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Tories lead nationally, but Ontario gap closes

Liberals in dead heat with Tories in key province


 

While the Conservative Party is enjoying a comfortable national lead over the Liberals, a new EKOS-iPolitics poll shows the gap has closed in the key battleground province of Ontario. Nationally, the Conservatives are polling at 36 per cent support, 8 points higher than the Liberals, while the NDP stands at 16.1 per cent. But in Ontario, the Conservatives have 38.7 per cent support, compared to 36.2 per cent for the Liberals. “What is quite clear is that a majority is really unlikely,” EKOS pollster Frank Graves said.

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Tories lead nationally, but Ontario gap closes

  1. Fire and brimstone will rain down upon us.

  2. Nanos has the Tories at 45.4% and the Grits at 38.4% in Ontario. Tories at 40.6% and the Grits at 31.1% nationally.

  3. Fire and brimstone will rain down upon us.

  4. Nanos has the Tories at 45.4% and the Grits at 38.4% in Ontario. Tories at 40.6% and the Grits at 31.1% nationally.

    • Yep – good old EKOS nearing a good 10% off of the real CPC numbers as usual…

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        • Nanos has the Tories at 41.2 and the Grits at 41.8 in Ontario. The NDP have fallen 10% in Ontario since the writ dropped. So all the Liberal gains are apparently at the NDPs expense.

  5. "Dogs know what to do with polls"….John George Diefenbaker

  6. "Dogs know what to do with polls"….John George Diefenbaker

  7. I would take anything Graves the Liberal has to say with a grain of salt.

  8. I would take anything Graves the Liberal has to say with a grain of salt.

    • And a big shovel to scoop up the manure when Harper mops the street with the Harvard weiner…

      • How is an education a bad thing? remind me again!
        “It's past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act.” (Stephen Harper, then Vice-President of the National Citizens Coalition, 1997)

        • You're not still claiming to be educated are you? Indoctrinated most likely, but surely not educated.

          • Sorry, let me come down to your level…my dad can beat your dad…

          • Sorry, let me come down to your level… Goo, Goo, Gaa, Gaa, me vote Liberal.

          • thanks for proving my point. you forgot to say 'coalition'

          • OK; since we're going down this road, maybe you both need to look at this: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110407/pol

            I think it explains a lot about the stereotypes each camp has about the other – and why Harper keeps up the "fear and loathing" approach to politics…

        • How is an education a bad thing? remind me again!

          OK. A few thousand Harvard, Princeton and Yale graduates drove the US economy into the toilet and the world financial system to the brink of collapse. Perhaps that might have something to do with the current very legitimate skepticism towards academics.

          And if you don't believe that it was a "few thousand Harvard, Princeton and Yale graduates", look up the CVs of numerous high profile CEOs, CFOs, and US politicians and financiers and find out where they went to school. Also look up the track record of numerous Harvard economists and their ability to forecast asset values or risk, despite pretenses of being able to do precisely that. Start with the Black-Scoles Merton Options Pricing Model, the Capital Asset Pricing Model, and go from there.

          But don't take my word for it. Read Nassim Taleb's Black Swan sometime if you haven't already. He explains at length how our deference to academia is completely misplaced, and in fact a detriment to progress.

          • Ok then, vote for Harper! If anybody thinks that the 2 to 5 percenters that own 95 percent of the wealth are not running our country, and all the other so called free countries, then we are fooling ourselves. They allow us the time and place to banter back and forth (like this web site) and attack each other with 'my team is better than your team' volleys. I admit to doing it myself but the fundamental difference between conservatives and liberal governments is freedom. The money is not ours and when the rulers want it they take it. When they want a leader gone, they make it happen. They rule the world and we little people don't matter. A liberal government will at least throw a bone to the people the conservatives will not. That has been my experience all my life and I have lived in 6 provinces, travelled the country 22 times and lived under all three governments. Tory times are hard times, liberals were good times and the NDP didn't say no to anybody and therefor are not sustainable. That has been my life experience. Just saying!

          • Middle class tax breaks aren't throwing a bone to the people? However paltry and pitiful those tax breaks are? Actually, for once, income splitting is quite a significant benefit to the middle class. Whether we see it or not is another story. Promises of a tax break five years out are almost never carried out. The only thing I really disagree with is that Ignatieff is going to throw us more bones. I do not necessarily believe that bigger government (in the form of more programs) is what is going to make me better off. Ever read Robert Kyosaki? He's a bit out there (and he's contantly trying to sell his products, even while supposedly educating his readers) but he makes the point that massive government social programs are the governments way of keeping the people placated. They're sold to us as a means of reducing inequality, but all they do is decrease the inequality between the poor and the middle class – by reducing poverty slightly and taxing the middle class more heavily. The rich, meanwhile, find ways to avoid taxes that aren't available to the rest of us. He's talking mostly about the US, but his theories are equally applicable to Canada. So, if you feel the bones are bigger from the Liberals, go for it. I'll take my handful of cookies from the Tories, as I have judged their package to be generally superior. I don't want government babysitting, but income splitting is something I might actually use.

