Supreme Court sides with unilingual traffic ticket claim

Alberta man should have received ticket in both official languages

The Supreme Court of Canada has agreed with an Alberta man that his ticket for an illegal left turn should be thrown out because it wasn’t offered in both official languages. The judges also said he deserves to have his legal costs reimbursed for raising an “important constitutional issue.” In a similar case last week, a New Brunswick judge acquitted a man of drunk driving after he claimed he wasn’t offered the option to be arrested in English. That’s despite the fact that the man, Donat Robichaud, is a francophone who lives in a predominantly French-speaking area of the province and he understood the police’s instructions.

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  1. While I'm tempted to take the 'common-sense' approach that both of these cases are frivolous to the highest degree (and quite probably an unethical manipulation of our legal system), I must concede that such procedural cases are quite important, as they do set precedence for subsequent issues which are not nearly so obvious.

  2. While I'm tempted to take the 'common-sense' approach that both of these cases are frivolous to the highest degree (and quite probably an unethical manipulation of our legal system), I must concede that such procedural cases are quite important, as they do set precedence for subsequent issues which are not nearly so obvious.

    • Personally, I hope they set the precedent for our government to re-examine official bilingualism. I'd much prefer a multi-lingual nation, where it's up to the individual to make the effort to understand any of the languages our country recognizes as official.

    • Agreed about the importance of these procedural cases BUT I can only imagine the backlash this is going to cause in majority-english provinces. Lord knows Quebec will never allow the excuse that rights were not read in English so why should Alberta have to read them in French? Constitution allows loopholes for language rights – prairie provinces should take that into consideration and make sure this french bs doesn't happen again.

      • Well, if the precedent is set in Alberta/NB, perhaps that will mean that you *can* fight a ticket in Quebec because you weren't read your rights in English. Hopefully that precedent has been set.

        • I hope your both right. This is a stupid one sided case that should never have happened.

      • This is how they start it! Build the areas up and change the majority laws for the minority immigrants. Meanwhile there is only one bilingual province in the country and the French one is causing more shit than you can shake a stick at. Campbellton, NB went totally French – From a once English majority!!! French hospital, French college and no work for Hinglish Honly!!! This is based on hatred of anything British and won’t go away! Next there will be a SAAB to go with the SANB. Probably already is.

  3. Two Words: B___ S___. Frivolity at its highest, and a total abuse of our legal system. These individuals are effectively spitting in the face of all Canadians, as it is the taxpayer that is funding this little side show. If you're guilty, you're guilty; all technicalities aside.

    Question: was is the individuals or the lawyers that came out with this ingenious abuse of common sense.

  4. Two Words: B___ S___. Frivolity at its highest, and a total abuse of our legal system. These individuals are effectively spitting in the face of all Canadians, as it is the taxpayer that is funding this little side show. If you're guilty, you're guilty; all technicalities aside.

    Question: was is the individuals or the lawyers that came out with this ingenious abuse of common sense.

    • Let's face it. Some judges are blithering idiots.

      • I hope you'll have enough guts to say this to the judge if you ever experience the pleasure to appear in court!!!!

  5. Next time I am stopped for anything by an English speaking Officer I will be sure to ask that he speak to me in french and vice versa. Except if I am in BC or Ottawa because then tey will kick the crap out of me and say I was a threat or "acting in an agressive manner"

  6. Personally, I hope they set the precedent for our government to re-examine official bilingualism. I'd much prefer a multi-lingual nation, where it's up to the individual to make the effort to understand any of the languages our country recognizes as official.

  7. Next time I am stopped for anything by an English speaking Officer I will be sure to ask that he speak to me in french and vice versa. Except if I am in BC or Ottawa because then tey will kick the crap out of me and say I was a threat or "acting in an agressive manner"

  8. OMG….this is the highest form of stupidity I have heard today regarding our court system…so because the knuckleheads weren't read the charges in both official languages, the fact that they broke the @$&%en law never HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!

  9. OMG….this is the highest form of stupidity I have heard today regarding our court system…so because the knuckleheads weren't read the charges in both official languages, the fact that they broke the @$&%en law never HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!

    • Yup, that drunk driver in NB got off on a idiotic technicality. Maybe we will hear about him again when he kills someone while driving drunk.

      • There will be a technicality for that too. The current "legal" system is all about technicalities.

  10. What a load of crap,if this happend in Quebec and it was the other way
    round it would be thrown out of court.I nine provences we have to be
    bilingual,then there's Quebec

  11. What a load of crap,if this happend in Quebec and it was the other way
    round it would be thrown out of court.I nine provences we have to be
    bilingual,then there's Quebec

    • Quebec doesn't have to be bilingual.
      It IS bilingual.
      Or at least Montreal is.

      • Quebec at large is totally unilingual, and the amount of hatred endured by those who speak English is astonishing. If Quebec had its way, Montreal would be unilingual too – English speaking residents in Montreal are systematically marginalized and disrespected, except for within isolated pockets of culture such as Universities.

