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U.S. ambassador says leaks could hurt relations with Canada

Wikileaks trove of diplomatic cables said to include millions of documents


 

David Jacobson, the U.S. ambassador to Canada, has phoned minister of foreign affairs Lawrence Cannon to warn him about an upcoming release of sensitive diplomatic documents by the website WikiLeaks. The secret-spreading organization says its next leak, expected to be released within a few days, will be seven times larger then the 400,000 government reports—dubbed the Iraq War Logs—it unveiled in October. No details on the content of the documents have been released, but spokespeople for the U.S. government say they’re expected to erode trust between the country and its economic partners. “These revelations are harmful to the United States and our interests,” State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said. “They are going to create tension in relationships between our diplomats and our friends around the world.”

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U.S. ambassador says leaks could hurt relations with Canada

  1. Why does Canada get the blame? Is there something I'm missing?

    Is the government of Canada a sponsor for Wikileaks or something?

  2. Why does Canada get the blame? Is there something I'm missing?

    Is the government of Canada a sponsor for Wikileaks or something?

    • Who says Canada is being blamed for anything? Sounds more like a pre-emptive apology for what we're going to find out.

    • People’s illiteracy continues to confound me. No where does it say Canada is being blamed for anything. The State Dept. is preemptively warning/apologizing to Foreign Affairs and Canadians for the release of what will likely be secret and classified diplomatic documents. All countries talk about the others, even their allies, candidly and even disparagingly behind closed doors; its to be expected. Which is not to say that its embarrassing if these discussion come out. The stuff wikileaks has must be pretty bad if the State Dept. is going to the lengths of notifying Canadian media. Normally they’d just call the Minister.

      • Hey! Easy does it. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. You don't know how old the poster is, or anything about them. I admire those who ask and learn and strive to think critically, so kudos Oliver. Keep reading and keep learning.

        • Of course, it helps to read the article and not just the headline. Especially, these days, when often they are not only not related, but often contradictory. Not in this article though.

  3. I think what they mean was that the Wikileaks document could potentially make Canada doubt the trust we have toward the States… The title brings confusion.

  4. I think what they mean was that the Wikileaks document could potentially make Canada doubt the trust we have toward the States… The title brings confusion.

    • That's why its usually helpful to read beyond the title.

  5. Where does it say Canada gets the blame?

    The article suggests that the US has done something to offend us, and we'll be finding out Really Soon Now.

    I personally can't wait to find out!

  6. It;s likely that the candid comments made by U.S. officials in the leaked cables will show that those officials have a very low opinion of Canada, it's people, leaders and soldiers. That might cause tension. They probable contain loads of unflattering observations about all of America's "friends".

  7. Where does it say Canada gets the blame?

    The article suggests that the US has done something to offend us, and we'll be finding out Really Soon Now.

    I personally can't wait to find out!

  8. It;s likely that the candid comments made by U.S. officials in the leaked cables will show that those officials have a very low opinion of Canada, it's people, leaders and soldiers. That might cause tension. They probable contain loads of unflattering observations about all of America's "friends".

    • That will be the Conservative talking point, if they said something snarky about Harper.

    • This is the spin we can expect from those who will be embarrassed by the Wikileaks release: "These are the opinions of low level officials only".

      I personally think that there will be damning evidence of bad-faith negotiations and/or collusion in illegal activities between our respective diplomatic corps or even higher-level government officials on some fairly important files. These files may include softwood lumber, old NAFTA negotiations, or Maher Arar. I'm speculating on which files will be affected, but not, I think, on the nature of why Canadians will feel outraged. We expect a derisive attitude when dealing with the American government, so why would a few insults here or there lead to this sort of global pre-emptive damage control? It's gotta be bigger than a few harsh comments behind closed doors.

    • Maybe Canada should consider paying for its share of North American defense if we can no longer depend on our big brother to the south to defend us.

  9. Who says Canada is being blamed for anything? Sounds more like a pre-emptive apology for what we're going to find out.