          • Thank you. My sometimes, outrageous comments are meant to hammer home a point. It seems to be the only way to get peoples attention even if it is negative attention. At least they get another perspective.
            You are probably doing OK and living a fairly good life. Have a good paying job, nice family, go on vacation, etc., etc., I don't know but I hope that is the case. However, there are some people in our country and around the world that need us to take care of them. They can't do it themselves for a variety of reasons. I don't mind my taxes going to help those that need it even if there are some that abuse the system. I can live with that.
            I don't like big government but I do like social spending. As a matter of fact I see small government and social spending. I am not against big business either but big business makes money, in Canada at least, mainly off our natural resources and they should pay into the public purse for that because our natural resources are not renewable and therefore should be taxed at a high rate. Every year they are not extracted (exploited), they go up in value.

          • The liberal "throw a bone" whatever…the liberals steal a bone…friggin thieves… ADSCAM!! we will never forget…………………

          • Adscam was miniscule compared to what Harper has done. the list is too long to go through. It goes on and on and on and on and on…

  9. I love that quote.

  10. Unless Harper got a Big Something up his sleeve. it looks like another Conservative Minority government. Personally I would like to see a majority Government for this next term. If only to ride out the recession. I'm still leaning towards Harper. It seems like the liberals don't have a plan beyond the status quo and rhetoric. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

  11. Unless Harper got a Big Something up his sleeve. it looks like another Conservative Minority government. Personally I would like to see a majority Government for this next term. If only to ride out the recession. I'm still leaning towards Harper. It seems like the liberals don't have a plan beyond the status quo and rhetoric. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.

    • Except when the devil you know refuses to talk to the media or share information with elected representatives and when the devil you know used to run an organization that opposes public health care.

      • I just saw Harper doing a radio interview, What planet are you living on?

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        • And agian… may I remind you of the real Harper!
          “It's past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act.” (Stephen Harper, then Vice-President of the National Citizens Coalition, 1997)

          • It won't be Harper who scraps the Canada Health Act, it will be the Supreme Court. Recall that the Canada Health Act was almost overturned by the Supreme Court in a 2005 ruling on a Charter challenge. The challenge died on a 4-4 vote split on the bench, with one judge abstaining. How do you suppose the abstainer would have voted? If the decision was going to be a majority in favour of the status quo, there would have been no reason for the judge to abstain.

            That is why, you will recall, a potential Charter challenge of the CHA was an election issue in 2006. Jack Layton vowed to use the Notwithstanding Clause if necessary to protect the CHA. Reporters (Gloria Galloway of the G & M in particular) then pinned Martin down on the issue , asking him repeatedly what he would do, since he had just promised to amend the Constitution to get rid of the Notwithstanding clause. After dodging the question 3 times, Dithers finally mumbled that he would have to allow such a Charter ruling to stand. He had nowhere to go on that one, having just spent the entire election vilifying anyone who would consider using the Notwithstanding clause to overrule a Charter decision.

            There will certainly be more Charter challenges in the future, as more people demand their right to pay out of pocket for services that they aren't getting fast enough from the public system. I can only imagine the cognitive crisis you're going to have when those two sacred cows collide. I'm thinking the Charter wins hands down. If you think the CHA will survive future Charter Challenges, remember who's been appointing the Supreme Court judges since 2005. :)

    • the devil that you know that lies, cheats, steals, hires criminals to be top aides in the PMO’s office, prorogues parliament, is in contempt of parliament, cannot to basic math (eg – spend billions + cut billions = balanced budget…… lol no on planet earth it doesn’t), I’d prefer the devil that I don’t know thank you very much.

      • Was it good, you know the kool-aid that you drank, was it good?

        • Apparently not as good as the blue stuff.

    • Better the devil you know? We don't know this devil at all because he's never had a majority. Look out!

    • in some ways agree either a Liberal minority or a conservative majority so people can finally wake up and see what a joke the PM is – will they have had their fill then – one can only hope – enough.

    • "better the devil you know" is right, but we need to get rid of Harper – he has done nothing but try to gain more power, and go against democracy. He appointed senators after wanting to reform the senate when he was not PM. He corrupts power absolutely. I don;t trust him.

  12. Except when the devil you know refuses to talk to the media or share information with elected representatives and when the devil you know used to run an organization that opposes public health care.

