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Up in arms: seizure by Mounties of flood evacuees’ guns generates debate

Residents of High River angered by seizure


 

HIGH RIVER, Alta. – The RCMP’s seizure of guns from the homes of some Alberta flood evacuees had people in many camps up in arms Friday with the Prime Minister’s Office demanding the weapons be returned as soon as possible and sports shooters calling the move an “act of aggression.”

The Mounties confirmed they had taken guns from homes as officers searched homes in High River’s flood zone to look for flood victims, pets and anything that might pose a threat to returning residents.

An RCMP official said any guns removed from homes were not properly stored.

In a statement released Friday, the force said officers found that some gun owners had laid out their weapons in plain view as they presumably moved valuable possessions to higher ground.

The weapons were tagged for return to their owners.

“The last thing any gun owner wants is to have their guns fall into the wrong hands. Residents of High River can be assured that firearms now in possession of the RCMP are in safe hands, and will be returned to them as soon as is practically possible,” said assistant commissioner Marianne Ryan.

That angered High River residents, who have been anxious to return to their homes to assess flood damage. An evacuation order for the town of about 13,000 residents was in its ninth day Friday, although it was announced some homeowners were being allowed to return Saturday.

The seizure generated opinions on all sides, including from the highest political office in the land.

“We expect that any firearms taken will be returned to their owners as soon as possible,” said Stephen Harper’s press secretary Carl Vallee.

“We believe the RCMP should focus on more important tasks such as protecting lives and private property.”

In a statement, Tony Bernardo, executive director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, called it an “act of aggression.”

“This … is further proof that the RCMP have a not-so-hidden agenda to take guns away from responsible gun owners,” said Bernardo, who also sits on the federal public safety minister’s firearms advisory committee.

Alberta Premier Alison Redford said she was disappointed to face questions about the gun situation. She suggested there were more important issues to deal with coming out of the flood disaster.

“Let’s just make it very clear, the provincial government did not take away anyone’s guns,” Redford said. “The RCMP went in and secured a community that had been evacuated. And as part of that work, as I understand it, they went into houses where there were firearms that weren’t properly secured and, as opposed to leaving them sitting on fireplace mantles in a town that was evacuated, they secured those guns.

“There is no suggestion that people will not be able to have their guns back again, and I really hope we can focus on more important matters at hand, such as getting 12,000 people back into High River.”

Linda Duncan of Edmonton, the federal NDP’s sole Alberta MP, blasted the Prime Minister’s Office for telling the RCMP what to do.

“We should not be directing the RCMP what to do about enforcing the law. I just think it’s a completely inappropriate thing to have gotten involved in,” she said in an interview.

Duncan noted that the Mounties in this instance are answerable to the provincial attorney general.

“The RCMP are put in a very difficult position right now. They have been directed to try to maintain safety and calm down the community and protect their belongings and keep people from getting riled up. The last thing they need is politicians throwing in their two cents about what they should or shouldn’t be doing.”

Duncan said the priority should be on getting people back into their homes, not inflaming emotions over a non-issue.

“All it’s done is cause more commotion and get people upset about something when what we need to be doing is making sure their homes are secure and, if they’re not, finding accommodation.”

Asked about the statement from the Prime Minister’s Office, Redford wouldn’t get into it.

“The prime minister was in Calgary last Friday flying over High River with me and I think he saw the devastation and the impact in the community,” she said. “I’m certain there are people in the Prime Minister’s Office that have an opinion about this.

“I’m not going to comment any further.”

— With files from Terry Pedwell and Joan Bryden in Ottawa.


 

Up in arms: seizure by Mounties of flood evacuees’ guns generates debate

  1. but they (RCMP) are protecting lives…..

    • really, by going into houses and stealing? how is that protecting lives?

  2. One law for “responsible” conservative gun owners, another law for criminals. So now we know how some criminals are getting a hold of weapons. Stealing them from “responsible” gun owners who fail to follow storage laws. Thanks PMO, Harper and Conservatives for pandering to gun owners and putting Canadians safety at risk!

    • !d!ot

    • Well, we always knew it happened, but the CPC noise machine drowned it out.

      Know what would be really useful in a situation like this? A list of all the guns everyone owns. Maybe in, I dunno, a REGISTRY format?

      • one wonders did the RCMP go into the houses where guns were registered and confiscate(steal) them and just what were they protecting, definitely not the rights of the home owners?

    • Apparently these victims of a terrible flood did follow storage laws but when the flooding was upon them they took their expensive belongings, including their stored firearms and moved them to higher ground in their homes. They then locked their homes and left them secured and evacuated. There was a very high police and military presence from day one in their community which was waist high in water. Police were not letting anyone into the community and so looting was NOT an issue. Police broke into their homes and found the guns unlocked because the storage containers were located in the flooded of the homes. Police then seized the guns. There are no different laws for “responsible conservative gun owners”. There is just the actions of people who are facing the loss of all of their belongs and trying to salvage whatever they can. Now it is more than one week later and they are frustrated because their homes continue to sit immersed in dirty water with mold growing in the walls and structure. They worry that nothing will be salvageable. They have been told they can not enter but that the RCMP have entered and seized some of their belongings. They are frustrated and worried about their futures. I think you can understand how that would feel. High River looks like New Orleans did.

      • The police did not break into their homes. They were tasked with removing people who hadn’t evacuated or those who were unable to evacuate or removing dead bodies. The houses were also examined by engineers to determine to the amount of damage and tag them. You are just adding to the paranoia, and again as a supposed health care professional I find this irresponsible.

        • Jan, you are a complete a**. I was in an evacuated neighborhood in Calgary. The police in Calgary HAVE NOT gone into anyone’s house in Calgary even though neighborhoods have remained evacuated and some people have not evacuated. We also have had engineers and city electrical crews examine our homes before allowing people back in. If a house is locked and a police office, breaks down the door, it is “breaking in”.
          My advising of this, whether I am a healthcare worker or not, is not irresponsible in any way.
          We have had I woman found dead in an apartment in Calgary. She did not evacuate. Her family reported her missing to police and they went to her apartment and yes, they entered it upon the request of her family.
          Other people in Calgary have registered with their community associations, etc. because in a city of 1.2 million people when 75,000 homes were evacuated, it is pretty much impossible for the police to go door to door and enter every home especially when most of them are locked.
          The fact that the RCMP in High River chose to do so, doesn’t make it a good decision. They could have asked people to register at the community hall in Okotoks, which is a town within 10 minutes of High River and they could have had people call to the Okotoks RCMP to report any missing people from High River,, therefore taking away the necessity of going door to door when people where not home and houses were locked. In Calgary, the officials would not enter your home unless you were with them. They had NO interest in seizing any of your property, but rather in ascertaining if there was any flooding and/or if the structure was safe.
          You can continue to question my professional ethics all you want, but my cautioning people to wait to hear the whole story before being judgmental of the people of High River is hardly unethical of me. I took my pets and so did all my neighbors. I reported the whereabouts of any neighbors who wouldn’t leave to the police who were in the neighborhood. You are just trying to score political points off of a tragedy.

          • I know as usual, you are the model citizen – I know because you keep telling us. You are the one making assumptions about what is going on in High River. All any of us know is what’s been on the news, which is not the whole story. Before you slam the emergency response, don’t you think waiting until we actually know some facts before criticizing the first responders might be a good idea? Why would you think what happens in the City of Calgary would be the same as what happens in a small town like High River? I may be an ass, but you are an ill informed know-it-all.

          • I never claimed to be a model citizen but given the number of times you have questioned my professional ethics is it any wonder that I am continually defending myself?
            All I asked was that YOU guys who are commenting on here let the story play out before YOU make rush decisions about the people of High River and their response to the police going into their homes and seizing guns. I find it hilarious that you would think that a small town like High River would be more difficult to manage than a big city like Calgary in terms of policing and doing emergency response during a flood. My point is that the RCMP probably should taken a page out of Mayor Nenshi’s operating manual on how not to piss off the citizens during an evacuation. I am not a “know it all”. Rather, I am offering an alternative that would have saved a whole lot of misunderstanding between the police and citizens.

