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Lock them up: Why the G20 thugs don’t deserve any leniency

We cannot allow international summits to become an excuse for roving lawlessness



For most Canadians the lasting memory of the $1.2-billion G8-G20 summits will be the sight of a burning police car, and not the contents of any final communiqué. Such an unfortunate situation demands the continued pursuit of all lawbreakers involved in the summit riots. And a rethink of how and where summits are held.

In downtown, Toronto gangs of highly motivated thugs torched four police cars and broke storefront windows of dozens of businesses during a wild spree of G20 violence. Police responded by arresting more than 900 protesters and bystanders. A journalist reporting on the scene claimed it was scarier than a Bosnian war zone, and one of those arrested called the 17 hours he spent in detention “tantamount to torture.” The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) is demanding an inquiry into police tactics, calling them “disproportionate, arbitrary and excessive.”

What took place on the streets of Toronto was indeed a serious situation, yet anxiety over the behaviour of police is wildly overdone. Those responsible for the damage should be the focus of society’s anger. Only the professionalism and preparedness of police prevented circumstances from being much worse. Rather than an inquiry, we need further police effort to ensure every one of those lawless thugs is brought to justice.

Overheated arguments from the CCLA and others regarding mass arrests and claims of police brutality need to be kept in perspective. Many of the complaints seem to involve the quality of the sandwiches in detention. Or that the police banged their batons on their shields in an “intimidating” manner. It’s possible many of those arrested for breach of the peace were not directly involved in any violence. But they were released in a matter of hours. Canadians’ constitutional rights have survived the ordeal unscathed.

It is necessary to keep the violence that did occur in perspective as well. Recall that when the Montreal Canadiens beat the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2007-2008 NHL playoffs, street havoc also ensued. And those Montreal rioters managed to torch or smash 16 police cars. So by at least one measure, the G20 conflagration produced only one-quarter of the damage created by a run-of-the-mill hockey riot. Further to the point, there were no injuries significant enough to mention and the riot earned only modest international attention. This was no Bosnia in the 1990s. It wasn’t even Montreal in April.

Of course with the leaders of most major nations in attendance, the security issues at the G8-G20 summits were far more significant than at any playoff match. For their $1.2-billion outlay, Canadians got a massive police presence, a lengthy fence in downtown Toronto and a raft of crowd-control innovations. This enormous show of force meant police outnumbered protesters in most circumstances. Even so, this wasn’t enough, as the burnt police cars testify.

But consider what might have happened without this massive investment in security. Had the “black bloc” anarchists responsible for the extant street damage penetrated the security fence and disrupted the actual G20 events, the international attention would have been much more significant, and the damage done to Canada’s reputation far greater. Whatever steps the police took to prevent this from happening were both necessary and welcome.

In fact the police should be commended for their vow to pursue any and all protesters associated with the vandalism. Merely detaining and releasing violent hoodlums is not a sufficient response to the threat they pose to civil society. The protection of free speech and assembly can only exist when there is proper respect for the rule of law. Legitimate protest acknowledges the existence of state authority while providing a different point of view. The same is true with civil disobedience. What we saw over the weekend, however, had nothing constructive to offer society. It was simply opportunistic chaos. It is thus imperative that we find and punish everyone responsible for this embarrassing period of disorder. We welcome the determination a Toronto police spokesman expressed to our reporters (page 26): “Our team will continue to work for the next two years, five years, if necessary to bring every one of these people to justice . . . Nobody is getting away with this.” Nor should they.

Beyond the role of the police, however, there’s another reason—largely overlooked—why a major security catastrophe was averted: the global protest movement appears to be losing steam.

The mass of protesters agreed on very little other than a general sense of unhappiness with the status quo, whatever it might be. Issues seen and heard from the crowd ranged from animal liberation to legalization of marijuana to the treatment of homosexuals in Iran. There was no consistent message, other than the minority position on the desirability of broken windows. Only after the fact have protesters managed to coalesce around a common theme of alleging police brutality. Yet it bodes poorly for the future of the protest movement if the only coherent argument it can muster involves the reaction of others to itself.

At the end of the day, debate over street violence, protest and police ought to be secondary to the summit’s practical achievements. And the G20 summit did conclude on a note worthy of some optimism: a pledge to cut government deficits in half by 2013. While this only applies to the most advanced economies within the G20, it is still a step in the right direction. Bringing the world’s major economies back to fiscal balance is crucial to closing the book on the Great Recession. Was this accomplishment, significant though it may be, worth the candle?

As we have argued previously, most of the real summit work is completed at earlier meetings attended by finance ministers and assorted underlings. The role of formal summits is largely to provide world leaders with an opportunity to mingle and pose for a group photo. Given the massive cost of security—and the fact that even $1.2 billion cannot prevent an embarrassing riot—there’s a pressing need for a more efficient means to this end. There are two obvious possibilities. Hold smaller get-togethers in remote locations that are more easily secured. Or designate a permanent and safe location for the G20, as is the case with the United Nations in New York City. We cannot allow international summits to become an excuse for roving lawlessness.


Lock them up: Why the G20 thugs don’t deserve any leniency

  1. this is a wildly ignorant piece of writing.

    • Whereas smashing a window is an exercise in enlightenment.

      • Exactly. Thugs are also cowards, they deserve to be locked up, and they deserve to pay for any and all damages.

        • You guys are easily distracted.

        • i agree Kent. Those police thugs who beat down and violated several hundreds of people's rights and damaged their property/cameras/purses/artificial leg/bodies should be brought to justice.
          Couldn't agree with you more.

          • Change your handle to clueless

    • O Macleans — sometimes you get it so very wrong

    • I agree. This is a terrible piece.

      They have 17 people up on charges. Pursue who? They caught them.

      "…anxiety over the behaviour of police is wildly overdone" There were 900-1000 people detained. Probably thousands more illegally searched. Where was the writer of this article when the G20 was in town? Sitting by the reflecting lake?

      I'm not an anarchist, nor do I condone vandalism. The actions of a few put an ugly face on the protests, but this is completely overshadowed by the overreaction of the police and the curtailing of our right to peaceful protest. That's the real story, not some jerks in black masks.

    • I was very disappointed when I got this in my mailbox. Not because I disagree with it, but because it really is a pathetic analysis of the situation.

    • "We cannot allow international summits to become an excuse for roving lawlessness"

      And WE cannot allow international photo-ops to become an excuse for irresponsible spendthrifts and massive inconvenience to those who foot the bill for these self-important preening peacocks…………….namely the dying middle-class taxpayer.

      As for the editorial – I could only count the use of the word 'thug' 5 times. Didyou run out of new epithets? What a pompous piece of yellow journalism – to paint with such a broad brush the thousands who did protest without one iota of violence. And now we learn that the 'police' had infiltrated this gang of black-dressed bozos, yet were still unable to prevent the carnage nor were able to offer security to the targeted businesses and their terrified customers inside. One big expensive cockup. Suggest your 'editors' watch the "Battle for Seattle" from the WTO fiasco in the 1990s. Same script, same black-clothed people, same police muscle, same political lying, same outcome. Even the SAME WORDS! How do you spell the word 'sucker"?

    • How is it in any way ignorant? The fact that you find any redeeming qualities in the actions of these low-lives is itself ignorant.

      • Don't be so obtuse JS. No one here supports the property destruction that was engaged in by a few. The concern is with the lawless, unconstitutional and violent conduct of the police towards peaceful protesters, journalists, and observers, as well as with regard to passersby who just happened to be in the area. There is also a concern about the police role in the vandalism seen on TV both with regard to the police infiltrated "black bloc" and the vandalism of the police cars which seem to have been left unattended for that purpose. Do your homework JS and look up the evidence regarding the likely police role in the property destruction.

  2. Thank you to MacLeans for a commonsense analysis of this entire debacle and the resultant outbursts of people who cry for their RIGHTS but dont have a clue about their RESPONSIBILITIES to society. Gross exaggerations, manipulation of the media, extreme bias by CBC. Horrible interview by ORMISTON of CBC with Officer Blair that shocked all decent Canadians and of course the Angus Reid Poll that confirmed MacLeans analysis. Thank you. In Canada right now the TAIL is attempting to WAG THE DOG. It wont work.

    • They are called rights for a reason, you can't take them away, regardless of how someone acts. If they aren't there except when it's convenient for those who don't deserve them, then they aren't there for anyone.

      Also, read some of the reports from cops and protesters, the females couldn't even get a door to the bathroom, and were surrounded by male cops, and were laughed at when requiring tampons. A man with Cerebral palsy was wrestled from his chair (he was eating dinner, and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time) and was made fun of by arresting officers.

      I don't care how many cop cars are trashed, this is not how public servants are to act in my country.

      • s. 33 would disagree with you on that interpretation… don't hate me though, I didn't write the constitution.

        • Bullshit. s. 33 does NOT give any parliamentary body, let alone the city police, legal authority to violate chartered rights at the drop of a hat. There is a political process to be adhered to and respected. Parliamentary supremecy does exist in our charter but it does not excuse what happened at the G20 demonstration.

      • I agree with you, I have met people who have beed arested, for simply living.

    • I think in this case it was the cops and politicians that forgot about their "responsibilities".

    • Thanks for your insult to me, and do you know what your resposiblities are? My rights include of being able to walk on a public side walk without being arrested and/or hit with batons.

  3. Toronto is the biggest city of whiny pseudo-communists.

    • When we're not being labeled greedy Bay Street capitalists.

    • What are you talking about? Stop using labels which have no meaning.