  13. the devil that you know that lies, cheats, steals, hires criminals to be top aides in the PMO’s office, prorogues parliament, is in contempt of parliament, cannot to basic math (eg – spend billions + cut billions = balanced budget…… lol no on planet earth it doesn’t), I’d prefer the devil that I don’t know thank you very much.

  14. Here's an amazing idea – stop running so many polls. The people who are completely uninformed yet somehow manage to decide to vote go "Oh look, X is leading in the polls – there's obviously *some* reason they picked them" without a clue. It'd be even *more* awesome if people decided to think for themselves and stop looking onto everyone else to make up their minds. It's a vicious circle fuelled by a limitless well of ignorance. At that point, elections might result in some sort of substantial, positive impact on the way the country is run. Parties might actually have to get their crap together! We can only dream..

  15. Here's an amazing idea – stop running so many polls. The people who are completely uninformed yet somehow manage to decide to vote go "Oh look, X is leading in the polls – there's obviously *some* reason they picked them" without a clue. It'd be even *more* awesome if people decided to think for themselves and stop looking onto everyone else to make up their minds. It's a vicious circle fuelled by a limitless well of ignorance. At that point, elections might result in some sort of substantial, positive impact on the way the country is run. Parties might actually have to get their crap together! We can only dream..

    • I agree polls and other such nonsense have polluted not just politics but the entire public policy debate. NOTHING gets decided without polling and focus-group testing first. Policy is no longer about what might work, or about ideology, it's about how well an idea polled, or rather, how inoffensive the idea is. Not a good way of formulating policy.

      However, your assumption that people will mark the X for the front runner is not born out, at least not all the time. Sometimes there is a break for the front runner in the final election results when compared to the last polls. But sometimes the opposite happens.

      • I agree with you entirely. I certainly didn't mean to say that it was *always* going to be the case. That would be a little ridiculous in itself.. The point was more so that the effect is cumulative and this creates a bias in the minds of those who simply don't have much to go by.

        Furthermore, there may be vast differences in the number of people who voted on a poll and those who actually vote.. The statistics from these polls are inherently useless to begin with – open public polling is *not* an effective means of collecting data… especially when done repeatedly in short periods of time like this.

  16. I just saw Harper doing a radio interview, What planet are you living on?

  17. Was it good, you know the kool-aid that you drank, was it good?

  18. Yep – good old EKOS nearing a good 10% off of the real CPC numbers as usual…

  19. And a big shovel to scoop up the manure when Harper mops the street with the Harvard weiner…

  20. How is an education a bad thing? remind me again!
    “It's past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act.” (Stephen Harper, then Vice-President of the National Citizens Coalition, 1997)

  21. And agian… may I remind you of the real Harper!
    “It's past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act.” (Stephen Harper, then Vice-President of the National Citizens Coalition, 1997)

  22. You're not still claiming to be educated are you? Indoctrinated most likely, but surely not educated.

  23. Sorry, let me come down to your level…my dad can beat your dad…

  24. Frank Graves, or Gravy as he likes to be called is an admitted Liberal supporter and donor. This poll is more like wishful thinking then actual "science". Let me quote another Liberal on the media and polls… " Thank you, poll obsessed, agenda inventing fellow scribes, what an effing whack job scrum"… Paul Wells. Thank you Paul.

  25. Frank Graves, or Gravy as he likes to be called is an admitted Liberal supporter and donor. This poll is more like wishful thinking then actual "science". Let me quote another Liberal on the media and polls… " Thank you, poll obsessed, agenda inventing fellow scribes, what an effing whack job scrum"… Paul Wells. Thank you Paul.

  26. Apparently not as good as the blue stuff.

  27. Sorry, let me come down to your level… Goo, Goo, Gaa, Gaa, me vote Liberal.

  28. thanks for proving my point. you forgot to say 'coalition'

  29. What say you? I have been posting my thoughts that polls are partisan and they get deleted. Do you really believe the polls are above board?

  30. What say you? I have been posting my thoughts that polls are partisan and they get deleted. Do you really believe the polls are above board?

    • So humour me here. Is Nik Nanos a "Tory pollster"? Take a look at his accuracy in 2004 and 2006, and come back and tell me he's a Tory pollster. I'll believe you. I promise.

  31. How is an education a bad thing? remind me again!

    OK. A few thousand Harvard, Princeton and Yale graduates drove the US economy into the toilet and the world financial system to the brink of collapse. Perhaps that might have something to do with the current very legitimate skepticism towards academics.

    And if you don't believe that it was a "few thousand Harvard, Princeton and Yale graduates", look up the CVs of numerous high profile CEOs, CFOs, and US politicians and financiers and find out where they went to school. Also look up the track record of numerous Harvard economists and their ability to forecast asset values or risk, despite pretenses of being able to do precisely that. Start with the Black-Scoles Merton Options Pricing Model, the Capital Asset Pricing Model, and go from there.