          • I am having trouble following your ‘point’ – it seems to keep changing. You do seem blessed with Nenshi although he took a lot of flak from some right wingers yesterday for criticizing the railroad.

          • You, on the other hand, seem to have little trouble judging the police response… You wanna take your own advice and reserve judgment?

        • they were tasked with helping those not evacuated and looking for bodies, NOT taking weapons left above the high water line

    • The inner city gangs and those residents on the US Canadian border who facilitate gun and drug smuggling transactions are where we need enforcement

      (politically incorrect for lefties)

      The RCMP would sooner write you a ticket $275 ticket for some minor traffic infraction. (safe and easy money) than concentrate on the inner city gangs and their hangers on; taking away their assault rifles and illegal handguns.

      Most illegal guns in Canad are smuggled in through where?

      I know; politically incorrect to mention it let alone police them.

      Guns in the hands of law abiding (no criminal record) citizens are not an issue.

      Key words “No Criminal Record” = right to own guns

      For the lefties this is NOT politically correct.

  3. Guns ARE property.

    And after any disaster….looting occurs….and there are all those guns sitting around and visible.

    Harper…clam up.

    • Another !d!ot

      • And you can clam up too.

        • what is it with you? are you 12 that you think you are the only one with a right to an opinion?

    • High River, Alberta – population 13,000. Looters? What looters? This isn’t some city with a crime element. It’s a rural town cut off by flood waters.

      • Like Meyerthorpe?

        • You mean Mayerthorpe, Alberta where one man who was trying to protect his grow-op killed four RCMP officers?

          • Yeah, imagine the criminal element existing in a small town eh?

          • Hey I grew up in a small town. The criminal element exists but the RCMP knows exactly who it is and then tend to let them get away with so much more crap than police do in a city. That is until something really bad happens. That guy in Mayerthorpe caused problems for years before he stalked and killed those mounties.

          • I think you’re helping my argument. lol

          • High River is not a typical small town. It is more like Richmond (near Vancouver). High River is full of Calgarians who live in a small community and drive into the city to work. Mayerthorpe is too far from Edmonton to commute. It has a population of 1,300 and is a typical small town, located near a larger town called Whitecourt.

          • An easy drive from Calgary (normally) means easy pickings for criminals from Calgary if they know the town lies empty. Maybe that partially explains the high police presence?

          • No, the high police presence existed in all evacuated communities. I live next door to a flood damaged community and there are still police and military everywhere, including frequent police helicopters flying overhead. It is hard to picture but once the water is pumped out, there is mud everywhere. The streets are mired in mud and garbage. The police have barricades and are checking the ID of people with vehicles. You cannot drive into streets. You have to go in on foot or on a bike. There won’t be any looting. It is physically impossible at this point.

          • An urban neighborhood is considerably different from a rural one.

          • Have you been to the town of High River? It is full of beautiful large homes and is very picturesque. There are a lot of Calgarians living there who commute to Calgary to work. It also has retired farmers, etc. I have lived in rural Alberta. This isn’t really rural. Calling High River rural is like calling St. Albert or Sherwood Park rural. Doesn’t really fit.

      • You have crime in High River….and likely to have more with such easy pickin’s

        Will you guys stop being stoopid

    • I will not make a comment on whether or not the RCMP were wise to take the guns as I am not present in the town to make a completely educated comment on what occurred. However, the Calgary Herald reported that the RCMP broke into some of the homes to get the guns so whether they were stored properly or not is up for debate and it will be examined closely. What is known in terms of risk of looting is that there has been a very high police and military presence in all flood areas. In High River, the police actually laid down spike belts to stop anyone from entering the only accessible roads. When some men who were not looters but residents tried to get into the town, they were caught in the spike belt and apprehended. They haven’t decided if charges will be laid.

      • Yes, it’s an emergency and a disaster….what did you think would happen?

        • Well, Emily I think I would have some compassion and understanding for people who have lost everything and whose homes are likely going to have to be bulldozed because they have been submerged in muddy water for over a week while these people have been told to remain patient and haven’t been allowed to even go and assess their property. They have suffered a lot of disappointment and I think when the town was pretty under marshall order, waist deep in water with only one road in, the threat of looting was pretty much nil. Now, looters did come to my neighborhood when it was evacuated but only to the places that weren’t flooded….they didn’t want their vehicles to stall. The police took them down in my back alley. We also had a huge military presence all over our neighborhood.

          • Compassion don’t feed the bulldog. It’s a disaster and an emergency and the officials are taking all the right steps.

            People can’t leave guns lying about the house. Period

          • Really? Hmm..funny, the City of Calgary police aren’t breaking into anybody’s house in the still evacuated neighborhoods. It is a non-issue. We have police here from Edmonton and of course we still have the military presence. I find it fascinating how you are in southern Ontario and you seem to know so much about what is happening here…more it would seem than the actual residents of High River that are on site.

          • It’s all over the news HI….

            People in High River didn’t all evac….some because they wouldn’t, some because they couldn’t. It’s the job of the police to ensure everyone was safe and out.

            And why all this suspicion of your police, I don’t know. Why is everyone in Alberta so paranoid??

          • Robert Dziekanski ring a bell?
            As for it being “all over the news” in southern Ontario, I have to tell you that in Calgary, we are getting a little bit of a different slant on the story than you are and the police aren’t looking quite as rosy. I am not paranoid. I am just saying that there is going to be an inquiry into the incident and people should wait for the whole story before they jump to conclusions instead of making judgments from 2000 miles away.
            I know that everyone in High River didn’t evacuate. I know three people from there died. I am also very familiar with the town. It is full of beautiful homes and despite what some people might think, it is isn’t populated with “country bumpkins” but rather wealthy Calgarians who have built their dream homes there.
            Unlike other floods in other areas, these floods in southern Alberta have affected rich people because that is who could afford the expensive properties near the rivers. Now these people in High River want to know why everyone in Calgary is pumping out their neighborhoods and is allowed back in their properties and they weren’t BUT the police were in their homes, seizing their property. It isn’t as clear cut as you might want to think.

          • LOL The Polish guy in BC? Be serious.

            High River types….rich or not…. got caught breaking the law….and I doubt bluster will help

            Really HI….as a nurse you should know better.

          • Allegedly breaking the law you mean. No charges have been laid and the fire arms will all be returned. Further, an inquiry will be launched into the mounties actions (according to the news reported in Calgary). So let’s just wait and see.

          • Anything in a locked storage cabinet was left untouched. Guns visible around the home were removed. They will be returned when the homeowners show up. They were all notified.

            If you guys can’t trust the cops even in an emergency, then get rid of the mounties and fund your own police. Or do without police altogether.

            Of all the idiotic…….

          • If you look at further posts from Truth seeker, it turns out that the people in High River had removed their guns from locked storage in the basement and moved them to “higher ground’ in their homes to save them from being destroyed along with other valuables. Obviously, they were properly stored at one point and the people are law abiding citizens who were in an untenable situation. As I said, a little compassion and understanding along with giving people the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions can often be a good idea.

          • MmmmHmmm..and I’m the Queen of England.

            Now stop being silly.

          • Really….I guess you have intimate knowledge that would prove this ascertain to be inaccurate. I know when I was told to evacuate, I had 30 minutes and I brought some things of value out of my basement. I don’t have a gun but i have a printer and a few other things that I store there. If I did have a gun, I probably would store it in the basement. Frankly though, in the end, it doesn’t really matter what YOU think. You have NEVER shown a bit of compassion for anyone who has suffered a loss in this crisis. If it is something bad and it is happening to an Albertan, you think it is well deserved.
            I just wonder what you guys would say if the cops had found some cannabis. Would you be so eager for them to charge people then.

