Two boys killed in shooting outside Toronto townhouse

Two teenagers are dead following a shooting outside a townhouse complex in northwest Toronto.


 

TORONTO – Two teenagers are dead following a shooting outside a townhouse complex in northwest Toronto.

Toronto Police Const. Tony Vella says the teens were shot in the torso early Friday afternoon at a low income housing complex (at 287 Grandravine Drive).

One boy was pronounced dead at the scene early Friday afternoon while police said the second boy died in hospital.

Police have identified the two dead boys as O’She Doyles-Whyte,16, and Kwame Duodu, 15.

Police say witnesses have indicated three males were seen fleeing the scene on bicycles, but there are no details on what prompted the killings.

Toronto Community Housing Board Chair Bud Purves and President and CEO Gene Jones issued a statement saying they are “angered and saddened” by what they call the “tragic loss of young lives to gun violence.”

“At the very point in their lives when they should be looking forward to a bright future, too many of our young people are losing their lives to gun violence,” said Friday’s statement.

The statement says Toronto Community Housing is working closely with police in the investigation.


 
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Two boys killed in shooting outside Toronto townhouse

  1. Jane & Finch. Not an intersection I need to visit. Coppers need to be there and to take it back. Take the Bangers down. Do it now!

    • It always amazes me when those furthest removed from a topic is always the most vocal and opinionated on it. So you NEVER been to jane and finch yet you feel that “coppers need to be there and take it back”. I wonder which trite tv show you got that one liner from. Since you don’t seem willing to visit, let me assure you that the “coppers” are indeed there. All day every day. Just so that impressionable, frightened little out-of-towners such as yourself can feel “safe” when you gather enough courage to remove yourself from your apparently crime-free trailer parks and suburban oasis & go ‘slumming’ in areas like Jane & Finch (more than likely looking to ‘score’ illegal drugs).

      • I actually don’t live in a trailer park, I consider such accommodation as Tornado Bait. Don’t do drugs either, too much self respect. As for the Bangers, as long as they remain in the Jane & Finch area, who gives an Obese Rodents Backside? Impressionable, not so much, frightened, not so much, out of towner, yep who wants to live in Hog Town? Worked the streets of Jasper Ave & 97th St, back in the days of the Coffee Cup, Jane & Finch bad boys, not so much.

  2. Enough with the “gun violence” meme. Let’s call it what it is. It is gang violence and bl*ck on bl*ck murder. If there weren’t guns, there would be knives. Remember West Side Story? It was about Puerto Rican gangs and white gangs in New York. What did they carry? Switch blades. Get rid of the gangs. Get rid of the ‘hoods and get rid of the welfare state. Problem solved.

    • Why yes. We never had any violence or crime before welfare.

      • Not like this Emily. It’s easy to check, if you want, but we had nothing like this before these gangs now. Stop making excuses for murderous criminals.

        • Yeah, we’ve had it everytime we’ve gotten immigrants. Tongs, triads, gangs of all types. All the way back to the Irish Mob. We’re used to it. They do it till they integrate.

          Toronto gets 265 immigrants a day.

        • You people and your selective memory. So the Biker wars in Montreal was a figment of our collective imaginations? So the west end gang of montreal doesn’t exist? What about the mob wars in Hamilton back in the 70’s?

          • The police took care of all those problems but it was easy for them because no-one was making it a race issue. Inner city violence is todays problem but it can’t be tackled like problems in the past because it has been turned into a race issue rather than a crime issue. The inner cities are war zones but no-one who lives there knows who is fighting the war. It’s never their kids and its never any other kids who live in the area so one is left to believe that every night gangs people are coming from all over the other parts of the city to fight it out on the inner city streets before returning to the safety and comfort of the suburbs. Thats probably wants happening right limp?

          • Police “took care of those problems”? Those problems are still prevelant within a certain community (perhaps that said community should be as equally “concerned” with THAT as they claim to be with “black-on-black” violence). Inner city violence is a problem NOW, is it? So what was it before all the “political correctness”? It was status quo in YOUR gated community. But NOW it’s a problem? Is it because “mentally challenged” Caucasians are becoming an equal and as real a threat to public safety as phantom thug menaces?

            & about those “inner city war zones”, when was the last time YOU walked through them? If you’re so concerned, what are YOU doing to help? Other than troll around message boards SOULY concentrating on the race of shooters when they’re black while totally ignoring white mass murderers that seems to be the new trend in gun violence?

            Tell me how “concerned” you are for them, Diddles.

          • black on black violence??? Is there such a thing limp? The reverends must not think there is because they never bring it up.
            Bikers are a problem but the police are constantly working at putting them in jail. They put one in and another pops up but no-one is crying about the race of these criminals because its politically correct for the police to deal with criminals if they are white.
            If inner city violence is not a problem why to you drone on and on and on? If the inner city streets are all safe and sound and paved with gold with no crime then what are you shooting your mouth off for? No-one has ever said that whites don’t commit crime, they do commit lots of crimes (and I know they commit lots of crimes) but no-one is running around defending them and making excuses for the crimes they commit. When was the last time I was in Winnipeg’s inner city…hmmm…lets see yesterday and the day before that and before that and before that. I have been in it long enough to see the problems move from the los brovos to hells angels, from alcohol abuse to hard drug abuse and the emergence of the violent and vicious street gangs (of all races) which, as in most inner cities, have made the streets too dangerous to walk during the day let alone at night. Does this affect me on a personal level? No. But should I care about all the people, in those neighbourhoods, that are being held hostage in their homes because of all the criminals that control and destroy their streets? Yes. I couldn’t care less if all the hells angels and rock machine and banditos kill each other but I do care when they do it on the streets where other innocent people are trying to live. The same goes for all your friends the gang-bangers who are killing each other (see the lastest Toronto murders where 2 kids were killed) but they are doing it on the streets so yeah I care. I care about the mass murders, and as horrific as they are, the number of victims pale comparision to the number of black males that are murdered every year in the states. Its odd that you are so over the top about the Zimmerman (hispanic on black) shooting, a tragic but rare occurence at best, but seem OK with thousands of other black teenagers that are murdered in the States every year. Its like you believe the Zimmerman shooting is the everyday norm not the black on black murders. Every study ever done shows that a young black male has more to fear from another young black male than they do anyone else on the planet and this is something I made up in my head, like most of your stuff is. You want us to sit up and listen after shifting through 1000’s of murders till you find one that kinda fits your race related rants yet when questioned about the other 1000’s you get all bent out of shape. Why is that?
            What am I doing? Preaching the importance of staying in school, and saying no to drugs. From there all those other problems will take care of themselves.