    But don't take my word for it. Read Nassim Taleb's Black Swan sometime if you haven't already. He explains at length how our deference to academia is completely misplaced, and in fact a detriment to progress.

  32. It won't be Harper who scraps the Canada Health Act, it will be the Supreme Court. Recall that the Canada Health Act was almost overturned by the Supreme Court in a 2005 ruling on a Charter challenge. The challenge died on a 4-4 vote split on the bench, with one judge abstaining. How do you suppose the abstainer would have voted? If the decision was going to be a majority in favour of the status quo, there would have been no reason for the judge to abstain.

    That is why, you will recall, a potential Charter challenge of the CHA was an election issue in 2006. Jack Layton vowed to use the Notwithstanding Clause if necessary to protect the CHA. Reporters (Gloria Galloway of the G & M in particular) then pinned Martin down on the issue , asking him repeatedly what he would do, since he had just promised to amend the Constitution to get rid of the Notwithstanding clause. After dodging the question 3 times, Dithers finally mumbled that he would have to allow such a Charter ruling to stand. He had nowhere to go on that one, having just spent the entire election vilifying anyone who would consider using the Notwithstanding clause to overrule a Charter decision.

    There will certainly be more Charter challenges in the future, as more people demand their right to pay out of pocket for services that they aren't getting fast enough from the public system. I can only imagine the cognitive crisis you're going to have when those two sacred cows collide. I'm thinking the Charter wins hands down. If you think the CHA will survive future Charter Challenges, remember who's been appointing the Supreme Court judges since 2005. :)

  33. I agree polls and other such nonsense have polluted not just politics but the entire public policy debate. NOTHING gets decided without polling and focus-group testing first. Policy is no longer about what might work, or about ideology, it's about how well an idea polled, or rather, how inoffensive the idea is. Not a good way of formulating policy.

    However, your assumption that people will mark the X for the front runner is not born out, at least not all the time. Sometimes there is a break for the front runner in the final election results when compared to the last polls. But sometimes the opposite happens.

  34. So humour me here. Is Nik Nanos a "Tory pollster"? Take a look at his accuracy in 2004 and 2006, and come back and tell me he's a Tory pollster. I'll believe you. I promise.

  35. Proud Canadian,
    The MSM is doing their best not to allow anything other than negative narrative about the Conservatives. The purpose is to drive down public opinion to prevent a Conservative majority so the lib/Dip/Bloc can vote down the budget and create their coveted "coalition". Why else are we having this election?

  36. Proud Canadian,
    The MSM is doing their best not to allow anything other than negative narrative about the Conservatives. The purpose is to drive down public opinion to prevent a Conservative majority so the lib/Dip/Bloc can vote down the budget and create their coveted "coalition". Why else are we having this election?

    • You must not be watching CTV and the reason we are having an election is the Harper government were found in contempt. Let me say this though, Harper scares Canadians it's that simple. He even scares tory media. If I were a tory I would be doing everything I could to get rid of him, send him back to Alberta and the Citizans Coalition or Ontario where he is really from. Peter MacKay is not as scary and if he were your leader he would probably get a majority. So take my advise, if the tories do not get a majority this election, force Harper out, put Peter MacKay in and you will get your majority. This next statement may really shock you, because I am anti tory to the core based on life experience dealing with them in my community. I come from a long line of powerful tories, generations in fact but what I witnessed them doing in my home town and province, to people that need help, is criminal and some of them have been tried and convicted. They are bully's plain and simple. They get all the government jobs, all the government contracts and actually crush anyone that is not connected to them. I can't accept that and I reject their ideology.

    • Then you're not watching the CBC, or CTV, or reading the Globe and Mail, or Toronto Star, or anything else. Good for you. Because following the media closely is a terrible, terrible habit. But I can assure you, having indulged in that habit more than is good for me, that ALL those entities are running a carpet-bombing campaign against the Conservatives. If the Nanos poll shows bad news for the Tories (as it did with a slight dip earlier this week) it's front page and all over the Globe website. If Nanos shows Tory support solidifying, I can't even find the poll on the G & M website – I have to go and dig for it at CTV.com. CTV also tries to bury it, but it at least can be found there.

      • The CTV has the Nanos polls on everyday where I live. They are not hiding it. You are right in that I do not believe any of our media reports. I try my best to read between the lines and figure out the real story. Because the CBC is not privately owned I tend to listen to them more but, I always give a listen to CTV as well. What bothers me about the CTV is their list of tory politicians and senators. Why are the CTV reporters being rewarded with government appointments if they are not seen in a favorable light by the tories? And I must add this dig (petty as it might be) Ben Mulrony?