          • Some people had no time at all…..couldn’t even take their photos or their pets, or any important papers or spare cash…..but scads of people apparently had time to go to the basement, unlock cabinets and trot guns upstairs. Because of all the valuables in their houses….jewellery, keepsakes, heirlooms, antiques, paintings or whatever…..only the guns mattered enough to rescue.

            Really HI…..you must be the only nurse in the country that gullible.

            And btw if the cops had found cannibis or worse, of course people would be charged. As they should be.

            Now stop with Alberta Victim Syndrome.

          • People who didn’t take anything including their pets didn’t do so because THEY WERE AT WORK!

          • Gee….then I guess they couldn’t move guns from the basement gun cabinet to the upstairs either eh?

          • You said some people didn’t take their pets….those people were at work in Calgary. There was NO notice for some people. They were at work. I was at home. It hit us at 6:30 pm.

          • Yup, and police removed them. All part of dealing with an emergency.

          • Yes but that happened day one. People were freaking and of course registered that their pets were stuck in their homes.

          • those that did had their guns confiscated, moron

          • And so the pet rescuers got in how?

          • Obviously, they asked the police or a first responder (perhaps an EMT) to go into the home to get the pet. At that point they likely gave them a key.

          • They had locksmiths on hand – they showed the vans on the news. The engineers who had to evaluate the damage to each house had to get in. This is why it took as long as it did – something like 4500 homes had to be examined. The one film that was filmed by either DND or the RCMP show officers armed only with an oar – used for balance in the thigh high water, does not show doors being broken down. Have you seen that film? Breaks your heart, main floors(not basements) with 3 feet of water.

          • I never said they broke down doors. I said they entered homes where the doors were locked.
            In Calgary they would not enter your home unless the homeowner was present or had made a request that they do so. I think Mayor Nenshi is very smart.

          • those of us who live in Alberta know the only people without advance warning were the people in Camrose and a few on the Siksika Reserve. but nice try emilynone. time to mind your own business, oh, and since you are so big on the floods, what have you done for the flood victims, besides complain that they are whiners

          • If you’re auditioning for Summer Temp you are making a mess of it……and Albertans won’t appreciate the image you’re giving them.

          • nice way to change the subject, kiddo. what have you done for the flood victims besides claim to know all about what is going on from your little world in toronto. as for the job of summer temp, unlike you, I’m not still a child who thinks she is full of knowledge. however, all 3 of my kids have their places of work in the flooded area in Calgary. two were working in the urgent care centre that serves down town Calgary. their first thoughts were of how they could help the victims. and they volunteered to work in the relocation centres. Unfortunately, I am elsewhere looking after my elderly mother, or I’d be scrubbing walls and floors with the rest of the city.

          • Why should I do anything for your ‘flood victims?’

            And I don’t live in Toronto. Sorry

          • then you should STFU and keep your opinions to yourself. they are CANADA’s flood victims, not just Alberta’s.If you aren’t willing to help. step out of the way and let the real Canadians do what they can. You have just proved yourself a selfish, opinionated spoiled child with no sense of values or empathy. and I can guarantee you don’t live in the real world either.

          • Gee, last time I looked we had free speech in this country. So I wil exercise my right to use it….get over it.

            I have no reason to help out. Albertans have spewed pollution for years without the slightest concern for other people…..attacked other provinces and people on this and other chatsites….and generally made miserable spiteful nuisances of themselves. There has never been a thought of being ‘Canadian’.

            So don’t play ‘victim’ with me. Taxes….something Albertans hate, and have been trying to eliminate for years….will be dumped into Alberta….and not one of you will be grateful for it. We’ll just get more whining and complaining. You have perfected the ‘culture of complaint’

            Personally i don’t even intend to buy the Timmie’s donut.

            PS….This is my last answer to you. You are not only both snivelly and belligerent….there’s no sense talking to the temp. Ciao.

          • funny, that. 13 years ago when I was suffering from lung disease in ONTARIO caused by pollution my doctor insisted I move to Calgary where the air was CLEAN. pollution in Canada is totally in Ontario and Quebec. taxes, idiot, come FROM Alberta, its called transfer of payments. and we send so much to you have not provinces that we can’t afford to live the way you do in Ontario. you have no reason to help out simply because you are a bigoted, selfish, uneducated child. I’m sure your parents are so very proud of your statements on here about how you think Albertans should just stop whining that we have rights too

            Oh, and by the way, apparently, you can’t buy the timmy’s doughnut because it is only sold in Alberta, and for 35 cents more than other doughnuts. way to go Ontario, take advantage of flood victims by charging more for something you claim to help them

          • you weren’t there miss emily know it all from Ontario, so you don’t know what happened

          • We don’t know why some weapons were found unsecured. It really doesn’t matter. The owners are not going to be charged, the weapons were just removed as a safety issue. What is it with people like you who see conspiracies against you everywhere?

          • LOL now they’re into a fight about Laureen Harper, and if she really ‘worked’ or not.

            Honest ta gawd!

          • I don’t know but on the news they showed her in the neighborhood of Mission and she was muddy and she didn’t look happy to that she was being filmed. She was in a line of people who were cleaning out a flooded basement suite. She wasn’t very friendly to the news media.

          • Maybe she was mad at Joan Crockett who spent her time there tweeting pics of her.

          • This was an actual news outlet. Maybe the Calgary Herald…a video. She a bit snarky.

          • I do not know. All I can say is she was muddy. She was in a line that was cleaning out a basement suite in Mission. She was snarky with the press and the other volunteers were a bit ‘star struck’.

          • yeah, they dared hand her a dirty screw driver and a rag. she did nothing.

          • It is NOT about a conspiracy! You guys want to believe the worst of these people and I am not willing to do so. I refuse to be political about this. I was evacuated. I had 30 minutes. I arranged for my kid, my dogs, my elderly neighbors & their dog (then they refused to leave so I had the police talk to them), I went down the block to see if a woman needed a ride to a shelter, I brought up some stuff from the basement. I watched my daughter take most of her worldly belongings to her car (she is 18 and sleeps in the basement). It is quite surreal. I grabbed my lap-top so I could facebook that we were okay and we locked up and left.

          • Nobody is critcizing the people who may have left unsecured weapons behind. They may have planned on staying and were afraid of looters – I sure would have been.

          • Well, my neighbor who stayed behind (the lady) was afraid. We thought the street might not flood because the bank is very high but we were concerned that the whole neighborhood might be cut off by flooding all around and our fears did come to pass as all of the bridges in and out of our neighborhood did flood. Her husband is stubborn and in his late 80’s and he wouldn’t leave. She didn’t feel right leaving him behind. Apparently Laureen Harper’s dad was the same way. The police helicopters kept flying overhead. They were announcing that the power would be shut off and we needed to evacuate immediately. They also have infra-red cameras so I guess if they got into trouble they could flag them down. The worst part was they had no cell phone charged or direct land line that they could call out once the power went off. Of course we didn’t know that when we left.

          • I am not in anyway underestimating the trauma people have and will continued to suffer. It’s probably going to get a lot worse before it gets better. My position, as opposed to yours, is that it is not constructive to fight with the authorities and encourage the agitation that people understanably feel. It is counter-productive at this point. The time will come for the blame game – but for now it is an emergency situation.

          • I think you misunderstand. I am not encouraging agitation but the rather the right of citizens to express their feelings of unhappiness over what occurred without having those feelings dismissed out of hand.

          • Well let’s all hope, if this, as Redford says a ten year project, that cool heads will prevail and the end goal will be uppermost in people’s minds.

          • Yes indeed.

          • Uh… it seems to me that you are more than willing to believe the worst about the RCMP. I make no judgment about the people of High River, but I know anti-cop sentiment when I see it.