  4. This editorial is about a week late. However, we are still in denial of the basic facts. Toronto was the best place to hold a summit. Until countries stop bringing huge delegations with them there will be few locations capable of providing the facilities needed. Remember we are talking about the G20 now and not the smaller G8.
    Its not that Toronto was the wrong place but whether we as a country are going to allow ourselves to be intimiated by 200 people bent on destroying property. I don't know if the police made a mistake by not confronting the anarchists when they were doing the damage but I am sure the police will review the situation. In the meantime those crying foul should use the processes available currently to express their grievances.

    • Why did the police not stop the small number of anarcho provocateur thugs? Photo-op that's why. I don't believe that the Toronto police force is that abjectly incompetent. Read the numerous accounts by people who were there or who were just uninvolved observers. The article above is virtually celebratory of the very worst, anti-democratic, authoritarian, tendency in what is supposed to be a Western democracy. Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    • please dont refer to them as anarchists, many anarchists are more peaceful than state-ists, black block were either another police infiltrated scam to validate the police violence or a bunch of idiots nothing more

    • Toronto should have been the best place to hold the two Summits for a few reasons. Bay Street is home to a global allstar lineup of healthy big banks worth emulating. The EMF and World Bank acknowledge Canada's new standing in economic health and governance. There are three countries (Portugal, Germany) waiting to fill two seats on the United Nations Security Council and Canada being one of them deserves to be returned to this important UN Council. Hosting the Summits was also an opportunity to drive this initiative home with the delegate countries.

  5. Professionalism and preparedness???

    The police were UNPREPARED for the thugs to break away from the protest and trash the city, and they were UNPROFESSIONAL when they arrested the mostly uninvolved and nonviolent protesters the next day.

    A prepared and professional police force would have been ready to sweep in and capture the terrorists as they vandalized the city, rather than sit around dumbfounded and overreacting A DAY LATER by arresting a crowd of harmless sheep. Montreal goes through this routine yearly… Toronto's complete unpreparedness was astounding.

    • Damn right! See here, a (long) comment written by a member of the Canadian Force who's got something very interesting to say about the role of the police during the G20: http://vimeo.com/12903946
      Scroll down to about half of the page, the comment written by ericj.

    • And in fact the damage in Montreal from hockey rioting is about equal to the damage done to the downtown Toronto area. The difference is, the Montreal police get no outside help from other officers from other cities, and the other difference is that the Montreal police actually arrest the ACTUAL perpetrators of the vandalism….without the $1 billion help of security measures…… This year during the hockey protests atleast 45 or more of the ACTUAL vandals were arrested. The cops were able to discern between real hockey fans and rioting hooligans (not obviously uniformed Black Block which is even more easily detected to pick from a crowd). This article is GROSSLY disproportionate in its facts.

  6. And for all that, this cost 33 times more money than last year's summit? And ten times more than next year's should cost? WTF.

    • Solve:

      600 million * X = 1.2 billion

      • Substitute "boondoggle" for X to solve this equation.

        • Haha, boondoggle, that's clever math. Well done.

    • We're comparing two different numbers. Last year's "cost of security" was the bonus pay to officers for relocation, training, and overtime for the last G20. The $1.2B CDN includes the cost of that stupid lake for the G8. It's an extreme amount of money, but we can't be comparing crates of apples to trucks of oranges.

  7. For our billion plus dollars we got a non-binding treaty to reduce debt, which likely will be as successful as the Kyoto accord was in reducing greenhouse gases.

  8. "…the global protest movement appears to be losing steam…" and "…Yet it bodes poorly for the future of the protest movement"…

    So I guess all protesters are the same to you? Multiple times you point to the "protest movement" without discussing anything about their beliefs or leanings, except for the one time you mention anarchists in another part of the article.

    There are thousands of completely peaceful protests that take place regularly (America has had thousands alone over the past 2 years, many much larger than the g20 protest).

    There is a common theme among most of the protests of the violent kind worldwide lately, and it really is o.k. if you come out and say it: Anarchists, Anti-Capitalists, and other far left and communist / socialist groups (see Taiwan if you want to look other places than g20 or g8 events) are at the center of nearly every one that ends up with violence, destruction and looting outside the Middle East (which is a whole different issue).

    Why don't you identify the protesters instead of just lumping all the "unhappy" people into one group. Not everyone behaves like the idiots you're writing about.

  9. "There was no consistent message, other than the minority position on the desirability of broken windows."

    I think we can all agree that it's best to ignore and belittle the voices of those not enjoying the resources of national or corporate interests.

    And hey, if it's fair to tar all demonstrators by the actions of the violent minority amongst their ranks, does that mean the G20 nations can all be judged against China's record?

    • Can we throw in the House of Saud?

  10. Is "violence" even really the best word for what happened? I guess it's technically correct, but widespread property damage, while terrible, is frankly not in the same neighborhood of physical violence to persons, and it seems implied that it is.

    I don't want to whitewash what happened, but I kind of feel that the ritual use of 'violence' here, instead of 'vandalism', which would be seemingly much more apropos, is basically rhetorical (or even ideological).

    I'm actually curious here – by what standard do journalists, such as the Macleans writers here, actually believe that 'violence' is the best word choice?

    • If I lob a rock at a store window in the middle of the night and run away… vandalism.

      If I let you know the time and date that I am coming to get you. If I then show up with a gang of thugs, screaming and yelling breaking your property and then celebrate its destruction… violence.

      Another clue, someone confronts a vandal they run away. What do you think would have happened had an unarmed Starbucks manager had tried to protect their storefront?

      So violence is a very mild word for what happened, since violence can run the gamut from an impulsive slap to truly horrific premeditated acts. What the organizers wanted to do was demonstrate that they could impose their will on innocents; that they could do this regardless of any preventative measures taken. What the organizers wanted was to leave those innocents frightened, humiliated, powerless. You can see it in the videos, the criminals felt jubilant, powerful, euphoric, fortunately there are not many videos of the owners left helpless watching the destruction on TV. Think of it as rape without the sexual assault if that helps.

      • Or maybe even genocide without death camps? Without supporting those idiots for a second, I think we can criticize them without resorting to emotional hyperbole (rape? really? I've got a feeling most rape victims wouldn't follow the broken window analogy – there being no form of insurance that can undo the damage wrought by sexual assualt).

        "What do you think would have happened had an unarmed Starbucks manager had tried to protect their storefront?"
        – The hypothetical depravity and disregard for human welfare makes us all shudder. Hypothetically, of course.

        • You focus on the broken window. No big deal.

          I focus on the fact that a gang of thugs imposed their will on others through violence. The hypothetical question is only hypothetical because we all know the answer.

          I agree that that last bit was over the top, but you need to realize that the goal of the criminal element in this was not to break glass. If they wanted to do that they could have gone to an empty mall Missisauga the night before. The goal was to inflict fear.

          • Are they really that organized and driven by purpose? I always took their goals (such as they are) to be getting out of their parents' basements for a weekend, and gaining coverage on the nightly news, and not much beyond that.

            Just to be clear, I'm firmly with most Canadians in wanting these jokers to be legally charged to fullest extent.

            But we have to acknowledge that they are simply playing their part in the theatre that always characterizes these events. It's not like they're doing this crap randomly to strike fear into our hearts. Their presence is as predictable as skateboarders on a freshly paved parking lot. That doesn't excuse their idiocy and violence, but it should allows us to keep things in perspective: they're no more worrisome a group of losers than those who riot after sporting events.

            I think we need to be careful here: focussing too much on the "thugs" works very well for a lot of the decision makers involved in the G20 planning and security.

          • I do distinguish between the local knobheads in for a one-time thrill and those that travel from summit to summit with an agenda.

            see http://as220.org/jb/politics/black_bloc.html

            That said, I do believe it is important to thwart Darwin and protect the local knobheads from themselves until their neurons overtake their hormones. This requires very clear signals from society and of course is still only partially effective.

          • A fair and good distinction to make. I'm just not sure that these "professional" sh*t disturbers are worth worrying about. Also, in the same way it can be argued that the police can grow to depend on a symbiotic relationship with biker gangs or drug pushers (i.e., it provides a raison d'etre for police funding, powers, etc.) I truly see the Black Bloc types as all but invited players in the predictable theatre of these G20 gatherings.

            It certainly helps to distract us from asking potentially uncomfortable questions about the actual meetings, and participants.

          • LOL!

            Believe you me, I really dislike ominous appeals to conspiracy. But in this case, we've had cops lying about legislation, cops lying about weapons siezed, and an awful lot of questions about their behaviour that has yet to be satisfactorily addressed (not saying it won't be, but they haven't inspired unquestioning trust, either).

            In the face of that, worrying about the organized threat of two-bit thugs seems a bit misplaced, and potentially convenient to various figures and organzations in authority.

          • Inherent incentives at play in society is hardly what I would call a conspiracy.

        • While the answer is obviously somewhere in the middle regarding the actual violence factor, regardless of insurance that never makes up for what is lost, a business owner potentially losing their livelihood and their employees their jobs can be quite a bit more harmful than physical assault and maybe only a little short of rape from the perspective of a business owner and their employees.

          People forget that most small business owners these days are barely hanging on, and these idiots taking their angst out on them in some sort of act of symbolism deserve a much harsher punishment than what they would get for simple assault (and they hopefully will). The affects on the victims can be much greater.

          As a business owner, I think the rape analogy is a bit much, but not far off, and you really can't surmise what would have happened if business owners defended their stores. I'm not sure what gun laws in Canada are like, but I'm pretty sure destroying property in Texas for example wouldn't have lasted long, or ever happened for that matter.