  10. Why are people so surprised about the politics of the USA and other countries. I mean isn't 'Politics' just another word for hippocratism?
    Think about it… look around at what really goes on behind the scenes.
    The only reason the USA is so guared about all these leaks is because there is far more red the white or blue on their faces… The true colour is showing… But fear not, if wiki leeks documents about any other governments I am sure that they would also see and feel red… By no means am I trying to defend the actions of the USA but what I am saying is .. it is the world we live in where it is just politically incorrect to call a spade a spade.

  11. Why are people so surprised about the politics of the USA and other countries. I mean isn't 'Politics' just another word for hippocratism?
    Think about it… look around at what really goes on behind the scenes.
    The only reason the USA is so guared about all these leaks is because there is far more red the white or blue on their faces… The true colour is showing… But fear not, if wiki leeks documents about any other governments I am sure that they would also see and feel red… By no means am I trying to defend the actions of the USA but what I am saying is .. it is the world we live in where it is just politically incorrect to call a spade a spade.

    • Actually I think hippocratism is a word you just invented. Is this related to acting like a hippopotamus?

      I think the word you are looking for hypocrisy.

      • I think you think he meant to say: hypocratism, no? It is a malaproprism, to be sure, but a richly creative one.

        Proposed definition…
        Hypocratism: Def: a diplomatic policy where all parties involved are assumed to hypocritical, making hypocrisy the accepted norm for behaviour.

        Turns out, there is a word "Hippocratism", meaning the medical system of Hippocrates. I'll leave it to Bill to explain to us how his reference to Hippocrates is relevant here.

        • Fair enough, it is a real word. Over to Bill for the explanation on its relevance…

          • He submitted a correction below.

  12. I am glad you get the point of my comment….(Sarcasm. Another word not made up by me..:)

  13. I am glad you get the point of my comment….(Sarcasm. Another word not made up by me..:)

  14. Talk about building up the hype! Can't wait to find out what this will be all about…

  15. Talk about building up the hype! Can't wait to find out what this will be all about…

  16. People’s illiteracy continues to confound me. No where does it say Canada is being blamed for anything. The State Dept. is preemptively warning/apologizing to Foreign Affairs and Canadians for the release of what will likely be secret and classified diplomatic documents. All countries talk about the others, even their allies, candidly and even disparagingly behind closed doors; its to be expected. Which is not to say that its embarrassing if these discussion come out. The stuff wikileaks has must be pretty bad if the State Dept. is going to the lengths of notifying Canadian media. Normally they’d just call the Minister.

  17. Actually I think hippocratism is a word you just invented. Is this related to acting like a hippopotamus?

    I think the word you are looking for hypocrisy.

  18. I think you think he meant to say: hypocratism, no? It is a malaproprism, to be sure, but a richly creative one.

    Proposed definition…
    Hypocratism: Def: a diplomatic policy where all parties involved are assumed to hypocritical, making hypocrisy the accepted norm for behaviour.

    Turns out, there is a word "Hippocratism", meaning the medical system of Hippocrates. I'll leave it to Bill to explain to us how his reference to Hippocrates is relevant here.

  19. I know there was widespread unhappiness with a certain Canadian commanding general in Kandahar who (allegedly!) lacked a certain disciplined restraint over pulling his trigger (both literally and euphemistically). I wonder if there are US classified documents with disparaging assessments about to make it out "in the wild."

    How many other countries friendly to the USA are about to get their feelings hurt with this document dump, I wonder.

  20. I know there was widespread unhappiness with a certain Canadian commanding general in Kandahar who (allegedly!) lacked a certain disciplined restraint over pulling his trigger (both literally and euphemistically). I wonder if there are US classified documents with disparaging assessments about to make it out "in the wild."

    How many other countries friendly to the USA are about to get their feelings hurt with this document dump, I wonder.

  21. Did the State Department get together with Wikileaks and the media to map out the communications strategy for this? Looks like a winner:

    1. Get the buzz going through the week so we're sure not to miss it on Friday and pundits can plan their weekend appearances.
    2. He said she said on all the political shows Saturday and Sunday
    3. Balanced editorial in the serious weekend papers (on the one hand the leak is deplorable on the other hand we're very titillated journalistically, plus everyone else is doing it)
    4. Beat reporters wade through the leaks all weekend for repeat reports with updates on Monday and Tuesday
    5. Academic (Defence Institute and Journalism Institute) commentary and corrections Wednesday and Thursday
    6. More official reaction Friday
    7. "Are we all making too much of this?" analysis on the weekend shows and papers.

