Should Toronto have two NHL teams?

If the rest of Canada doesn’t already hate Toronto for thinking it’s the centre of the universe, this story ought to do it. According to the Globe and Mail, NHL governors are talking informally about the possibility of placing a second hockey team in Toronto alongside the Maple Leafs. One source in the article reported that prospective owner Jim “I’ll eat my own pants to get a team” Balsillie might be rewarded with the new franchise after helping the Nashville Predators deal with their financial woes. But the big question is: Should Toronto have two NHL teams? As for a name, my choice is the Toronto 67′s. It will be a nice reminder that it’s been 41 years since the Leafs won Lord Stanley’s Cup.




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Should Toronto have two NHL teams?

  1. It has the market to fill the seats. But since a TV station can’t carry two simultaneous Saturday night hockey games, there’s no actual point to it.

  2. Yeah, cus there is only one TV Station in Toronto, right?

  3. One questions:

    Is Hamilton considered Toronto? Or would it be two downtown Toronto teams?

  4. I absolutely believe Toronto should have a second team and there should also be one in either Hamilton or Kitchener/Waterloo region.

    I don’t have any names to suggest but I like your ’67′s idea.

  5. Shouldn’t Toronto get one NHL team first?

  6. I couldn’t agree with you more Garnet. You can’t build a team around Grabovski!

  7. This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Southwestern Ontario can support a team. We have an owner ready to put his money down. So what’s the problem? Why does Toronto get to be involved AGAIN?

    If the NHL governors feel Hamilton will take Niagara region fans away from Buffalo, how about Guelph or Kitchener? And the bullcrap about New York not wanting to host some “small-town” team is plain stupid.

    We have a Florida team and a Tampa Bay team (also located in Florida if I remember correctly)

    So why can’t we have a Toronto Maple Leafs and an Ontario Blackberries? (name not important right now, it just oddly came to me for illustration purposes)

  8. No the reason to have two Toronto teams is so that CBC and TSN can broadcast only Toronto games (rather than 80% of the time like now). The other upside is that a few times per year they will be able to broadcast a Toronto vs. Toronto game in which a Toronto team has a 50-50 chance of winning.

  9. They absolutely should NOT have another team. Yeah, they have the population, but this is a NATIONAL league, not one that is to be centered in the largest markets, and shunned in the smaller, but no less passionate markets.

  10. “The other upside is that a few times per year they will be able to broadcast a Toronto vs. Toronto game in which a Toronto team has a 50-50 chance of winning.”

    Wouldn’t that be 100% chance of a TO team winning?

  11. Or you could have corrected it grammatically instead, Andrew, but thanks. :-)

  12. It makes too much sense to turn a perpetual headache like the Nashville Predators into a money making machine by moving it somewhere in southern Ontario, so it probably won’t happen.

    And Mother Pucker, it’s actually an international hockey league. But that’s ok, because it doesn’t matter a bit. Sticking a franchise where it won’t make money (e.g. Winnipeg, Quebec City, Nashville) is what got the NHL in trouble in the first place, remember?

  13. Well, I take issue when people say two teams each have a 50-50 chance of winning a game, just because there are two outcomes. It is unlikely the teams have equal chances of winning. I guess people confuse probability with opportunity.

  14. Those greedy near-beer merchants at the ACC don’t deserve squat. Please LET THEM DO NOT have a second team or sooner than you can say “offside economics” they will make the whole string of tickets for the second team as unreachable and unaffordable as those of the first, but not in play-off standing, team.

    Let Balsillie take the Predators to Hamilton. Let Hamilton develop a little. Encourage a little healthy rivalry with our pathetic home team. I thought this was supposed to be a free market.

  15. While Hamilton, Winnipeg, Quebec would be preferred, the big money says Toronto or southwestern Ontario (Kitchener-Waterloo)… Bettman and his buddies are all set to put hockey in that ‘hockey hotbed’ Las Vegas, so before they lose their shirts on that one and before the dollar gets back to peso level, best we move a team into the Toronto corridor. New York has the Rangers, Islanders and the Devils (across the river) so why not another team in TO? Of course, that will lead to Montreal’s second option, too.

  16. Clippers … Lakers … I’m in favour!

  17. comment by Gustav on Tuesday, October 21, 2008 at 3:14 pm:

    I thought this was supposed to be a free market.

    ****

    it’s a free market in that anyone can start a competing league and try to make it fly. it isn’t a free market in that anyone who wants to try to make an NHL team is allowed to have one, and have it wherever they want.

  18. this is 100% bs,the NHL is ashame of the Toronto Maple leafs, so theyll put in another team in Toronto to make up for the fact that they suck @#$&#, put a team in the maritimes or in hamilton or somewhere that the NHL isnt embarassed about. The NHL should have taken note about how well Halifax Hosted the WORlD CHAMPIONSHIP and brought it up for an expansion team ect. dissapointing

  19. Halifax? Are you serious? Where would they play? The city can’t even put together a bid for a CFL franchise, let alone an NHL club.

