Time the Decider



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Time the Decider

  1. I think what happens in Iraq, and everything that flows from that in the Middle East and Persia, over the next 10/20 years will decide Bush’ legacy.

    • not sure it will be that clear JWL. really depends to what degree that Obama ‘plays’ on many of those issues. Though I would allow, that while not entirely fair, no matter what Obama does, if the middle east gets worst ‘the finger’ will always be aimed at GWB.

      • I think we will have a good idea of how things are turning out in Middle East/Persia in twenty years, unless we take the Zhou Enlai view of history and wait centuries before offering opinion.

    • What’s happened in Iraq already has defined Bush’s legacy. There’s no way future generations are suddenly going to decide the invasion was justified.

    • Well since dead men/ women and children can’t talk jwl, i guess you’ll only have to contend with the living to contradict you, wont you?

      • “Well since dead men/ women and children can’t talk”

        Don’t know what your point is. Are you talking about the hundreds of thousands killed by Saddam? I imagine they would be pleased that Saddam was tried/convicted/hung by Iraqis and that future generations won’t have a homicidal maniac as leader.

        • And Bush made it all better, didn’t he? We’ll never know now if all those extra deaths were necessary or not, since we can’t put them all back together again and try something halfway competent. Even if Bushs instinct to build democracy in the region was right he’ll have to wear the mass incompetence that accompanied it all. Remember the ABSENCE of a plan for peace that allowed a sectarian killing spree that has only now begun to cease.

  2. No matter what Obama build and no matter what Harper tries to destroy, at the end we will still probably be ahead of our neighbours to the South.

  3. The Bush nightmare is finally over.

  4. Caption for this photo:

    Biden to Obama: “Man, I’m bushed, I thought that dude would never leave.

    • Another possibility: Obama thinking, ” I wonder if i otta order it shot down, for the good of the country?” [ tasteless joke ? ]

  5. I find it fascinating that Biden seems to be saluting. I don’t know what to make of it (I’ve always wondered about the etiquette of civilians saluting generally, but this is a particularly interesting example).

    On the one hand, good on him. I dislike George W. Bush as much as the next guy, but he was President of the United States, and a day like today is not one for pettiness and grudges, so nice to see the respect. On a more technical note, as he is no longer President in this photo, should anyone (just technically speaking) be saluting Bush? (Probably not, but who cares?). Then again, Biden is a civilian, so (again, mostly on a technical etiquette note) should he be saluting anyone? I think it’s perfectly acceptable, and as I said a nice (and I presume sincere) sign of respect, but is it technically inappropriate at all (either because Bush is no longer President, or because Biden is a civilian, or both?

    I note that Obama is not saluting, but then it’s probably inappropriate for the President to salute someone, so it actually makes sense that Obama wouldn’t salute, and as he’s even more bound by etiquette and propriety by his office, I wouldn’t imagine it to be any sort of snub.

    Keep in mind I don’t mean to suggest any of this matters, I’m just fascinated by the etiquette and protocol of it all.

    Any comments or clarifications form anyone on the etiquette of saluting (especially re: civilians and senior politicians)?

    • At least they’re not crawling on their knees and knocking head, which seems to be the usual American attitude towards Mr. President.

  6. Do you really think that time is going to make torture, illegal wiretapping, etc. and all around incompetence look better?

    • As someone who does believe that ethics and morality do matter in politics , even for a president. I really do believe that pardoning Nixon has lead us to this.

    • Well time seems to have forgiven FDR for the internment of American of Japanese descent.

      • FDR, for good or ill interned Japanese Americans with the consent of the public. Nixon subverted the constitution and started the ball rolling on the concept of the President being above the law.

        • I was responding to Robert McClelland’s post, but “The consent of the public” has nothing to do with whether or not something is constitutional. The whole point of the Bill of Rights is that there are certain decisions that cannot be made without amending the constitution itself.

          I find it interesting that someone who believes in “ethics and morality” in politics can dismiss an injustice as grave as interning Japanese Americans.

  7. “We don’t have the advantage of translation”.
    That’s what I was thinking as I watched the inauguration unfold today.

  8. Very sad they didn’t stick him on a chunk of ice and push him out to sea.

    The Inuit really know how to get rid of someone.