          • Anti-cop? Hahaha! That is ridiculous. I have nothing but respect for the hard work that the police do. The RCMP do an awesome job especially in those areas where often times there is only one of them working and they end up responding to all kinds of terrible calls. I cannot believe that you would label a person “anti-cop” because they question whether good decisions are made by administrators. Surely you don’t think the front-line police officers made the decisions about taking a lock-smith and going into locked homes in High River without the owners present?

          • They are called “CPC supporters”

          • Not necessarily. The one person who made sure to respect people’s property rights was a Liberal, Mayor Nenshi.

          • My snark here, HI, was not directed at you (or not necessarily anyway). A number on here – Billy Bob in particular – see a conspiracy in the cops’ actions and/or are playing political games with the situation.

            For many of them, it appears to be just another “Party First” day like any other – disaster be damned.

          • I told you Keith, I have NO PARTY. I love Mayor Nenshi and he is a Liberal. I am a huge fan of Raj Sherman, the head of the Liberal Party in Alberta. I think Mulclair has performed very well in the House of Commons. I am not “fanning any flames” of decent. I am just very sensitive to people’s civil rights. This somewhat paternalistic belief that because you are doing what you believe is best for people for society in general, that makes it okay to circumvent the rules, is a slippery slope. We in mental health have many rules because it is SO easy to fall into doing what’s best for a patient because they are not well. However, we cannot do that without going through all the proper legal procedures and giving them their due process. I don’t believe that expressing concerns about these issues makes one an agitator. I always thought sharing different opinions makes us more conscious of what it is we believe and why we think the way we do. I never thought I would be called irresponsible or unprofessional for expressing an opinion that maybe things could have been done in a different way where all parties viewed the result as a win-win.

          • I don’t recall calling you unprofessional or irresponsible. I DID up-vote some comments where that sentiment was expressed but it was in support of the main argument presented. At least, that’s all I remember doing, though I may have given an up-vote to a snark or two that I liked.

            And like I said, my “CPC supporters” comment wasn’t aimed necessarily at you – though you have been awfully defensive of them lately, even on issues where their actions were indefensible (which led to the “wife” comments here by another poster).

          • Keith, that was quite a while ago….the Wright/Duffy incident and I remember it well because that ended my affiliation with the party. I have not been defensive of their actions. I am an equal opportunity “snarker” now and it is highly freeing. You guys are overly sensitive whenever I mention anything about Justin Trudeau though. It is really a shame Nenshi wasn’t the head of the Liberal Party of Canada. I could behind that.

          • There are a number of people I would rather see leading the Libs than Trudeau (my ideal candidate would have been Danny Williams; despite being PC provincially, I think he has more in common with the Libs federally than with the CPC).

            I think a lot of the criticism aimed at JT is CPC propaganda though – and often hypocritical propaganda. I don’t remember specifically coming down on you for a Trudeau comment – though I have countered many a nonsensical attack on Trudeau. (There are some legit concerns that I don’t take issue with.)

            I’d rather see either the Libs or the NDP in power than another term under the CPC – and I don’t particularly like the NDP. I used to like (and occasionally vote for) the old PC party but barring major changes I really can’t see myself ever voting CPC.

            But we are getting well off track now…

          • …and from this story and other accounts there are no plans to lay charges for unsafe storage and Redford has said “There is no suggestion that people will not be able to have their guns back…”

            That means the RCMP have temporarily taken custody to ensure the guns remain safe in the interim. It’s not some conspiracy to disarm the citizens.

            So the PMO is just stirring the pot needlessly to score political points with the gun culture of Alberta (where their support has been dropping of late).

          • I never suggested that there was any form of conspiracy. I only stated two things: #1 being that people are stressed and upset and they have the right to express that upset because they feel their civil liberties were violated; #2 being that there was an alternative to to the way it was handled in High River and the alternative was practiced by Mayor Nenshi in Calgary. No Emergency workers or police went into people’s homes unless the owner’s were present or the owner’s or a family member of the owner requested they do so. I suggested that in Calgary there have been no issues of this kind.
            As for the office of the PMO. I have no idea but there is no war measures act in place and the police told me when my neighbor would not evacuate that although the evacuation was mandatory, they cannot force anyone to leave. As a citizen, you have the right to refuse medical treatment (as long as you are sane) even if to do so will cause your death so you certainly have the right to remain in your home while there is a flood and the police do not have the right to enter the home without your asking for their assistance. Remember, they were going door to door.

          • I’m sure if they had thought to bring those guns with them when they were forcibly evacuated, they would be in jail right now. and I can bet you that most of those guns WON’T be returned because they weren’t registered before the long gun registry was removed.

          • I am waiting – you are making all kinds of accusations. Geez, lady – try for come consistency.

          • Making what kind of accusations? I haven’t made an accusations. I said I am not sure what happened but it may be that the guns were moved to higher ground to avoid the flooding. People are claiming that their homes were locked before the police entered.

          • Why do I always feel the need to go bang my head on some cement while attempting a discussion with you?

          • If you have complaints about the RCMP I would suggest you contact Vic Toews. Those of us who live in B.C. have been complaining about the force for years to him to no avail. They’re not allowed to even speak without clearing it through him. And nobody is more concerned about gun rights than Toews so I am finding it hard to believe anything has gone down here that he wouldn’t approve of.

          • because the RCMP have been found to break the law in Alberta almost as much as the criminals they claim to protect us from.

          • Then hire your own and stop whining.

          • Can’t do that. the RCMP won’t let small towns have their own police forces

          • You could have your own provincial police….like real provinces do.

          • RCMP won’t let that happen either, moron and real provinces? how about we turn off the oil and wheat exports and see how long you go on about what is a real province, you smarmy little scut

          • there were fewer than a dozen who refused to leave, emily know it all. and from what has been on the news here, they are most likely to be charged for refusing evacuation orders for it. however, there will be an investigation as to the actions of the authorities since they appear to have overstepped their bounds. there was the You can’t go back to your house because the mayor says so thing going on

          • So you’re asserting that there is some conspiracy to target High River in general and gun owners in particular? Can you flesh out who would be behind this for us?

          • Conspiracy…hahaha….absolutely not! It was just a lack of thought put into the fact that people don’t really appreciate the police going through their houses and then seizing their stuff. You guys suggest that their was a risk of looting but the streets of the town were waist deep in water so the only way a looter could have done it was with a boat and the police and the military were blocking the streets. They even had a spike belt down and road blocks entering the town. If it was like Calgary, there were helicopters with infra-red flying over. The place was very secure.
            Like I say, we don’t have enough information.

          • Here’s a thought, maybe Calgary is getting the better assets – e.g. helicopters with infra-red. I made this point what seems like 100 times now – the town is about to be opened up – that is when the looting might occur. Of course there is no risk now with the security perimeter and the high water. This is not complicated stuff here.

          • Calgary got better assets because it is bigger. period. the Siksika Reserve got no help until someone on a social network pointed out that people there were living in tents above their flooded houses with no water or food available.

          • why Emily? because you say so? if a gun has a trigger lock, it isn’t gonna be used against a cop, is it?. your gun safe is in the basement, you put your $300 hunting rifle upstairs in the bedroom to prevent it from being totally ruined and the cops break into your house and steal it? but because they are cops its all right? NO, it isn’t. looting by cops is still looting

          • Be serious.

          • I take it you are one of those people who think nobody should have guns or hunt for food

          • I own guns…..but the huner/gatherer stage is thousands of years behind us.

          • why can’t people have guns lying about the house? does it harm anyone if a gun is in a dresser drawer or laying on the mantle to keep it out of the flood, or perhaps you are one of those people who thinks no one but criminals and cops should own guns?

  4. Is the PMO now being lead around by Sun News?

    • Stoned again

      • So that’s your problem. Explains why you keep giving yourself a thumbs up immediately after posting.

        • Whatever you say Mary Jane, I don’t smoke, dumb ass.

          Roll another one you pot head.