        Don't believe me? Look at these web sites:
        http://www.montrealfrancais.info/ http://lequebecois.actifforum.com/

        or just move here and try to: access public services, or take the metro, or use a library, or open a business, or strike up a conversation with a stranger…

      • WHAT? Quebec hates bilingual – says it waters down their French! Montreal has a large English population that has been robbed of their constitutional rights and suffer from bigot slants and abuses every day…

  12. Alberta is not a bilingual province and unless I have missed something, traffic laws are not a Federal area therefore this should never have been allowed to reach the Supreme Court. This is an absolute waste of time and resources and the highest court in the land should not be ruling on such issues.

    • I agree with that analysis. What this decision now means is that Alberta cops, most of whom don't understand two words of French, will be issuing tickets in French and English to Alberta residents, most of whom, likewise, don't understand two words of French – otherwise, the ticket is invalid. It's stupid. Just imagine how many forms and how much software is going to have to be updated to ensure that charges under provincial law are handed out in a second language that most residents of the province don't understand. The decision makes an ass of what is arguably an important constitutional principle.

    • I suggest that you take a law course …. so your future opinions would be more articulated!!!!

      • @ Irishgoon:
        If you disagree with Mik's last statement, I suggest you shut up with your stupid idiotic PC opinions.

        • The only yhing I'm not is a P.C. , you are the idiot….you certainly need an education.

          • @Irishgoon…..so your not a P.C….but are you PC as Canuckguy suggests?, I'm not sure which one is worse !

          • Whatever………!!!!!!!

          • And yet another intelligent response by the '' Irishgoon '' ………

  13. Alberta is not a bilingual province and unless I have missed something, traffic laws are not a Federal area therefore this should never have been allowed to reach the Supreme Court. This is an absolute waste of time and resources and the highest court in the land should not be ruling on such issues.

  14. Agreed about the importance of these procedural cases BUT I can only imagine the backlash this is going to cause in majority-english provinces. Lord knows Quebec will never allow the excuse that rights were not read in English so why should Alberta have to read them in French? Constitution allows loopholes for language rights – prairie provinces should take that into consideration and make sure this french bs doesn't happen again.

  15. "The law is an ass." – Charles Dickens knew what he was talking about.

  16. "The law is an ass." – Charles Dickens knew what he was talking about.

  17. This story isn't correct. The traffic ticket was not thrown out. The government of Alberta has to pay, in advance, some of his legal fees.

    • I doubt that they'd report the ticket was thrown out if there hadn't been a ruling yet. This is the rest of the story you're referring to..

      • Well, they did. Every other media outlet I've checked seems to have got it more or less right, but this mini-article here has it wrong.

  18. This story isn't correct. The traffic ticket was not thrown out. The government of Alberta has to pay, in advance, some of his legal fees.

  19. Really bad decision. I think that because Alberta is not constitutionally bilingual in the federation and that the highway Safety Code is provincial law, the ticket should be in English only.

    The situation is different in New Brunswick as the province is the only constitutionally bilingual province in the federation.

    The "Alberta man" mentioned in the article was in fact from Quebec (Giles Caron!). To you Giles Caron : Acknowledge the fact that Quebec is not the center of the universe and that if you want to be served in French, stay in Quebec. I am myself from Quebec (quite ashamed) and speak English in Alberta where I now live.

    • I sincerely doubt this had anything to do with the fact that Mr. Caron was uncomfortable with the language, when it comes down to it. For all we know, he had an uncomfortable experience with the law enforcement officer, the lower-level courts, or something else that caused him to get annoyed enough to dedicate a large part of his life to bringing this case all the way through the system. This may have been the only route available to him, from a legal perspective. Who knows?

      I mean, seriously, who wants to dedicate this much of their life to fighting a traffic ticket? I tried it once, with moderate success, but it stole three hours of my life that I'll never get back. I certainly wouldn't have the patience to sit through multiple days, in multiple courtrooms, just for kicks. :)

      • Sometime, people do what is best to do. You have to live by your principles!!
        It's people like Gilles Caron that make the law change. Sometime, it's for the good of all Canadians. I agree with his actions, There is no place for second class of citizen in Canada when it come to enforcement of the law. Either it apply to everybody equally or it doesn't.

    • This is the most ridiculous opinion I have ever heard in the last decade! You are missing the point. The enforcement of the safety code by the police whether it is in Alberta or New Brunswick is the same. If the ticket is prosecuted as a criminal offence or quasi-criminal offence, in a criminal court (provincial), by a federal enforcement agency, the service offered to the motorist (e.i. the ticket) must be in the language of his choice.

      That is a constitutional right in Canada whether you are in Quebec, NB, NS or even Nunavut. The same logic apply also in Quebec and in N.B. If you are French/English you have the right to decide in what language you want to be served by the police. The RCMP can not assume your preference. Alberta is not an exception. Maybe some people like you are ashamed …it is very sad. I can tell you that I'm not ashamed of who I am. I'm proud to be bilingual and I used french and english in every provinces that I traveled to in Canada. I also expect to be respected everywhere I go.

      P.S. I'm not a Quebecer .

  20. Really bad decision. I think that because Alberta is not constitutionally bilingual in the federation and that the highway Safety Code is provincial law, the ticket should be in English only.

    The situation is different in New Brunswick as the province is the only constitutionally bilingual province in the federation.

