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RCMP commissioner: long-gun registry ‘useful’

Removal of head of firearms program not politically motivated, he says


RCMP Commissioner William Elliott says facts demonstrate that the federal long-gun registry has been “useful.” But he added that he doesn’t feel it’s appropriate for the Mounties to take a position on the registry’s future because they are in the “unique position” of having to administer the Canadian Firearms Program, which includes the long-gun registry the Conservative government has long opposed. Elliott also said the use of the registry is increasing. He added, “But decisions of weighing costs and benefits is up to Parliament. We will stick to facts and not to advocacy, and we will leave it to others to advocate positions if they believe that’s appropriate for them.” He also said that the removal of the head of the firearms program, Chief Supt. Marty Cheliak (a vocal supporter of the long-gun registry) was politically motivated were “absolutely false.”

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  1. From the Canadian Tax Federation site, Kevin Gaudet; End the long gun Registry. “The long-gun registry, touted in 1995 to cost $85 million to operate, is now up to an estimated $2 billion and counting.” The registry was an ill-conceived crime-fighting measure that did little more than add paperwork and expenses for hunters, farmers and recreational gun users. For taxpayers, it added higher taxes! Fortunately, taxpayers have the best chance in almost 15 years to bring the wasteful long-gun registry to an end.

    How can anyone trust Kevin Gaudet when he deliberatly tries to deceives the public into believing the Long Gun registry alone cost 2 billion dollars over a 15 year period.

    • Exactly, it was closer to 4 billion. Throw the thing out.

      • Gaudet does seem to have made an error. According to the Auditor General, the long gun registry will have cost Canadians $2 billion by 2012.

        Clearly a difference, but not a significant one.

        • You too seem too eager to make an error.

          The error is making the false allegation the Long gun registry alone cost 2 billion; when in fact the cost of the entire Canadian Firearms Program will be $2 billion over a 17 year period. The cost of issuing firearm licences, back ground checks, registering restricted firearms, non-restricted firearms, and prohibited firearms is all included in the $2 billion price tag.

          Valid firearm licences as June 2010; 1,830,542
          Firearm licences refused since 2005; 2,428
          Firearm licences revoked since 2005; 11,192
          Firearms Registered as of June 2010; 7,514,385
          Firearm legally Transferred since 2007, approx 2 million.

          If you think $2 billion dollars over a 17 yr period is a waste then you believe people should be able to walk into any sporting store, purchase a firearm as if they're purchasing a computer. No screening of the customer, no firearm licence required and no safety training.

          • "The error is making the false allegation the Long gun registry alone cost 2 billion; when in fact the cost of the entire Canadian Firearms Program will be $2 billion over a 17 year period. The cost of issuing firearm licences, back ground checks, registering restricted firearms, non-restricted firearms, and prohibited firearms is all included in the $2 billion price tag. "

            Now it's evidently your turn to make an error.

            The long gun registry alone had already cost $1 billion by 2002 — a mere 9 years after its inception.

            You seem to be entitling yourself to the privilege of deducting the fees paid by Canadians from these totals.

            A fee paid to the government by a citizen is still a cost to citizens.

            But seeing as how you want to lob rabid accusations at people, let's take a look at the valid elements of gun control (screening, safety training) that you list here, and see if the long gun registry facilitates these things.

            Does it screen for criminal history or psychological defects? No, the individual already owns the weapon. The screening has presumably already been done.

            Does it facilitate the receipt of safety training? Nope. Again, that's part of the Possession and Aquisition License (PAL) process.

            Being an opponent of the long-gun registry entails opposition to neither of these things. Registration is a superfluous and wasteful layer of bureaucracy that does absolutely nothing to keep Canadians safe from guns.

          • I'm not deducting anything. You do not comprehend what I'm saying.

            Please show me the link from the Auditor general that states the Long gun registry I repeat the Long gun registry, (which is about issuing certificates for non-restricted firearms and storing them in the computers) cost $1 billion by 2002.

            The entire Canadian Firearms Program may have cost $1 billion by 2002.

            “The Firearms Investigative & Enforcement Services Directorate (FIESD) is another component of the CFP. FIESD's highly qualified firearms specialists are dispersed across Canada. They offer direct investigative and technical support to law enforcement in areas such as firearms tracing, classification, tracking, analysis and intelligence. These specialists, who offer a broad range of firearms expertise, play an integral role in investigating illicit firearms trafficking and combating organized crime and terrorism in Canada.”

            The cost of this special unit comes from the billion dollars spend.

          • If the long gun registry is scrapped what will be the savings and what will be left of the Canadian Firearms Program?

            I never claimed that the long gun registry was about screening and obtaining a firearm licence, or safety courses.
            I said the long gun registry was part of the Canadian Firearms Program, One billion spend on the CFP; http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm) go and read about the CFP and see what the billion dollars was spend on. It wasn't all on the long gun registry.

            If you claim the long gun registry alone is a billion dollars than what's the cost for the restricted firearms registry, the cost for issuing firearm licences, the computer cost, etc?

            According to the RCMP the long gun registry alone cost 4 million a year.

          • The Registrar of Firearms is notified of all licence revocations, is responsible for revoking all associated registration certificates, and works to ensure proper disposal of the firearms.