        • I've got a feeling most rape victims wouldn't follow the broken window analogy

          Although I have a sympathetic thought for what the rape victim might like to do with the piece of broken glass just sitting there beside her or him in the adjacent analogy.

      • I'm sorry, but saying that violence is a 'mild' word here is clearly excessive. And comparing it to "rape without the sexual assault" just undermines your general point. This is, to put it better, rape without the rape, and without the sexual part of sexual assault, and without the assault. So if you had eggs you could make eggs and sausage, if you had sausage.

        I can accept that there were intentional violations of others' sense of safety here. I think that's what you are best getting at.

        But, actually, your hypothetical examples work well here – there were a few examples of people protecting property, and there was no physical violence to them. Moreover, these black bloc types kept moving, and generally moved away from confrontation (until the vandalism was basically over and then they turned to agitate the police). I haven't heard of assaults by the blac bloc on property holders (and certainly not as a general tactic). Finally, how do we place property damage on your "gamut from an impulsive slap to truly horrific premeditated acts"? Well, I wouldn't, and frankly neither would the criminal code, as what you are describing is assault, not property damage, which is considered categorically different and of less seriousness.

        My point wasn't that property damage bears absolutely no relation to violence, but rather that violence is a really poor descriptor of the facts on the ground that escalates the moral opprobrium.

        • By agitate the police you mean throw rocks & bottles in a non-violent manner. How exactly do you non-violently get a police officier to retreat from a vehicle so you can torch it?

          • Well, I've heard here and there about throwing rocks and bottles, but it doesn't seem to have been terribly widespread. And there were no injuries, which suggests it didn't happen much. Most of this seems to have come less from reports of actual thrown rocks, and more from confiscations of bricks and such which never actually got thrown. I actually don't know what to make of all this, but it isn't clearly on one side of the violence debate or the other.

            And the squad cars seem to have been abandoned. There was one case where they rocked the car so that the officer took off, but I don't believe that this was a car that got burned. The officer was unharmed.

            Anyways, it just seems that in pretty much every example of "violence" we get something that isn't really what people generally think of when they hear the word "violence" – and any more serious cases seem to be poorly documented or extremely isolated.

          • I've heard of the police shouting "stop throwing rocks" when no one was doing so, and then preceding to charge at peace protestors already 'kettled' by the surrounding police.

            On the TVO Agenda website a psychology professor who was detained at Spadina / Queen on Sunday tells a similar story of police shouting to both demonstrators and pedestrians at the intersection "stop being violent" when he saw no action of the sort.

            This isn't to deny that people were throwing rocks and bottles at the police at any time. But there are a lot of testimonials out there from people being 'kettled' that the police simply shouted out false accusations of violent behaviour.

          • Actually the police stood by while the cars were being torched. Unlike you I was at the protest (peacefully) and saw it with my own eyes. So did this fellow.

          • Good job Jimmy.

            People really don't understand that these police tactics are real. Agent Provocateurs are real. The police will lie to further their agenda.

            I think the problem is here that in TFA the author/authors are expecting thousands and thousands of people to act properly, and exempt our very professional police department from the same standard. Actually, we should be holding them to a higher standard than we do people on the street. We commit crimes, they catch us. When it happens the other way around we should be outraged.

          • Well said!!

  11. Hey, is it possible that both police and the window-smashers are open to criticism? I approve of the police going after the vandals with gusto. I also oppose police exceptionism. We entrust police with great powers, and we should hold them to the highest standard of conduct.

  12. Unsigned editorials deploying sweeping stereotypes and specific anecdotes aren't worth most people's time… but I will comment anyways…

    To justify the arbitrary arrest of some 900 people and a $1.2 billion price tag suggests the 100-200 black bloc 'anarchists' are possibly the most powerful counter-culture movement this country has seen in my lifetime. The groups/tactics are instantly discredited and then used as a justification for clear violations of peoples rights and obscene security spending.

    • Yeah seriously, who wrote this?

  13. No by-line. Perhaps even Maclean's writers are too sensible to put their name to this piece of crap?

    In a city that handles and annual influx of 1 million plus for Pride and Caribana, manages scores of street festivals and no small number of street protests … the G20 was a disaster.

    14,000 security personnel (two-thirds from other forces) seemed able to "protect a fence", but not private property or civil rights. Then the lies … now too numerous to count. Add to this that the worst offending riot cops were from out of town … good luck holding the a-hole who hit you with a stick on a public sidewalk to account.

    Question: Did anyone with a hand in writing this drivel actually walk on a Toronto street during the summit? Those of us who live here year-round seem to have a different view on what happened and who was at fault.

    • I compleatly agree with you. The police we taking the protesters money, not giving it back afterward, did you hear about the girl who's mother asked her to get a milk carton? She was arrested. Arrested for living!

  14. Oh my Maclean's you are really slacking in the journalism department it seems. This piece is abhorrent. Talk about sensationalism, prejudice, and discrimination. Wow, the author of this article should be embarassed. If this is what your writing has come to it is time to throw in the towel.
    Something that consistently irks me is the direct comparison of 'anarchy' with 'left wing' politics. Anarchy is the absence of government. It is the extreme of right wing politics, not the left. Please, if you are going to throw around terms like anarchy use them in proper context with their correct definition.

    • It's also embarrassing I spelt *embarrassed wrong :)

    • You're correct in regards to anarchy not truly being far left, but there is a problem:

      Many of those claiming to be "anarchists" are actually just anti-capitalists/anti-corporatists that currently link government with corporatism. If you took government away completely, they would be unhappy and steer toward the far left.

      They're much more against the powers that be, whatever they are, than they are for true anarchy. When it comes down to it, they would still want a government to ensure things go how "they" want them to go. They need another name for their movement.

      Anarchy itself doesn't even really fit in the political spectrum of left and right.

  15. I hope all can agree with the headline. Anyone that can be proven to have participated in the violence and destruction of property should see no leniency. Indeed if anyone can be shown to have been also involved in the planning of the violence they should be brought up under terrorism laws not misdemeanours. To my mind, the violence was a systematic use of fear as a means of coercion … it is petty, ineffective terrorism, but still terrorism.

    That said, the rest of the article is full of drivel… who writes this crap!

    "claims of police brutality need to be kept in perspective. Many of the complaints seem to involve the quality of the sandwiches in detention. Or that the police banged their batons on their shields in an “intimidating” manner"

    The above is absolutely true, but well some of those other complaints involve allegations of police threatening rape. I personally don't choose to believe those allegations, my impression is that the police on the ground did a pretty good job… but they do have to be dealt with in a fair and consistent matter before we can "put things in perspective".

    Any technocrat (Coyne & al) should be remarkably upset that the police lied about a power they did not possess and the Provincial government appears to have been complicit with that lie.

    Finally, from the article
    "This enormous show of force meant police outnumbered protesters in most circumstances. Even so, this wasn't enough, as the burnt police cars testify."
    So if the police outnumbered the protestors, and they still couldn't maintain order shouldn't as a practical measure we reconsider the tactics & strategies used by the police?

    • Let's not forget that the police lied directly to the public after the event, by fraudulently displaying siezed weapons that were not, in fact, related to the protests. I'm now inclined to place the onus upon them to defend their actions.

      • its a summary offence to vandalize property so even if the book is thrown at them they face maximum a $500 fine and 6 months in jail. Which continues to reason why the sensationalism for something that even in law is a minor offence.

    • Does that include the undercover police who led the "black bloc"?

      • Just because there were agents provocateurs in montabello, does not mean you can conclude that that was the case in Toronto, automatically.

    • Not that I agree with their actions in anyway, but if the people doing the vandalism weren't just doing it for the thrill of it, the intent of the action is to "awaken" people, not terrorize them. Not saying that they are particularly effective or anything, just that their intent is not as people would make it out to be. That in no way excuses their actions, however.

  16. "For their $1.2-billion outlay, Canadians got a massive police presence, a lengthy fence in downtown Toronto and a raft of crowd-control innovations. This enormous show of force meant police outnumbered protesters in most circumstances. Even so, this wasn't enough, as the burnt police cars testify."

    Sorry Macleans (what, no writer credit?), but that's a load of BS. The security for the London summit was $28 mil, and Pittsburgh was $13 mil. In both cases they had less than a third the number of cops as were in T.O., and they got along fine.

    The reason there were burnt police cars was that of the 15,000 cops in T.O., during the hoodlum shenanigans none were anywhere to be seen in the area. And why?

    Arresting hoodlums = good.
    Arresting hundreds of innocent protesters for singing "O'Canada" and sitting on the road in a designated protest area = breach of civil liberties (whether or not they were released without charge).

    • Please don't repeat the invalidated costs of other Summits like Pittsburgh. The $13 Million was for overtime charges and for funding some participants international travel costs only. Read Don Martin from a few weeks ago in the NP as he discovered much more detail on costs (though they are rarely even publicly reported like Canada has done) when he used that good ol google search device.

  17. I completely agree with the main point: the thugs who were caught should be hit with the maximum penalty possible. There is no excuse or place in our society for the attitude that one should attack innocent people or their property when order seems to be breaking down.

    I disagree that the next such event should be moved to some remote location. I say we put it in another big city, and announce ahead of time that anyone found engaging in property damage or violence at the site will be caught, tried, and sentenced to 15 years minimum without parole.

    I cannot express how impressed I am with the fact that no one was seriously hurt during this episode. The police got off the mark slowly, but once they engaged they showed commendable restraint. We should all be thankful that no one, either innnocent bystanders or thugs, was killed.