    The "Alberta man" mentioned in the article was in fact from Quebec (Giles Caron!). To you Giles Caron : Acknowledge the fact that Quebec is not the center of the universe and that if you want to be served in French, stay in Quebec. I am myself from Quebec (quite ashamed) and speak English in Alberta where I now live.

  21. Quebec doesn't have to be bilingual.
    It IS bilingual.
    Or at least Montreal is.

  22. Well, if the precedent is set in Alberta/NB, perhaps that will mean that you *can* fight a ticket in Quebec because you weren't read your rights in English. Hopefully that precedent has been set.

    • Quebec will always be treated differently.  Don’t expect to see English on anything there, no matter how much French there is in the rest of Canada.  It’s only “racist” to exclude French, but not English.  But don’t get the idea that this is a double standard.

  23. I doubt that they'd report the ticket was thrown out if there hadn't been a ruling yet. This is the rest of the story you're referring to..

  24. Though I agree about raising the constitutional issue of not offering the charges in both official languages, what scares me is the case of drunk driving, which was thrown out because the officers wouldn't speak English to this man. He understood the instructions, he is fully billungual, yet the judge saw fit to throw the charges out. This is scary because it sets precedence. what's next, a murder charge being thrown out because the arresting officers refuse to speak in the murderer's language of choice?

  25. Though I agree about raising the constitutional issue of not offering the charges in both official languages, what scares me is the case of drunk driving, which was thrown out because the officers wouldn't speak English to this man. He understood the instructions, he is fully billungual, yet the judge saw fit to throw the charges out. This is scary because it sets precedence. what's next, a murder charge being thrown out because the arresting officers refuse to speak in the murderer's language of choice?

  26. Riddle me this? What if the cases had been murder? Would the same understanding apply?

    • If it had been murder, or any other of the extraordinary number of Criminal Code offences, then the accused's right to be tried in his or her official language of choice is covered by s.530 of the Code.

      Additionally, if it had been murder (or another of the fairly small number of offences listed in s.469), then it could only be tried by a Superior Court, which falls within the reach of the federal Official Languages Act. And for almost all other indictable offences, the accused may elect to be tried in a Superior Court.

  27. Riddle me this? What if the cases had been murder? Would the same understanding apply?

  28. I sincerely doubt this had anything to do with the fact that Mr. Caron was uncomfortable with the language, when it comes down to it. For all we know, he had an uncomfortable experience with the law enforcement officer, the lower-level courts, or something else that caused him to get annoyed enough to dedicate a large part of his life to bringing this case all the way through the system. This may have been the only route available to him, from a legal perspective. Who knows?

    I mean, seriously, who wants to dedicate this much of their life to fighting a traffic ticket? I tried it once, with moderate success, but it stole three hours of my life that I'll never get back. I certainly wouldn't have the patience to sit through multiple days, in multiple courtrooms, just for kicks. :)

  29. Mr. T is absolutely correct. The ticket was NOT THROWN OUT. Appears that our journalists cannot read. The ALBERTA QUEENS BENCH ordered that as there was a constitutional issue to be tried, some court costs for the defendant should be paid. That requirement was upheld in the Supreme Court.

    So what was the issue? The North‑West Territories Act (1886) and the Royal Proclamation of 1869 guaranteed French Language rights in Alberta. Caron is that the Alberta Languages Act (2000) is accordingly unconstitutional.

    Interesting argument – see where it goes. But for Gods sake, let's get the facts straight?

    • I agree with you some people write about stuff that they don't know!!!

      They should get the facts straight before giving an opinion.

      • I suggest you take your own advice.

  30. Mr. T is absolutely correct. The ticket was NOT THROWN OUT. Appears that our journalists cannot read. The ALBERTA QUEENS BENCH ordered that as there was a constitutional issue to be tried, some court costs for the defendant should be paid. That requirement was upheld in the Supreme Court.

    So what was the issue? The North‑West Territories Act (1886) and the Royal Proclamation of 1869 guaranteed French Language rights in Alberta. Caron is that the Alberta Languages Act (2000) is accordingly unconstitutional.

    Interesting argument – see where it goes. But for Gods sake, let's get the facts straight?

  31. I hope your both right. This is a stupid one sided case that should never have happened.

  32. This is awesome!! I'm heading out to Alberta right now and committing as many crimes as possible. En Français, naturellement.

    • Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vive les français d'Amérique!!

    • You might want to speak to a lawyer before you do that.

      Peut-être que vous voulez parler avec un(e) avocat(e) avant que vous faire ça.

  33. This is awesome!! I'm heading out to Alberta right now and committing as many crimes as possible. En Français, naturellement.

  34. Quebec at large is totally unilingual, and the amount of hatred endured by those who speak English is astonishing. If Quebec had its way, Montreal would be unilingual too – English speaking residents in Montreal are systematically marginalized and disrespected, except for within isolated pockets of culture such as Universities.

    Don't believe me? Look at these web sites:
    http://www.montrealfrancais.info/ http://lequebecois.actifforum.com/

    or just move here and try to: access public services, or take the metro, or use a library, or open a business, or strike up a conversation with a stranger…

  35. Judging by the negative Quebec comments and the disregard for our nation's laws, Quebec and other French Canadians must continue to be vigilant in assuring their constitutional rights are respected. If most English Canadians would finally accept the constitutional rights of French Canadians, there would be no right for them to fight as a principal. This ticket is not about abusing the system, it's about having your constitutional rights respected and honored.
    Fighting for one's rights is only necessary when the majority attempts to be oppressive. Disregard for French Canadian rights is the reason that fighting on principal is necessary.