    • Have you looked into the formation of the coalition at all? I mean independent of what you saw on the news or in a Harper attack ad? Do a little research and see if you still believe what you're saying.

      • What coalition are you refering to, the Great Coalition of 1864-1867, The Union Government of 1917-1920, Harpers attempt at a Coalition in 2004 or Dions attempt in 2008? Most Canadians do not know that Canada was formed with a coalition government and formed another coalition government for World War 1.

        • I was specifically referring to the 2008 coalition though I am aware of the others.

          • I looked into all the coalitions in Canadas history. Both times they were actually done it was for a better government. Harpers and Dions attempts are equal in my books.

  37. Nanos has the Tories at 41.2 and the Grits at 41.8 in Ontario. The NDP have fallen 10% in Ontario since the writ dropped. So all the Liberal gains are apparently at the NDPs expense.

  38. Ok then, vote for Harper! If anybody thinks that the 2 to 5 percenters that own 95 percent of the wealth are not running our country, and all the other so called free countries, then we are fooling ourselves. They allow us the time and place to banter back and forth (like this web site) and attack each other with 'my team is better than your team' volleys. I admit to doing it myself but the fundamental difference between conservatives and liberal governments is freedom. The money is not ours and when the rulers want it they take it. When they want a leader gone, they make it happen. They rule the world and we little people don't matter. A liberal government will at least throw a bone to the people the conservatives will not. That has been my experience all my life and I have lived in 6 provinces, travelled the country 22 times and lived under all three governments. Tory times are hard times, liberals were good times and the NDP didn't say no to anybody and therefor are not sustainable. That has been my life experience. Just saying!

  39. You must not be watching CTV and the reason we are having an election is the Harper government were found in contempt. Let me say this though, Harper scares Canadians it's that simple. He even scares tory media. If I were a tory I would be doing everything I could to get rid of him, send him back to Alberta and the Citizans Coalition or Ontario where he is really from. Peter MacKay is not as scary and if he were your leader he would probably get a majority. So take my advise, if the tories do not get a majority this election, force Harper out, put Peter MacKay in and you will get your majority. This next statement may really shock you, because I am anti tory to the core based on life experience dealing with them in my community. I come from a long line of powerful tories, generations in fact but what I witnessed them doing in my home town and province, to people that need help, is criminal and some of them have been tried and convicted. They are bully's plain and simple. They get all the government jobs, all the government contracts and actually crush anyone that is not connected to them. I can't accept that and I reject their ideology.

  40. It appears you understand things a little better than I thought. :) But let me ask you: middle class tax breaks aren't throwing a bone to the people? However paltry and pitiful those tax breaks are? Actually, for once, income splitting is quite a significant benefit to the middle class. Whether we see it or not is another story. But I'll take my chances.

    The only thing I really disagree with is in your post is that Ignatieff is going to throw us more bones. I do not believe that more federal social spending is what is going to make me better off. Ever read Robert Kyosaki? Admittedly, he's a bit out there (and he's contantly trying to sell his products, even while supposedly "educating" his readers) but he makes a unique point that I've never come across before; massive government social programs are the government's way of keeping the people placated, stupid, and dependent. They are a pacifier to get us to behave the way they want. They're sold to us as a means of reducing inequality, but all they do is decrease the inequality between the poor and the middle class – by reducing poverty slightly and taxing the middle class more heavily. The rich, meanwhile, find ways to avoid taxes that aren't available to the rest of us. He's talking mostly about the US, but his theories are equally applicable to Canada.

    So, if you feel the bones are bigger from the Liberals, go for it. I'll take my handful of cookies from the Tories, as I have judged their package to be generally superior. I don't want government babysitting, but income splitting is something I might actually use. I am not blindly partisan Conservative, and generally have no use for their tactics and constant campaigning when they should be governing. But my vote, by default, goes to the party who will take the least from me in taxes, and do the least overall social engineering. I would also prefer massive decentralization away from the federal government, but I don't see anyone promising that. Haven't seen a whiff of that since this thing called the Canadian Alliance morphed into the Conservatives. If Ignatieff promised a nice middle class tax cut, (say, cutting the two middle income tax brackets by a few points each), I'd seriously have to consider voting for him. Something tells me I'm pretty safe.

    Overall, that was an excellent post. We're not so very different as you seem to think. Our difference is one of perspective. You see big government and social spending as a means of countering big corporations and big wealth. I see those things as tools used by big wealth to keep the rest of us where they want us. Give Raging Ranter babysitting for his little chimps, tell him that they need "early childhood education" for their future success, and cite a bunch of "evidence" produced by pointy-headed academics to back that up, and maybe he won't notice that we're inflating away his salary, taxing him out the ying yang, shipping his job overseas and selling him flimsy garbage made in China or Vietnam.

