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“Why would a family choose an anglophone school?”

Quebec moves to tighten English-language education laws


The Quebec government wants to make it tougher for students to gain admission to English public schools. Bill 103 proposes a new system for admission into the English public school system: under the new system, families would have to explain to the ministry of education why their child should be educated in English. “You have to look at the context of the family,” explained education minister Michelle Courchesne. “Why would a family choose an Anglophone school? Is there a specific reason why a father and a mother would make that decision?” Students would also be able to gain admission ‘points’ for each year spent in an English private school, but the bill doesn’t set out a specific amount of time a student would have to spend in the private English system before being able to transfer to the public system. The Parti Québécois has lashed out at the bill, claiming there should be no opportunity for non-Anglophones to study in English public schools. On the other side, some English speakers are unhappy with the effort to toughen up language laws in the province.

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“Why would a family choose an anglophone school?”

  1. Depending on where they live, a family might choose an English school for the lower drop-out rate, better English instruction, better French instruction (no, I am not kidding), closer to home, all the other kids in their circle of friends go there, … , or any complex mix of factors that lead to parents' decisions for their children.

    Well, they might choose that, if they had the choice. The kid's birth certificate and the parents' school attendance matter more in Quebec, of course.

    • Yes you are kidding. The French instruction I received at my English school was not as good as if I had been in a French school. How do I know? When I transferred to a French school, I had to take a special class to catch up. My family speaks French at home, so that was not the problem. The problem was I did know anything about verb tenses, I had no idea what a "complement d'object direct" was and my spelling was atrocious.
      Maybe that was just my school but I doubt it considering how well my friends who did all their schooling in English know French (not very well, and in some cases hardly nothing at all).

      As for equating a higher drop-out rate in French schools to mean that English schools are better is not looking at the whole picture. Yes, English schools are doing better. Yes, there is a drop-out problem. But there are other facts that should be considered. Some of the schools that have high drop-out rates are situated in poor neighborhoods with a strong immigration population and a lot of these schools are French schools. The drop-out rate is higher in rural areas, where French is much more prevalent then English. These are all factors that make the drop-out rate of French schools higher. Actually, if you look at the public high school rankings, the majority of schools that come out on top are French schools.

      • Julie, I must ask, how old are you? There is no question that, decades ago, West Island anglos teaching French was widespread. Things have changed an awful lot. In my Montreal-area English elementary school in the early seventies, we were deconstructing French sentences so that each and every word was suitably grammatically tagged, and every Grade Five kid could tell you what a complément d'objet direct was, and could recite all the exception words like hibou, joujou, pou and travail, soupirail, and could recite the verbs that take être instead of avoir like poetry.

        And there have been reports of English high school kids in recent years scoring higher in French langue maternelle tests than French high school kids. Yeah, yeah, immigrant kids are all marched into the French schools now, but you might like to think the French kids could pull up the average at least a little. Because French is a second language for pretty much every single student in an English school nowadays.

        • I'm 25 (and my friends are around that age too) so it's not in the seventies and not in recent years. I have a friend who's French is very good, who can often spell better then me but who hasn't learned as much grammar (I went to a French high school, thus many hours were spent learning grammar). I have another friend who can barely construct an easy sentence. And I have friends everywhere in between. The reverse is also true, of my friends who went to French schools, some are bilingual and some know "yes, no, toaster".

          The point I was trying to make was that's it's being short-sighted to generalize that English school are better and that children coming out of the schools will be bilingual (not just for speaking but for writing). Ok, so you weren't quit saying all English school are better but I've gotten tired of people always putting down French school. Some of them have a lot of problems. French often isn't taught as well as it should be. Neither is English. But, generally speaking, French school and English schools are often comparable. It all depends on the schools.

          • Which is why you might like to let parents have the choice over where they send their little angels. No students, no job: It might make the teachers perk up a bit and try to perform better. It is, of course, an enemy of the unions that fought like crazy to enshrine the education provisions of Loi 101, because who needs competition when you can siphon off your customers by legislative fiat?

            The term "competition" will be incredibly foreign to the unionized people counting down to retirement. But it just might work. If anyone let it.