          • Is that all you have – seriously?

          • Billy Bob is not noted for the intelligence of his posts – just for his blind partisanship.

          • Who’s blind oh all seeing one?

            When I could see that the NDP in BC would lose that election yourself and the other leftists who post on here were still calling for an NDP majority in BC.

            Same thing the last three federal elections, you lefties were wrong.

            Suck it up buttercup.

          • Other commenters maybe; I don’t know enough about BC politics to have made any predictions (and I’d be surprised if I even posted any comments on that election).

            And most of us that you call “lefties” or “leftards” (not really an apt description of me, except as it separates me from the likes of you rightholes) would argue we weren’t wrong; we just didn’t win. A distinction I’m sure you aren’t capable of comprehending, but…

          • Weasel words KB, typical Leftard A-hole

          • You tried to put words in my mouth; I told you you were wrong. What’s weaselly about that?

            BTW – it’s pretty sad how you vote yourself up all the time…

          • What’s pretty sad is the leftists who post under several pseudonyms and have conversations with themselves.

          • I’ve seen plenty on the right do that – or at least try to pretend they are someone different. Orson Bean / Hippocrates being the most recent. I’ve seen them make up a completely fake identity (Rick Omen). There was someone on here a week or so ago (forget the name) that I suspect was Francien under a nom de plume. Can’t say I’ve seen that behaviour in anyone but CPC supporters.Please name me some.

          • Sure KB……………….

          • That’s what I thought; no evidence. Just accusations. Like so many of your posts.

            BTW – forgot to vote yourself up.

          • Every time you post is evidence enough Leftard.

          • As usual, you make no sense. Are you saying I’m somehow your alter ego and I’m arguing with myself? Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder and you think I’m one of your voices?

            Because the other explanation is that you think I also post under a different name or names. I don’t, but would be interested to know what other names you think I post under. There are some I’d be flattered to be confused with.

          • Oh, and I see you rectified that self-vote you missed. And you never even had the manners to thank me :-(

          • I’ve noticed that. Other than that he’s just so charming…

    • no, I’m pretty sure its the Globe and Mail

  5. So criminals can get a boat go up and down the streets of High River searching homes and loading up with guns. Exaggeration of course, but you don’t want to tempt anybody either.

    • Stupid

    • As I told Emily, there is a huge police presence in High River. I live in an area of Calgary was evacuated. The police AND the military were patrolling in my neighborhood in large numbers. According to our community assoc. president, looters were actually arrested in the alley behind our home (which was not flooded). The police in High River (RCMP) have spike belts stopping residents and any potential looters from entering the town. Anybody in a boat is a police officer or a military personnel. What upset the residents was that apparently the police broke into some of the houses to get the firearms. I would caution people who don’t know the whole story from going off half-cocked. The residents of this small community are very frustrated.

      • The people affected by these floods need the support of all Canadians……High River`s situation is particularly bad and frustration and anger is a natural reaction….Accusations against the police doing their job doesn`t help………More people the like of your Calgary mayor Nemshi would be the best help….

        P.S. If you have any spare `Nemshi ` many parts of Canada would be interested !

        • I think mayor Nenshi is one of a kind.

      • Of course they’re frustrated. This is disaster of huge proportion for the people who live in High River. There will be people wiped out financially by this in their retirement years. The police secured unsecured weapons in order that they not get into the wrong hands. It won’t be long before access is wide open – think of all the trades people that will be coming and going. It will be impossible to protect the empty houses. Empty houses get vandalized.Does it make any sense to leave weapons lying around so that they can get stolen?

        • I am not saying that once the police saw the weapons, they made a bad choice to take them and secure them. I am sure they thought they made a very choice. I am saying that the residents feel violated that the police chose to go into their homes without them. They did not do that in Calgary. They refused to go into the homes without the residents with them. In the end, that was probably a much wiser choice.

          • They felt ‘violated’?

            It was a GD emergency, water broke through the windows, lives were at stake….I mean, really

          • This might be hard to understand but I work with people who get committed and they have control taken away from them. Whatever decisions you let them make, it is a good idea to let them. This is sort of the same thing. You are keeping people out of their homes, they have lost all control of the situation (through nobody’s fault). You want to give them some feeling of being in control back. It is through simple things like respecting that the property is theirs and that they will be present when you enter it. That is what they did in Calgary. When you say lives were at stake, that really isn’t accurate. The police weren’t asked to enter these homes because someone was in danger inside of them or a pet needed to be rescued. They did it on their own initiative in a door to door search.

          • HI….these are not mental patients….these are average citizes

            And you keep them out of dangerous homes in an emergency

            And yes, people’s lives were at stake….water smashed through windows and some people barely made it out

          • To your second comment, this incident with the police entering the homes did not occur when the water smashed the windows. That was early on in the flooding.
            As for your first comment, not everyone who is committed is out of touch with reality. Some people are very depressed and suicidal but completely sane. The concept is still the same. They are very stressed and they are having all of their choices taken away from them. That is very difficult for an adult to accept.

          • This comment was deleted.

          • ?????

          • Shit happens….it’s part of Life….everybody’s Life….you deal with it and move on.

          • I think you’re being very patronizing about the people of High River. You should give them more credit.

          • It isn’t just the people of High River. There are a lot of people here in Calgary that have had a lot of loss and uncertainty. People all over Calgary are volunteering. Both my husband and married daughter are out of work because their places of work were damaged in the flooding. My daughter’s boss told her she might get laid off for the whole summer and she might have to lay all her staff off. I sorry if you feel I am patronizing people. Maybe I am just a little too close to some of the issues myself.

          • Dude, it isn’t as if the Police were walking away with their Barbeques, or rifling their change jars. Guns left lying in the open are so obviously not cool. That is why the law stipulates safe storage, so they do not fall into the wrong hands. The Police had to enter the homes to ensure that there were no people trapped or injured. It takes a pretty dense and irrational person to argue that guns are no different than any other personal property, and I am sure that the law and order freaks would be out in force if a looter did in fact steal a gun and shoot somebody with it.

          • Dude, it looks like the police went into locked homes that weren’t in flooded areas and took guns that were “hidden”. If that is the case, they weren’t entering to make sure people weren’t trapped or injured and they didn’t take a firearm that was in plain site. They also didn’t enter locked homes in any other jurisdiction that was evacuated due to flooding including any other small towns like Black Diamond, Turner Valley, Canmore. Yet the RCMP police all this jurisdictions and the police presence was smaller than in High River so really looting was probably a bigger risk. Can you explain that, dude? Hmmm….neither can they…hence there is going to be an inquiry.

      • You have frequently mentioned in other posts that this is an affluent suburb of Calgary. Did it occur to you that there may be a higher RCMP presence because (a) an affluent community would be a better target for looters once the water levels drop and (b) the wealthy would be the most likely to make big noise if their properties weren’t protected?

        The taking of unsecured guns is a preventative measure. People like you would be howling if they left them; the guns were stolen; and someone was killed with one of them. Basically, in some people’s eyes, the cops can do no right.

        • As I said Keith, I am not sure if the taking of the guns was a wise idea BUT as a preventative measure it won’t matter because these people will all go ASAP and get their guns back. Meanwhile, there will continue to be a big police presence in the community because it is largely evacuated. That is what is happening in the neighborhoods in Calgary.

  6. And thanks to Carl Vallee for lifting the veil.

    • Some cops are criminals

      • True of any job category you care to name. Your point?

        • What was that…………ah….just the Leftard peanut gallery

  7. If these homes were locked and secure then the RCMP officers involved committed Break and Enter and Theft, both criminal acts.

    • Mounties are checking for people and pets left behind.

      They are only removing unsecured guns, not properly stored ones.

      People got caught breaking the law….and now they’re whining.

      • !d!ot

        If no one answers the door and they can’t see anyone inside through the windows they DO NOT have the right to break in.

