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Total Eclipse of the Arts in B.C.?


 

Artists react to provincial cuts to the arts:

http://skam.ca/skamaoke.htm


 
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Total Eclipse of the Arts in B.C.?

  1. “Every now and then I get a little but tired of listening to the sound of my whine”

    Spot on, Rielle/Mathew. I think many of us are tired of listening to artists whine about how hard done-by they are.

    “Every now and then I get a little bit restless and dream of stable funds”

    Maybe if you spent your time dreaming about how to be a better singer, or actress, you wouldn’t have to worry about government hand-outs at all because you would be able to support yourself.

    And stop stealing other people’s work and create your own.

    • I think many of us are tired of listening to artists whine about how hard done-by they are.

      Stop whining.

      • jwl loves artists reallly, he just thinks they should work for free!

        • The bad ones. The good ones should have not trouble earning a living, like the rest of us.

          • I would have more time for the arguement that artists should pay their way, if our govts would stop constantly tilting the table towards big business and awarding themselves outrageous benefits that the rest of us can only envy. There are a lot of govt subsidies i’d cut before the arts, but then they’re such an easy targets- govts being so brave an all!

          • It’s just a tedious waste of time for people like jwl and others to be constantly making an economic argument against arts funding out of principle, when, practically speaking, when it comes to what public money is spent on and wasted, this isn’t where their attention should be focused.

            They get all riled about about a 2000$ arts grant and are completely indifferent to hundreds of millions of dollars being wasted on inept military procurement, for example.

            I get riled up when I think of all the money I’ve paid in taxes to support public education. I think these wingnuts should have to pay it back.

          • Who knew kc and Ti-Guy were secret cons?

            kc and his railing against government and their ‘outrageous benefits the rest of can only envy’ and Ti-Guy coming out against public education. Welcome to the darkside, fellas.

            Ti-Guy

            I basically think every cent government spends on arts is a waste so we are talking hundreds of millions of $$$ and not $2,000. And I would be happy to make economic arguments against wasteful military spending but since this post is about whinging artists, I thought I would stay on topic.

          • I basically think every cent government spends on arts is a waste…

            And just how many times do you think it’s necessary to tell “The World” that?

            When we let people like you dominate discussions about culture, what we get is Brittney Spears.

          • Barry Manilow could earn a living. Van Gogh never could.

          • Do we remember Leonardo for the machinery he designed on commission for governments of the day, or the artwork he created while subsidized by them? Do you remember Raushenberg for his window displays? Degas for the inheritance from his wealthy family? Do you remember Jean McEwen because he worked in a bank? Do you remember Patterson Ewen because he was teacher?

          • Doug Rogers:

            Funny how these great artists succeeded to create their work anyway. And frankly, I think everything DaVinci did was fantastic, whether artistic or scientific or other areas.

            These people made art out of passion. They were not government lobbyists like so many of the artists we have now. These types of people did not need government subsidies to make art. Many of the artists in the past were prolific in their work.

            So what if they contributed to society in other ways, as teachers, or government workers. If they earned commissions from benefactors, then that’s great!

            I make watercolour paintings myself, outside of my regular job. Do I seek payments from government bureaucrats? No, in fact, I would feel disgusted by turning myself into a welfare bum. If I get paid, I prefer to be paid by the people who receive my work, and nobody else.

          • sf, you don’t know what you’re talking about. For most of his career, Leonardo was the recipient of government assistance (the Medici, the Sforzas, Cesare Borgia, Francis I): only the odd altarpiece was commissioned by a third party. The same could be said for virtually every artist, in every medium, until the 19th century, when the bougeoisie caught on to art. Since the bourgeoisie is no longer interested in art, we’ve reverted to the older model of state patronage. I don’t deny that this has great drawbacks, but IMO we need to reform the system, not demolish it.

          • Yes, I must not forget to give homage to “the system”. Whatever “the system” is. Can’t wait for my next art show. I’ll remember that the artists’ work is not a result of talent and drive – instead they are a product of “the system”. Gotta love the liberal mindset.

