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RCMP to name, shame grow-op owners in online list

List may not be accurate, Mounties admit


 

The RCMP is now publishing an online list of grow-ops and other houses where pot plants have been seized in Canada. The list, divided by province, features addresses, the number of plants snatched and the date the raids took place. Some other kinds of drug labs are also listed. The Mounties say the list is neither comprehensive, nor guaranteed to be accurate.

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RCMP to name, shame grow-op owners in online list

  1. Interesting. I don’t know if I fully agree with this tactic.
    What are the legal parameters this? That is, what is to stop the “other side” to set up their own website and list RCMP and local Police officers names and home addresses?
    Slippery slope / dangerous road

    • Well, if we are getting into naming and shaming, maybe the complaints department for the RCMP should publish all the names of the RCMP officers and the details of the complaints against them … it may not be accurate and the complaints may not have been pursued, but then at least we would all know what the RCMP is up to and whether the complaints have any merit ..

  2. Name and shaming simply ostracizes citizens the justice system is supposed to reintegrate into society. On the other hand running a grow up isn’t exactly a very shameful act.

  3. I expect a lawsuit or two if the list inaccurately identifies people or addresses.  For people that is defamation, and for houses that would negatively affect resale values.  So I’d say get the list right (i.e. only after successful convictions), or don’t publish it.

  4. This is great! With this list you can be anywhere in the country and easily know the closest house to go buy some weed.

    Can the RCMP please also publish a list of car dealerships selling stolen cars? I want to get a new 2012 Cadilac Escalade but I don’t want to pay full price.

    And how about a phone book of escorts? My new Escalade will have room for 8 people!!

    • Maybe you would like to buy one of those houses that was USED AS A GROWUP.  It is full of toxic mold, smart guy and is actually uninhabitable for humans but guess what….slap some stain retardant primer paint on it and no one will be the wiser until the new occupants (you and your wise-ass family) get really sick.  Listing houses used as grow-ops would be a public service.  Why do you some research first….and yah if a car was written off when stolen, you might want to know that too….again, a little bodywork and the car looks safe but is structurally unsound.

      • If informing potential buyers is the point, there are other ways to go about this.  Which isn’t to say some sort of listing can’t be part of it… but that list would 1) be 100% accurate, 2) list houses for more than just one year (because the ill effects of a grow-op can last much longer, 3) provide mechanisms for houses that have been cleaned/repaired by new owners or landlords (and inspected) to be removed from the list.

        This current initiative just sort of sounds like someone got all excited about CBSA publishing their list and wanted to jump on board.

        • Matt:  #1), There is NO MECHANISM to clean and repair grow-op houses.  Even if you strip them down to the joists (framing), there is often toxic mold there due to the amount of humidity cause by all those plants and the plastic that has been draped all over the house.  You might be able to salvage the foundation but that is it.  #2) Who could promise that anything is 100% accurate – if they are promising to announce how many plants they removed, along with the addresses – there is certainly a margain for error there – I would say that has to do with lessoning the likelihood of getting sued – however, if your house was falsely listed – I am sure you would have good grounds for suing  #3) I am sure they keep houses on the list for a year due to sheer volume across Canada.
          As I said to Phil below, I think you all being bambozzled by the Macleans title to this article…RCMP “shaming” growop owners.  Does Macleans’ writers have any idea how toxic these houses are?  These people aren’t living in the grow-op and people who buy the houses after the fact sometimes end up with lifelong lung problems (including in their children).

          • I really don’t care about the headline – the grow-op owners are not being shamed – getting caught with a grow-op would already have done that (if they care)… and I’d be curious to know how many grow-op owners actually own the house and are now trying to sell it. I just think the online list is a waste of time and resources. 

            If it’s true that a particular grow-op house can never be repaired, then it should be condemned.  If it’s not currently possible for a municipal inspector to check a house that’s been found to contain a grow-op, then finding a way to enable that would be a worthwhile effort.  Otherwise, we’re taking a health and building safety issue and completely bypassing the very capable institutions set up to deal with health and building safety issues.

            Regarding your third point: this is an online list which will (I would hope) be searchable by neighbourhood, address, etc… so volume is not an issue – MLS successfully maintains an online database of far more houses than we’d be talking about here.