    Halifax is a great place, but there’s zero chance it can support an NHL team over the long term. The corporate base is too small.

  20. I agree that I’d rather see a team in Hamilton or K/W than another one in Toronto (though, honestly, like the NY/NJ area, Southern Ontario could easily support three teams, one in KW or Hamilton and a second team in T.O., so ideally they should do both – plus a team in Quebec City, a team in Winnipeg, and a team in the Maritimes – bye bye Nashville, Columbus, Florida, Atlanta…) but I get the feeling it’s not going to happen, and if anything the League’s governors are starting to talk more openly about putting a second team into the T-Dot in order to try to head off someone like Basillie buying a team and moving it to Hamilton or K/W. In other words, this is the compromise. We’ll let you move a team to southern Ontario, but it has to go to Toronto.

    Here’s a quote from the Globe story:

    The league will never allow Mr. Balsillie to put a team in Hamilton for two reasons, according to one governor. One is that the city would be a tough sell for U.S.-based teams, and the other, more significant reason, is the belief it would ruin the Buffalo Sabres.

    “It’s a minor-league town,” the governor said of Hamilton. “How could we sell a team from Hamilton? Do you think the New York Rangers want to put the Hamilton Steelers on their marquee at Madison Square Garden? Do you think anyone in Manhattan would buy tickets to see them?”

    Now, frankly, I don’t care what fans in Manhattan will or will not pay to see. How is that Hamilton or K/W’s problem??? But if that’s the feeling of governors in the league, then it makes getting a K/W or Hamilton team that much more difficult.

    Our only hope is that Balsillie sticks to his guns, manages to buy a team, and basically tells the League that he’s moving them to where HE wants to move them (K/W, with a stop in Hamilton while the arena’s being built) and that if they want to stop him they should try taking him to court.

    I’d love to see a team in K/W, but I’m not sure whether Mr. Balsillie is as committed to K/W as all that, or if he’d take a team in Toronto if that were a lot easier.

    Should be interesting to follow!

  21. For those who think another team in S. Ontario doesn’t make sense, may I suggest giving your head a shake?

    There are two teams in the L.A area, THREE teams in the N.Y. area, and two teams in FLORIDA for God’s sake. I think there’s no doubt whatsoever that Southern Ontario could support another TWO teams. And with the dollar where it’s at now, Quebec City and Winnipeg probably could too.

    Not to say it’s going to happen, but at least today’s stories are the first sign of cracks in the league that governors are starting to say “Bettman, your American strategy has FAILED. Time to bring some teams home to Canada and stop trying to sell the game in areas where people are consistently not buying!!!

  22. The question isn’t people available to fill seats in Toronto. It’s TV viewership and the leafs territorial entitlement. There will be no team in Toronto unless the Leafs say so. There may not even be another team in Kitchener unless the Leafs say so, depending on where the territory ends.

  23. Yeah they were in trouble in Winnipeg, but thats when the league as a whole wasn’t doing too hot, and they were more concerned with expanding to the sunbelt instead of taking care of what it had. I do believe that Winnipeg will be able to support a team.

  24. In regards to the notion of Hamilton or K/W being too “backwater” the team could aslo be referred to as being from “Toronto” or “Ontario” and be based somewhere in the suburban mire of the GTA. Many pro sports teams in the USA that bear the name of a city are actually located well off in the city’s general area.

  25. And further to the idea that New York hockey fans would baulk at playing Hamilton (or K/W). They might be New Yorkers, but they’re HOCKEY FANS! So hockey fans would rather watch the Nashville team (big hockey heritage there!) or Las Vegas????

  26. Give a team back to Winnipeg or Quebec City. While many Canadians are passionate about hockey, many of us can’t afford to fill a 20,000 seat arena night in, night out. Just save us from more media in Toronto.

    ( a depressed Leafs fan)

  27. “If the NHL governors feel Hamilton will take Niagara region fans away from Buffalo, how about Guelph or Kitchener?.”

    Yeah, I’m all for a second Ontario team, esp. in Kitchener-Waterloo. I think that’s a large enough market to support an NHL team, especially since everyone from Mississauga, Burlington, Guelph and Hamilton who can’t even dream about a Leaf ticket can just take an hour drive and go see the game.

    And if it does have to be a second “Toronto” team, let there be a separate arena built, somewhere in Mississauga or Milton or Oakville – something along a GO train line, so it can get traffic from the fatcats in downtown Toronto.

    Go Ontario Blackberries!

    Also, let those stupid small-market teams with arenas surrounded by palm tress JUST DIE. This will necessitate an increase in the salary cap, and the Leafs can become the fat salary team they’re supposed to be.

  28. “There may not even be another team in Kitchener unless the Leafs say so, depending on where the territory ends.