    • One could argue that, as they refused to sign on to the Constitution, Quebecois have no constitutional rights.

      Just talkin', not sayin'…

      • That is a very simplistic way to see this but unfortunatly the constitution was proclaimed in Canada in 1982 and it applies to every provinces whether they agreed or not.

        • Come on Irishgoof… Pierre's Charter wasn't proclaimed, it was imposed!

      • Well, in the sense that anyone could argue anything at all if they really wanted to, then yes, I suppose one could argue that.

    • I agree totally with you.

    • with the same logic the english in quebec should fight for their rights ..perhaps the federal government should fund english rights groups so that we can overturn more of bill 101 which is a discriminatory law

  36. Judging by the negative Quebec comments and the disregard for our nation's laws, Quebec and other French Canadians must continue to be vigilant in assuring their constitutional rights are respected. If most English Canadians would finally accept the constitutional rights of French Canadians, there would be no right for them to fight as a principal. This ticket is not about abusing the system, it's about having your constitutional rights respected and honored.
    Fighting for one's rights is only necessary when the majority attempts to be oppressive. Disregard for French Canadian rights is the reason that fighting on principal is necessary.

  37. The poor reporting on story is highly misleading and makes our justice system look like a joke.

    The issue in this case was NOT the fact that the traffic ticket was in English only. Rather, it was a jurisdictional issue between courts (hence "an important constitutional issue"). The original case from which this jurisdictional issue arose was the accused challenging his traffic ticket and then claiming that the subsequent court proceedings were a nullity because the COURT DOCUMENTS were only in English.

    I suggest the producer/editor read–and understand–court decisions before they "report" on them. The decision is available here: http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2011/2011scc5/20

  38. I think while frivolous to the extreme it speaks to two issues we have in this country, what is our national identity, are we a bilingual country or multilingual country? If we are a multilingual country do we have an official language? Will this official language change as our population shifts towards predominately non English and non French first languages?
    What is a Canadian?
    The other issue is do we need to review our entire Legal system and push it into the 21st century. We certainly can't describe our system as a Justice system as witnessed in these two cases… The concept of justice is just that a concept we live in a society that bases so called justice on words and not actions.

    • You raise interesting points. And interestingly enough, I am from Brampton, and I was looking at the public service job postings and currently the courts are specifically looking to hire Punjabi, Hindi and Urdu speaking court officers, reporters, translators. So that they can cater to the huge and growing populations of Indian people in the Peel Region. I wouldn't be surprised if Vancouver probably has the court systems hiring Mandarin speaking court reporters and translators to cater to the huge Chinese population. In these cities where the French demographic is a huge minority, one tends to forget that French is OUR other official language.

  39. The poor reporting on story is highly misleading and makes our justice system look like a joke.

    The issue in this case was NOT the fact that the traffic ticket was in English only. Rather, it was a jurisdictional issue between courts (hence "an important constitutional issue"). The original case from which this jurisdictional issue arose was the accused challenging his traffic ticket and then claiming that the subsequent court proceedings were a nullity because the COURT DOCUMENTS were only in English.

    I suggest the producer/editor read–and understand–court decisions before they "report" on them. The decision is available here: http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2011/2011scc5/20

  40. I think while frivolous to the extreme it speaks to two issues we have in this country, what is our national identity, are we a bilingual country or multilingual country? If we are a multilingual country do we have an official language? Will this official language change as our population shifts towards predominately non English and non French first languages?
    What is a Canadian?
    The other issue is do we need to review our entire Legal system and push it into the 21st century. We certainly can't describe our system as a Justice system as witnessed in these two cases… The concept of justice is just that a concept we live in a society that bases so called justice on words and not actions.

  41. I agree with that analysis. What this decision now means is that Alberta cops, most of whom don't understand two words of French, will be issuing tickets in French and English to Alberta residents, most of whom, likewise, don't understand two words of French – otherwise, the ticket is invalid. It's stupid. Just imagine how many forms and how much software is going to have to be updated to ensure that charges under provincial law are handed out in a second language that most residents of the province don't understand. The decision makes an ass of what is arguably an important constitutional principle.

  42. Agreed

  43. Agreed

  44. For all those in support of this man's battle in the name of principle and rights, I have one simple question
    Would you be willing to pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars this could eventually amount to for this tool to fight a $54 ticket.
    No wonder our taxes are so high and our court system a joke.

    • Yes, as a tax payer I'm willig to pay. I'm sick & tired to listen to these absurd cost argument on bilinguism. What about the milions of dollars that Canadians will have to pay for the enviremental mess being created by the Aberta oil companies. Oh yeah, I forgot, Quebecers, New Brunswickers, Ontarians will have to pay for that also.

      It's not the justice system that is the problem …..it's the politicians that governs us.