        • If no one answers the door in a disaster area, it could be because they’re lying on the floor unconscious.

          Stop whining.

          • Emily you’re too ignorant for words………..

          • I think I know who the ignorant one is in this dialogue. (Hint: it’s not Emily).

          • Good, then don’t use any more…..go garden or something.

        • So your house is on fire and you’re trapped in a back bedroom – you don’t want the fire department breaking down the door to rescue you or your pets? Talk about a weird hill to die on.

    • And if the RCMP can break in while trying to protect others, what’s to prevent loters from doing the same – and walking off with the guns? A good many guns used in crimes are stolen in just that manner – taken in the commission of other crimes.

      I’ve seen your other posts on here – you clearly haven’t a clue. And then you have the nerve to call others idiots…

      • What looters moron?

        No reports of looters leftard.

        If clues were shoes you, EO,KB, JW, etc. would all be barefoot.

        • The police have the perimeter secured now, Einstein. Now try to imagine what could happen when it’s possible to get into the town and a lot of houses are vacant.

          • This isn’t downtown Toronto or Vancouver we’re talking about.

          • Bad guys only live in the city and never leave it to commit crimes. Got it.

          • Bad guys are opportunists. They aren’t going to brave floods and mounties to ransack homes and probably very few live in High River.

          • The water is going to recede but there will remain vacant houses. You would think this whole thing is going to be fixed in a week.

          • The houses won’t remain vacant. There will be black mold. The mold will be throughout the structure because the water has been the houses for over a week. The houses will have to be destroyed like grow-ops. The University of Lethbridge is offering these people housing until sometime in August but Lethbridge is over 2 hours away.

          • And there will people in there stealing everything from wiring to plumbing fixtures. They won’t be destroyed overnight. Why can’t you accept that there may be break ins before the houses are emptied or torn down? This isn’t poitical, it’s not a slur against Albertans, it is just human nature.

          • I think about 1/4 of the town is habitable so about 4,000 people will be living there in the foreseeable future. Those homes that are condemned will be cleared of everything and slated for demolition. Given that there will empty homes and fears of looting, the province will provide money for increased policing. Allison Redford has already deposited $1 billion in the town’s bank account.

          • So now the police are the good guys. OK then.

          • You aren’t helping your case. They are opportunists, and Calgary isn’t far. Give them the opportunity – and it will come – and some will do the commute. Some will pose as (or actually be) tradespeople coming to do assessments and repairs. Some may even be other emergency response people.

            I can’t speak to the reasons why they entered the houses in the first place, but to leave unsecured weapons lying about would have been the heights of irresponsibility.

          • It is a wealthy suburb of Calgary, is it not? And isn’t Calgary on the list of the most crime-ridden cities of Canada? First-responders can’t maintain their vigilance forever, and crimes are often opportunity-based. You don’t think there aren’t a few criminal types who wouldn’t be willing to do the commute?

          • I know this might be hard for you to picture but High River is one of those towns with very few roads in an out. Further the water in most of the streets was higher than the roof of a car. We had newsmen from Calgary trying to report from there. They were wading up to their waists to do so in the streets of the town. I am not sure but I believe to loot you need some sort of vehicle. The place was crawling with police and military and that was from day one. I will not comment on them breaking into homes and taking the guns and whether a gun being locked in a home means it was “stored properly” but I don’t understand how people who live in other provinces and aren’t familiar with the town or what has occurred here in southern Alberta can really comment with such certainty about what is right and what is wrong. All I know is that the Calgary City Police aren’t breaking into any houses in Calgary and there are still evacuated areas. For some reason our city police aren’t quite as concerned about the safety of guns and we actually have had some people attempt to loot.

          • The rebuild or whatever you want to call it is going to take a long time. The security is only going to be there temporarily. There will be vandalism. Removing some unsecured weapons is really the least of the problems the community is facing.

          • There will be complete demolition and complete rebuilding. Hardly any off the structures will likely be salvageable due to mold.

          • And how does this relate to the discussion about securing unsecured weapons?

          • Gee your might snarky today, Keith. The point is that there won’t be any items in any of these houses (including guns) to worry about protecting from looters. The houses will likely have to be demolished and rebuilt, therefore, everything that wasn’t completely destroyed in the flood will be taken out and stored elsewhere. Further, the security will be ongoing because the town has funding for policing.

          • Between the time the town opens up and the homes are torn down, there will be plenty of opportunity for the less scrupulous to get in and take advantage. Some of the unscrupulous may actually be there for otherwise legitimate purposes; there is a criminal element in every imaginable type of profession. All that is needed is for one of those unsafely stored weapons to be taken and then used in the commission of a crime and suddenly the cops are in a firestorm over why they didn’t take the weapons when they saw them. This is a no-win situation for them and you are just fanning the flames.

            Harper will just love you for this!

        • It’s called preventative action. Something your parents might have given more thought to.

      • Keith, I think the issue is that the town has had a heavy police presence throughout this whole crisis. They have barred ANYONE from entering. They have spike belts on the roads that aren’t waist deep in water. This place is so small, you couldn’t help but notice a boat. There are no looters. People are upset that they broke into their homes and took their stuff. People are frustrated and worried because their homes have been under water for over a week now and mold is probably rampant, meaning many will have to be bulldozed.

        • That may be your issue; it isn’t Billy Bob’s. He’s pure and simple pro-gun and anti-cops. And pure idiot. These aren’t exactly isolated comments by him.

          On the other hand, if someone had died because a cop had failed to enter a home, he would have been all over that as well.

          • You are so full of shit KB, most members of the RCMP do a hell of a good job, some however are assholes and should d never have been on the force in the first place.

            You don’t speak for me.

            Go jump out in front of train asshole.

          • Such a sweet, mannerly type you are! Good thing you aren’t typical of the CPC supporters or this nation would be in a real mess!

  8. Always good to know the PMO has their priorities (not) right :-(

  9. What a fantastic example of mature leadership and refusing to pander to the lowest crudest level of thinking we see from the PMO in this gun comment.
    I’m talking about (Can you believe it?) Danielle Smith the local MLA in High River and Wildrose leader who just was on TV standing behind the beleaguered local and provincial officials who are dealing with such horrendous conditions. No cheap shots no pandering to the Neanderthal gun lovers in her community. Just mature responsible comment.
    Hey there are good decent Cons out there; just not many in Ottawa.

    • Somebody must have stepped on her then because she was demanding residents be let back in just yesterday.

      • I was just trying to be nice for a change! That may have been her true opinion, I didn’t see that. But today she just wasn’t exploiting the situation, taking cheap shots, or pandering to crazies.

        • No, she has definitely decided to be constructive today.

      • She got jumped on for her comments. Not everyone is a BillyBob it seems.

        • Ahh I wondered as I thought it was pretty irresponsible.

          Now if someone will do the same to Harper…….

  10. Considering that that law allows for the RCMP to seize everything, invalidate their licenses, and charge them with improper storage, maybe the people who can’t be bothered to lock their guns up properly should clam up, collect their firearms quietly, and politely call it a day.

    Irresponsible gun owners who trot out the “freedom!!!!” card to cover for their refusal and/or inability to practice safe storage of their arms irritate me to no end.

    • Agreed. Might be a good time to keep their heads down, say ‘yes officer’ and lock things up in future.

      I’ve just been told there is no crime in High River anyway…..so there’s no need to have guns out around the house.

      • Funny thing is, you leftists are losing on a regular basis, the majority of Canadians do not agree with your nanny state BS, the next federal election will see Turdeau and the Lieberals lose even more seats.

        The Bloq will make some slight gains in Quebec at the expense of the NDP.

        The Conservatives will still have a majority.

        • Don’t drink and post luv….you make even less sense than usual.

          • I don’t drink you stupid b***h.

          • I was being polite…..it implies you will eventually sober up and be normal.