  22. Did the State Department get together with Wikileaks and the media to map out the communications strategy for this? Looks like a winner:

    1. Get the buzz going through the week so we're sure not to miss it on Friday and pundits can plan their weekend appearances.
    2. He said she said on all the political shows Saturday and Sunday
    3. Balanced editorial in the serious weekend papers (on the one hand the leak is deplorable on the other hand we're very titillated journalistically, plus everyone else is doing it)
    4. Beat reporters wade through the leaks all weekend for repeat reports with updates on Monday and Tuesday
    5. Academic (Defence Institute and Journalism Institute) commentary and corrections Wednesday and Thursday
    6. More official reaction Friday
    7. "Are we all making too much of this?" analysis on the weekend shows and papers.

    • Brilliant! Mostly because I can well see it play out exactly that way. Especially point 7.

    • 8. Down to the beltway for a wrap-up cocktails mixer.

  23. After spending many years in Canada as what should have been a happy ex-pat American, it wouldn't surprise me if a near majority of Canadians can't wait for some mud to throw at the States. I got way more flak than I cared to receive while there. These are leaks that any government wouldn't want any ally to see, and are said behind normally closed doors. All governments have dispatched correspondence offensive to allies and foes alike. I spent nearly a decade in Canada with a lot of old ideas of what society should be and what Canada would offer, unfortunately times change and so did Canadians. Lots of countries will be offended by these releases, and it is good they will be released, I have no problems with that. I can't frankly wait until someone releases a whole lot of Canadian diplomatic correspondence.

  24. After spending many years in Canada as what should have been a happy ex-pat American, it wouldn't surprise me if a near majority of Canadians can't wait for some mud to throw at the States. I got way more flak than I cared to receive while there. These are leaks that any government wouldn't want any ally to see, and are said behind normally closed doors. All governments have dispatched correspondence offensive to allies and foes alike. I spent nearly a decade in Canada with a lot of old ideas of what society should be and what Canada would offer, unfortunately times change and so did Canadians. Lots of countries will be offended by these releases, and it is good they will be released, I have no problems with that. I can't frankly wait until someone releases a whole lot of Canadian diplomatic correspondence.

    • Maynard, you mistake us! Mud is frozen for us a good 4 to 5 months of the year, hence our relish when we actually get a chance to sling some.

      Typical confidential Canadian diplomatic dispatch: I think we are being ignored on this one.

      • It really depends on where in Canada you live, doesn't it? I got mud year round, and I have thought many times over, maybe I should've tried another place.

        • Oh, you were on the west coast. Well no wonder. Around here its frozen mud for a 1000 KM, all directions.

          • Probably is beautiful, sometimes, in it's own way isn't it?

          • Now that you mention it, early this morn, when loading the tikes into the van, I looked up to the sky and was awed by the glistening of the Morning Star in the plush velevet darkenss of the pre-dawn sky. Then they started complaining about the bitingly cold wind. We hustled into our seats, pulling tighter the several layers that took 20 minutes to get on.

            You'd better not live in Phoenix!

          • North of sixty eh…i'll show you mine if…on second thoughts it is a wee bit nippy here too :)

    • I doubt if anyone is particularly interested in what CanDips say about our friends. [ sadly]

    • What bothers me about American dissing is usually the people doing it can't defend their position.

      Their irrational anger is often directed at it's citizens which makes very little sense. Pretty weak if you ask me as there's SO many reasons to dislike America (as a country) where we can find common ground with Americans at large.

      We're not very different from Americans. Our government seems to run very differently, but…

      There are CSIS cables in the works. Don't you worry, and there will be mud of the face of Canada. It will reveal just how much we're like our neighbor to the south, how the people on high (meaning CSIS) feel about the people below (regular citizens). And we're not going to like it.