      • No, I meant are you personally willing to fork over for this expense.
        It's easy to commit "Taxpayer" dollars to this, but I personally am tired of paying for other peoples "principles".
        By the way, you should do some reading on balance of transfer payments before you comment on the rest of Canada supporting Alberta. The numbers far from support this.
        Quebec & New Brunswick have long been net receivers in confederation.
        Ontario at least was a net contributor (admittedly not sure of their current balance).
        As to Alberta, we pay through the nose and have been for literally decades.

        • You are mixing apples with oranges!! The transfer payments has nothing to do with the cost burden passed over to the tax payers of each region of Canada. So if I follow your argument….why should we also pay for Steven Harper's right wing agenda.. e.i. new war helicopters, the Afghanistan, new prisons, stubbornness with regard to the pollution of the oil sands of Alberta etc. You are right, I'm sick & tired to pay for the growth of the Alberta's economy.

      • It is the Ontarians and Quebecers who use the most oil from Alberta so yeah…..I guess they should help to pay. And yeah, the politicians that drafted the constitution that resulted in this kind of BS are the ones to blame. Ever since then, lawyers have been trying to make a name for themselves (and pocket loads of cash) fighting these kinds of constitutional issues.

        Hey….maybe they (lawyers) can pay to clean up the environment with all the tax money they've scammed under the guise of upholding Canada's constitutional integrity.

    • If the outcome of this case would impact only on M. Caron, then you would be in the vicinity of having a point.

  45. For all those in support of this man's battle in the name of principle and rights, I have one simple question
    Would you be willing to pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars this could eventually amount to for this tool to fight a $54 ticket.
    No wonder our taxes are so high and our court system a joke.

  46. One could argue that, as they refused to sign on to the Constitution, Quebecois have no constitutional rights.

    Just talkin', not sayin'…

  47. This is the most ridiculous opinion I have ever heard in the last decade! You are missing the point. The enforcement of the safety code by the police whether it is in Alberta or New Brunswick is the same. If the ticket is prosecuted as a criminal offence or quasi-criminal offence, in a criminal court (provincial), by a federal enforcement agency, the service offered to the motorist (e.i. the ticket) must be in the language of his choice.

    That is a constitutional right in Canada whether you are in Quebec, NB, NS or even Nunavut. The same logic apply also in Quebec and in N.B. If you are French/English you have the right to decide in what language you want to be served by the police. The RCMP can not assume your preference. Alberta is not an exception. Maybe some people like you are ashamed …it is very sad. I can tell you that I'm not ashamed of who I am. I'm proud to be bilingual and I used french and english in every provinces that I traveled to in Canada. I also expect to be respected everywhere I go.

    P.S. I'm not a Quebecer .

  48. I agree with you some people write about stuff that they don't know!!!

    They should get the facts straight before giving an opinion.

  49. Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vive les français d'Amérique!!

  50. Well, they did. Every other media outlet I've checked seems to have got it more or less right, but this mini-article here has it wrong.

  51. Sometime, people do what is best to do. You have to live by your principles!!
    It's people like Gilles Caron that make the law change. Sometime, it's for the good of all Canadians. I agree with his actions, There is no place for second class of citizen in Canada when it come to enforcement of the law. Either it apply to everybody equally or it doesn't.

  52. "what a waste of skin!"

    What an unfortunate way to describe yourself…low self-esteem?

  53. "what a waste of skin!"

    What an unfortunate way to describe yourself…low self-esteem?

  54. Yes, as a tax payer I'm willig to pay. I'm sick & tired to listen to these absurd cost argument on bilinguism. What about the milions of dollars that Canadians will have to pay for the enviremental mess being created by the Aberta oil companies. Oh yeah, I forgot, Quebecers, New Brunswickers, Ontarians will have to pay for that also.

    It's not the justice system that is the problem …..it's the politicians that governs us.

  55. I suggest that you take a law course …. so your future opinions would be more articulated!!!!

  56. That is a very simplistic way to see this but unfortunatly the constitution was proclaimed in Canada in 1982 and it applies to every provinces whether they agreed or not.

  57. I agree totally with you.

  58. Maybe you should travel a little bit . You have a very low self-esteem!!!!

  59. Maybe you should travel a little bit . You have a very low self-esteem!!!!

  60. If it had been murder, or any other of the extraordinary number of Criminal Code offences, then the accused's right to be tried in his or her official language of choice is covered by s.530 of the Code.

    Additionally, if it had been murder (or another of the fairly small number of offences listed in s.469), then it could only be tried by a Superior Court, which falls within the reach of the federal Official Languages Act. And for almost all other indictable offences, the accused may elect to be tried in a Superior Court.

  61. If the outcome of this case would impact only on M. Caron, then you would be in the vicinity of having a point.

  62. Well, in the sense that anyone could argue anything at all if they really wanted to, then yes, I suppose one could argue that.

  63. OK I,M FRENCH . CANADA BORN. FRENCH SCHOOL. LEARNED ENGLISH AFTER GRADE 5. EVERY SPEEDING TICKET I GOT IN ENGLISH I PAID BECAUSE IT WAS MY FAULT. IF YOU DID WRONG FRENCHY , PAY THE DAMN TICKET ..BE A MAN NOT AN ASSHOLE.

    • Veuillez arrêter de crier.

      • craigola…une bonne…lol…

    • If you anything to say of value. Just shut up. Wonder who is the asshole?