            But you are determined to be both stupid and rude….and I’m not interested in talking to crazy crackers….so Ciao.

          • Don’t go away mad……..just go away E-tard

        • The only funny thing is that you actually think that this is about left or right. It’s about responsible and irresponsible gun ownership and the people who can’t be bothered to secure their guns properly only provide fodder to be used against those that do.

          So, sorry, I’m not cutting them any slack. Don’t come at me crying when you break the law and don’t even get your hand slapped for doing it.

          • According to one poster, the owners had removed their guns from secure storage to move them to higher ground in their homes, then locked the homes. So actually there was a reason they were not properly stored…it was due to the flooding. Really, we need to listen to the whole story before we become completely judgmental.

          • Unsafe storage is unsafe storage. The reasons do not change the definition. However, it will make a difference when the time comes to decide whether or not to return them to their owners.

          • Another leftist moron who doesn’t believe in property rights.

        • In other words, you will be unemployed and unemployable if Harper loses the next election.

          • Holy crap are you stupid, leftist fall back position, everyone who disagrees with you or Etard is a paid poster.

            You’re a joke.

          • And you are off your meds again.

          • Swing and a miss KB

        • He says as government funding is about to flow bigtime to Alberta (who needs it).

          • It’s time to end transfer payments once and for all.

            The money that will flow back to Alberta is there’s in the first place.

          • oops “theirs”

  11. Huh, tough situation. Shame on Harper for issuing quasi-orders he has no authority in an area he doesn’t have any and making it worse. Shame on the politicians who tried to politicize the issue and gun lobbyists doing the same. Shame on the gun owners not exercising proper responsibility, which is a condition for owning a gun in this country (I do have some sympathy for cases where it was a momentary lapse in a fast, panicked evacuation, but at the same time, you have that license because you are trusted to own a gun at all times, even in difficult crunch situations – ESPECIALLY those times).

    And a tough situation for the cops. Most of them know they can’t just go into houses without a legal reason, but they were responding to an emergency acting in good faith and suddenly they come across an illegal situation. Hopefully they just give the guns back with a warning about storage laws, the owners learn a valuable lesson about gun safety, and the public gets insight into just how “responsible” some of these gun lobbyists can be.

    • In defense of owners of guns not legally stored in High River, they were likely moved from secure storage to higher locations in their residences to avoid the flooding. The police entered legally (due to emergency declaration) ; gathered, tagged and safely stored these guns so they could later be returned to their owners.———Steven Harper`s use of this situation as a political mudfest ; in the midst of this tragedy ; only shows what a shallow little man he is !!!! Some Albertan !!!! ——–Some Prime Minister !!!!!

      • This makes complete sense!

        • well, more sense than the duffy crap being excusable because of his poor wife…

          • Are you EVER going to let that go?

        • It does, but it isn’t the argument you have been making.

          • Keith, I am really done. You have gone through the comments today and taken things out of order and snarked at me, accused me of being a cop hater, thumbed up comments regarding my lack of professionalism, etc. The fact that I have a different opinion than you doesn’t make me unprofessional, an agitator or a cop-hater. From my perspective, we can agree to disagree on this one and let it go. Thank you.

      • That could very well be (although it begs the question why they couldn’t meet storage requirements at these higher elevated levels). There is very little data provided about exactly what was wrong with the storage of these seized guns or even the number removed.

  12. Does Steven Harper think his position as Prime Minister bestow on him the powers to direct law enforcement and the judiciary in their actions and judgments —–Maybe he thinks his powers extend to Elections Canada ——

    This Honorable Prime Minister needs a refresher course in the Canadian Constitution and democracy ……….

    `Steve` get on with addressing the major issues facing our country; We can see when your time is being spent tossing `raw meat` to your pack………………..

    • He seems unable to leave the war room stuff to the party officials. He obviously doesn’t trust them so he thinks his office needs to step in all the time. And they keep stepping in it. Poor leadership all around.

      • Maybe he is just concerned that people’s civil rights not get crapped on.

        • You are too old to be that naiive.

          • I don’t know. I am concerned about people’s civil rights. Shouldn’t everybody be?

          • Yes, I think in the middle of a natural disaster, the gun rights of a few gun owners, whose weapons have been placed in safe custody, and who will not be charged with anything, and can obtain said weapons back should be top of mind.

          • That is what this discussion is about.

          • It’s what you’re on about ad nauseum. I just don’t think it figures in the problems facing High River.

        • what no poor destitute wife somewhere that somehow makes it OK?

          • You certainly do have a hard time moving on.

          • i dunno, it was so weird the way you clung to a stupid theory/lie for so long you became invested in it, then laughed so soon after about how you fooled everyone with your “devil’s advocacy”.

            I know there is weird behaviour on the net and people say and do things they wouldn’t in real life, but you seemed kinda unhinged.

          • Now you are going to psychoanalyze me for some comments on the internet. Well good luck with that Sigmund Freud.

          • You do put a lot out there…

          • A lot of comments……hmmm….compared to who?

  13. The only looting done was by the cops.
    They knew where to go from the gun registry.

    I’m sure a lot of those guns will end up in some cops private collection.

    • There you have it – a real live conspiracy theory.

      • Look at the video evidence, oh ya, the left only care about what they imagine in their pea sized brains.

  14. Any notion that Stephen Harper cares about democratic rights is laughable. He only cares about himself as PM and the Conservative Party. Government accountability and transparency, third-party oversight, the press’s right to have their questions answered, and the impartiality of the public service have all been compromised by Harper.

    As for the RCMP, they may have acted rightly or wrongly in seizing weapons, but one thing is certain: the comments from the Prime Minister’s Office were wrong. They are an insult to hard-working Mounties who have been on the job around the clock to help the people of High River, some RCMP were bussed in from other areas, some of them victims themselves of the flooding. They are an insult to the premier and government of Alberta who are independent from the federal government and pay for the services of the RCMP in their province. They are an insult to the democratic principle that politicians should not interfere with police work. They are an insult to common sense and to having the decency to keep quiet in a volatile and emotional situation that is none of your business. This was a completely obvious and completely inappropriate overture to the right-wing voter base.

    • you’re an insult to the concept and reality of individual freedom and responsibility………….nothing but a nanny state teat sucker

      • OK Billy Bob – when your place is flooded or some other disaster strikes, we can count on you to look after your own needs without any help from any government or outside agency – seeing as how any proffered assistance would insult your individual freedom and responsibility, and acceptance of same would make you “nothing but a nanny state teat sucker”.

        • I don’t live on a flood plain stupid and I’ve always taken care of myself, my own, my friends and my neighbours,

          So take your opinion and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

          • Ah, far more clever than all those afflicted Albertans. I guess they deserved it, huh? And should wave off assistance and get on with looking after themselves…

            Ever been to a hospital or a doctor, you nanny state teat sucker?

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          • It’s what you implied in your comment, pal. “I don’t live on a flood plain stupid and I’ve always taken care of myself, my own, my friends and my neighbours”. If you meant something different then explain yourself. ‘Cause it certainly sounded to me like you were blaming the victims and declaring yourself superior.

          • You’re a typical leftard moron, blaming the victims is something you lefties love to do, you’re a real piece of work, I was stating fact, if i happened to live in High River or Calgary I would be out there helping others even if I had a mess of my own to clean up, I wouldn’t be sitting and waiting for a government bureaucracy to do something.

            Doctors and hospitals, roads and sewers we pay for through taxes, we don’t pay the police to come into our homes and abscond with our property. Homes that were locked and secured should not have been entered.

            !d!ot.

          • Since the intent is to return the guns (according to everything I’ve seen) then they are protecting not absconding. I assume you’d rather they left them lying around for others to possibly take (and use in the commission of other crimes)? I guess they should NOT conduct door to door searches looking for people who may need assistance? At least until someone dies because they failed to enter – at which point you’d blame the RCMP for the death.

          • Enjoy living in your land of lollipops, fairy tales and unicorns.