          • The “reverands” don’t need to souly concentrate on “black on black” violence when closet bigots on the far right such as yourself make sure that THAT is the ONLY topic discussed when gun violence is brought up. The police are constantly against bikers? Why isn’t the white community coming out in hoards testifying against bikers the way they demand blacks do the same for gang bangers? Sure would make the police’s jobs a lot easier.
            Diddle, your rant might come off as authentic, but you CONservatives have a nasty habit as using entire communities as catch-all phrases to describe criminals (ei blacks) terrorists (ei Muslims) and “illegal aliens” (latinos). Be honest. The right wants police to crack down on drug dealers because they feel that the majority of them are visable minorities and they go easy on drug addicts because a lot of them come from their own families.

          • limp its the 10 to 20% of the community that causes all the problems in a community whether the community is black or white. And while you don’t agree with it the vast majority of white people (and asians and east indians probably to) see them as criminals and for the most part have no contact with bikers and the bikers are not terrorizing their neighbourhoods (until the got right out of control in Quebec and the community rose up and as a result they were shut down – they are still there but commit their crimes quietly now). Like most communities if the crime is hidden and within livable limits no one is going to say anything however if the crime gets so out of control than thats when the affected community has to rise up and with the help of authourites take back their neighbourhood. The people in the suburbs don’t care and won’t help so it’s up to the people who live there to do it. This is easy to do in white neighbourhoods, for the most part, because its usually not a race issue but with the inner cities it turns into a huuuge race issue where the race issue ends up overshadowing the crime issue and at the end of the day due to politics and political correctness everyone bows down to the race issue and the crime issue is ignored and continues on unabated.

          • So the “10-20%” of apopulation is indicative to an entire community? Can I apply that line of thinking towards the white community? I mean “10-20%” (I’m probably being generous) of ya’ll are drug addicted sexual deviants, so I guess I’m justified in thinking that ALL white people are of such and should hold the other 80% responsible as well.

          • You certainly aren’t getting a lot smarter as time passes are you.

          • Sounds ridiculous when I apply that line of thinking to whites, doesn’t it? But it makes PERFECT sense to “I’m-not-racist” right wing pundits when applied toward the black community, right?
            Nah, you guys aren’t racist. What double standard?

          • Um…did you know that in the USA that the FBI keeps crime stats based on race? No really they do and you can google them and read them and they can give you a picture of whats really going on out there. Canada doesn’t keep race based stats for a variety of reasons but mostly because they would tell the truth and of course no-one wants to hear the truth and its easier to say, “Oh yeah where did you find those stats?” knowing full well that there will be none because it was them that demanded that none be collected.
            I laugh about your white sex offender rants and mass shooters rants for a number of reasons but mostly because you know that the media goes out of it’s way not to report race based crimes when the criminal is black, yet has no such restraints when the criminal is white. No-one would be able to tell you the name of a white person who has been killed by a black police officer but does that mean it has never happened and if it has why hasn’t it been front page news? But when its a white officer and a black guy then it becomes news right?
            This goes for all other crimes as well. Are there more white sex offenders? Absolutely there are just because there are more white people so there will be more of them based on that alone. Now the important thing is to keep them in jail where they can’t hurt anyone else but who likes to keep opening the door to their jail cell letting them out? You!!! Hey don’t think I am against the death penalty for these guys because I am not. Hey I’ll show you how non-racist I am. How about we bring back the death penalty for white murderers/rapists and the black guys can just do life in prison? See it’s a double standard but I don’t mind that at all.

          • He Black Fist. I will type this really slowly so you can understand. We are talking about the incidence of violent crime. Of course there has always been violence here, but never as high as it has been with the influx of Blacks. Stop denying and rationalizing. Blacks need to take care of their own and deal with their violent thugs or someone else will. Stop complaining to whites about a problem that is 100% the fault of blacks.

          • So white crime is everyone’s problem, but “black crime” is just blacks problems? Seems the only ones doing the complaining are far removed closet bigots using gun violence as an excuse to air out the racist views.

          • You speak garbage you fool. Everything I wrote is g-ddam true so don’t shoot the messenger, buddy. Just because you don’t like the reality of this increase in violence does not make this RACIST! You don’t get to define the terms on a one sided basis. This is just an excuse for white hating black bigots, who blame whites for their problems, to project their racist hatred. If speaking the absolute truth is racist, then you have hijacked the meaning of the word, you fool. But know that you are lying to yourself while you are b-llshitting me.

          • Calm down, closet bigot. Your bed sheets are showing.

            What I don’t like are coward closet bigots (that would be you) ignoring basic truths, twisting lies and using the tragic lost of a young life as a mechanism to spread their lies and hate (while proclaiming it as being “fact”). THAT makes you racist, fool. Ignoring and down playing ALL white atrocities and solely concentrate on the residual after affects left behind by the legacy of white racism.
            I don’t get to “define the terms on a 1 sided basis”? Haven’t you whites been doing exactly that up until THIS point in history? Is THAT why you closet bigots are on a campaign to redefine what constitutes racism these days? Because you no longer get to “define the terms”? Yeah, I would be scared if I were you too. You monolithic grip on power is slowly slipping and it’s a beautiful thing.
            How about whites “accept responsibility” the way they demand other communities to do the same? Your silly campaign to try and label a black people racist is silly. IF African Americans have a grudge against white ameirca, I think they have MORE than enough reason to do so. But that simply isn’t the reality. It’s your white guilt compelling you to think that is the case.

          • Sorry a-hole. You don’t tell me to do anything you shit-hole you You are the sad pathetic racist jerk-off. How about you walk through the Jane and Finch area as-wipe? You never would in a hundred years because you are afraid of Black thugs as well.. SO go away a rot you racist dirt-bag BLACKFIST. Your name says it all.