      • Stop wondering irishgoof, the A-hole is you.

  64. OK I,M FRENCH . CANADA BORN. FRENCH SCHOOL. LEARNED ENGLISH AFTER GRADE 5. EVERY SPEEDING TICKET I GOT IN ENGLISH I PAID BECAUSE IT WAS MY FAULT. IF YOU DID WRONG FRENCHY , PAY THE DAMN TICKET ..BE A MAN NOT AN ASSHOLE.

  65. You might want to speak to a lawyer before you do that.

    Peut-être que vous voulez parler avec un(e) avocat(e) avant que vous faire ça.

  66. No, I meant are you personally willing to fork over for this expense.
    It's easy to commit "Taxpayer" dollars to this, but I personally am tired of paying for other peoples "principles".
    By the way, you should do some reading on balance of transfer payments before you comment on the rest of Canada supporting Alberta. The numbers far from support this.
    Quebec & New Brunswick have long been net receivers in confederation.
    Ontario at least was a net contributor (admittedly not sure of their current balance).
    As to Alberta, we pay through the nose and have been for literally decades.

  67. Do they not speak to you in your official language of choice?

  68. Do they not speak to you in your official language of choice?

  69. Veuillez arrêter de crier.

  70. The truth is that while this person was bilingual, the policeman could have just as easily stopped someone who only spoke French. I am sure they have French-speaking police on the forces in Alberta or they have people who can interpret. In this case, the officer clearly didn't feel it was necessary to get someone else. In a serious crime, that would not be the case.

  71. Ha! Ha! Don't get upset, you gotta admit this is funny, especially the one in New Brunswick. If you saw this in a comedy film you'd laugh…

  72. Ha! Ha! Don't get upset, you gotta admit this is funny, especially the one in New Brunswick. If you saw this in a comedy film you'd laugh…

  73. If you anything to say of value. Just shut up. Wonder who is the asshole?

  74. You are mixing apples with oranges!! The transfer payments has nothing to do with the cost burden passed over to the tax payers of each region of Canada. So if I follow your argument….why should we also pay for Steven Harper's right wing agenda.. e.i. new war helicopters, the Afghanistan, new prisons, stubbornness with regard to the pollution of the oil sands of Alberta etc. You are right, I'm sick & tired to pay for the growth of the Alberta's economy.

  75. There are judges out there who just missed their student activism days that they just can't help practice some at court. For some of them "spirit of the law" – who cares, and as to common sense – depends on their current mood. One good example on this is the New Brunswick case. As for Alberta's case, does anybody know whether the man involved can speak and understand English? Judges should resign from their posts if they wish to be politicians, or we could elect them like politicians?

  76. There are judges out there who just missed their student activism days that they just can't help practice some at court. For some of them "spirit of the law" – who cares, and as to common sense – depends on their current mood. One good example on this is the New Brunswick case. As for Alberta's case, does anybody know whether the man involved can speak and understand English? Judges should resign from their posts if they wish to be politicians, or we could elect them like politicians?

  77. This is such a stupid topic. The french dude was in Edmonton for whatever reason probably to make money.He can go home I hope and let Alberta pay for his stupidity because he can't even understand basic street signs. Stop driving and don't force to learn or print everything in french. I hope you go to the states they will just throw you in jail.

    • Steve,
      The guy is not a French dude, he is a Canuck! And you need to do a better job of proofing your posts.

  78. This is such a stupid topic. The french dude was in Edmonton for whatever reason probably to make money.He can go home I hope and let Alberta pay for his stupidity because he can't even understand basic street signs. Stop driving and don't force to learn or print everything in french. I hope you go to the states they will just throw you in jail.

  79. Let's face it. Some judges are blithering idiots.

  80. Yup, that drunk driver in NB got off on a idiotic technicality. Maybe we will hear about him again when he kills someone while driving drunk.

  81. @ Irishgoon:
    If you disagree with Mik's last statement, I suggest you shut up with your stupid idiotic PC opinions.

  82. I would just like to point that frivolous cases don't come before the Supreme Court of Canada. [There are some exceptions, but they're appeals as of right rather than w/leave].

  83. I would just like to point that frivolous cases don't come before the Supreme Court of Canada. [There are some exceptions, but they're appeals as of right rather than w/leave].

    • Whoops! Apparently the article is completely wrong about the court and the result!

      • Not quite; the Supreme Court of Canada DID just issue a ruling in relation to this case. It wasn't a final determination of the case, and it bore no resemblance to the description found in the first sentence in the article (of a whopping two that were actually purportedly about the case), but I guess that's journalism for you.

  84. Whoops! Apparently the article is completely wrong about the court and the result!

  85. Not quite; the Supreme Court of Canada DID just issue a ruling in relation to this case. It wasn't a final determination of the case, and it bore no resemblance to the description found in the first sentence in the article (of a whopping two that were actually purportedly about the case), but I guess that's journalism for you.

  86. The provinces can over rule the decision by invoking the notwithstanding clause I believe.

  87. The provinces can over rule the decision by invoking the notwithstanding clause I believe.

    • That is certainly false in the case of the decision the Court actually made (which had to do with the power of Superior Courts to order costs in matters before a Provincial Court), and almost certainly false in the case of the decision you think the Court made.

