Harper still far from majority: poll

Meanwhile, a divide is forming between Quebec and the rest of Canada

Despite some high profile gaffes and billions in new spending promises, after two weeks on the campaign trail, the main parties barely budged in the minds of Canadian voters, according to a survey done for Maclean’s and 680 News.

When asked which party people would vote for if there were an election today, 39 per cent of respondents on Innovative Research Group’s Canada 20/20 panel picked the Conservatives, virtually unchanged from 39.1 per cent after the first week of the campaign. The Liberals move up, but only slightly, to 28 per cent, from 27.5 per cent, while the NDP was flat at around 17 per cent.

The poll also shows Stephen Harper still enjoys the most support for prime minister. Of respondents to Innovative’s survey, 36 per cent said Harper would make the best prime minister, compared to just 22 per cent for Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff and 19 per cent for NDP leader Jack Layton.

But Harper still remains far short of his coveted majority. “If Michael Ignatieff brings the brand loyalists home, he’ll inevitably do better than in the last election,” says Greg Lyle, Innovative’s managing director. “Harper’s challenge is greater. He needs to reach outside his safe zone of party loyalists to people who don’t feel the Conservatives are their party but will vote for the Conservatives regardless.”

As the election moves forward, research by Innovative suggests a divide is forming between Quebec and the rest of Canada. While the Federal parties enjoy a strong connection with voters in most provinces, in Quebec the electorate is simply tuning out. In la belle province nearly half of panelists said this election is less interesting than most others, a far higher number than in the rest of Canada. Not only are Quebec voters less aware of the various campaigns—just 74 per cent of voters in Quebec had seen or heard anything about Harper or Ignatieff, compared to 87 per cent and 82 per cent respectively in the rest of Canada—barely half say the parties are talking about issues that matter to them, compared to 62 per cent in the rest of Canada.

There’s an irony in the different way Quebeckers and other Canadians are approaching this election though, says Lyle. While Quebec voters say they’re less interested in the campaign, they’re actually paying more attention to the issues than most Canadians are. Innovative asked panelists what they’d read, seen or heard about each of the leaders. In the case of Harper the dominant thing people in the rest of Canada recalled was the controversy that erupted after several people were ejected from Conservative rallies because of Facebook links to other parties. But in Quebec the most common news item the panelists recalled was the release of the Tory election platform. It was the same situation with the Liberals. While the dominant memory most Canadians had of that party’s campaign were inappropriate comments by Liberal candidates, those in Quebec primarily recalled the Liberal promise to replace Montreal’s Champlain Bridge.

Across the board, the Tory controversy threatens to hurt them at the polls much more than the Liberal gaffes do. Close to half of those surveyed said they were less likely to vote for the Conservatives after the Facebook incident, while less than 20 per cent said racist comments by a former Liberal candidate in Manicouagan would negatively impact their decision to vote for the party. Having said that, Tory loyalists have generally ignored the issue and remain staunch supporters.

As in past elections, there have been complaints that the media are spending too much time covering gaffes and that not enough attention is being paid to the issues. Yet the results of Innovative’s survey show that for most Canadians, it’s the gaffes and gossip they pay the most attention to. “On the one hand people tell us they want to hear more about issues,” says Lyle. “but on the other hand it’s the gaffes that get the most interest.”

The survey results were drawn from 2059 randomly selected respondents who live in the province, and are part of Innovative’s nation-wide online panel. Responses were gathered April 8-11 and the margin of error is plus or minus 2.16 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. To join Innovative Research Group’s Canada 20/20 panel, visit www.canada2020.com.




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Harper still far from majority: poll

  1. I really hope Harper gets a majority this time. One thing is for sure: It would save the tax payers at least $350 million for the election we are bound to have in another 2 years with a minority. It's time to stop playing politics and get some things accomplished!

  2. It's discouraging to think that these are my only choices on May 2nd.

    • Well, thereis Elizabeth May… or if you're lucky, there'll be a Rhino candidate on your ballot!