            As for the accuracy, fair enough, nothing is foolproof… but a) going into it already stating that the data might not be accurate is a bit troubling, and b) posting that information online ensures that the most possible damage will be done by whatever inaccuracies there are.

          • These grow-ops are full of plants.  The so-called owners are often not caught.  They are often gangs that put the minimum downpayment down and assume the mortgage under a phoney name.  They steal the power off the pole – they are using a lot and don’t want the power company to get suspicious.  They often get caught by neighbors who are suspicious by their noctural visits and/or because they have a doberman in the heated garage and no one is ever there.  The cops clean the place out.  They may ore may not make an arrest.  The bank forecloses and needs to recoup its money so it does a cleanup and puts the house back on the market.

      • A good home inspector will be able to tell if a house was used as a grow-op.

        • Actually, if I am not mistaken Mike Holmes did a show on a home that was a grow-op one time and showed all the damage.
          As to the home inspector…if they replace the sheet rock and the insulation in the attic & wash things down, would they be able to tell?

  5. Indefensible. Ridiculous. Reckless.

  6. It’s just time for it to be legal! All of the time and effort that went in to compiling this list and busting all these grow ops could be better spent elsewhere, I’m looking at you Edmonton (35 murders oh no, 36). Legalize it and take the profits out of the hands of criminals and put it to use in our schools and hospitals. People are going to use it one way or another. 

    • How much time & money do you think goes into busting a grow-op and compiling a list?  Neighbors usually call due to bizarre behavior on the part of the grow-op operator and the power guys come out and realize that power is being stolen off the pole.  From there, they bust in and seize the plants.  No one lives there because the house is full of plants and mold.

  7. From a health standpoint, if the house was a grow-op, it is not suitable for inhabitation and therefore, this listing of addresses is actually a godsend.  It gives people the opportunity to check and see if houses they were plannng to buy are “on the list”.  There should be a list for cars that have been in accidents as well but it is buyer beware when you buy a used car…..at least in Alberta.  You have no idea if it has had structural damage in an accident and therefore will crumple in a fender-bender.

    • Concerning the grow-op houses I agree, but you’ll note that it says “and other houses where plants have been seized.”

      The problem with listing those houses is that many of them had only a couple plants being grown by those with a medical exception who grew one plant too many. Those houses aren’t toxic, and the people who own them certainly aren’t criminals.

      So I can partially agree and partially not.

      Additionally, the criminals won’t care if the houses are outed, they’ll just move somewhere else, while the innocent will care and will be affected very negatively.

      So as usual the innocent will be the ones that suffer from these types of moves.

      And it’s not like the RCMP hasn’t made numerous mistakes over the years, thus you can expect people who have absolutely nothing to do with this type of thing at all will also be affected.

      So I ask, what is the point really? It is the job of the RCMP to publically shame people?

      No it isn’t. Their job is to enforce the laws. There’s no law concerning this.

      • You notice though Phil, that the list will tell “how many plants were seized”.  That way, it will be pretty obvious that the house was used as a grow-op and should be torn down.  There have been horror stories of people who have purchased grow-op houses.  They have lost their money and have ended up very ill with long-term problems.
        I think it is possible the Macleans title to this article is misleading.

        • You’re not concerned the list may not be accurate? 

          • Depends on which part of the list is inaccurate.  If they took out 2000 plants and they say they took out 1800…nope, I am not concerned.  If they list your address instead of the neighbours, you can sue.
            It does concern me that there was never a way before to find out if the house you were interested in purchasing was used as a grow-op and is unsafe for people to live in.

          • Excellent point. I am on the fence about this as I don’t like the fact that as you mentioned it is very vague as to what is or isnt correct on the list etc. Home buyers deserve to know if the house they are buying has been used as a grow op due to the health concerns. However I think a review should be done to determine if this is in fact the best method of disseminating this information.

          • full disclosure can help fellow Canadians.

  8. Don’t just name and shame,deport!  Grow-ops are yet another burden foisted on the Canadian people because of mass immigration, especially from Asia. Asian gangsters consider Canadian law enforcement and justice to be a joke compared to what they’re used to at home.  The vast majority of grow-ops in this country are operated by recent immigrants from Asia and if you are offended by this, good!  The truth hurts and immigration hurts the Canadian people.  It’s time to hold pro-immigration activists politicians and activists accountable, especially if they are on the take from foreign gov’ts.

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