  41. Then you're not watching the CBC, or CTV, or reading the Globe and Mail, or Toronto Star, or anything else. Good for you. Because following the media closely is a terrible, terrible habit. But I can assure you, having indulged in that habit more than is good for me, that ALL those entities are running a carpet-bombing campaign against the Conservatives. If the Nanos poll shows bad news for the Tories (as it did with a slight dip earlier this week) it's front page and all over the Globe website. If Nanos shows Tory support solidifying, I can't even find the poll on the G & M website – I have to go and dig for it at CTV.com. CTV also tries to bury it, but it at least can be found there.

  42. Thank you. My sometimes, outrageous comments are meant to hammer home a point. It seems to be the only way to get peoples attention even if it is negative attention. At least they get another perspective.
    You are probably doing OK and living a fairly good life. Have a good paying job, nice family, go on vacation, etc., etc., I don't know but I hope that is the case. However, there are some people in our country and around the world that need us to take care of them. They can't do it themselves for a variety of reasons. I don't mind my taxes going to help those that need it even if there are some that abuse the system. I can live with that.
    I don't like big government but I do like social spending. As a matter of fact I see small government and social spending. I am not against big business either but big business makes money, in Canada at least, mainly off our natural resources and they should pay into the public purse for that because our natural resources are not renewable and therefore should be taxed at a high rate. Every year they are not extracted (exploited), they go up in value.

    • It is such a chuckle to hear a conservative slam CBC when it was the conservative party that created it.

      While I approve and do support and enjoy CBC very much, it is a prime example of Conservatives turning on their own ideas.

      • Um, I believe it was a Liberal baby….can someone clarifiy this?

        • In 1932 the Conservative government of R.B. Bennett established the CBC's predecessor, the Canadian Radio Broadcasting Commission (CRBC).

          Google is your friend.

  43. Ayatollah Harper took the weekend off to try to stem his fall from grace. Unfortunately for Stevie , Ontario has a high level of education and what they have seen of Harper last week will only close the gap more and reverse the standings.

  44. Ayatollah Harper took the weekend off to try to stem his fall from grace. Unfortunately for Stevie , Ontario has a high level of education and what they have seen of Harper last week will only close the gap more and reverse the standings.

    • Whatl you really mean is Ontario has an inordinate number of parasites.

  45. I agree with you entirely. I certainly didn't mean to say that it was *always* going to be the case. That would be a little ridiculous in itself.. The point was more so that the effect is cumulative and this creates a bias in the minds of those who simply don't have much to go by.

    Furthermore, there may be vast differences in the number of people who voted on a poll and those who actually vote.. The statistics from these polls are inherently useless to begin with – open public polling is *not* an effective means of collecting data… especially when done repeatedly in short periods of time like this.

  46. Better the devil you know? We don't know this devil at all because he's never had a majority. Look out!

  47. Gary, with that smokin righteousness you should support the Greens….

  48. Gary, with that smokin righteousness you should support the Greens….

  49. I plead with Ontario to once again bail the West out. Vote Liberal and stop the slow and steady dismantling of governance. CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT DOES MATTER!

    Did you know that people in Alberta are actually complaining about having to participate in democracy. The Harper sales team has made the sale out here…..

    HELP!!!

  50. OK; since we're going down this road, maybe you both need to look at this: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110407/pol

    I think it explains a lot about the stereotypes each camp has about the other – and why Harper keeps up the "fear and loathing" approach to politics…

  51. I plead with Ontario to once again bail the West out. Vote Liberal and stop the slow and steady dismantling of governance. CONTEMPT OF PARLIAMENT DOES MATTER!

    Did you know that people in Alberta are actually complaining about having to participate in democracy. The Harper sales team has made the sale out here…..

    HELP!!!

    • Here's a theory of mine. Please comment. Is Harper deliberate in his denial of eastern Canada so the west will have a supply of labour for the tar sands etc. It would be in the best interest of the west if eastern Canada was neglected. They seem to forget the help they got from eastern Canada during the dust bowl of the dirty thirties.

      • I hear your theory and could only hope that Harper thought about anything other than absolute power. I do believe that if necessary to gain the upper hand Alberta would be under the bus in seconds….

        On the other note, not every Albertan has forgotton about the national support they got during the 30's and more recently in the 70's when the Federal Government invested in getting the oil sands project up and going. Having said that, it is not something that is ever spoken of in a casual conversation that I have heard.

        • Thanks for your reply and it is good to know. We are all Canadians and that should be our first loyalty. I love my country (as I'm sure we all do) and back in the 70s I hitch hiked across Canada 7 times. I travelled every corner, north, south, east and west and will never forget the hundreds of Canadian I met who took the time to show me their part of the country. On one of my ventures I stayed on the road for 8 months, picking random spots on a map and hitch hiking there.