  25. Brilliant! Mostly because I can well see it play out exactly that way. Especially point 7.

  26. It seems I do owe you guys an apology. The word Hippocratism is incorrectly used here.
    The word Hypocratism does not exist although the proposed definition offered by ColdStanding is exactly what I meant.
    Now that the vocabulary lesson is over. Are there any comments about the gist of my comment?

  27. It seems I do owe you guys an apology. The word Hippocratism is incorrectly used here.
    The word Hypocratism does not exist although the proposed definition offered by ColdStanding is exactly what I meant.
    Now that the vocabulary lesson is over. Are there any comments about the gist of my comment?

    • I agree with you. It's no different then when stuff people say about other people accidentally gets caught on tape – we all do it – talk negatively about people we still like/love. Human nature.

  28. 8. Down to the beltway for a wrap-up cocktails mixer.

  29. Maynard, you mistake us! Mud is frozen for us a good 4 to 5 months of the year, hence our relish when we actually get a chance to sling some.

    Typical confidential Canadian diplomatic dispatch: I think we are being ignored on this one.

  30. It really depends on where in Canada you live, doesn't it? I got mud year round, and I have thought many times over, maybe I should've tried another place.

  31. Oh, you were on the west coast. Well no wonder. Around here its frozen mud for a 1000 KM, all directions.

  32. OH!

    So the title meant that because of what might be revealed Canada might be unhappy about things the US has done and not told anyone?

    Wow I totaly misread that tile.

  33. OH!

    So the title meant that because of what might be revealed Canada might be unhappy about things the US has done and not told anyone?

    Wow I totaly misread that tile.

  34. Probably is beautiful, sometimes, in it's own way isn't it?

  35. That's why its usually helpful to read beyond the title.

  36. Now that you mention it, early this morn, when loading the tikes into the van, I looked up to the sky and was awed by the glistening of the Morning Star in the plush velevet darkenss of the pre-dawn sky. Then they started complaining about the bitingly cold wind. We hustled into our seats, pulling tighter the several layers that took 20 minutes to get on.

    You'd better not live in Phoenix!

  37. I doubt if anyone is particularly interested in what CanDips say about our friends. [ sadly]

  38. North of sixty eh…i'll show you mine if…on second thoughts it is a wee bit nippy here too :)

  39. Fair enough, it is a real word. Over to Bill for the explanation on its relevance…

  40. He submitted a correction below.

  41. maybe the diplomatic comments are all about how easy it is to get an option on our oil, while trashing the environment and thus not being obliged to buy it except under extreme duress… like a war or embargo or something.

    Maybe we're just a commodity source with a frankly annoying political stance at times and that by subsidizing Albertan conservatives American oil companies can operate more freely and at much less cost or risk than anywhere else in the world…

    ..and maybe not much more, really. I suspect the pain will be in the indifference, dismissal and (remember the Alaskan pan-handle) a laser focus on their own self interest. I think it will be a healthy reminder.

    Note by 'they' I mean career diplomats, big business and politicos – I quite like Americans in general, and I think they probably have learned to expect the worst themselves from Bush era policies.

  42. maybe the diplomatic comments are all about how easy it is to get an option on our oil, while trashing the environment and thus not being obliged to buy it except under extreme duress… like a war or embargo or something.

    Maybe we're just a commodity source with a frankly annoying political stance at times and that by subsidizing Albertan conservatives American oil companies can operate more freely and at much less cost or risk than anywhere else in the world…

    ..and maybe not much more, really. I suspect the pain will be in the indifference, dismissal and (remember the Alaskan pan-handle) a laser focus on their own self interest. I think it will be a healthy reminder.

    Note by 'they' I mean career diplomats, big business and politicos – I quite like Americans in general, and I think they probably have learned to expect the worst themselves from Bush era policies.

  43. I agree with you. It's no different then when stuff people say about other people accidentally gets caught on tape – we all do it – talk negatively about people we still like/love. Human nature.

  44. This will be interesting: friendly fire cover ups, rendition machinations, git-mo and detainee arm twisting, economic avarice and underhand dealings etc. pass the pop-corn.
    Also what confuses me is how a government that can't keep its most embarrassing secrets, well secret; is certain that feeling folk up or scanning their junk will keep them safe when flying. At this point I'd take any advice the US gives vis a vis security with a tad more than a pinch of salt.