    • Then you should run.

    • You could always spoil your vote

    • maybe its time for electoral reform

  3. It's discouraging to think that these are my only choices on May 2nd.

  4. Ya, a good chunk of savings he could distribute to the Conservative ridings at his own personal discretion

  5. Ya, a good chunk of savings he could distribute to the Conservative ridings at his own personal discretion

  6. I truly believe if the Conseratives get a majority we will see some positive changes. Much needed changes ~ One major thing ~ Constitution needs to be revamped and I hope this is something Prime Minister Harper will look at.

    • Nothing has changed under Harper. Corruption is everywhere.

      • "Nothing"? What is wrong with you? Do you do any research or just listen to all the BS accusations Iggy and Layton spew out their mouths and accept them as truth?

      • Something is a difficult thing to accomplish with a minority government. Anything that was not accomplished in the House of Commons was not accomplished because your libs voted against it. And I’m sorry, but just one example is the endless money that is wasted on that god awful gun registery. It is not the law abiding citizens that register their guns that are shooting up the streets. And all it does is let these thugs know exactly where they can find these guns and I take personal offense to mister Ignatieff saying that women need to be protected and the only way to do that is with a functioning gun registry. All this is doing is costing us money and mister Ignatieff, I do not need the protection of your gun registry, this is not the 1920′s and ladies can look after themselves and are some of the people that enjoy the sport of hunting and a government run by you would cost everyone even more money.

        • And who is the only leader who brought up and pledged to revive that fight this election. Do you know who?

        • Weeding out corruption within one's own party does not – or at least should not – require the assistance of the opposition. Obeying the laws of the country should not require constant reminders and reprimands from the opposition or law enforcement. a great many election promises broken by Harper & Co did not require any input from the oposition parties – for example, being open and accountable. Obeying one's own election laws… etc.

          Getting things done that require opposition cooperation isn't terribly hard either, if one is willing. But if one writes 300-page guidelines on how to stonewall committees, cooperation hardly seems a priority. And laws taking a long time to get passed being the fault of the opposition? Sometimes, maybe. But proroguing parliament or calling unnecessary elections (2008 was totally unnecessary, and Harper's doing) forces bills already partway through the process to start over – a waste of time and taxpayers' money.

        • …Pt 2:

          Harper is a master of stalling, blaming others when things don't go right, and taking credit for the work of others when it is to his benefit (see the "best in the world" banking regs he and Flaherty hasd been planning to dismantle before the bottom fell out). Actually accomplishing something? Not so much.

          • He is only excelled by his brain-dead supporters, who I'm not one of any more.

        • Thanks Dawne! I've had my laugh for the day.

          So if "ladies can look after themselves", then I guess you don't need the police either. Too bad, because Harper could really use your support for his enforcement agenda and our move toward a police state.

    • You really don't know anything about how amending our consitution works do you?

    • Since amending the Constitution worked out so well last time. Oh, wait.

    • Read Harper's lips – he has already trashed such an idea as being frivolous & a waste of time.

  7. I truly believe if the Conseratives get a majority we will see some positive changes. Much needed changes ~ One major thing ~ Constitution needs to be revamped and I hope this is something Prime Minister Harper will look at.

  8. Are you kidding me ? We might save $350 Million in an election , but it will cost us BILLIONS for FIGHTER JETS we don't need.

  9. Are you kidding me ? We might save $350 Million in an election , but it will cost us BILLIONS for FIGHTER JETS we don't need.

    • What do you propose we replace our FA-18s with? We cancelled a helicopter contract in 1993 and we STILL don't have the replacements, despite several deadly crashes.

      • Outright cancelling is not a good idea (the chopper cancellation has cost us not just money, but lives), but a proper tendering – something that will at least give us some kind of real sense of cost, rather than the CPC numbers-out-of-a-hat – is desperately needed.

        • Yet the Liberal platform suggests just that. It just hides it under the language that would delay it until its "necessary".

          The ghosts of the EH-101 are cropping up again.