    • Especially after reading more about conditions in the temporary jail. Bill Blair should certainly be thankful that none of the 1000 arrested had a medical condition aggravated by the lack of sleep, water, food and sanitation, not to mention spending hours in plastic cuffs. Just one guy with a heart condition, or one diabetic's sugar crashing, and it would've been a whole different press conference.

    • Uhm… we should be thankful noone was killed? What is this country I live in? Red China? Is this Tienanmen Square? When did we switch to totalitarian system and introduced martial law?
      The cops and the top politicians need to be thanking God nobody was seriously hurt.

    • are you kidding? HUNDREDS, literally hundreds of people were hurt over the weekend, as reported by the Toronto Street Medics assoc who treated broken bones, concussions, tramplings, etc. ALL at the hands of police units, who were there to protect the fences, not the people (or the property) of toronto!

  18. (Re: Front Cover Picture) Totally agree! No leniency for anyone wearing Belgian army pants if they're not with the Belgian armed forces!

  19. Time will show how deliberately planned the violent actions of June 26th were. Hopefully the media will be more thorough investigating the charges laid against 20 of the organizers of the riot, currently having their bail hearing at 2201 Finch Avenue West.

  20. Also, could someone tell me where the calls for leniency are coming from, as the headline suggests?

    • I find the Macleans pieces that aren't signed are typically the worst written, and the most polemic and deceptive in their use of language and topics.

      I suspect Ken Whyte, personally.

      • It certainly doesn't match the style of the other writers.

        • Thinking about it a little more now, I realized I forgot about Steyn — likely as a means of self-preservation to my psyche. So to whoever you are, unnamed writer.. my apologies.

          Second worst..

  21. A huge characteristic in failed states, such as Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Rwanda etc, is the absence of a professional police force which can enforce the laws legislated by the people's legislatures. These lawless societies are host to well armed militia's, tribal warlords, and roving gangs.Women who are widowed have their property stolen by bullies, and slapped down if they attempt to resist. Young girls are rapped, if not taken and sold into the international sex trade. yet, in Canada we have wacko far lefties who complain that Canada is a police state, who denounce the economic engine, which provides strength for our institutions, and deplore our way of life.

    • Your point is completely correct, and it is nearly impossible to have a professional police force that holds true to the law in countries with extremely corrupt governments and economies (like those you listed). The credibility of a police force nearly coincides with lack of corruption in local and national governments.

      Leftists in Canada and the U.S. take completely for granted what our societies have made possible because they refuse to accept that nothing is perfect. They will always find something emotionally bothersome to ridicule with no regard for what it took to get to that point or the resulting losses of the changes they seek. They don't credit what made it possible and continually work against those very principles.

      I've never seen so many people look a gift horse in the mouth every day, and even aim to destroy what brought them the gifts. Pretty amazing.

      • And rightists in Canada are perfectly willing to watch all the freedoms we have in this country slowly slip away… if we have it their way, where will we be in 50 years? Not a police state? What will they have done to prevent that?

        • I can't speak directly to what rightists in Canada believe, because I think it's a different version than what we have here in the U.S., and then you have to account for the difference between rightist politicians and bureaucrats and rightist average citizens.

          Do rightists in Canada actually sit aside and let freedoms disappear? Because rightists outside Washington, D.C. here are in a pretty huge fight for those freedoms, at least once they realized they were slipping away. Canada has already given up much more than the U.S. in that department. So much so that it makes me think rightists there are more like center left here, or maybe they're their own breed. It's a weird dynamic.

          When I was referring to the gift horse, I was directly referring to freedoms, and the fact that there will always be unhappy people in a free society, but that's what leftists latch onto, rather than the fact that there are many more unhappy people in less free societies.

          Hopefully your rightists will realize that their well being and freedoms really do go hand in hand. Many of us in the U.S. have.

    • Young girls were harassed, strip searched and cavity searched by males at the detention centre. Not much better.

  22. Since we are likely to hold events like this in the future (at the very least Canada is obligated to host the G-8 every 8 years), we need solutions. It is not clear to me that every single summit can be effectively held in the boonies. At the most critical moments, there are likely to be large numbers of delegations that cannot be accommodated at a smaller venue.

    As I see it, assuming no major innovations, the options are:
    1. The status quo (which is costly)
    2a. Holding smaller summits at remote locations (which may reduce the amount of business that gets done. Moreover, protesters can simply assemble at large cities nearby)
    2b. Restricting the number of countries attending summits at remote locations (and guess which G-8 member is the best candidate for being cut…)
    3. Spend less on security and hope for the best (perhaps the protesters are more interested in confrontation, though perhaps they are also just over-privileged tourists that want an excuse to throw bricks at buildings).
    4. Severely restrict protest activities and or shut down protests as soon as violence takes place (which violates civil liberties, and helps make the point of the protesters)
    5. Holding no summits (which tends to inhibit the ability of world leaders to coordinate and to act decisively, since communication takes place through a thousand intermediaries)

    All of these are bad options for different reasons, which would suggest a need for some innovations. So lets hear some.

    • I thought Toronto's initial plea to stage the conference at the Exhibiition grounds would have addressed 2a, 3 and 4, at least to some extent, without completely surrendering to the minority idiots intent on voilence.

    • I think they could add more for the public with these summits. Hold an exhibition and/or discussion sessions. Make it something that a city wants to hold like the Olympics or an Expo.

  23. Vintage Cultural Marxists

    The goal of the cultural Marxist is to overturn a society by turning it's institutions into their antithesis. The roving gangs of violent G20 protesters, displayed signs denouncing capitalism, democracy, and the stabilizing characteristic of our police force. They would like to gut our institutions, like a fish, turn society upside, down and inside out. We have been challenged!

    • its called anarcho-syndacalism, it has nothing to do with marx except that it is anti-capital, nor do the ndp, you are a moron.

  24. Credibility? Integrity? Maclean's lost both a long time ago in most Canadians' eyes. The funniest thing about this biased, inaccurate screed is that it is in the form of an unsigned editorial. Apparently the person (or persons) who wrote it don't even have the guts or the conviction to sign their name(s) to this pile of dross.

    • Whereas an anonymous comment post on the internet — that takes an immense amount of courage and self-sacrifice.

    • Isn't it a bit rich that you didn't sign your name either?

      • Last time I checked I wasn't being paid to be a journalist. Although this particular Maclean's article is anything but "journalism".

  25. "Whatever steps the police took to prevent this
    from happening were both necessary and welcome."

    International summits should not be held in urban areas to begin with.
    Therefore, the Canadian taxpayer has just been robbed of close to 1B$.

    • Why you we bow to the whim of a few thugs.

      • S/B Why would you bow, to the whim of a few thugs.They will simply move onto something else they can destroy

  26. This editorial is pure B.S.! The lawlessness was not so much on the streets of Toronto as it was inside the security perimeter, where the powerful, who represent but a fraction of the world's population, decided without due democratic process the direction of the world's economy. What! We're paying over a billion $ to be told that the powerful are committed to reducing their deficit by 2013? That's it? Wow! I'm impressed! They must have been working around the clock to come up with such an astounding result! And of course deficit reduction means cuts to social security, healthcare, education, etc.
    As for the supposably lawlessness on the streets, once again excuse me, but, what, there were how many police in Toronto? 15 000? And they couldn't stop a few hundred hoodlums going vandals, but they could arrest 700 to 900 people, peaceful protesters and by-standers all mixed? What a joke!
    Me I say: wake up, fellow Canadians! Our fundamental rights are being eroded.

  27. they left multiple cop cars in the street to burn, left the financial district and immigrant businesses to be destroyed, with 20,000 police surrounding the area they let people run rampant on the streets of toronto. During the night they conducted raids, the next morning they picked people up off of the streets on their way to work, on their way home. During the day, they arrested hundreds in the easiest of circumstances, they arrested those who would not even fight back.

    Anonymous author of Macleans.ca

  28. Hmm, what's worse. Our government denying fundamental human rights to thousands of innocent citizens, or a group of criminals destroying property…. Tough call. Except that it's not.

    Who left the police cars unprotected in the middle of the streets? Who ordered the police NOT to intervene and arrest the "black bloc" criminals? The police are just as culpable in the destruction as the actual criminals. What a sick and ignorant piece of biased writing. Not surprised the author isn't listed. Who ever wrote it, though, needs to educate themselves if they want to consider themselves a 'journalist'. And Macleans should certainly hold its journalists to a much higher standard (unrelatedly, I'm currently unemployed, but in the past month have been published in multiple newspapers including the Toronto Star and the Hamilton Spectator).

  29. Who wrote this? Barbara Amiel? Why isn't this signed?

    Hundreds of people – most known to be completely innocent – were held for 23 hours in inhumane conditions – 40 to a cell, making it impossible to sit, except in relays. Denied water for 10 hours. (Try going that long without liquids and see how you feel). Subjected to brutal handling and humiliation. And they were INNOCENT – picked up for absolutely nothing. What justifies this treatment? Quite frankly, what justifies this treatment of any prisoner even if guilty. The guilty ones will get their punishment later.

    How can this writer not see that civil liberties and basic human rights, guaranteed by law, were denied hundreds? And that this is an issue not to be taken lightly in a society where people believe we have a rule of law that they are protected by.

    And MACLEANS – how can you print this claptrap? Who do you represent? This is worthy of some supermarket rag not a so-called national journal. Shame on you!