          • I walk through jane and finch everyday. I’ve been doing that since I was old enough to ride the ttc on my own. Why don’t YOU do it? Oh yeah, because you’re a coward closet bigot who only feels brave online. You probably tried one time before and found out the hard way it isn’t a safe place for white racists to air their beliefs.
            & good luck with your anger management issues, which you clearly have. I hope I don’t read about you taking your daddy’s “legal” firearms and shooting up some school in the boonies some day, mikie boy. Those kind of gun crime seems white in nature.

          • Why would Jane and Finch not be a safe place to be at night? Who lives there that makes it unsafe for white people?

          • Other white people.

          • I just checked the crime stats and that doesn’t appear to be it. Guess again.

          • Really? Where did you get those facts? The stormfront page? & do wiggers count as blacks or whites in those stats?

          • This is the same answer I typed in another one of your comments…it applies to this comment as well…Um…did you know that in the USA that the FBI keeps crime stats based on race? No really they do and you can google them and read them and they can give you a picture of whats really going on out there. Canada doesn’t keep race based stats for a variety of reasons but mostly because they would tell the truth and of course no-one wants to hear the truth and its easier to say, “Oh yeah where did you find those stats?” knowing full well that there will be none because it was them that demanded that none be collected.
            I laugh about your white sex offender rants and mass shooters rants for a number of reasons but mostly because you know that the media goes out of it’s way not to report race based crimes when the criminal is black, yet has no such restraints when the criminal is white. No-one would be able to tell you the name of a white person who has been killed by a black police officer but does that mean it has never happened and if it has why hasn’t it been front page news? But when its a white officer and a black guy then it becomes news right?
            This goes for all other crimes as well. Are there more white sex offenders? Absolutely there are just because there are more white people so there will be more of them based on that alone. Now the important thing is to keep them in jail where they can’t hurt anyone else but who likes to keep opening the door to their jail cell letting them out? You!!! Hey don’t think I am against the death penalty for these guys because I am not. Hey I’ll show you how non-racist I am. How about we bring back the death penalty for white murderers/rapists and the black guys can just do life in prison? See it’s a double standard but I don’t mind that at all.

          • limp have you noticed that, according to you, everyone else on here is a racist but you! How is that possible?

          • No, but I HAVE noticed that you don’t seem to be offended by anyone else’s racist comments accept mine.
            Why is that, mr.Diddles?

          • I am offended by everyone elses comments and, from time to time, but most times their comments are deleted by the monitors. However your racist comments are NEVER deleted for their racist comments so I key on your racist comments because it seems you enjoy some type of immunity from censorship; which is something most of the other hardcore racists don’t have.

          • Maybe the monitors feel that white wing racists have been posting online with near impunity (thanks to Harper’s KKKonservative’s bill C304), so the only fair thing to do is to let the other side have their say too. I mean, you con bots are always going on about “freedom of speech”, right? Or does that only apply to views that you agree with?

          • No I believe in freedom of speech for their hate and for your hate. I don’t mind speaking out against both but its hard to comment on comments after they have been deleted. Unlike all lefties and all liberals, your racist comments don’t hurt my feelings or offend me. I take then as your point of view and respond with non-racist counters, which of course you try to twist into being racist but we both know they are not. You have no counter for them but more of your racist hate, which is why the same problems continue to be problems. You know its MY fault for everything because I have white skin.

          • But you’re NOT speaking out against both….check your post history. It’s very telling. You only seem to find offense with MY form of racism. You ONLY feel the need to speak out against “reverse” racism.
            The very fact that you find the need to reply to my EVERY disparaging word shows that my words DO indeed ‘hurt your feelings or offends you’.

          • Actually I find you very entertaining. At times I see sparks of understanding in some of your rants and I start to think that hey maybe this guy could actually do something for the problem and then you say something completely boneheaded and then I am not so sure.
            Fighting hate and intolerence with hate and intolerance has never worked. I am not telling you to roll over but most of the racists on here are ignorant and simple and when you reply to them in kind it makes you look ignorant and simple as well. If you want to be involved in the contest to see who can be the simpliest and most ignorant then I certainly can’t stop you.
            But like I have said many times before I key on you because the monitors don’t. So many of your comments have been so over the line racist and sexist that I can’t believe they haven’t been deleted by the monitors. Many times I read your racist replies to a racist comment that has been deleted yet your equally racist reply is still there. That must be one of those double standards you talk so much about.

    • So, to your logic, that whole Tory Stafford and Russell Williams thing was white-on-white violence and should be addressed as such?
      Remember Project Orange?
      & the day a certain community vocally and unanimously speaks out against their Biker heroes as opposed to down playing and turning a blind eye to their criminal endeavors is the day they have the right to tell other communities to do the same.

      • Neither of the above were killed by guns and neither of the above were described as being killed by “hand violence”. Both were accurately ascribed to nutbars who went to jail. Your example is ridiculous.

        • Okay, how about the worst gang related massacre in Ontario’s history? That had guns, bikers the whole shebang. So did the Louis Russo shooting. & the Little Italy shooting during the world cup in Toronto.
          Are those white-on-white gang/gun violence? Are the white community doing everything in their power to rid our society of bikers, the mafia and various European crime syndicates?

          • Both. I would hope. It has nothing to do with colour. Deflecting it to “gun violence” is avoiding the issue. The issue now is black gangs, not the Mafia or the bikers.

          • So you don’t want to concentrate on “gun violence’ which affects everyone, but rather you want to focus on “black gangs”. Now why would you want to do that? How is focusing on black gangs addressing the Hells Angels? How is focusing on single black mothers addressing the Italian mafia or the Irish west end gang in montreal?
            It seems YOU’RE the one doing the “deflecting” just to give you the platform to air out your racist grievances in the guise of being “concerned”.

  3. We never had concentrated violence and crime before welfare. The minute you pack 1000 suites into a building and then fill it with unstable family units you are recreating the Dickensian slums of the Victorian age. Add the incentive of questionable business dealings to avoid losing OW and subsidized housing then you have a recipe for disaster. Look at Regent’s Park. They took it down and built a new, mixed income area and what is happening? The gangs are moving back in. Soon all those unsold condos will be converted to social housing and the gangs will be in there as well. Toronto will be Detroit in twenty years.

    • Really? You read your own post about West Side Story? Every hear of the Mafia? How about the Irish Mob?