      • And the cash flow has been reversed since the 30's.

        • You can thank the federal government for that. In 1930 Mineral rights were transferred from the federal government to Canada's western provinces and in 1778 the first European to recognize oil in "tar" sands in Athabasca country was Peter Pond. This was the first known oil deposit found in Canada in commercial quantities.
          No need to get angry about it!

    • very sad to see the divisions that Harper has created.

      • very sad to inform you that the divisions created within Canada started with Lester Pearson and were taken to Mien Kampfian levels by fancy pants Pierre Trudeau.

  52. The CTV has the Nanos polls on everyday where I live. They are not hiding it. You are right in that I do not believe any of our media reports. I try my best to read between the lines and figure out the real story. Because the CBC is not privately owned I tend to listen to them more but, I always give a listen to CTV as well. What bothers me about the CTV is their list of tory politicians and senators. Why are the CTV reporters being rewarded with government appointments if they are not seen in a favorable light by the tories? And I must add this dig (petty as it might be) Ben Mulrony?

  53. Here's a theory of mine. Please comment. Is Harper deliberate in his denial of eastern Canada so the west will have a supply of labour for the tar sands etc. It would be in the best interest of the west if eastern Canada was neglected. They seem to forget the help they got from eastern Canada during the dust bowl of the dirty thirties.

  54. Nanos called my parents yesterday. For no particular reason, they refused to participate in the polling. They will not be voting for the Conservatives.

  55. Nanos called my parents yesterday. For no particular reason, they refused to participate in the polling. They will not be voting for the Conservatives.

  56. in some ways agree either a Liberal minority or a conservative majority so people can finally wake up and see what a joke the PM is – will they have had their fill then – one can only hope – enough.

  57. very sad to see the divisions that Harper has created.

  58. I hear your theory and could only hope that Harper thought about anything other than absolute power. I do believe that if necessary to gain the upper hand Alberta would be under the bus in seconds….

    On the other note, not every Albertan has forgotton about the national support they got during the 30's and more recently in the 70's when the Federal Government invested in getting the oil sands project up and going. Having said that, it is not something that is ever spoken of in a casual conversation that I have heard.

  59. It is such a chuckle to hear a conservative slam CBC when it was the conservative party that created it.

    While I approve and do support and enjoy CBC very much, it is a prime example of Conservatives turning on their own ideas.

  60. Western Canada only has to install border crossing on only one road leading from Kenora. I can't see why they wouldn't. If they ever catch on to the Ontario, Quebec Cabal.

  61. Western Canada only has to install border crossing on only one road leading from Kenora. I can't see why they wouldn't. If they ever catch on to the Ontario, Quebec Cabal.

  62. Thanks for your reply and it is good to know. We are all Canadians and that should be our first loyalty. I love my country (as I'm sure we all do) and back in the 70s I hitch hiked across Canada 7 times. I travelled every corner, north, south, east and west and will never forget the hundreds of Canadian I met who took the time to show me their part of the country. On one of my ventures I stayed on the road for 8 months, picking random spots on a map and hitch hiking there.

  63. Have you looked into the formation of the coalition at all? I mean independent of what you saw on the news or in a Harper attack ad? Do a little research and see if you still believe what you're saying.

  64. Whatl you really mean is Ontario has an inordinate number of parasites.

  65. What coalition are you refering to, the Great Coalition of 1864-1867, The Union Government of 1917-1920, Harpers attempt at a Coalition in 2004 or Dions attempt in 2008? Most Canadians do not know that Canada was formed with a coalition government and formed another coalition government for World War 1.

  66. Dictatorship with minority!

    Majority?! LOL! can you imagine the Harper regime with a majority government?! SCARY!.

    • I hope you choke on your words when the Conservatives get that majority!

      • You are the very reason Albertans have the 'redneck' label. It's like 'look at me, I'm rich and therefore smart'! majority, majority, coalition, coalition!!!! In fact your great western leader Harper, is from Toronto but he knew he could pull the wool over your eyes and to date, he has been successful. I laugh everytime I see Harper in a cowboy hat! Faker!!!!

      • I think we'll all be choking on something if the CPC gets a majority.

    • Millions of cute little kittens will be strangled the day after the CPC gets a majority.

      I'm not making this up.

  67. I don't need a poll to tell me one thing: on May 3, the majority of people in Canada will not like their prime minister, whoever he is.

  68. I don't need a poll to tell me one thing: on May 3, the majority of people in Canada will not like their prime minister, whoever he is.