    • And here I thought this was a magazine for intellectuals

      I found one posting so far agreeing totally with the article, and he went off on some Marxist mumbo jumbo and denounced the NDP as such. I guess they're looking to soak up some SUN and National Post readers..

  30. What will it take for the major media in Canada to fight against human rights abuses? Do we all have to be marching in a goose-step before they realize the dangers?

    I was walking on the street that I live on (Queen Street, yes some people actually live on the street) when I and a friend were surrounded by about 12 cops. He was shoved against the wall and told one move and I'll shoot you. I was stuck in the rain for 4 1/2 hours all because I live downtown.

    I have lost faith in the police, politicians, government and media.

    McLean's wake up before your right to publish is denied with the stroke of a pen.

  31. Wag the dog PR Bullshit.

    We want our money back.

  32. It's nice that the ISU can get a guest editorial in MacLean's! Perhaps you could also let the 900 *peaceful* demonstrators who were illegally arrested and/or detained and/or beaten have their voices heard?

  33. It would be great if police and our government believed in the rule of law.

    Yet more trash from the mainstream media.

    The police did not pursue one single Black Block vandal.

    The police surrendered Queen Street to the Black Block vandals.

    The video evidence is right here.

    Is that your idea of preparedness? Turning tail and running when it comes time to act?

    Another piece of government line towing garbage.

    Human Rights are more important than windshields and store fronts. I thought we as Canadians understood that?

    And this insane belief that right wingers have that protestors should have some kind of uniform message is incredibly juvenile.

    That is the point of free speech, and freedom of assembly. You can speak up about whatever YOU are passionate about.

    I leave you with another account from a "G20 Thug", who deserves no leniancy.

    57 year old farmer, amputee and Thorold Ontario resident…

    What a thug!

  34. it is obvious to me, no macleans writer has the backbone to actually be at the protests. I ws arrested at queen and spadina, i was not one of the vandals, who if you had any skill as a journalist, youd learn that the police were told to stand down when the SMALL group of anarchists began their work. I was there to document the disorganization of the ISU and protesters alike. what i saw was people searching for something to believe in. what i saw was cops wanting to bust the bad guys but being ordered to attack the good guys. but you wouldnt have known any of this would you? no, instead you, oh nameless author, you sat at the media centre,schmoozing with your other cowardly buds. tell me, was the fake lake everything you dreamed it would be?

  35. This is one of the most erroneous, uninformed, ignorant and absolutely biased, unobjective and partisan pieces of writing that I have ever read, in all of my 60 years, which calls itself "journalism" or "an editorial". It is utterly without logic, factual basis, knowledge, research or even rational or critical analysis on any level. I am utterly shocked to read this in a publication that used to actually represent some of the best of Canadian journalism. Absolutely disgusting beyond words. My subscription, as well as that of two relatives, will be promptly cancelled. Shame on you, MacLeans. And whoever the "masked writer" was who wrote this drivel.

    • My guess is that you are a nurse from eastern Canada or central Canada and I am a nurse from western Canada. Thus, we totally disagree on the this editorial. I have lived in the west for many years and have experienced the conference when it has been held here. There has been no vandalism and no violence. The police have been on bikes – the crowd has been respectful. I watched the CBC and heard Peter Mansbridge describe the "hooligans" as they destroyed store fronts and burned police cars. There is no excuse for their behavior. Any wise, law-abiding person would have left the area. We watched it on national TV. A picture is worth a thousand words.

      • Then you missed the video of the rows and rows of black-clad police with shields and batons at the ready who were all standing around the corner, less than one block away, fully aware of what was going on and…………….DOING NOTHING! I strongly suggest you visit youtube and watch the 3-part video sequence – it is shocking to say the least. They stood there and did NOTHING to stop what was happening. Pictures are indeed worth a thousand words……..damning ones in this case. We were DUPED!

  36. CRUSH – Canadians Rallying to unseat Stephen Harper collect dollars from their members so they can publish http://www.unseatHarper.ca ads in national newspapers across Canada.

    unseatHarper dot ca

    • can we impeach McGuinty too?

  37. Andrew Coyne forgot to put his name to this one…?

  38. "The protection of free speech and assembly can only exist when there is proper respect for the rule of law."

    Where did these editors go to law school? A few anarchists wreck some property, and that gives police the right to arrest peaceful activists and hapless restaurant patrons, detaining them in steel cages for 20+ hours? No, MacLean's, this is not the test for trumping fundamental freedoms. Try again.

    Freedom of expression/press/peaceful assembly are FUNDAMENTAL to all, not contingent on unanimous good behaviour. Freedoms don't cease to "exist" when a few thugs disrespect law. Limits on peaceful assembly must be reasonable, prescribed by law and justifiable in a free and democratic society.

    What kind of society are the editors living in?

  39. I'm not sure why I even bother to read this mostly right wing rag. I totally agree with CanNurse.

    • I know exactly how you feel. I used to subscribe just for Feschuk. Then I discovered the internet!

  40. WOW… What a Peice of horse sh*t tripe!! The only G20 Thugs I saw were in uniform. Beating the hell out of easy targets. It was disgusting.

  41. Find yourself another country to be part of. You don't deserve to belong here.

  42. Yes, of course. Half a million downtown residents should be subjected to random detention and arrest (the Charter be damned!) and kept in cages for 18 hours without food or water, because 50 idiots from out of the city wore black masks and smashed some windows.

    I wonder what the Macleans editorial will look like 5 years from now when the judge releases his scathing report.

  43. Kept in perspective? 1000+ were arrested only to get about 17 people. The 17 are being charged with things like conspiracy to commit mischief, conspiracy to assault police and conspiracy to obstruct police.

    We don't even go this insane when people commit murder.

    • keep*

  44. Maclean's, here's one of the "thugs" you think deserves to be locked up. http://niagaraatlarge.com/2010/07/05/thorold-onta
    As I read more accounts of people arrested coming out of restaurants, peaceful protesters and tourists arrested, cops making sexual comments to detainees and even threatening rape, I get more and more angry. By all means, prosecute the people who actually broke the windows and burnt the cars. It would've been efficient to have arrested them while the crimes were taking place. But even Homolka and Bernardo had their rights read and were informed of the charge against them. Why were so many not informed of the charge? Why weren't all prisoners given access to a toilet? Why were so many kept in plastic cuffs for 10 hours or more? If the police acted responsibly all weekend, why are there so many stories like the one in the link above?

  45. shame on you, you barbarians.

    seated women deserve to be shot with rubber bullets and locked like livestock for 30 hours.

    i hope someone throws you in a cage with no water for a day or two.

    we are a nation of brutal, spoiled, entitled, savages, and we deserve every single bad thing that happens to us after this.

  46. I'm not surprised that there's no byline on this poorly researched and poorly thought out piece of authoritarian cheerleading. Was it written by Whyte or Steyn? Or is it a guest article by Blair? C'mon Macleans, fess up.

  47. Those responsible for the damage done and for creating the unrest should be held accountable. And that includes the police top brass, top politicians (McGuinty and Miller) who have some explaining to do. Why was the police told to stand down and not to interfere when Black Block were smashing their way through the city (Saturday) and why were hundreds of protesters, whose only crime was to exercise their rights and freedoms (or just plain being outside on the street watching) arrested and detained the following day?
    Check some independent videos on youtube or other articles: http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/joe_war

    Nobody is above the law, neither the protesters nor the police or politicians. We need an inquiry.

  48. Was this article a collaborative effort by premier McGuinty, mayor Miller and chief Blair? It could not be more biased.
    How about growing some spine and balls, Macleans?

  49. I believe that the police and many protestors alike failed to act in a responsible and ethical manor. It seems that everyone is to blame. However, the shocking part is that we hold the police to a higher standard. They are assumed to be the role models of this city and, during the G20, they disgraced themselves. I will think twice before I look to a police officer for direction or credibility.

  50. Do you guys remember the Tamil protests in Toronto, and how police tiptoed around that for the fear of being called racist? The streets downtown and Gardiner were all illegally blocked by protesters, but cops didn't do jack.
    Now they arrest people for being on the street or in the areas designated for protest. Hmmm… I guess it is true "we all live in a police state", we just didn't get the memo.
    Democracy is only when the politicians want to get elected, after that, screw your rights and freedoms, suckers.

  51. I'm glad to see that my reaction to this was not alone. Very disappointed in this piece of writing.

  52. Clearly all those arrested unjustly deserve an apology. These of course would have been those peaceful demonstrators who, after realising that their naivete and trust were being exploited by professional demonstrators who lacked either courage or convictions, but were anxious to cause injury to their fellow citizens and taxpayers and wilfully to destroy their property, not to mention Canada's reputation for toterance and civility, reacted by
    1. Apologetically trying to flee the scene, or
    2. Subduing the agitators until police arrived, or placing themselves between the agitators and their targets to try to protect the persons and property under threat, or
    3. Unmasking and pointing out the agitators to the police for identification and arrest.
    I did not see very many of these, and am sure most Canadians would prefer the remainder of those arrested remain behind bars until they apologise and help make restitution for the damages caused by the violence which they sanctioned by their behaviour.

    • You are under the mistaken understanding, fed by the media, that most peaceful protesters were anywhere near the "violent" ones. Most of the people arrested did nothing to "subdue agitators" because they were nowhere near any agitators at any time. They went to a peaceful protest that remained peaceful the entire time, then they were arrested. And then of course there were the tourists and workers whose only crime was being in Toronto.