            Ok if the long gun registry is scrapped how will the Registrar of Firearms do his job of ensuring the people who own long guns and had their firearm's licence revoked, have their firearms properly disposed?
            Without long gun certificates there won't be records/evidence of how many long guns a person has in their possession.

            Do you expect people who had their firearms licence revoked to just volunteerly turn in all of their long guns? Some may legally transfer them but lets face it.

          • Firearm licences revoked since 2005; 11,192 . Not everyone who had their firearms licence revoked owns long guns, but I would guess fair number.

            You have no problems with the long guns disappearing and going into the black market?
            A person can sell his long gun to a person who doesn't have a firearms licence. Without the cetificate how would the authorities trace the firearm back to the original owner?

          • You clearly need to go back to the drawing board and do your research. You're still in error.

          • Show me the error, give me the link. Of course you can't.

          • I've already pointed out your error.

            As for tracking down links, I'm busy. Bugger off.

          • You can't prove the long gun registry cost a billion dollars. Because you are wrong.
            You don't have a clue what your talking about.
            Busy? Spreading more BS

          • Still haven't answered my question.

            If Joe Blow had his firearm licence revoked, (he was deemed to be a threat to public safety), how can you guarantee all his long guns will be legally transferred, or disposed?

            Firearm licences revoked since 2005; 11,192

          • Currently you must take firearms safety training to obtain "ANY" firearms licence. AND if you try to purchase a restricted firearm you will be checked out by the RCMP, "as always since the dawn of time" before you can take possession of the restricted firearm. They will more than likely contact your current or past spouses and check any court records concerning you. If the long gun registry is scrapped you will still need a licence to purchase a firearm and sale of the firearm will be recorded at the place of purchase as it has always been. These records must be kept at the store.

  2. Gaudet was reluctant to criticize the federal government's package of "tough on crime" legislation, even though, by the government's own admission, there is no data to indicate that the new laws will reduce crime in Canada—while the cost of building new prisons and increasing sentences is estimated at $10 billion

    “I find that type of question [of whether the fighter jets are needed] usually to be the type of refrain from those interests who generally…don't like Harper, period,” said Gaudet. Opposition comes “from a bunch of people who like to pretend to think they're experts on the unique service requirements of the Canadian Air Force, as if they had some unique perspective into the minds of the generals that run the show,” he said.

    Kevin Gaudet an expert on the unique service requirements for police officer across Canada. He has a uniquie perspective into the minds of the High Ranking RCMP that run the show.

    • Criminal justice and defence are core responsibiities of government.

      You may prefer a government that wastes money on leftist utopian boilerplate while neglecting its core responsibilities. Gaudet is correct in not joining you, or any of your fellow lemmings.

  3. Allow me to correct Commissioner Elliott: the rhetoric of the long gun registry's supporters SUGGESTS the registry has been useful.

    There are no facts to support these claims.

    • The registry not useful?
      Explain how the Registrar of Firearms would perform his task without the registry?

      The Registrar of Firearms is notified of all licence revocations, is responsible for revoking all associated registration certificates, and works to ensure proper disposal of the firearms.

      Total number of firearm licences revoked since 2005- 11,192.

      Before you claim I don't know the difference between a firearm licence and a registration certificate.

      A firearms licence shows that the licence holder has met certain public-safety criteria and is allowed to possess and use firearms. A registration certificate identifies a firearm and links the firearm to its owner to provide a means of tracking the firearm.

      • *snicker*

        I hate to break this to you, but once the long gun registry is revoked, hand guns and restricted weapons will still have to be registered with the government.

        • Register the damn weapons. It is just a license, and it appears to help the RCMP in finding the evil doers, what is the problem? Two billion dollars was spent on a summit in which the statement that came out at the end was the same as that going in, agreeing to disagree on the ending of each country's stimulus package. That colossal waste of taxpayers money was plain sinful.

          • Wrong.

            A license and a registration are two separate things.

            One can possess a PAL and not own a weapon.

            And no long gun registry proponent can provide so much as a single example of the registry preventing a crime, or helping the police find an "evil doer". Not one.

  4. There has been to date only one other country to initiate gun control. You may be suprised to know that country was Germany during Adolf Hitlers term.A lot of good that did there, hey boys. Here in Canada it has become cost prohibative and ineffectual as only law abiding citizens took the time to register under the threat of losing their firearms. If the RCMP maintained registry of offenders the registry would only be 10% of what it is now for long guns and much quicker to review and confront the real criminals.

    • Australia, India, Brazil, Austria, Czech Republic, Britain, Ireland, Finland, Japan, Italy, New Zealand, pre-and-post Third Reich Germany, (and those were just the ones I could quickly look up) all have gun control legislation/enforcement, so your assertion is mistaken.

      It could be good though, to see those convicted of gun crimes have to register upon release.

  5. Revocation of a firearms licenses is a relevant thing only when you consider that my license was revoked because I was out of the counrty when my renewal became due. So, of the 11,000 or so revocations, mine was included not because of any law infringment or elligability on my behalf but for some strange reason I am in the number as if to justfy the process and give the false impression the registry is working. What a crock!