      • I agree with you. the notwithstanding clause do not applies.

      • I agree with you. It does'nt apply.

  88. More fun times in the Cult of Trudeauvia, formally the English speaking country of Canada. Why we don't get rid of State imposed French is a mystery. 40 years and 100's of billions of dollars later, wasted away on a ridiculous social engineering scheme to impose a French speaking State, along with "special" status designation. Judicial activist, idiocy from the sorcerers of Pierre's "Supreme Court" dictating social policy to 85 % of the country that can't speak French, while Quebec is a unilingual French State complete with revisionist historical denial and language laws that ban the use of English. The witches and sorcerers appointed to Pierre's "Supreme Court" also ruled that Bill 101 was unconstitutional, but that didn't stop the Bill from being wielded like a weapon, so I propose that every Province draw up their own English Bill 101. Do what Quebec does, except instead of banning English, ban French. Or else we could just get rid of Pierre Trudeau's imposed French Language Act and his warped, imposed Charter. Free Canada from the deranged, indoctrinated lunacy of the Cult of Trudeauvia.

  89. More fun times in the Cult of Trudeauvia, formally the English speaking country of Canada. Why we don't get rid of State imposed French is a mystery. 40 years and 100's of billions of dollars later, wasted away on a ridiculous social engineering scheme to impose a French speaking State, along with "special" status designation. Judicial activist, idiocy from the sorcerers of Pierre's "Supreme Court" dictating social policy to 85 % of the country that can't speak French, while Quebec is a unilingual French State complete with revisionist historical denial and language laws that ban the use of English. The witches and sorcerers appointed to Pierre's "Supreme Court" also ruled that Bill 101 was unconstitutional, but that didn't stop the Bill from being wielded like a weapon, so I propose that every Province draw up their own English Bill 101. Do what Quebec does, except instead of banning English, ban French. Or else we could just get rid of Pierre Trudeau's imposed French Language Act and his warped, imposed Charter. Free Canada from the deranged, indoctrinated lunacy of the Cult of Trudeauvia.

    • Are you reel? What the h….ck is this opinion? Come back on earth. We are in year 2011!!!! Your are twisting the history in a funny way. I suggest that you come out of wherever you are from????

      • Come on irishgoof, you're going to give yourself another stroke, further damaging your already damaged brain. I suggest you slither back under the rock you slithered out from under.

  90. It is the Ontarians and Quebecers who use the most oil from Alberta so yeah…..I guess they should help to pay. And yeah, the politicians that drafted the constitution that resulted in this kind of BS are the ones to blame. Ever since then, lawyers have been trying to make a name for themselves (and pocket loads of cash) fighting these kinds of constitutional issues.

    Hey….maybe they (lawyers) can pay to clean up the environment with all the tax money they've scammed under the guise of upholding Canada's constitutional integrity.

  91. Sometimes I wish common sense would prevail over political and legal correctness. Unfortunately, because most politicians are lawyers and ALL judges are lawyers, that will not be happening any time soon.

    This incident reminds me of a former work mate. He was injured while driving a motorcycle. He claims he could have avoided the accident but he had the "right of way" so he drove into the automobile who's driver had failed to stop at a stop sign. Could just as easily been dead but……

    I'd vote for the first politician and political party who had the guts to change the constitution so that French would only be an official language in provinces where French speaking Canadians actually made up the second largest ethnic bloc. The downside to that would be that then the lawyers would have a field day trying to prove the new constitution was "unconstitutional".

    Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like lawyers….. some of my best friends are lawyers….but only the ones who have a little common sense.

  92. Sometimes I wish common sense would prevail over political and legal correctness. Unfortunately, because most politicians are lawyers and ALL judges are lawyers, that will not be happening any time soon.

    This incident reminds me of a former work mate. He was injured while driving a motorcycle. He claims he could have avoided the accident but he had the "right of way" so he drove into the automobile who's driver had failed to stop at a stop sign. Could just as easily been dead but……

    I'd vote for the first politician and political party who had the guts to change the constitution so that French would only be an official language in provinces where French speaking Canadians actually made up the second largest ethnic bloc. The downside to that would be that then the lawyers would have a field day trying to prove the new constitution was "unconstitutional".

    Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like lawyers….. some of my best friends are lawyers….but only the ones who have a little common sense.

  93. That is certainly false in the case of the decision the Court actually made (which had to do with the power of Superior Courts to order costs in matters before a Provincial Court), and almost certainly false in the case of the decision you think the Court made.

  94. If I was President I would want a huge fence between myself and a country that is that braindead.

  95. If I was President I would want a huge fence between myself and a country that is that braindead.

    • Why dont you just do that!!
      We have no use for people like you in Canada!!!

    • Why don't you just do that!!!!!!

    • Why don't you just do this!!!!

      • @ Irishgoon….Is there a reason that you need to comment two or three times on every one of your posts…first time might have been a mistake….but every time ??…..just curious.

  96. Judge Judy would have never let this happen…just saying…..

  97. Judge Judy would have never let this happen…just saying…..

  98. That's funny. So now all law enforcement officers are going to have to take lessons in Canada's other official language. That implementation is going to take a while. So next time, any of you guys plan on getting arrested, or charged, maybe you should use the same excuse. You'll probably get off because of "precedent".