  53. I dislike the headline because it presumes guilt. What makes you so sure they arrested the thugs? Let's wait and see if they got any Black Bloc or if they just arrested the much more visible intellectual element of the protest movement. You know, the university kids with their web sites, and so on, that were "infiltrated" by the police.

  54. Was this article dispatched from the police media service?
    What a biased load of subjective garbage.
    I do recall a time when MACLEAN’S wasn’t a screeching right wing corporatist shill rag, but that was a long time ago.

  55. this is the worst piece of alleged investigative journalism I have ever read – or was it written by Bill Blair? MacLeans is supposed to be an unbiased reporter of events, not a supporter of a police state. Shame on you MacLeans – I will never buy another of your magazines unless you return to be a news magazine, not a source of government propaganda.

  56. This article and the cover really irritated me. The vast majority of the people arrested did not deserve to be arrested. The question that has to be asked is why the Police allowed the destruction to go on for over an hour. With all the surveillance it is hard to believe that they were not aware. It increasingly appears that the Police allow this to happen to justify later undemocratic acts by them.

  57. Masturbatory worship of law and authority, so typical of conservatives.

    • not all conservatives…

  58. This is the worst article about the G20 in Toronto yet. The anonymity of the demonstrators is a common complaint. The anonymity of the author of this drivel is equally assailable.

    Let's us not lose sight of the fact that the "violence" perpetrated by the demonstrators constituted the damaging of inanimate objects, while the most of the violence perpetrated by the authorities constituted beating, shoving, grabbing, dragging, striking, use of chemical weapons, shooting with plastic bullets and "beanbags," barely legal detainment of innocents, etc. against citizens who were a) bystanders, b) journalists, or c) people attempting to exercise their Charter-guaranteed right to political expression.

  59. Lawlessness: when we live in a police state in which the police make their own laws by trampling on peaceful citizens' civil rights.

  60. So true, what a joke of an article. Here in Canada we mass arrest peaceful protesters exercising their rights just because a few bad apples were violent and yet we are in Afghanistan supposedly helping them achieve democracy. What a joke of a country we have become.

    Next thing you know the violent ones will turn out to be cops… provocateurs,, will not be the first time:

  61. The Toronto police, went confronted with a few unarmed aggressive idiots egged on and possibly led by a very large number undercover police officers ran from any confrontation like scared little babies … The so-called riot police, armed and armored to the teeth with clubs, guns and automatic sub machine guns ran away from the boys in black giving them more then an hour without police interference in anything they did …. big strong police officers ran away from their cars saying I'm scared, I'm scared and mommy, mommy, help me mommy.

    Now I can assure you that what I have just written is closer to the truth then the pure garbage in this unsigned article/editorial I am commenting on.

    It is fitting that no one put their name to the drivel written by Macleans because it is obvious they share the same streak of yellow running down their back as did the police who ran away from the people's property which was entrusted to them.

    Cowards … I think I'll find some white feathers to hand out to them as their just reward for protecting private property.

    Lawrence A. Oshanek

  62. This is a mind-bogglingly stupid and horrendously inaccurate piece of trash. Nothing more really needs to be said, except I truly feel sorry for the astoundingly smug ignorance of the writer. There's 5 minutes I'll never get back.

  63. The Toronto police, went confronted with a few unarmed aggressive idiots egged on and possibly led by a very large number undercover police officers ran from any confrontation like scared little babies … The so-called riot police, armed and armored to the teeth with clubs, guns and automatic sub machine guns ran away from the boys in black giving them more then an hour without police interference in anything they did …. big strong police officers ran away from their cars saying I'm scared, I'm scared and mommy, mommy, help me mommy.

    • looks like 99% of responders did not agree with this article…

  64. If this ignorant writer had taken the time to talk to any of the 900+ innocent protesters who were tackled, detained, strip searched, beaten and otherwise violated beyond any stretch of the constitution, he would have realized how dangerously fascist his sentiments are. If the police had only searched for and taken action against those who were violent, then maybe MAYBE they could be considered heroes. As it stands, there have been hundreds of videos and people who have come forth to testify to how they were abused by a system that is designed to protect those who have the courage to stand up and make a point about what they believe. There is nothing heroic about taking down innocent people with political awareness who were holding signs and trying to stand up for their rights which, ironically, were those who had them violated the most. I am speaking from knowing more than one of the innocent people who were terrorized and I have heard the accounts first-hand. Shame on the police and shame on the capitalist asshole who sat down to write this ignorant piece of writing. Continue your blindness and keep promoting our ascent into a police-state mentality. Real patriotic.

  65. If you follow the writer's logic – then we should implement the death penalty for ALL crime.

  66. PM Harper, thank you for spending $1.5 billion to suspend my civil liberties, hold the G20 Summit in the center of a vibrant city (although Mayor Miller formally asked you to hold the Summit with less disturbance at the walled CNE), and charge me as a citizen to sell off my country to a group of economists, who do not represent the international majority interest.

    This article is poorly written, researched and very politically biased. The real question is whether the real issues regarding climate change, privatization, and environmental degradation by corporations will ever be addressed fairly by the media.

  67. Canada has become a welfare state, where freeloaders demand to be cared for while not contributing tosociety. These are the same people that show up at demonstrations and destroy private and public property. They have the time and the money, because no responsibility of holding down a job wheras to help contribute to society as a whole. There's is to complain and protest at every demonstration. For people like them there is no sympathy for the damage and destruction they cause. These hoodlums attend demonstrations to hide behind bandanas and hoodies to disguise themselves. They would dare not stand there and damage property then take the consequences. The police showed great restraint and probably should have moved in early and started arresting people. Peopls who have caused the damge should face the consequence of jail time and also compensation for the damage. These people have no regard for what belongs to others and should not be spared the full extent of the law. Enough of the bleeding heart mentality. Civil liberties people, give your head a shake. No foul no lockup. Live within the law. Again, the police did a great job..

  68. Looks like it was written by the same anonymous coward who wrote the Maclean's demented diatribe.

  69. Whatever it takes to turn a buck hunh? Good for the head editor of Macleans. The value of your stockholders shares might experience a slight gain because of your irresponsible and hackneyed reporting. I know serious journalists might be chagrined at such a description, but not you. You don't really care about anything other than sustained profitability. You have no values, integrity, empathy or sense of social responsibility. Which is good, because they only get in the way of making money. Fling out a story that is biased and wildly inflammatory, then sit back and hope the dollars roll in because enough people are shocked by your complete lack of shame and intelligence. They might buy your pulp or maybe click through the ads on your web pages. Thank Money that those cars burned and glass got broken, because otherwise all there would be to talk about would be the issues. Business Uber Alles! HAIL!

  70. by roving lawlessness and thugs you must surely be referring to the executive board of global capitalism (and hence destitution, misery, and illness) who were quietly meeting behind the fence while 700 unarmed citizens were being arrested.

  71. it's interesting that the author states there was a lack of a cohesive cause that the protestors are rallying for. There were roughly 20,000 people who marched in the peaceful protest on saturday afternoon. it should be expected that there would be a variety of views being expressed. to expect 20,000 people who are converging for the first time to have a united voice on one particular subject is pretty illogical. its is bald statements like this my jounralists in respected newsmedia that paint a picture of 'protestors' as being out-of-it and irrelevant. in fact, these 'protestors' are everyday people who care about what happens in the world.

  72. Fine. Arrest law-breaking protesters provided we also arrest law-breaking government members. By my reckoning, that would have thinned the ranks of the G20 by at least 90%. Obama would have been first in jail.

  73. Who wrote this piece of s—? Is it an editorial? Shame on you Maclean's.

    Your glossing over of police actions, not to mention their deliberate misleading of the public on the application of a legislation, is disappointing. But I'm sure many others will make arguments about that.

    Shame on you for rediculing protests about "the treatment of homosexuals in Iran". I get the point you are trying to make (i.e. that it is not readily applicable to the summit) but it's hardly a trivial issue.

  74. ARREST the WRITER of this drivel.

  75. No Raina, you're confused with your own submission!

  76. I agree that Toronto Police are among the finest and that what happened at the G20 Fiasco was neither started nor promoted by the City's police force or its chief, one of the most liberal in its history!

    The problem was the stubbornes of the Prime Minister who refused to listen (what else is new) to Logic and move the venue to a less problematic venue. The city fathers and mothers knew best when they suggested the Exhibition grounds. A slow War Cruise Ship would have been preferable…sailing to Nunavut carrying all the Photo-Op participants on it away from our City. So that they could do no harm and save Taxpayers $ 2Billion Dollars!

    The decision to hold it in Toronto and the mismanagement of the Funding by the feds together with the overreaction of the "special integrated forces" who made Toronto look like a bad scene from a B movie's WarZone in arresting and pushing around innocent citizens–while the day before the carnage was allowed to occur, showed the incompetence of Ottawa at its best. But we are left holding the huge bill.
    Public Inquiry NOW. And hold the Feds responsible for trashing our City and the right of its peaceful citizens to protest the banana republic policies of this half-baked Minority in Everything!

  77. When is Macleans' federal PR contract expiring anyway? Or did Macleans provide some Editorial Cover for the ineptness of PM Harpo Marx and his banana republic defenders?

  78. What a thoroughly idiotic editorial. I've thought for years that "Macleans" was a garbage magazine and this bit of drivel only confirms that estimation.

    "It's possible many of those arrested for breach of the peace were not directly involved in any violence. But they were released in a matter of hours. Canadians' constitutional rights have survived the ordeal unscathed."