      Now look up the Murder Capital of Canada, and stop being silly.

      PS they didn’t have high rise apartments in Dickens time

      • I don’t interact with ‘bots.

        • Translation: you have no answers

          • Typical right wing deflective strategy. You are absolutely right. Right wing racists get offended when you point out that they’re right wing racists.

    • Although I agree with your assertion that the very structural design of public housing contributes to its own decay, I have to disagree with your suggestion that there was never any concentrated violence and crime before welfare. Revitalization means very little if they are ignoring the very elements that lead to the physical and social decay of most housing communities, such as making it its own little world as opposed to being integrated and being part of the community as a whole. Why should housing be declared such and be designed in a way that automatically suggests this section is where the poor people are.

      • Is it not the people themselves who make the place they live good or bad? Who goes around thinking, “I don’t like the building where I live so I am going to go around and shoot the other people who live here.” Please explain this limp.

        • Hey, Diddler. Where you been?
          Actually, since you fall under the “far removed from the situation” category, I’ll try to break it down for you as simple as I can. You see, most of the time, the shooters come from OTHER neighbourhoods. I know you ‘I’m-not-racist’ right wingers feel that all poor black minorities operate under one mind link and share thoughts telepathically, ergo, we ALL (according to popular right wing belief) MUST ‘know who did it’, but more than likely the shooters came from outside the area, so holding the residence of the area responsible for the actions of outsiders is pretty nonsensical (unless, of course, you live in the land of CONservatives). You’re blaming the victims for being victims in typical right wing fashion. But in the world of “I’m not racist” CONservatives, blacks CAN’T be victims….ONLY perps.

          • limp, unlike you, I don’t need to hear myself talk on every newspaper story. I have other things to fill my time. But as for your latest racist comments: You mean those two kids in Toronto were killed by KKK clansmen who came into the inner city from the rich suburbs? This is new is it not or does this happen a lot in Toronto? And when I said they come from somewhere else I didn’t mean they came from the inner city neighbourhood of the next block; which is controlled by another gang. I understand that the inner city neighbourhoods each have there own gangs and therefore have to travel to the next block to shoot it out; which of course, as you state, means they “come from OTHER neighbourhoods.” Yes limp thats as astute observation, pointless, but astute.
            So limp who are these shooters from other inner city neighbourhoods? Who are their victims and why are they picking on those victims? Why can’t they all just get along?

          • No, but you have this insatiable need to follow me around like a lost puppy dog, but I’m flattered by the attention. Well Diddle, if you are as “concerned” about black gun violence as you claim, maybe you should ask who is supplying these kids with the guns their using, because more than likely, they’re coming from people from your neck of the woods. Your limited knowledge on this subject is only compounded by your unwillingness to learn due to your right wing racist closed mindedness…with a sprinkle of unmerited self-righteousness

          • limp limp limp…one has to ask when it comes to inner city violence how come it is NEVER the fault of the people who live there but is ALWAYS someone elses fault. Lots of shootings and gun murders well then its the gun makers fault, unemployment well thats because someone else won’t hire minorities, hich school dropout rates well thats cause minority schools are different than white schools, one parent fatherless familes well thats a dysfunction caused somehow by white people, minorities over-represented in prisons well thats because the entire justice system is racist, high crime rates it cause the police don’t care about the inner cities, crime rates go down and lives are saved its a racist stop and frisk policy that unfairly targets minorities, good gosh limp the list just goes on and on…where does blaming everyone else end?

          • Oh, my poor delusional Mr. Diddles. It’s so simple, yet so complicated for your middle class white male mind to process. Because the people who live in the ghettoes never designed the projects they lived in. The people who live there never told the lily white folk to high tail it out of the city taking the jobs along with them. & the people who live there aren’t the ones who flooded poor areas with narcotics and army issued weapons with the help of the CIA under the Reagan years either. You seem to like concentrating on the symptoms of the problem but conveniently ignore how the problem was started in the first place and what role the white community played in all that. You say minority schools are “different” than white schools. Why is that? Is it because white schools were being funded by the government while black schools were left to rot for generations? Nah. That COULDN’T be it.

            & you white people spend your energy thinking up new ways and reasons to send people to jail or “deport” (a popular CONservative catch phrase) and THEN you have nerve to talk about “single parent homes”? Canada’s immigration laws alone broke up immigrant families for years. Don’t get self righteous and talk about single parent homes when you’re kind has been on a campaign to decimate the black family for generations.

            There wasn’t any plea-bargain deals given out to people getting caught with cocaine UNTIL white folks started getting catch with it. That within itself is telling. But systemic racism is something your white privilege shields you from. Lucky you.

          • Soooo, like I said, it is always someone elses fault. Thanks for comfirming that. I’ll bet you things wil change when people start taking responsibility for their own lives and their own communities instead of always blaming someone else for there problems. How about we break the cycle and try personally responsibilty for a switch? The status quo doesn’t work, welfare doesn’t work, so how about staying in school and off drugs. Its funny how every black althlete thanks his Mom, Aunt or Grandparents for his success by keeping after him to stay in school, off drugs, off the streets and out of gangs. Can you not see that THAT is the path? Don’t listen to it from a white guy like me go and get your advice from successful black men/women. I’ll bet not one of them will tell you to drop out of school, do drugs, and run the streets in a gang. Go ask one and then come back and tell me what they say.

          • This coming from the people who blame black drug dealers for their kids drug addictions or black pimps for their daughter’s promiscuity? Or the real kicker (& my personal favorite), it was rap music that turned poor, innocent Billy into a juvenile delinquent. Way to “take responsibility”.
            You white folk flood OUR neighbourhoods with police, lock up or deport all of our young men for ANYTHING (you’re even willing to change laws to make it EASIER to do so) then have the nerve to get on your sanctimonious soapbox and tell others about “taking responsibility” and the ‘breakdown of the black family”? You deny people from poor neighbourhoods jobs because they’re from poor neighbourhoods, and then have the audacity to ask ‘why don’t they just work’?
            Your kind is the worst kind of hypocrites. The ‘do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do’ type.