          • “recipient of government assistance (the Medici, the Sforzas, Cesare Borgia, Francis I):”

            Why do you consider money from wealthy families as government assistance? I know some members of the families were pols but they used their own money as patrons. And you have forgotten a major source of funds: the Catholic Church, which I would argue is responsible for a lot of great art and is not government.

            Anyways, why I object to the system we have now is merit does not appear to be a factor in funding anymore. We just hand out hundreds of millions of $$$ to government quangos and they distribute the money to people who know how to fill out applications with the latest buzz words that correspond with lib piety.

          • “The good ones should have not trouble earning a living,”

            Artist do earn a living, very frequently though, it is not by making art.

            “These people made art out of passion. They were not government lobbyists like so many of the artists we have now.”

            If mere lobbying is the criterion to end funding then end funding to olympic programs, end funding to big business and dirty oil, end tax breaks to corporations.

            “Why do you consider money from wealthy families as government assistance?”

            The wealthy families of renaissance Italy WERE the governments of their respective city states. The Vatican IS the government of its own city state.

          • kc and his railing against government and their ‘outrageous benefits the rest of can only envy’ and Ti-Guy coming out against public education. Welcome to the darkside, fellas.

            Sigh. Either jwl is being ironic…or Ti- guy’s pt about PE being wasted on some members of the public is spot on…i’ll leave it up to you to decide.

        • Maybe he just wants artists to live on money the audience gives them voluntarily. That way lies heresy, of course. Doing clumsy Bonnie Tyler knockoffs is sort of daring, provocative work that the average yutz is just not sophisticated enough to understand.

          • Maybe all artists should die before they’re successful. It’s so much cheaper …. and dramatic ….. and , you know, …. artistic … that way.

          • Yeah Sisyphus, now that you put it that way, I can see how our talented artists are completely incapable of keeping themselves alive without that government cheque in the mail. I had no idea artists were suffering so much. And I thought it was in Africa that my charity was most needed.

          • Yes, I must not forget to give homage to “the system”. Whatever “the system” is. Can’t wait for my next art show. I’ll remember that the artists’ work is not a result of talent and drive – instead they are a product of “the system”. Gotta love the liberal mindset.

            Just for variety’s sake, what are your thoughts on a Unified Field Theory?

          • Just for variety’s sake, what are your thoughts on a Unified Field Theory?

            Interesting tangent. It will be interesting to see if a fully unified field theory arrives during my lifetime. I’d love to read another good book on the topic, on string theory, or on a related topic, if you have any suggestions.

    • Chris Bangle’s BMWs vs the Ford Losis?

    • Exactly, Ti-Guy. You know how much a CF-18 costs? $40 million! For one aircraft! I mean, I know we need fighter planes but if jwl, sf, myl, et al. were even remotely serious about economising they would at least glance at other types of government spending. As it is, the anti-arts argument, trotted out again and again and again (with Mr. Coyne as the clown in chief on this score) is entirely disingenuous. What the really mean is art sucks and I’ve found a self-righteous way to say it. Nah nah nah-nee-nah nah nah.

      • Exactly, Ti-Guy. You know how much a CF-18 costs? $40 million! For one aircraft! I mean, I know we need fighter planes…

        I wish I were a wingnut so I could simply assert, over and over again, that we don’t need fighter planes. Why should we? When was the last time Canada was invaded?

        …with Mr. Coyne as the clown in chief on this score…

        Although I still see he hasn’t managed to prevent Macleans from accepting 3 million a year in PAP funding, although he is ideologically opposed to it.

        • To refuse the PAP money would put the magazine at a competitive disadvantage. The only level playing field would be one with no subsidies at all.

          • Ah yes, all those other Canadian newsweeklies would wipe the floor with them.

          • put the magazine at a competitive disadvantage.

            Yeah, what’s that about?

  2. For those of us who follow left-coast political goings-on, the most hilarious aspect to all of this is that the BC Arts minister in question is probably the closest thing we have to a jwl in public office.

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