            Keep supporting the losing side.

            The members who broke into secured homes and removed private property should be suspended, investigated and dismissed if it is found that they broke the law.

      • Billy Bob, thank God for patriots like you! Call up your militia buddies,and keep your Winchester locked, loaded and trained on the horizon, cuz here comes the government . . .

        • You and others on this thread present a very clear example of Leftist Mental Disorder.

          Anyone who disagrees with your flawed logic or flawed reasoning are immediately labeled as some kind of extremist.

          You leftist types are completely devoid of any capacity for critical thinking or common sense.

  15. I am having a hard time finding any quotes from residents of High River objecting to the police entering their homes to check for anyone left behind, nor have I found quotes from people objecting to the seizure of the guns. Or at least I am not finding quotes from actual residents objecting to that seizure.

    It looks to me this is being used as a political tool by an opportunistic PMO. If the federal government does not feel that the national police force should be blocking re-entry they should step up and offer alternatives. After all the federal government has more resources than anyone else – I am sure there is something they could do to assist people to return home faster. It is interesting how they are not saying anything about blocking people from their homes, and instead comment only on the guns. It they understand why people cannot return to their homes yet then they should be supporting the RCMP in blocking their return, instead of undermining the RCMP with their pointless comments on the guns.

    In any event, I thought I would point out that entry into private homes during emergencies is done all the time. A few months ago a natural gas line was hit in my neighbourhood. The police came and accompanied Atco Gas employees as they entered all the homes in the neighbourhood to look for people or pets so they could be evacuated, and then later re-entered the property in order to restore their service (relighting their furnaces).

    • I should add the obviously citizens of HR are upset they cannot return home. I do not hear anyone saying they should not be upset. Because it is upsetting.

      However, I have a hard time believing the RCMP are preventing their return for any unjustified reason. It does not make sense for them to prevent reentry unless it is truly unsafe for them to return.

      • Gayle, I believe the problem people had was with the way the situation was handled in High River as opposed to Calgary. In Calgary, police only entered homes at the behest of citizens concerned about family members or pets and in fact, one lady was found dead in an evacuated apartment building. Further, the police, utilities, structural people did not enter homes without the owner being present. Of course this makes sense when 75,000 homes were evacuated. In High River, the police took a locks smith and went with the structural and electrical people and entered the homes without any citizens present. They were able to do things this way in High River because it was 4,500 homes opposed to 75,000 homes in Calgary. They did it because they could physically do it but I don’t think they asked themselves if they really should.
        They said they were looking for people passed out or dead or deserted pets but no one asked them to do so. Given that people were accounted for (with all of the people evacuated in Calgary…75,0000 homes..only 1,500 people went to shelters). Then they took the guns…..

        • I don’t agree. In Calgary the water receded relatively quickly and people were able to access their own homes relatively quickly.

          In HR the water has not receded – many homes are still under water and it is clear from reports today that many homes will have to be destroyed due to structural damage. It is not safe for people to enter their homes.

          Stop trying to compare this to Calgary because it is a different situation.

          • There is no difference, except people in Calgary likely had less restrictions on their activity. People were actually seen walking in flood water and riding in boats which isn’t especially safe and as you might recall, Mayor Nenshi freaked on people in a canoe on the ‘raging’ Bow’ Further, when the waters did recede, people still came home to find basement full to the top stair with flood water. Yet, the police and utilities people DID NOT enter their homes when they weren’t present. People in Calgary also had main floor flooding but no one entered their houses when they weren’t there to see if it was “safe for them to enter the homes”. I am sorry but that smacks of a paternalistic attitude and truly it’s like the CN bridge, if it is immersed in water, wading through it, isn’t going to tell you if it’s safe. You would have to examine the foundation and how did they do that when it was immersed? No, their explanation was that they were looking for stranded occupants and pets who might be in peril. Let’s stick to that.
            Further there are hundreds of houses and other buildings in Calgary that will have to be bulldozed due to structural damage and black mold from siting in flood water.
            It was two different approaches. In another article, they are claiming the RCMP did not go door to door but were selective of the houses they entered with a lock smith. I guess we are going to have to let this play out until all the information is available. In the meantime, I have no interest in this story from a political standpoint.

          • So you seriously believe the RCMP had nefarious intentions? Because that is the only way to interpret your post – that you believe the RCMP used this as an opportunity to break into a bunch of middle class and upper class homes for some interest outside of public safety, and I am just not buying that. Hundreds of people stayed in HR against the evacuation order. There was nothing that a registry would do to help the RCMP account for all the people who were missing. The only way they could do that was to enter the homes and look for people left behind.

            And now you are saying they cannot assess whether the houses are safe to enter? So not only are the RCMP lying but the government and their list of houses that are safe and those that are not is also lying?

            In any event the two situations are clearly and obviously different. HR is STILL under water. How is that not different? The houses in HR are not structurally sound and not safe to enter, even when the water recedes. So yes, of course there were two different approaches – that is what happens when you have two different situations to deal with.

            By the way, I have friends in colleagues in Calgary (being as I reside in Edmonton) so I know very well that there are people who were NOT permitted back into their homes or work spaces due to the risks that imposed. Some people still cannot enter their work places. So in that respect Calgary and HR are quite the same.

            I am afraid I simply do not accept your claim that you have no political interest in this story. In a post below you made a feeble attempt to defend the PMO, and throughout your posts here you have tried to defer the issue (which is that the PMO spoke out about the guns in a clumsy, stupid and risky fashion) and attempted to put the blame on the RCMP. I think you are one of those partisans who tries to convince people you are non-partisan.

          • Gayle, you obviously have made up your mind to believe whatever it is you believe so carry on believing it.

          • True. I like facts. What can I say.

    • Gayle, the citizens were on the tv news complaining.

      • Some citizens were on the news complaining. Not all. If they media are looking for complainers that is what they will find.

        I wonder if the entire town feels that way or just the few people who were on the news. And I wonder how much that has to do with their understandable frustration with not being able to get back into their homes, which is distinguishable from feeling their civil rights have been violated because guns were seized.

        My point is that the gun seizure is being used as an opportunity for political gain by some parties…

        • Of course the whole town does not feel that way. Of course the whole town does not own guns. The media found the people who were in a “standoff with RCMP”. Then the RCMP stood down. What I believe is that Harper wanted to make sure to get his message out that he did not order the seizure of guns.

          • Well I hope you are not trying to justify this statement from the PMO, because I am quite certain if that was all he was trying to say, that is all he would have said.

            Have you wondered why the PMO has not said anything about the standoff? Why they are not saying the RCMP should stand down and let people in their homes? I ask, because you are obviously very concerned about how the RCMP have conducted themselves.

            I think they haven’t said anything because, while this is a terrible situation, the RCMP are motivated by protecting people and they want to ensure it is safe before people return. I cannot see any other possible motive.

            And while all this mess is happening, while so many people are justifiably and understandably frustrated with their lack of control over their own homes, what issue stands out so much for the PMO that they feel motivated to comment? Guns. Not people. Guns.

            They are playing to their base. And it is sickening that they are using these people’s tragedy to do that.

  16. I am from High River. You all have no idea whats going on. Everyone in the comments shows that they watch the news, and good on you for that, but please don’t act like you know what is truly going on.

    • Please feel free to share.

  17. The NDP are apparently more in favor of having police break the law than have a Leader in the nation telling police to return guns they stole during home invasions…….socialists supporting fascists? Reminds me of the form of government in place in German 1939! Only there, at least the cops were following the law of the land, not so in High River.

    • Except no law was broken here. Check out s. 19 of the Emergency Management Act in the Province of Alberta. It gives the government the authority to evacuate property, seize property and enter buildings.

      No home invasion and no theft.

  18. anybody got their guns back yet?

    • Not yet, but the RCMP announced they will start giving them back tomorrow.

      So…..

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