          • Surely you know how weak and lax both the Canadian Justice system and the Immigration system are. If anyone, of any race, ends up in jail or being deported they have to have committed a single crime that is so bad that even both systems can’t look the other way for it; or they have had so many run-ins with the criminal justice system that the immigration system can’t look the other way. We all know that it takes months and months to get to court and yrs and yrs to play the immigration game so quit complaining about those who go to jail or get deported. The bottom line is they get exactly what they deserved. If you are not a Canadian citizen then maybe you just try not to commit crimes in Canada (thats goes for asians and europeans to because they get booted out of the country as well – even though you don’t believe it).
            You can’t hire people who make themselves unemployable thats why its important to stay in school, off drugs and out of gangs. Remember how I asked you to talk to successful black men/women and get advice from them on how the managed to get a good life? Go ask them and follow their advice rather than whining to me about all the reasons why I am holding you back. Because I am not holding you back you are using me as an excuse for going no-where. If anything I encourage you to stay in school so that you can get a good job and raise a family in a safe neighbourhood. Its the hate, towards white people, that is already inside YOU that makes you think I am against you.

          • You, like Zimmerman, operate under the assumption that I’m not going anywhere, that I have nothing and that I’m some poor angry black kid criminal. How could have enough time to spend online debating you unless I was financially stable? How do you know I don’t own my own business? How do you know I’m not one of those same successful blacks you speak of? It seems you’re using me as an excuse to justify your obvious closet bigotry and white guilt, but your assumptions of me only further illustrates what I’ve been saying. You see me as a ‘blame whitey’ black guy and have little to no sympathy for my lot in life (which you have no idea what that is, but that’s besides the point). Now if I were to try and get a job and was faced with someone like you who already pre judged me, what are the chances of me getting that job? I bet you will say ‘as long as I have the “credentials”, there shouldn’t be a problem’. But your white privilege has conditioned you to think that. The truth is your kind is incapable of NOT showing racial bias as much as you are incapable of admitting to said bias in the first place.

          • I never said you were unemployed. If you have made it through the hardships of inner city Toronto and propered then it’s up to you to go back and show other black youths the way out. You can call me racist everyday for the rest of your life and it won’t change the fact that I am not nor will it help one black kid living in the inner city. The reverend’s will be darn proud of you but thats about it.

          • prospered…

          • I think the bigger question is where are these kids learning to use them on other human beings. Where does this come from? Who teaches them to do this? There are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of guns in the rural areas of both Canada and the US but the gun crime rate for the rural areas is almost non-existant. Why can guns be so safe in the country but so dangerous in the inner city? Why do you sit by why all these kids are dying in the inner city but take such offence about the Zimmerman shooting?

          • “where are these kids learning to use them on other human beings…”

            Well one thing we do know, it’s NOT the fault of white corporate America for saturating our airwaves and packaging sex, drugs and violence to an increasingly younger generation. Nope. DEFINATELY not THEIR fault.

            “There are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of guns in the rural areas of both Canada and the US but the gun crime rate for the rural areas is almost non-existent.”

            Aren’t rural areas where all of these mass school shootings are happening? But I guess that doesn’t count as “gun crime” to you?

            ” Why do you sit by why all these kids are dying in the inner city but take such offence about the Zimmerman shooting?”

            The ONLY ones ‘sitting by’ are arm-chair rightwing retarded closet bigots shaking their sanctimonious heads when discussing gun violence. Because aside from going online and posting racist messages on threads like this, your kind has NOTHING to offer to the discussion accept for racist rants and disingenuous “concerns”.

            So how come the Zimmerman case had “nothing to do with race” but the Australian jogger being gunned down has EVERYTHING to do with race (according to rightwing KKKonservatives) even though 1 of the suspects himself was white and another suspect was raised by his white mother?

          • Death Row ecords and Bad Boy Entertainment want to apologise for filling the airwaves with all that violence, sex and hate. They said that you would understand. At first they had a hard time believing that they played any part in all this violence.
            Like I said there are lots of guns in rural areas and there is crime and murders in rural areas but it is nothing like the crime and number of murders in the inner city. If the inner city could reduce its crime/murder rate to that of the rural areas the inner city would be the place to live for everyone. Right now no-one wants to live there and, like yourself, move out as soon as they are able to find the means to get out.
            Actually if I was really racist wouldn’t I just stay quiet and let blacks keep killing blacks because thats who the vast majority of their victims are? Instead I speak on here to try and get people to wake up and realize that they only people who can stem the violence is the people themselves. Guns will never go away so people had better learn to live with guns in their midst. Its like living next to the ocean; you can’t drain the ocean because people keep drowning in it you have to educate people on how to live safely next to it.
            I don’t see much difference between the murder of James Byrd Jr (dragged to death in 1998 in Jasper, Texas) and the murder of the jogger Chris Lane. Both of which are heartbreakingly tragic. But don’t you find it odd how one was a media and race relations circus and the other was ho-hum, a white guy was killed, lets go for lunch?
            The Zimmerman/Martin shooting is no difference than the Daniel Adkins murder in April/13 where a black guy (his name has not been released and he hasn’t been arrested – sound familiar?) shot and killed ADKINS in a Taco Bell parking lot. The black guy’s claiming self-defence and who knows if it’s true or not but where’s the circus for this killing? Where is the reverend’s search for the truth? Does anyone even know that this murder even occurred?
            All this ranting about the justice system being racist and prejudiced against blacks during the Zimmerman trial yet not a word spoken about Roderick Scott (who’s black) being found not guilty for killing 16 yr old teenager Chris Cervini (who’s white), in self defence, for breaking into his car? Maybe it was the right verdict but why was there not the same media circus for Cervini as there was for Martin? Care to explain that? Maybe things are not as racist as you would like to believe. There are still embers of racism out there and it takes experts like the reverends to stir them up.

          • & who owned Death Row Records? Death Row records was being distributed through interscope records. Who owned interscope records? Jimmy Ivene. What’s Jimmy Ivene? I’ll give you a hint: NOT black. But let’s ignore all that. & if you REALLY want to blame someone, blame all the suburban white kids who help make gangster rap a billion dollar industry.

            “Like I said there are lots of guns in rural areas and there is crime and murders in rural areas but it is nothing like the crime and number of murders in the inner city.”

            That’s because you live in RURAL areas. As in NOBODY is around. Your population isn’t even half of a major metropolis. Greater number of people=greater number of crime. In order for the inner city to have the kind of numbers in regards to crime per capita, they would have to reduce the number of people living there. What an asinine argument. I thought you were smarter than that. My mistake.