    Territory ends just at Kitchener.

  29. Those cities should absolutely get hockey teams again, but only if the market can support them.

  30. comment by Pete on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 at 9:18 am:

    “There may not even be another team in Kitchener unless the Leafs say so, depending on where the territory ends.

    Territory ends just at Kitchener.

    *

    I have heard this numerous times, but I have also heard that it is a contractual secret and that the Kitchener boundary is just guesswork. Is there an authoritative source somewhere?

  31. Reality is reality.

    If the Leafs can sell out and dominate the national broadcasting despite having such a crappy team year after year, then clearly there is room for another team.

    Population wise, the city has more than double the population of many other NHL cities.

    Anf finally, as mentioned above, if LA and Florida each have two teams, then it makes you wonder why Toronto does not have two teams already.

  32. st.pats old school green and white bring back the 20′s go toronto go 2 TEAMS!!!!!!!!

  33. OR HAMILTON

  34. HAMILTON

  35. HAMILTON, ONTARIO, CANADA

  36. GO HAMILTON GO

  37. OR THE QUEBEC NORDICS

  38. SF: If the Leafs can sell out and dominate the national broadcasting despite having such a crappy team year after year, then clearly there is room for another team.

    Sorry, sf, you’re a bit backwards here. the second half of your conditional phrase goes first: The Leafs are a crappy team year after year BECAUSE they can sell out and dominate the national media despite having a crappy team.

  39. OR THE WINNIPEG JETS

  40. BUT I LIKE HAMILTON

  41. I REALLY REALLY LIKE HAMILTON

  42. I REALLLY REALLY LIKE HAMILTON ALOT

  43. Nurse! A vial of Ativan for patient Hull in bed three, stat!

  44. BUT IF TORONTO HAS TWO THAT WOULD BE THE SHIT

  45. THE GOOD SHIT

  46. LIKE THE SHIT THAT YOU CAN SMOKE

  47. LIKE SMOKIN A BLUE MAPLE LEAF

  48. Wow, nothing! Nurse, prepare the Haldol, call the restraint orderlies, and get me Anesthesia on the phone!

  49. THEY COULD STILL BE THE MAPLE LEAFS THEY WOULD JUST CHANGE TO RED INSTEAD OF BLUE

  50. CANADA NEED ANOTHER TEAM IN THE NHL

  51. TORONTO IS HOCKEY TOWN

  52. TORONOTO IS THE TOWN FOR HOCKEY

  53. SAME WITH HAMILTON THEY’RE HOCKEY TOWN TOO!

  54. TORONTO 67S

  55. TORONTO 67′s

  56. TORONTO 67″s

  57. TORONTO 67s

  58. TORONTO 67′s

  59. TORONTO 67′s

  60. Toronto

  61. Wesley, get that typing impediment looked at.
    My vote is for
    Toronto Tinhorns

  62. Thank you everyone, code is over. Dr. Propofol, feel free to dial up the halothane concentration if he so much as twitches in the next hour…

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  64. Lets be serious. Toronto, Kitchener-Waterloo and Winnipeg all deserve teams.

    Gary Bettman’s experiment in the sunbelt was a massive failure. There is no reason why there are teams in places where only 8000 people show up, when there are Canadian towns that would sell-out arenas every night.

  65. Im a major leaf fan and if there doing bad enough with one team already they would be even worse fighting over ice times with another team. but i still think canada should get another hockey team, maybe if we get a team in kitchener or another team in quebec like before or even hamilton would be great. but we will see what happens

  66. PUT ANOTHER TEAM IN TORONTO FOR SURE…TO THE PERSON WHO SAID TO PUT A TEAM IN THE MARITIMES, YOU GOTTA BE F**KIN R*TARDED……ALL 4 MARITIME PROVINCES PUT TOGETHER ARE SMALLER IN POPULATION THAN THE CITY OF TORONTO (THATS CITY LIMITS NOT GTA) SO THEY CAN SUCK A COD FISH IF THEY THINK THATS GUNNA FILL ARENAS.

  67. The only possible markets for the NHL in Canada that don’t have a team is: Quebec City, Winnipeg and Hamilton. All three cities have a metro population in the 700,000 range.

    Any other Canadian city is way too small to have an NHL franchise.

  68. I think there should be 2 teams in Toronto. Right now everyone is saying in my school there should me 2 Toronto’s. I think a good name for Toronto is The Toronto Wild Cats or the Toronto Tigers. But Toronto 67′s is a good name too. Please respond what you think.

    Thanks,

    Joshawa

  69. I think there should be two Toronto teams: the Maple Leafs being one of course, as long as cities like Winnipeg (first) and Quebec City get teams before that. I think two Toronto teams could be viable because Toronto fans are some of the most rabid fans in the NHL. It would work for the league economically, at least better than the Deep South.

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