  99. That's funny. So now all law enforcement officers are going to have to take lessons in Canada's other official language. That implementation is going to take a while. So next time, any of you guys plan on getting arrested, or charged, maybe you should use the same excuse. You'll probably get off because of "precedent".

  100. You raise interesting points. And interestingly enough, I am from Brampton, and I was looking at the public service job postings and currently the courts are specifically looking to hire Punjabi, Hindi and Urdu speaking court officers, reporters, translators. So that they can cater to the huge and growing populations of Indian people in the Peel Region. I wouldn't be surprised if Vancouver probably has the court systems hiring Mandarin speaking court reporters and translators to cater to the huge Chinese population. In these cities where the French demographic is a huge minority, one tends to forget that French is OUR other official language.

  101. macleans should check the facts before they print such crap. the supreme court ruled that alberta should cover the costs but deferred a decision on the ticket to a later date

  102. macleans should check the facts before they print such crap. the supreme court ruled that alberta should cover the costs but deferred a decision on the ticket to a later date

  103. this was an appeal and it did go to the supreme court

  104. this was an appeal and it did go to the supreme court

  105. craigola…une bonne…lol…

  106. There will be a technicality for that too. The current "legal" system is all about technicalities.

  107. they will spend millions (if not billions) per year to provide one minority with language rights while ignoring the aboriginals and other minorities which in many provinces are in larger numbers ..meanwhile in quebec it assumed that people have to conform to a francophone society

  108. they will spend millions (if not billions) per year to provide one minority with language rights while ignoring the aboriginals and other minorities which in many provinces are in larger numbers ..meanwhile in quebec it assumed that people have to conform to a francophone society

    • Are you out of your mind???? What billions ?? Alberta have violated more of any of the aboriginal laws in Canada. However, as an Anglophone, I never missed anything in Quebec and my rights are respected. What is that bull sh….t from Alberta? Obviously, the word "redneck" is well chosen for the type of opinions that are expressed in this colum.

    • Are you reel? What billions?

      • What billions? That would be the billions of dollars wasted away on forcing an English speaking country to pay for the tribal, divisive, insidious, unnecessary French Language Act imposed by the deranged, narcissist, despot loving, fancy pants, Pierre Trudeau. You know… your hero… Glorious leader Pierre… inventor of the Cult of Trudeauvia.

  109. with the same logic the english in quebec should fight for their rights ..perhaps the federal government should fund english rights groups so that we can overturn more of bill 101 which is a discriminatory law

  110. Steve,
    The guy is not a French dude, he is a Canuck! And you need to do a better job of proofing your posts.

  111. The only yhing I'm not is a P.C. , you are the idiot….you certainly need an education.

  112. I agree with you. the notwithstanding clause do not applies.

  113. @Irishgoon…..so your not a P.C….but are you PC as Canuckguy suggests?, I'm not sure which one is worse !

  114. Why dont you just do that!!
    We have no use for people like you in Canada!!!

  115. Are you out of your mind???? What billions ?? Alberta have violated more of any of the aboriginal laws in Canada. However, as an Anglophone, I never missed anything in Quebec and my rights are respected. What is that bull sh….t from Alberta? Obviously, the word "redneck" is well chosen for the type of opinions that are expressed in this colum.

  116. I hope you'll have enough guts to say this to the judge if you ever experience the pleasure to appear in court!!!!

  117. Are you reel? What the h….ck is this opinion? Come back on earth. We are in year 2011!!!! Your are twisting the history in a funny way. I suggest that you come out of wherever you are from????

  118. Why don't you just do that!!!!!!

  119. I agree with you. It does'nt apply.

  120. Why don't you just do this!!!!

  121. Are you reel? What billions?

  122. Whatever………!!!!!!!

  123. And yet another intelligent response by the '' Irishgoon '' ………

  124. @ Irishgoon….Is there a reason that you need to comment two or three times on every one of your posts…first time might have been a mistake….but every time ??…..just curious.

  125. I suggest you take your own advice.

  126. Come on Irishgoof… Pierre's Charter wasn't proclaimed, it was imposed!

  127. Stop wondering irishgoof, the A-hole is you.

  128. Come on irishgoof, you're going to give yourself another stroke, further damaging your already damaged brain. I suggest you slither back under the rock you slithered out from under.

  129. What billions? That would be the billions of dollars wasted away on forcing an English speaking country to pay for the tribal, divisive, insidious, unnecessary French Language Act imposed by the deranged, narcissist, despot loving, fancy pants, Pierre Trudeau. You know… your hero… Glorious leader Pierre… inventor of the Cult of Trudeauvia.

  130. The Frenchification process is alive and well in Alberta it would seem. Maybe they can borrow our Language Commissioner to help – the one that Parliament called to Ottawa for working with the SANB to promote Frenchification to promote Quebec sign laws in municipalities, sits on French for the Future board and is unanswerable to even the PM!!! I feel sorry for you folks for what is heading your way!

    • Private member bills to ensure the Supreme Court is Frenchlingual and all kinds of other rubbish is going to start popping up I spect… more of them passed than ever before…

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