            “…Instead I speak on here to try and get people to wake up and realize that they only people who can stem the violence is the people themselves.”
            Ah, our shining white knight coming to save us through enlightenment. So tell me, enlightened one, when exactly did you become “concerned” with gun violence? What made you take it upon yourself to “try & get people to wake up”? & why are you limited to just spreading hate online? Why don’t you volunteer in a poor neighbourhood? Why don’t you mentor one of these kids you claim to be trying to save? Nah, that’s too hard. Better to go online and cheerlead the right wing closet bigots in their hate campaign. How are you trying to “get people to wake up” when you’re still sleeping comfortably in your white privilege?
            Please go ahead and illustrate the long history of systemic racism against whites………………I’m waiting……………before OJ, how many blacks ever got away with killing whites? Now how many whites got away with killing blacks through out AmeriKKKa’s history….? Conveniently ignoring the facts and taking things out of context doesn’t make your argument any more valid.

          • limp…you are right that Jimmy was involved with Death Row when it was involved in “hip-hop” music but as soon as it became hardcore gangsta rap and the label became involved in crime Interscope dropped them like a hot potato. But yet again its a white guys fault right? Funny how its always a white person’s fault is it not?
            If it is white surbuban kids that make it a billion dolar industry than all the black rappers should be thankful that these kids are spending their money on their music. Of course one would think that if the suburbs would be a lot more dangerous than the inner city because of all the surburban gangbangers, yet its not. Hmmmm what could it be? ANy guesses?
            My argument, which your are unable to understand, is that there are more guns in rural areas (meaning farm country and the surrounding small towns – not out in the middle of the Nevada desert – please try and use your head and stay with the argument). The same guns are in the hands of rural folks (whom you refer to as white KKKonservative rednecks) and yet they hardly kill anybody yet the inner city is full of people who don’t think twice about killing anyone. There must be a reason for that, or no?
            “shining white knight” – this is the reson why your problems are still problems. No white person can provide any advice to help a minority. You just proved it yourself. Can you imagine if I said “white” people should take “black” people and mentor them on the pathway to a good life? Can you imagine? Why the reverends would both have strokes over that one. How about you limp? How a black person takes another troubled black person and mentors them on how to lead a productive life? Has anyone every thoguht of that? According to you white people CAUSED all your problems and now you want white people to mentor black people? Oh my how long would it be before the NAACP considered that brainwashing and whiteifying them? Good gosh limp that may be the worst thing you have ever said. The reverends would do more good leaving their mansions and goign out into the neighbourhoods and actually mentoring some of the kids that need help now rather than stand up later and point fingers at the “white” people who failed them.
            “white privilege” is easy to obtain you know. Hers the formula: stay in school, stay off drygs, stay out of a gang and after graduating get a job, a wife, a mortagage and raise a family. Thats it. Thats “white privilege.” Its pretty boring so I can see why a lot of people are not interested in it.
            No black as EVER found not guilty of murdering a white person before OJ? OJ was the first one? Are you sure because that sounds made up.
            Sadly yes America (and to a lesser extent Canada) has a long history of racism. However, while reverends still like to pretend that its 1770 its 2013 and times have changed for the better. Not perfect but if a black man can be elected President of that same racist USA (according to the reverends) then obviously a black inner city kid should be able to get his grade 12 and then find a job. There will never not be racism so if you are holding your breath for the end of it I wouldn’t recommend it. Can you tell me how Asians and East Indians seem to prosper under the same racist conditions that you face? Or do they face a different type of racism or no racism at all?
            Have you ever heard of the indentured servant? Probably not so google it and see what they were, it might expand your mind. Once you know maybe go around and see how many white people can trace their ancestors to these people.

          • Yes, they were dropped by Interscope AFTER they made them a couple million and picked upby ANOTHER greedy white distribution label. But let’s not concentrate on that (did you know a Canadian owns the rights to death row records today? Guess what color she is)

            & I bet those rappers are eternally thankful for dumb, identity crisis having whites from the burbs (like Molly Cyrus) making gangster rap a billion dollar industry. But it seems it affects suburban whites more than urban blacks. The burbs are not as “dangerous” because it is more prosperous. These kids are “playing” gangsta not actually “being”. That’s white privilege. You can pretend to be something you’re not then revert back to your privileged ways when things get to real. Besides, they are not doing police raids in the burbs and randomly targeting rural kids. Maybe they should with all these mentally unstable mass shooters coming from those areas.

            They hardly kill anybody? You mean in gang-land style fashion. What about domestic abuse involving firearms? How’s the percentage of that in rural areas compared to urban settings? How come the worst massacre in Ontario’s history happened in rural Ontario and NOT Toronto? How come ALL the rcmp officers who have ever been shot and killed were done so by rural farmers or in the boonies (most with their legally own fire arms)? & again, rural AmeriKKKa might not have many gangland style killings, but it is the random mass killing capitol, which is becoming more and more frequent (being carried out by “mentally unstable” white males)

            ” No white person can provide any advice to help a minority.”

            You call what you’re doing “giving advice”? That’s a laugh. I wouldn’t take advice from your kind for the same reasons why I don’t take money advice from poor people. How would you know what ills me from a distance? Where is this advice coming from? Personal experience? “Concern” for the black community? Your kind is too disingenuous to be taken seriously. I don’t believe you actually want poor urban blacks to rise above their current state. I think your sanctimonious, self righteous ‘I’m not racist’ white folk relish in it. Maybe even find some sick pleasure in saying ‘see, I told you so’. Meanwhile, ignoring, downplaying and flat out denying EVERY and ALL aspects in which the legacy of white racism played a role in today’s current state of urban north ameriKKKa. How convenient of you.

            “How a black person takes another troubled black person and mentors them on how to lead a productive life?”

            Oh, my poor privileged Diddles. Since you are nowhere near these communities that you claim to be so “concerned” for, there’s no way for you to know that those things happen everyday, in every neighbourhood in every part of the country. Your white wing bretherin call them “hug-a-thug” programs, which is like the WORST idea EVER and a big waste of money, according to the far right.

            “According to you white people CAUSED all your problems and now you want white people to mentor black people?”