  69. Um, I believe it was a Liberal baby….can someone clarifiy this?

  70. And the cash flow has been reversed since the 30's.

  71. I hope you choke on your words when the Conservatives get that majority!

  72. In 1932 the Conservative government of R.B. Bennett established the CBC's predecessor, the Canadian Radio Broadcasting Commission (CRBC).

    Google is your friend.

  73. Millions of cute little kittens will be strangled the day after the CPC gets a majority.

    I'm not making this up.

  74. You can thank the federal government for that. In 1930 Mineral rights were transferred from the federal government to Canada's western provinces and in 1778 the first European to recognize oil in "tar" sands in Athabasca country was Peter Pond. This was the first known oil deposit found in Canada in commercial quantities.
    No need to get angry about it!

  75. You are the very reason Albertans have the 'redneck' label. It's like 'look at me, I'm rich and therefore smart'! majority, majority, coalition, coalition!!!! In fact your great western leader Harper, is from Toronto but he knew he could pull the wool over your eyes and to date, he has been successful. I laugh everytime I see Harper in a cowboy hat! Faker!!!!

  76. Liberal support increases in Quebec. About time the french smartened up and went back to the party that supports their kind of malfeasance! The Shawinigan shysters. We will never forget! lol
    A Conservative majotity. without the french, how sweet it will be. The renewal of Canada!

  77. Liberal support increases in Quebec. About time the french smartened up and went back to the party that supports their kind of malfeasance! The Shawinigan shysters. We will never forget! lol
    A Conservative majotity. without the french, how sweet it will be. The renewal of Canada!

  78. I was specifically referring to the 2008 coalition though I am aware of the others.

  79. The Harper regime platform –

    -Prorogue Parliament on multiple occasions at the cost of $millions of taxpayers dollars.

    -$16-30+ Billion on American first strike fighter aircraft.

    -$Billions wasted on G8/G20.

    -$Billions on American style mega prisons.

    -Attacks on low-income seniors.

    -Attack veterans Ombudsman Pat Stogran for doing his job.

    -For the first time in the history on the UN, Canada is in the noose-bleed section & not the main table.

    -A world disgrace from Copenhagen to Cancun with its head up American AXX on climate change.

    -Scrapping of the long-form census in spite of unanimous condemnation.

  80. -$Millions wasted on partisan advertising and Economic Action Plan signage.

    -The biggest spending finance minister in Canadian history.

    -Authoritarian style government Muzzling dissent and stifling free speech.

    -A PM who vowed to "never appoint an unelected senator" who now cant appoint them fast enough.

    -A government who campaigned on accountability & ethics now causing an un-necessary election in 2011 for being found in contempt of Parliament for the first time in CDN history.

    -$Billions to help the Americans control our border & sovereignty.

    -Attack the PBO Kevin Page for doing his job.

    -More $Billions in profits for large corporations, banks & dirty oil. ZERO for health care, day care, pharmacare, retirement, etc.

    -Kill gun control.

    -The largest deficit in CDN history.

    Did I miss anything?, oh that's right its all hidden from both the opposition & the CDN public. get out & VOTE!.

  81. "better the devil you know" is right, but we need to get rid of Harper – he has done nothing but try to gain more power, and go against democracy. He appointed senators after wanting to reform the senate when he was not PM. He corrupts power absolutely. I don;t trust him.

  82. I looked into all the coalitions in Canadas history. Both times they were actually done it was for a better government. Harpers and Dions attempts are equal in my books.

  83. I think we'll all be choking on something if the CPC gets a majority.

    • Libtards? Are you a 6 year old?

      Do you know the difference between provincial and federal parties? Probably not.

  84. The liberal "throw a bone" whatever…the liberals steal a bone…friggin thieves… ADSCAM!! we will never forget…………………

  85. Income-splitting is little more than a reward to housewives at the expensive of two-income households. Do your research.

  86. Adscam was miniscule compared to what Harper has done. the list is too long to go through. It goes on and on and on and on and on…

  87. very sad to inform you that the divisions created within Canada started with Lester Pearson and were taken to Mien Kampfian levels by fancy pants Pierre Trudeau.

  88. Libtards? Are you a 6 year old?

    Do you know the difference between provincial and federal parties? Probably not.

  89. these pollsters are not academic scientific research companies
    they are marketing companies
    the question is who owns the company and what is the polling funding source?
    twitter is more scientific and a heck of lot more accurate

  90. these pollsters are not academic scientific research companies
    they are marketing companies
    the question is who owns the company and what is the polling funding source?
    twitter is more scientific and a heck of lot more accurate

  91. It will even out the tax system so that couples making highly differential incomes will no longer be penalized by the tax system. If you're going to say something that stupid, you've no right to be telling anyone to do their research. You've clearly not done any yourself. (Reading the Toronto Star isn't research.)

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