          • When did I ever say parents shouldn't have the choice? I never said, or implied, anything about being for or against bill 101. I just said French school weren't as bad as many make them out to be.

            I think we've gotten to the point where we're basically saying the same thing. :P

      • And I didn't mean to imply that EVERY English school was better than EVERY French school. I have re-read my comment, and I am pretty sure I have not so implied. My main point was parental choice. Denied parental choice.

      • Actually, if you look at the public high school rankings, the majority of schools that come out on top are French schools.

        Yup, that'll certainly happen when the low-performing décrocheur third of your student body doesn't even show up.

        • Um, the amount of people who drop-out was considered in the ranking. I'm talking about the "Palmarès des écoles secondaires" that's published in l'Actualité, which is not perfect but does give a general overview.

          • Oh. I thought you meant performance on standardized evaluations set by the Ministère.

        • A very large part of this whole thing would go away if the francophones at large trusted the ability of the french school system to actually give their kids a better understanding of the english language. The PLQ actually gave it a half hearted shot a few years back by sprinkling english teaching time all over the primary school curriculum. It may or may not have been a good idea, but at least they tried for a moment. The problem is, those dorks can't focus on anything for more than two weeks, so nothing came out of it.

          The incompetence of these guys is simply stunning and, might I add, worsening. I mean, you'd expect they could find a way to give satisfaction to *at least* one of the many interests angling on that question.

  2. This kind of behaviour is why I'm glad I don't live in Quebec anymore

  3. Families would HAVE TO EXPLAIN to the ministry of education why their child should be educated in English? Why would a family choose an Anglophone school?Is there a specific reason why parents would make that decision?I don't think it's any of their damn BUSINESS.
    TAXPAYING parents in a free and democratic society should not have to explain anything of the sort to governments bureaucrats.
    But then again what do you expect from Quebec.Is it not the Federal governments business to protect Canadians freedom of choice and expression from provincial governments who want to infringe on them?
    If not then, The true North strong and free should be taken out of the anthem.

    • Hyperbole much?

  4. If you want you child to have all the advantages in the world today they need English. Only speak French? Then stay and live entirely in QC. Good for government jobs there but even that's going to run out eventually.
    International business language is now English, not French.
    In QC they are very lax in getting their kids to the educational finish line successfully. Alternative schools pay kids to attend instead of the more academically challenging CGEP. Alternative schools are a haven for drugs and the police turn a blind eye. Rock on dudes! Besides it's more important to "look hot" in QC than to better yourself as a person as the government 'takes care' of you from cradle to grave.

    Recall watching ctv-Montreal few years back, when they went nuts over a 'poor Ont. truck driver' who had to take his toddler to work with him on the road, as his wife was suffering depression and too ill to take care of that child and she had a babe in arms at home as well – they had nothing but condemnation for Ontario that 'didn't take care of her' and yet they ignore how corrupt and broke they are. People shouldn't have kids they can't take care of properly but hey, it's all a 'global village' now eh?

    Lots of new immigrants are stunned to learn that QC is NOT bi-lingual and are upset their kids can't get English education as a choice. Some of them are moving to Ontario for that very reason. We welcome them as they are hard workers and care well for their own.
    Of cource ROC will be blamed for this as per usual.

  5. I like this idea. That way the racist french in Quebec would only learn how to speak French, a dying language, and would be handicapped in the rest of the world except for France and some wacky parts of Africa and some little ex-colonies. Then it would give the rest of Canada a good excuse to get rid of the reason for that useless dual language crap and drop the use of French… besides, it costs too much money anyway.
    Go for it.

  6. I have a better idea. Les all learn French so that we can all sing O Canada in its original version.

  7. Why don't they just take a wrecking ball to the English schools and get it over with, because that's clearly the intention of the francophones, to eliminate English and any other language.

    • Please don't use "the francophones", not all francophones want to eliminate English in the Province.

      • Just remember there is a lot of Anglophones taht to do just that to the French language schools outside of Quebec and that was before the language was a real controversy in Quebec.

  8. No matter how good are the intentions, oppression is opression.

  9. i think it is hilarious the francophones want to punish themselves in particular, the immigrants are a small part of quebec society, only the weatly francophones will get an adequate education in english …the regular people will be unemployable outside of quebec