            Really? I said THAT? I think your white guilt is showing. I said you whites like to downplay the role you and your ancestors played in creating the same conditions that you complain about today. You refuse to accept ANY responsibility, & yet have the nerve to tell others to do just that. & why do you deal with absolutes? There’s enough blame to go around but it seems white people feel they shouldn’t have to shoulder ANY of it. I guess that’s how you people sleep comfortably at night.

            “white privilege” is easy to obtain you know. Hers the formula: stay in school, stay off drygs, stay out of a gang and after graduating get a job, a wife, a mortagage and raise a family. Thats it.”

            Ah, but if that were true, then professional blacks (like the president of the U.S) WOULDN’T be echoing the same sentiments of their poor counterparts in regards to racial profiling and inequality in the workplace and the justice system. Are rich whites facing the same discrimination as poor white trash? No, they are not. But rich professional blacks go through the same harassments as poor black ones. Why is that, Diddles?

            “However, while reverends still like to pretend that its 1770 its 2013 and times have changed for the better.”

            & right wing pundits like yourself like to pretend as if racism was soooo long ago and we dealt with it already and now it really wasn’t as bad as it sound. Both assertions couldn’t be more wrong.

            “Can you tell me how Asians and East Indians seem to prosper under the same racist conditions that you face?”
            Today’s immigrants are vastly different than yesterdays. Today’s immigrants come with money and education BEFORE they reach north American soil where as most immigrants from the past were fleeing their homelands in search of those two things and had next to no resources (it’s called ‘starting from the bottom’). Again, your white privilege/arrogance is showing. On top of the fact that they kept their money within their own communities.
            Diddles, you’re kind is the worst kind. You’re absolutely blind and forgiving to white racism but find everything is “racist” against the white man. You will NEVER convince ANYBODY (other than another delusional white boy) of that silly scenario. White racism is too embedded in history to ignore. Despite the rights best efforts, history will never forget especially when your kind is essentially still practicing a covert style of systemic racism. Get used to that ‘white guilt’ feeling.

          • Um…and this is just a guess here but I think it’s because the RCMP are rural police forces and cities have their own police forces.
            Yes I have been called a ignorant do-good white person many times.
            “The worst kind”??? Yes that is usually what the race baiters and the reverends call the white people who provided ideas that don’t come with money or some kind of social program. Ideas that focus on personal responsibility never seem to catch on with the race baiters, the reverends or you. You ever notice that its the one thing that has never been tried through all these turbulent years.
            But getting away from me and white people what did the successful black men and women have to say? I mean you did go and talk to them did you not? I doubt you did because you already know they will tell you what you don’t want to hear. Why go get advice from a successful black person when you can spout hate instead.

          • Asians and East Indians are all coming over and are loaded with cash AND education so they can find jobs and fit right in??? Is that it? They I guess what YOU are saying is that it the colour of their skin is not what counts but having an education and to a smaller extent money, IS what counts? Ha ha ha ha you just said it yourself. EDUCATION is the key!!! If whites were as racist as you like to believe then, unless asians and east indians skin has become white, how can they not be suffering from the same crushing white racism that blacks do?
            I’m not stupid so I know there is racism out there and it touches all races to different degrees and I also know you will never be rid of it but it is nothing like it was in the past and is getting better everyday as each new generation becomes more aware of it. But having you rant over and over again how white racism is whats holding blacks back, when other races such as mexican, asian, east indian, are able to prosper and live good north American lives just doesn’t make any sense to anyobe but yourself and the reverends. Maybe go and talk to them as well to see how they have figured it out and maybe they’ll be able to enlighten you because a white person is never going to be able to get through to you (maybe Justa trudeau might but then he’s a pop smoking entitled millionaire brat of white elites so what can he possibly know about inner city problems)

  4. There was a spike in crime rates when the West Indian community started moving to Toronto a number of years ago. Gee! What a coincidence.

    • ‘West Indians’ arrived in Canada in 1796….

      That’s 27 countries ya know…..oh wait, are you doing it by colour?

      • Here’s a fine example of Emy answering her own rhetorical questions and giving another master class on the art of paraphrasing oblique terms of reference. We’re all so richer for the experience. What’s next Emy, Redundancy 101? Oh please sign us all up for that one.

        • You suppose you could stick to the topic at hand?

          Oh and leave your hood at home.

    • While everyone’s entitled to their opinion, the person who didn’t ‘like’ this post is either Jamaican or you just don’t like statistics.

      • Or maybe they’re not big on the KKK

        • Stop this you silly Troll. Are you Black? Or are you a stupid white Liberal who is easy with the KKK accusations, you foul creature. Or are you too afraid to reveal yourself!!! These people are telling the truth and you are a silly liar for attacking us with your ad hominem attacks. IF the truth bothers you, don’t kill the messenger.

          • a) Look up ‘troll’

            b) It’s quite legal to be black.

            c) I’ve been here for longer than you have. My name is Emily

            d) Stop being a racist ass.

          • Asking your skin colour is not racist you liar. So stop you evil mouth. There is only one human race so stop buying all this purposely fraudulent B.S about different races. If you refuse to admit the truth about the difference between past immigration and this one then you are deluded, but stop calling me a racist you foul lefty. Tell me what your skin colour is! Why are you so afraid to do that? And how the hell do you know I’m not Black? Aren’t you therefore racist?

          • Racists never like to be called on it I’ve noticed. Seems to freak them out.

            There is no difference between this immigration and any other one. There is a known pattern for settling in. After a couple of centuries most of us are familiar with it.

            Always brings out the bigots too.

            PS And I’m not left. Sorry

            Go lie down with a cold cloth.

          • So the old racist tag again, you foul, lying evil shrew. You know nothing about my identity and assume I am white because of my points. That is racism, honey. So pot calling the kettle? It is pure idiocy like yours that gets me all angry and frustrated. That someone could be so stupid, ignorant or purposely lying so blatantly.You cannot silence me with your Alinsky type tactics of personal destruction with your false labels. Well, as you can see, I am well equipped to deal with pathetic haters like you who willingly do the propaganda work of those that are lying to all of us. Why don’t you tell me what your skin colour is? Why are you so unwilling? Is it wrong to be Black? Is it wrong to be White? Why haven’t you responded to any of my queries in the previous post. You attack, but none of your responses are factual, just the irrational emotional answers one expects from the likes of you. So flame away silly girl, but prove me wrong, like a real man would.

