May called it



Waaaay back in October, when governments were actually elected, smiley Elizabeth May was the first party leader to call for a Liberal-NDP coalition government. Now she might get a senate seat for being so smart.


May called it

  1. When did she talk to Stephane Dion regarding a senate seat? Before or after the last election?

  2. “I’d be the only senator, in the Senate, that received a million votes …” Ms May, Dec 02 ’08

    Before Ms May is appointed Senator, I think she she read up on Canadian civics because it’s clear she doesn’t have a clue. Either she lives in a really large riding or she doesn’t understand how our system works because we only elect local MP’s, according to everyone who supports coalition.

    “We need to make it clear that the majority of Canadians want the coalition government … ” Ms. May Dec 02 ’08

    According to Angus Reid poll, the only numbers I have seen so far, 64% don’t want Dion as PM, 57% worried about BQ involvement and 37% oppose coalition. She’s lying about majority of Canadians want coalition but that’s standard operating procedure for all pols.

    On an aside not, doesn’t it say something about Dion that people are more worried about him becoming PM than they are about BQ and their influence?

  3. Uh jwl.. 37% dont oppose coalition:

    40% want a change in government as opposed to 35% who think Harper should stay.

    OF those asked what should happen next, 37% – the largest plurality – opted for a coalition government.

    I know conservatives like to mislead.. but try not to do so when published numbers repudiate very easily when you mislead people.

  4. For some reason I can’t stop laughing every time I look at that picture.

  5. “Uh jwl.. 37% dont oppose coalition”

    Scott Tribe

    Absolutely correct, I misread it. 35% want Cons to continue governing but it Angus Reid numbers does not say how many oppose coalition.

    “OF those asked what should happen next, 37% – the largest plurality – opted for a coalition government.”

    That’s red herring according to those who support coalition because pluralities do not matter. More people are against coalition than are for it and that’s all that matters apparently.

  6. Good for Elizabeth May. She certainly deserves a Senate seat, if not for the Green performance in the last election, than for her work with the Sierra Club.

    Also, we have been talking about having the privilege of naming unelected, skilled and talented individuals to his cabinet. This would be Dion’s opportunity to mimic Obama.

    Not to mention the there is a very recent precedent for this: Michael Fortier.

  7. Except that Michael Fortier was unskilled and not very talented.

  8. Also, does anyone have a link to the poll being referenced by jwl and Scott Tribe?

  9. Wassim

    Angus Reid poll on CTV.ca. Numbers released last night.

  10. How reliable are online polls?

  11. Clarence: Zing!

    Where is that truck with a 350 million bill on it anyway?

  12. @ Wassim –

    It depends on how the poll was conducted. If it is a sidebar poll (like the one here on this site), it is incredibly unreliable and self-selecting. If it is an online poll conducted by a reputable pollster, it will be more accurate, but should still be treated as less reliable than telephone polls. In the American election, the Zogby Interactive online polls were much less accurate than the Zogby telephone polls. So, you are probably looking at more of a 5 to 8 point margin of error, instead of the traditional 3 to 4%.

  13. @jwl

    So let us get this straight:

    37% for the coalition is a redherring because more people are against it but Stephen Harper getting 37% but not having the confidence of the House of Commons is legitimate?


  14. Clarence S

    I don’t know what you are asking me. If Harper loses power it will be technically legal because that’s how the GG decides after listening to her advisers once they have looked at the precedents and customs.

    I am making same argument as Coalition supporters do – 37% support Harper and 63% support anyone else during election six weeks ago, so that must mean their is strong desire for Dion as PM. Therefore, since only 37% of people support Coalition, that must mean 63% are against it and there is little support for Lib/NDP/BQ to usurp power.

    And Ms May, who said “We need to make it clear that the majority of Canadians want the coalition government …” is clearly out of touch with the people. She will make a wonderful Senator.

  15. May really shouldn’t be appointed to the Senate as a ‘thank you’ or whatever. I liked the talk about a transparent Senate appointment process, and I think it would be big of the coalition to appoint Conservatives as well. Ideally though, we are looking for less partisan Senators. What prevents a crisis between the Senate and the HoC is the reduced legitimacy of the Senate. It provides good advice, but should to some extent defer to the HoC. Stacking it with partisans is therefore useless. Better to appoint honourable, thoughtful people who may have varying political philosophies, but will stay above the petty tactics.

    Thus, May should not be appointed, as she is as partisan as things can get, being the leader of a party.

  16. If Mizz Liz really …. I mean, really … supports “the Coalition”, she should probably shut the hell up.

  17. And Ms May, who said “We need to make it clear that the majority of Canadians want the coalition government …

    Problem solved. Ask them. Hold an election.

    However, Dion and Layton both ruled out a coalition before the election, and it’s improper of them to topple the elected government 7 weeks after their respective defeats or victories, however you want to characterize it.

    But don’t create a coalition with an ineffective, incompetent Liberal leader who lead his party to its worst popular vote showing in history, and already tendered his resignation! With an inked deal signed by the Bloc Quebecois — separatists! — to support the government, in return for billions for Quebec (already confirmed) and expected to help the separatist movement (confirmed by both Duceppe and Parizeau). Canadians didn’t vote for that.

    That deal lasts for 18 months and not only will Canadians be stuck with the leadership of the man they repudiated, Dion (the Greens even had to pull their candidate from his riding so as not to unseat Dion), there will then be someone — who knows who — prime minister for at least another year under that deal! And the Canadian people don’t get to vote on this?

    It’s uncouth, unCanadian, and the people won’t stand for it. You will see. Soon.

  18. They already voted on it, Christoph. If you don’t like parliamentary government, perhaps you might try the States.

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