    I would like the anonymous writer behind this travesty to consider the following: A crime occurs in his or her city, right under the noses of the police. The next day, the anonymous writer is violently arrested in another part of the city, and put in a 10×20 cell with forty other people an held for over a day in uncomfortable, degrading conditions. He or she is then released without charges and no explanation.

    Does that sound like a free and democratic society?

    I'd explain why the anonymous writer is clueless about economic reality as well, but I sense it's a waste of time.

  79. I say ,any of the thugs that were arrested that had anything to do with the vandalism and or the organizing of these activities shoull feel the FULL consequenses to the letter of the law ,for which they have no respect, and do the time for the crime.The masks alone show how cowardice these idiots are.

  80. I've often wondered why hoodies and packpacks are permitted at any demonstration. (this is a little late as i receive this from Macleans approx. 4 days latter than everyone else ). Because of this I doubt that i will be renewing my subscription.

  81. This article that tries to justify Gestapo tactics by the Toronto police, shows that Macleans is becoming more rightwing than Fox.

  82. After months of surveillance and intel the police knew who the Black Bloc members were. It has now been reported that the police had an infiltrator in their midst. and knew of their plans. Why then were the Black Bloc allowed to run riot on Saturday? Who made the decision to sacrifice the business core? Wake up folks, this was street theatre, staged if not scripted, and everybody got played to justify the billion dollar price tag. We need a full and independent inquiry to investigate this debacle and to make sure that this never happens again in any Canadian city.

  83. I agree with throwing the book at the violent protesters/black block, but not if it means that even one innocent/non-violent protester was subjected to the conditions of the detention 'camp'. The conditions of the detention camp would not have been inflicted on Canada's most notorious criminals for fear of suspending their Rights: why is it okay to do so to people with dissenting opinions?

    The allegations of widespread abuse and appalling conditions aren't just coming from tinfoil hat wearing wing-nuts either. CityTV's Michael Talbot, a reporter simply covering the story, has written a marvelous piece (which can be found on the CityTV website, just google city tv reporter detained g20) in which he describes the arbitrary nature with which he was arrested and then unfairly detained.

    The truest tragedies here are the violent protesters that gave all the protesters a bad name, and the 'bad' cops who seriously undermined the bravery of the majority of the police services in attendance.

  84. This editiorial is so removed from what most civilized people think that it almost makes me want to drop my subscriptio.

  85. I cannot believe how so many people can be so far off the mark !!

    Many of the G20 protesters travelled to TO from other countries with a primary directive of creating havoc and they were mildly successful.

    The police on the other hand could have been in better control if they had done the following:
    1) Allow legitmitate protesters into the “protest area” by checking them in similar to the proccess used when checking in at the airport..
    2) Do not allow masked people in the area … hiding their identity proves they are up to no good.
    3) Do not allow back packs or any material that can be used as a weapon in the area.
    They could use the same/similar guidelines as the airlines.
    4) Arrest all troublemakers, fingerprint them and catalog their DNA.
    5) Restitution for damages should be compensated by the perpetrators.

    These thugs need jail time and fines to help termintae this violent activity.
    The judges/magistrates should also hand out the maximum fines and jail time.

    The human race cannot condone this behaviour.


    This is a Maclean's, Rogers Media flagship magazine pathetic cover story – so biased and misinormed…

    A sad example of cheap (fly by) 3rd grade journalism, in what used to be one of the best magazines in the country…

    So blinded by the ultra-conservative bias – the story doesn't even think of questioning why two of the vandalized police carS were be left on Queen street for hours (resulting in being torched, at 3 hours intervals, esp. after a huge show of force following the first car being burnt, then securing the area and eventually leaving the second cruiser there after police forces packed up in two large white bus coaches).

    With a 1 B$ security budget, police forces could not afford a tow truck? (They know how to call tow trucks during rush hour! :) )

    Hello Maclean's? Do your job of journalists and investigate ALL sides of the story, not only the convenient ones for your slant. And be true to what Maclean's used to be: a reference in quality Canadian journalism. Not just some Fox news type of cheap grade biased editorial…

  87. Simple enough: you wear a mask on a street, you get arrested and charges.
    You carry a baseball bat, same thing.

    T.O. Police did a great job.

    • How do you know that behind those masks there were no police provocateurs?

      Why did police officers drove their cars and then abandoned them in the middle of streets that were reserved to demonstrators, so that they could be easily torched?

      To me it looks like the police wanted to justify the billion $ spent on security by arresting everyone in their sight and by provoking the chaos that resulted.

    • They forgot to arrest those ones … they let them go and arrested people walking their dogs. Bwhahahaha

      The T.O. Police ran from the masked ones and let them break windows and burn police cars …. an act of cowardice?

      T.O. police are cowards. Give them a white feather award! If our Calgary cops left city property to be burned I would be after their jobs in a hot minute rather then offering them praise.

      Why would you praise people who were too scared to take on a few masked rioters?

  88. The stupidest thing I've ever read in MacLean's, and that's saying something.

  89. A frightened woman dares to argue with Toronto police telling them to calm down and that people are leaving … watch what happens – please note that the people are already dispersing and that most have left with only photographers mostly present.

    I was just following orders ….. our future is in this clip …. 52,000 people on FaceBook asking for an inquiry.

    Canadians Demanding a Public Inquiry into Toronto G20

    Join them.

  90. "…And the G20 summit did conclude on a note worthy of some optimism: a pledge to cut government deficits in half by 2013…."

    I think the author forgot the words "non-binding" somewhere in that sentence. By the way, was Mark Steyn the author?


  91. What a spectacularly ignorant farce of an editorial. I can remember when Macleans was worth reading. Pity.

  92. So wait a second…we spend 1.2 billion dollars to stop the black bloc- FAIL TO STOP them even though hundreds of cops are 3 blocks away, arrest about 900 innocent people (including journalists) and we're supposed to applaud the cops? are you OUT OF YOUR MIND!?

    You want to know why magazines are really going out of business? This is why. Sorry Maclean's, but your out of touch and completely obsolete. Welcome to the internet.

  93. Not only is the writing ignorant but it seems to support this right wing ideology of shutting up people and ruling without contest/ without criticism. Very very ignorant and scary piece of writing.

  94. The article would make a lot of sense…if it was based on actual facts. the police, on instructions from command, did nothing to stop the actual thugs you are worried about. Look at the hundreds of hours of video of the small group riot. There is absolutely no police intervention, they aren't even visible for most of it. Twenty thousand cops couldn't stop 150 rioters for 90 minutes? Come on. The people they showed no leniency to were the ten thousand legitimate, peaceful demonstrators who had nothing to do with the riot. They let the thugs go with a nod, a wink and a few nice gifts.

  95. This is a remarkably ignorant and stupid article which grossly misrepresents basic facts. In the real world it appears that the vandalism shown on TV was allowed and facilitated by the police – look it up in more intelligent reports than this one. With regard to the 25,000 or so peaceful protesters, and the journalists and the legal and civil rights observers, the police behaved lawlessly, trampling on basic democratic rights, arrested hundreds of people for no apparent reason and violently assaulted journalists and protesters. Look it up in better sources than Macleans.

  96. Clearly, you either didn't send anyone to cover the G20 or whoever you did send spent all
    of their time following Mayor Miller around and/or eagerly lapping up Toronto Police Services'
    Press Releases. This is a truly disgusting and ignorant bit of editorializing masquerading as journalism.
    It isn't even worthy of a reasoned response.

  97. Lock them up: Why the G20 thugs don't deserve any leniency should read, Take Away Their Badges: Why the G20 Police don't deserve their jobs as protectors of the people.

    This is a serious piece of shit writing.

    Why do governments (yes Harper, I'm looking at you) think that suspending, violating, ignoring people's rights is OK? That people can be treated as any old piece of inconsequential garbage and that's OK? Why, when people have power (Harper, McGuinty, Miller, Blair & individual police persons) they exercise it in the worst possible manner?

    Since the pepperspraying in Vancouver we have seen more and more that "Power" is being used to suppress people not empower people. Until the people are empowered in their own country we are deemed to be the opposite of democratic and no matter how long and loud "Power" proclaim we are/this was democratic, their actions say otherwise. Whatever your political stripe … WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!

  98. Yes, bring the thugs to justice – the police officers who violently assaulted peaceful protesters and journalists, and fired rubber bullets at them, and those who gave them their orders. As for the property destruction, which unlike the conduct of the uniformed police caused no injuries, the police role in faciliting it needs to be investigated.

  99. Totally clueless, embarrassingly shallow commentary. The violent protesters got away because the police let them through their incompetence on Saturday. Then the police took revenge on non-violent protesters.

  100. Wow. Is this the quality of "journalism" I can expect from this rag? No wonder I choose to get most of my news overseas. How anyone in this country can not be furious that we had, in Toronto, something akin to the War Measures Act enacted (illegal search and detention even priot to summit, violence at Queen's Park that was unprovoked AND THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FREE SPEECH ZONE, people denied legal council etc. etc. etc.) except IT WAS NOT ENACTED. Everything that was done was ILLEGAL. THERE WAS NO GOVERNMENT DECREED SUSPENSION OF RIGHTS. Not only that, but it's OBVIOUS that the entire thing was used as a free for all by RCMP and perhaps CSIS to stop and investigate people who acted WITHIN THE LAW for their (RCMP) own purposes. The whole thing stinks to high heaven and as a result we should have another McDonald Commission with a new name. Canadians should demand civilian oversight over all policing activities. And where, pray tell, did the 1,000,000,000 dollars go? To fund these organizations that deem themselves above the law? People can say the protesters are weak on this one… complaining about things that don't matter. I say, fall over journalism that doesn't understand the precedent that will be set by this summit if the policing activities are not investigated, should grow a pair themselves.

