32. In Toronto I see young girls heading home from school wearing this oppressive garb. Where are the school authorities? Where is the children's aid society? This is child abuse. How will they ever integrate or make friends other than with those within their own community.
    This does not reflect basic Canadian values.

  33. Just as I thought…you don't seek to protect the rights of the so-called oppressed women who are wearing the niqab. Rather, you want to slap yourself on the back because your intolerance for the beliefs and traditions of others is being championed. Well citizen_CA, I suggest you and your ilk might want to move to France because another online article here on this very website just announced that Canada is a very tolerant country. It is very unlikely that any laws of this kind will come to this country.

  34. Here, here Emily!

  35. Maybe that is why she left there with the mistaken belief that she was going to a country where she would be free to express her religion and beliefs by wearing the traditional dress she has draped her body in her entire life. Imagine her surprise to learn that this freedom was all an illusion.

  36. Maybe that is why she left there with the mistaken belief that she was going to a country where she would be free to express her religion and beliefs by wearing the traditional dress she has draped her body in her entire life. Imagine her surprise to learn that this freedom was all an illusion.

  37. Gee redbird, why aren't you hanging outside of the Hutterite colonies? Have you seen the way that those little girls are forced to dress? They don't even have the opportunity to meet children outside of their own colony.

  38. France finally started cleaning its own sandbox from a garbage. We are waiting here in Canada for the same law.

  39. France finally started cleaning its own sandbox from a garbage. We are waiting here in Canada for the same law.

  40. We're assuming a lot when we think that adult women are being forced to wear the niqab by a man in all cases when we really don't know.

    Actually, I think I know. I've met at least one niqab-wearing young university student and her mother in the past and that student's mother DOESN'T wear the niqab. It's actually not at all uncommon to see young Muslims who are more "conservative" than their parents. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that none of the women who wear the niqab are being forced to, but I'm quite sure that many (if not most) are not, as evidenced by the fact that some Muslim men's daughters wear the niqab while their wives and/or mothers do not.

  41. I am so disgusted by the comments here. If it is okay for a woman to dress provocatively and be half-naked in public, then why is it NOT okay for a women to cover herself up to whatever degree SHE FINDS COMFORTABLE?

    Do we only support the sexualization of women in society nowadays? I pity France, and all those of you who support a law that literally strips a woman of her individual rights.

  42. I am so disgusted by the comments here. If it is okay for a woman to dress provocatively and be half-naked in public, then why is it NOT okay for a women to cover herself up to whatever degree SHE FINDS COMFORTABLE?

    Do we only support the sexualization of women in society nowadays? I pity France, and all those of you who support a law that literally strips a woman of her individual rights.

  43. is that the only problem that france got?why they talk about it like its a crime?its only a coverd women,did they harm any1 what the crime they did?can some one explain why they crminals?

  44. is that the only problem that france got?why they talk about it like its a crime?its only a coverd women,did they harm any1 what the crime they did?can some one explain why they crminals?

  45. Talking about fairness, isn't it fair that I know I am not standing next to a man strapped with bombs under the dress? The issue is religious, of course, but there are public safety concerns to be addressed too. We are used to being out in the open and making our intentions clear. Facial coverings, especially where not needed, raise suspicions and cause discomfort in our society. Being polite or politically correct does not alleviate those suspicions. If our laws are not "fair" to them, they should go somewhere that will make them feel batter.

  46. I guess I was wrong.

  47. Apparently a select few of it's followers are not aware of that or choose to ignore the availability of the choice.

  48. I can safely say we are very tolerant in Canada. That is why things have not gone as far over here. Having said that, being required to tolerant someone who is not willing to tolerant us and our Laws is pushing paradoxic boundaries a wee bit too much. We are being more tolerant than warranted.

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