          • Blah, blah, blah….the topic here is a shooting in Toronto, not your ego.

          • So another emotional response, from a predictable sap. Not even a shred of decency in you to answer my charge, you racist creep. You hate whitey and you won’t admit it. Choke on it honey.

          • I’m Celtic hon….whiter than flour. Sorry.

            Now trot the racism and the sexism elsewhere

          • Hey Emily. Maybe your skin is white, that doesn’t change my opinion of you as a jerk. You haven’t refuted nor addressed any of my points BECAUSE YOU CAN’T. SO stew in your multiculturalism and I dare you to walk in the Jane and Finch area if you think I’m wrong.

          • Mike…pedal the racism elsewhere. I’m not interested.

          • The old racist tag is fitting for old racist, you fool. You are white because any TRUE victim of racism doesn’t share your asinine entitled opinion and your obvious lack of understanding of the subject only further exposes your natural born entitlement, which seems to be a prerequisite within the white community. Spare me your ridiculous reverse racism angle, because it couldn’t possibly exist without white racism. Your talking points are nonsensical and just plain idiot.
            White racists complaining about racism is like a bully complaining about being bullied to the same people they tormented. Your cries are falling on deaf ears until you own up to your own racism FOR ONCE in your existence.

          • BLACK BIGOT. Black white hating racist pig.You have only yourselves to blame you effed up a-hole you. Blacks are the most murderous people on the planet Earth. And people like you are part of that evil. Stop blaming whites for the criminal ways of blacks. You are a racist retard for calling whites racist. How about this, ignoramus. Tens of thousands of white women were raped by blacks in the US last year, and not one rape of a black woman by a white male was reported. Which is the racist group, huh???? 55% of murders in the US are committed by 12% of the pop, ie, the Blacks. Today I read of 4 different incidents of Black on white racist attacks and NONE about whites attacking Blacks. SO crawl back in your hole and eff off.

          • “You are a racist retard for calling whites racist.”
            LMFAO @ this rightard loser bigot.
            Go iron out your bed sheets and straighten out your pointy hat.

          • And being black entitles you to be racist is that it limp??? You and Eric Robinson have a lot in common.

        • The West Indian community has nothing to fear from me. I knew of several Jamaican’s who dodged immigration because they didn’t want to return home. Turning to crime wasn’t a big leap of faith for them as Toronto has a huge underground economy that supports itself through drugs, prostitution, theft, and credit card scams. They’re not afraid to pack a weapon. The facts are clear in this issue.
          I traveled extensively through New Orleans, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, and had plenty of opportunity to see what racial prejudice was like from both the white and black perspective. Although the KKK doesn’t have any functioning affiliates in the GTA, there are numerous groups of white supremicist’s right here in Canada who are actively advocating whatever it is that they believe. Now there’s plenty of cause for alarm.

          • Yeah, the KKK is unofficially here. Always has been.

            And every city in the world has an underground economy.

          • Emy really can’t help herself as she suffers from that rare social disease called “lastworditis”. She’s really got a bad case of it. We tried to get her into a treatment center but they said that she just was too far gone. Poor thing.

          • Topic….Topic….Topic.

          • Your anal retentive attitude. Or is that too off topic for you Emy?

          • You don’t even know what that is. But when you lose an argument you attack me. Tsk tsk.

          • Emily is a robot. She responds to everything and anything. I am sure Macleans has her installed to provoke comments. She will even argue against her original argument. I don’t bother with her anymore.

          • Noop sorry….you just have no answers.

          • Yeah. She’s pathological. A control freak. I’ve seen cases like hers in the past. I doubt that she has much of a social life to speak of. If she didn’t have this forum she’d be a candidate for therapy.

          • LOL why are you two even on here? You have no answers, so you attack other posters. Why waste everyone’s time?

          • “Although the KKK doesn’t have any functioning affiliates in the GTA, there are numerous groups of white supremicist’s right here in Canada who are actively advocating whatever it is that they believe.”
            You should know, you’re obviously part of said group.

          • Sorry to disappoint you Blackie but I’ve got three boys who are what you might refer to as being mulatto. That means their mother was black. Having said that, however, I know that the black community’s never been able to own up to their shortcomings. Never been able to admit that whenever one of their own are shot to death right outside their homes, the odds are that the killers are black. Black’s steal, rob, pimp, sell drugs, and kill each other. Regardless of whether you want to admit it or not.

          • Typical white (oops, I mean ‘right’) wing rationale thinking because you’re attracted to black women that somehow makes you sympathetic towards black people or somehow gives you inside knowledge of the black psyche. But slave owners used to breed their slaves too, so the fact that you’re attracted to black women means next to nothing (& comes as little surprise considering they are highly desirable and more intriguing than your typically spoiled daddy’s little girl).
            Speaking of “never owning up to their shortcomings”, when are white parents going to stop blaming black drug dealers for their kids’ drug habits? Or blaming black pimps for their daughters willingness to participate in the sex industry? When are you going to admit that those same black kids probably got those guns from a lily white rural “legal” gun owner? When are whites going to admit that their Biker heroes are the ones supplying these dangerous black gang bangers with the same drugs and guns you’re complaining about?
            I guess blacks aren’t the only ones never owning up to their short comings. The difference is, our short comings have been studied to death and is out there for the world to see where as white people feel that as long as they sweep their short comings under the rug or just flat out deny them, that everything will be alright.
            White hypocrisy at its finest.

          • Blackie,
            Sure. Of course. Best of luck with all that.

          • I’m sure you address your mulatto kids in the same manner.

    • You’re right. The crime rate has been going down for the past 30 years. So the “spike” you speak of MUST be the decline. As tempting as it would be, the west indian community cannot take credit for that “spike” alone.

      Isn’t it funny how Toronto NEVER seems to make it in the top 5 most crime ridden cities in Canada, but little redneck rural towns always do?

  5. you white illegal trash are all terrorists and unwanted immigrants GET OFF OUR LAND! GO BACK TO STINKY EUROPE!

  6. white illegals GET OUT OF MY LAND! north America is OURS! the indians