  101. "In fact the police should be commended for their vow to pursue any and all protesters associated with the vandalism. "

    This has proven to be an empty vow…the police showed little interest in arresting anyone committing acts of violence. The person who instigated the destruction of police cars wore no mask. I've seen countless pictures of him posted on protestor sites…we'd all like to see him arrested. http://torontog20exposed.blogspot.com/2010/07/sus
    Why aren't the police posting his picture everywhere…why aren't they asking the public for help identifiying him. I don't necessarily believe the guy is a provacateur, but his arrest would be a great symbol for the police if they really are serious about bringing vandals to justice. Otherwise, that excuse for the mass arrests of peaceful protesters rings hallow.

  102. The ISU are a bunch of cowboys who ignore civilian intelligence at every opportunity. They chose to ignore intelligence on SOAR (Southern Ontario Anarchists Resistance) and devoted time to ground operation wherein CCTV signal intelligence was ignored. You reporters should do yourselves a favor before praising police as though you are groupies at a Crosby Stills Nash and Young concert and realize that situations are nuanced. Both those engaging in Black Blocing Tactics (the black bloc is not a group as a prior RCMP report suggests) and police are at fault. And just so you know, all of those good, positive, and reliable intelligence networks CSIS took the time to build on campuses among activists wary of radicals have gone to shit because they are spooked. So please, when you go to bed tonight, realize that what the ISU did on the G20 weekend was make our job at civilian intelligence harder and should our unseen shield waver or weaken due to the actions of some RCMP cowboys, we all know who to blame…

  103. Excellent discussions here.

  104. I certainly agree that any thugs arrested should have the book thrown at them

    Now, can we talk about what should be done about the other 900+ people who were arrested for things like "walking to work" and "taking groceries back to my apartment", and "sitting on the grass at Queen's Park"???

    • Pffft. They got a free sandwich out of it, and probably made new friends in holding. They weren't even put in zip-tie wristlets. I've never been arrested so luxuriously, I've still got a ridge on my forehead from the nightstick.

  105. Hi everyone,
    Take action. Cancel your subscriptions. Maclean's is owned by Rogers Media. If you're customer of their magazines, etc., make your voice heard by kicking them hard in their revenues: http://www.rogerspublishing.ca/portfolio/rogers_w… . Suggest the same to anyone who receives their publications for waiting rooms (e.g., your dentist, doctor, etc.) — advertisers ascribe a lot of value to such subscriptions. And, of course, tweet and blog to spread the word.

    Paul Wells should also take action. He should resign.

    Philip Stern

  106. We should host summits like this in Whistler

    • Amen… how much does it cost to keep a bunch of mountain folk out of a provincial park?

  107. http://torontog20exposed.blogspot.com/2010/07/sus

    Nuff said. Show me the money Blair.
    So how much cash did some hack within MacLeans (name witheld for good reason I suspect) get paid by Harper's Schutzstaffel to write and print this crap.

  108. Wow, reading some of these negative comments clearly explains the ignorance you have to policing. Obviously the tactics used by the anarchists was to burn the cars and lure the police from the security zones so that worse damage could be done. Stop the armchair quarterbacking. Those who chose to be in the middle of things are the authors of their own misfortune.
    The police kept EVERYONE safe, nobody was hurt and catastrophe was avoided. The police did an amazing job, were very professional and should be commended. A few burnt cars can be replaced. Did you see all the weapons seized from the so called innocent protesters? Firebombs, knives, hammers, bats, axes, 2×4's…. Not very peaceful items….. Rocks, urine and feces were thrown at the Police, those people are lucky they didnt get hurt.

  109. What awful, lazy writing.

  110. I've cancelled my subscription, this piece of writing is in my opinion horrid.

    Macleans very right of centre politics permeates throughout its magazine. I've tolerated it for far too long.

  111. I had the displeasure of finding this article on the table in the staff room at work. In defense of the police at the G20 summit, and in condemnation of the protestors, McLeans editorial staff writes:

    "The protection of free speech and assembly can only exist when there is a proper respect for the rule of law"

    In light of the subversive tactics of the cabinet and of the police, I suggest McLeans does more research into their perverted understanding of this concept.

  112. Well written opinion piece from the editors.

    I can't take any of it at face value; it sounds like the author(s) were in a mood while this was written. This wasn't meant to be journalism (I hope, for the credibility of the writer(s)), it's an opinion piece like you'd find in the front few pages of any magazine. Take it for what it's worth; someone's thoughts. They just so happen to have a cooler place to write their thoughts than we do.

    Newsflash: most of our opinions we're posting on here sound equally silly.

    That being said, my perspective and personal opinion is on the same side of the spectrum; like the TPS said a month earlier, "if you don't need to be in town that weekend, don't be." I'm not a troublemaker, so I knew very well while walking through downtown Toronto that week (where police were the majority of people in the streets), I wasn't going to be sticking around when the motorcades hit town. I disagree with a lot of things in the world, and I'd like to see them changed, but the G20 protests are not the most effective forum to voice our disagreements. It's a protest, you're standing in a clearly marked "designated protest zone;" being arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, getting sub-standard (FREE) sandwiches, was probably the highlight of your weekend. You probably made new friends and updated your Facebook on your BlackBerry while sitting in the company of likeminded individuals. It was a free night's accommodation in better comfort than the World Backpacker's hostel on Spadina.

    Get over it. Move on. Find a more effective way to make the changes you want where the public will take you seriously. We have a democracy. Make use of it, or else we're no better off than an anarchy or dictatorship.

    I'd sure hate to see you guys in a country where police brutality is actually something to be afraid of, to the point you don't dare talk about it.

    • I think the point has been missed… maybe you're not a trouble maker, but these unnamed authors have done this in the past, they stir up shit to encourage discussion. It seems as though it works. MacLean's feeding the dogs and blog trolls like this gives the ISU a clear indicator of how the public feels about their work. Good on MacLean's for fuelling the anger about it.

      I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously, it was just to set a few of us off to rant a bit. I hope ISU is reading this. I hope the Montreal riot officers are reading this and not taking it personally… they were given strict orders, and they followed them. I've been there before, like a track racer qualifying for the Olympics, all you want to do is run, but the guy with the starter pistol is high.

    • I think the point has been missed… maybe you're not a trouble maker, but these unnamed authors have done this in the past, they stir up shit to encourage discussion. It seems as though it works. MacLean's feeding the dogs and blog trolls like this gives the ISU a clear indicator of how the public feels about their work. Good on MacLean's for fuelling the anger about it.

      I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously, it was just to set a few of us off to rant a bit. I hope ISU is reading this. I hope the Montreal riot officers are reading this and not taking it personally… they were given strict orders, and they followed them. I've been there before, like a track racer qualifying for the Olympics, all you want to do is run, but the guy with the starter pistol is high.

    • I think the point has been missed… maybe you're not a trouble maker, but these unnamed authors have done this in the past, they stir up emotion to encourage discussion. It seems as though it works. MacLean's feeding the dogs and blog trolls like this gives the ISU a clear indicator of how the public feels about their work. Good on MacLean's for fuelling the anger about it.

      I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously, it was just to set a few of us off to rant a bit. I hope ISU is reading this. I hope the Montreal riot officers are reading this and not taking it personally… they were given strict orders, and they followed them.

  113. I'm glad you fell into MacLean's trap. Does a (relatively) reputable publication actually expect to write something this offensive without this backlash? Maybe they're using our responses to send the real message… "ISU, we disagree. Do better next time."

  114. So, concern that we have just experienced the largest mass arrests in Canadian history and the willingness of the police to misrepresent the law to Canadian citizens (as well as their actions in enforcing it), purportedly over the destruction of four police cars and the windows of (wait for it) dozens of store windows, is tantamount to complaints about "the quality of the sandwiches in detention".

    no wonder this thing was posted anonymously. have to ensure that no one leaves any fingerprints doing the dirty work of schilling.

  115. There's isn't much that hasn't already been said, but just so we're clear…"subscription cancelled."

  116. For those who read Macleans, the look at the pictures in the article. Do you see the man in green being held down police? His name is John. John is NOT a thug. I have met John, and did you know why he was arested? For "resisting arest" when in fact John is missing a leg. It is very hard for John to get up and down. He and his daughter sat down with two other protesters where they were told they could. A group of police came up to the the four peaceful protesters banging on their sheilds yelling at them to move. John's daughter and the other two protesters were helping John get up while the police we shouting and hitting them. Johns daughter was arrested, John's artificial leg was tooken away from him. The police told him to hop, but he could not get up, so they dragged him to the bus which took them to jail.

  117. Congrats to you, you have said what I have been meaning to say ever since the G20, thanks-you

  118. Honestly, the editor who ran this piece should be fired or suspended. The article is completely misinformed and purposefully fictionalized to the point where you're assuming your readers have been living under a rock and won't notice the horrid 'journalism.'

  119. Didn't realize that it took 900 people to burn 1 police car. And if that's the case, how does that make the police prepared.

    The truth is, the police pushed protesters from Queens Park (the designated protest area-which is against the Charter of Rights) while the vandals were torching the police car. Prepared? Don't think so.

    What about the video of a police officer (who refused to identify himself) arrested a protester for blowing bubbles? Surely that does not sound professional to you.

    Stop with the propaghandi already.

  120. Ontario Ombudsman's special report on G20 regulation — Take that and suck it Macleans