  45. This will be interesting: friendly fire cover ups, rendition machinations, git-mo and detainee arm twisting, economic avarice and underhand dealings etc. pass the pop-corn.
    Also what confuses me is how a government that can't keep its most embarrassing secrets, well secret; is certain that feeling folk up or scanning their junk will keep them safe when flying. At this point I'd take any advice the US gives vis a vis security with a tad more than a pinch of salt.

  46. Neo Politicians(criminals) of the world get ready get set, ignore.

    We wouldn't need wiki leaks if the "media" did it's job and I'm not talking about the hack job CBC been running with all week hey CBC I got your Lebanon right here, zziiippp!

  47. Neo Politicians(criminals) of the world get ready get set, ignore.

    We wouldn't need wiki leaks if the "media" did it's job and I'm not talking about the hack job CBC been running with all week hey CBC I got your Lebanon right here, zziiippp!

  48. WikiLeaks means what it means. Don't be fooled by intelligence shills posting fake comments here.

    The only thing the 'State Department' would have to do with WikiLeaks would be to spread rumours that the State Department has something to do with WikiLeaks. The social conscience is best tarred and feathered with US State policy, not 'leftism', or whistle-blowing. The latter are too cool.

    No, old Swedish WWII and Cold War intelligence set those two bimbos on Assange for a reason. Swedish intelligence owes the CIA for keeping them out of the Soviet sphere, days gone by.

  49. WikiLeaks means what it means. Don't be fooled by intelligence shills posting fake comments here.

    The only thing the 'State Department' would have to do with WikiLeaks would be to spread rumours that the State Department has something to do with WikiLeaks. The social conscience is best tarred and feathered with US State policy, not 'leftism', or whistle-blowing. The latter are too cool.

    No, old Swedish WWII and Cold War intelligence set those two bimbos on Assange for a reason. Swedish intelligence owes the CIA for keeping them out of the Soviet sphere, days gone by.

  50. That will be the Conservative talking point, if they said something snarky about Harper.

  51. Exactly how can U.S. relationships with its allies be damaged any further than they already were after the revelation that the Bush Administration deliberately misled its allies into believing that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to cajole them into entering the "Coalition of the Willing"?

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

  52. Exactly how can U.S. relationships with its allies be damaged any further than they already were after the revelation that the Bush Administration deliberately misled its allies into believing that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to cajole them into entering the "Coalition of the Willing"?

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

  53. Hey! Easy does it. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. You don't know how old the poster is, or anything about them. I admire those who ask and learn and strive to think critically, so kudos Oliver. Keep reading and keep learning.

  54. Of course, it helps to read the article and not just the headline. Especially, these days, when often they are not only not related, but often contradictory. Not in this article though.

  55. Wikileaks is ridiculous and self-serving. You cannot claim any more, to serve the cause of freedom by damaging and discrediting one of the few countries that has anything approximating a democracy. Liberal crap is what this is. Let these Wikileaks people be brave enough to leak documents on the Afghan government or the Syrian government. Lets see how that plays.

  56. [Wow. CTV sure closed its comments section fast on this news item. Open November 25, closed November 25]

    Hopefully this will teach Obama to match his touted abandonment of unilateralism and back-room dealing with open and transparent multilateral negotiations in the global public and in the UN.

    The only action we've seen from Obama so far is to set those two assets, through Swedish intelligence, on Assange.

  57. [Wow. CTV sure closed its comments section fast on this news item. Open November 25, closed November 25]

    Hopefully this will teach Obama to match his touted abandonment of unilateralism and back-room dealing with open and transparent multilateral negotiations in the global public and in the UN.

    The only action we've seen from Obama so far is to set those two assets, through Swedish intelligence, on Assange.

  58. This is the spin we can expect from those who will be embarrassed by the Wikileaks release: "These are the opinions of low level officials only".

    I personally think that there will be damning evidence of bad-faith negotiations and/or collusion in illegal activities between our respective diplomatic corps or even higher-level government officials on some fairly important files. These files may include softwood lumber, old NAFTA negotiations, or Maher Arar. I'm speculating on which files will be affected, but not, I think, on the nature of why Canadians will feel outraged. We expect a derisive attitude when dealing with the American government, so why would a few insults here or there lead to this sort of global pre-emptive damage control? It's gotta be bigger than a few harsh comments behind closed doors.

  59. Maybe Canada should consider paying for its share of North American defense if we can no longer depend on our big brother to the south to defend us.

  60. You mean Canadians are scared of being told what a bunch of pandering ass/h they are? Again. No Country in the World would want to emulate this past 45 year bunch of weirdo deviate Prime Ministers from Quebec,and what they have done to drag the Country down, all planned.

  61. You mean Canadians are scared of being told what a bunch of pandering ass/h they are? Again. No Country in the World would want to emulate this past 45 year bunch of weirdo deviate Prime Ministers from Quebec,and what they have done to drag the Country down, all planned.

  62. If there ever was a lieing leader of any country in all the world. It would be Canada that takes frist place, for haveing a undemocratic lieying jerk cant look any one in the eye .Thats becuse he is telling a lie the question is what side of his mouth is he using today

  63. If there ever was a lieing leader of any country in all the world. It would be Canada that takes frist place, for haveing a undemocratic lieying jerk cant look any one in the eye .Thats becuse he is telling a lie the question is what side of his mouth is he using today

  64. The first leak is that Harper is not up to the job that has to be done, and that is, building a better Canada, "without Quebec". As well explained in many books by political experts.
    And look who is available and CAN do the job, our own Danny Williams, Canada's only real unbuyable politician.
    Can we really believe we finally have someone who doesn't immediately fall to their knees in anxious anticipation of pleasing Quebec, the unappeasable!

  65. The first leak is that Harper is not up to the job that has to be done, and that is, building a better Canada, "without Quebec". As well explained in many books by political experts.
    And look who is available and CAN do the job, our own Danny Williams, Canada's only real unbuyable politician.
    Can we really believe we finally have someone who doesn't immediately fall to their knees in anxious anticipation of pleasing Quebec, the unappeasable!

  66. You don't mean that while the USA was coercing, bullying and manipulating other countries into joining them in their heinous acts to gain some twisted form of credibility they were also dissing those same countries…. say it ain't soooooo….LMAO did anyone really believe it could be otherwise?
    Reading through these comments I notice how easy it is to spot the American responses… say it ain't soooo… LMAO

  67. You don't mean that while the USA was coercing, bullying and manipulating other countries into joining them in their heinous acts to gain some twisted form of credibility they were also dissing those same countries…. say it ain't soooooo….LMAO did anyone really believe it could be otherwise?
    Reading through these comments I notice how easy it is to spot the American responses… say it ain't soooo… LMAO

  68. I'm guessing, and only guessing mind you, that there will be a diplomatic assessment of Harper that suggests he is weak, willing to be compliant to gain US favor. Harper won't like the truth….

  69. I'm guessing, and only guessing mind you, that there will be a diplomatic assessment of Harper that suggests he is weak, willing to be compliant to gain US favor. Harper won't like the truth….

    • Prime Minister Willams will change that!

  70. Prime Minister Willams will change that!

  71. Anybody who wouldn't want to gain the Americans favor must sleep under a bridge!

  72. Anybody who wouldn't want to gain the Americans favor must sleep under a bridge!

  73. Sleep under a bridge, lol, thats a good one luminator! As it is us experienced readers and bloggers are bored with the silly gossip already. And can see where billions could be saved getting rid of those questionable sex diplomats, and spy agencies! Just keep Maxwell Smart, Agent 86. And Archie Bunker explained all these nationalities years ago. Nothing has changed.

  74. What bothers me about American dissing is usually the people doing it can't defend their position.

    Their irrational anger is often directed at it's citizens which makes very little sense. Pretty weak if you ask me as there's SO many reasons to dislike America (as a country) where we can find common ground with Americans at large.

    We're not very different from Americans. Our government seems to run very differently, but…

    There are CSIS cables in the works. Don't you worry, and there will be mud of the face of Canada. It will reveal just how much we're like our neighbor to the south, how the people on high (meaning CSIS) feel about the people below (regular citizens). And we're not going to like it.

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