          • Behave yourself
            There are many alternatives and if we look like we are going elsewhere watch the deal get sweeter. That is for starters because the F35 is not the best tool for the job so they should be paying us to take it.

          • Many alternatives??? Since this is the only one the military says does the job and is the one all our NATO partners chose, care to elaborate?
            Also, ask Ignatieff what he would actually do. Not buy any jets as he implies – or simply buy cheaper ones. If it is the later, when will he buy them and how much will he save?

          • This is not the only plane they could use, and it is not well designed for Canada. Super Hornets would be better. Any plane with two engines would be better.

          • the f35 and the f18 super hornets cost the same each has a cost in excess of one hundred million per unit

          • The Super Hornets cost fifty-five to sixty-five million a pop.

      • Maybe we should just forget about the jets, and use the great used submarines the grits bought for us.
        Oh I guess we cant because they're not operational yet.

        • Oh well. We're still using the F 18's that the Liberals bought for us though. To be fair they were bought by the Conservative's hero, Pierre Trudeau, so does that count as a Liberal purchase?

      • The mistake with the EH 101 was to try and cram a multi-use agenda onto onto a single function aircraft and market it to Canadians as an economic development bonanza. EH 101 was designed for ship board dispatch to do submarine detection following a white paper that was out dated before the toner dried.

        The mistakes of the EH 101 are being repeated. We don't have a well defined mission but we are putting all our eggs in the one stealth fighter basket, buying next generation technology for last generation's military objectives.

        Operationally, there needs to be a lot more separation between the people who sell military hardware and defence planning so we aren't painted into corners based on whatever industry is desparate to sell. Politically, we need to change the formula. Conservatives who won't listen + Liberals who make election ultimatums = another vaccum in defence procurement.

      • Harper has 5 years to replace them …did he?

    • Excuse me, but the fighter jets are funded out of the existing military budget … what amazes me is how little the average Canadian understands about military affairs!

      • It's all tax money.

        • Tax money that we wont start spending for 5 years, yet Iggy keeps telling us he will use it now for all the great programs he has in his platform.
          iggy should come clean and simply admit that he will raise our taxes.

          • So how else will we get out of debt?
            Corporations are not contributing and neither are the profiteers.
            So far we have have a spend spend spend Harper gov, but no attention has been paid to who will pay the ferryman.
            Choose "spend and tax" or "spend and..err nothing."

          • he already admitted to being a tax and spend liberal

  10. Nothing has changed under Harper. Corruption is everywhere.

  11. I'm just glad Elizabeth May wasn't there, although she seems like a nice lady, she's irrelevant and would have taken time away from the debaters that matter.

      • You stay classy.

    • I agree. 4 politicians vying for time is enough.

    • Her French sucks which is probably half of why she was excluded

  12. I'm just glad Elizabeth May wasn't there, although she seems like a nice lady, she's irrelevant and would have taken time away from the debaters that matter.

  13. What do you propose we replace our FA-18s with? We cancelled a helicopter contract in 1993 and we STILL don't have the replacements, despite several deadly crashes.

  14. Could be the end of Harper

    • I'd like nothing more, but he acquitted himself quite well – esp. if one isn't that familiar with the issues. Made some genuine points – and lied convincingly when he had to. I just hope media coverage calls him out on the lies.

      • maybe you should take the time and find the truth yourself and not rely on snips from the media

        • Or maybe you should get your information from a source other than the CPC. Case in point re the lying: During the debate, Harper claimed support from the CLC for his budget. The President of the CLC tweeted him to ask that he refrain from misrepresenting the CLC's position.

          I'd have to go back and review the video to get other specific examples (memory fades after a couple of days and I wouldn't want to mix up what was said in the debate vs what was said at other times) but I remember noting a few other "misstatements" and deliberate deflections during the evening.

          • Good run down on the truth / fiction rating for all the candidates here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/r

            I know, the leftist cbc… whatever.

            The CPC claim that we are topping the developed countries' economies is a lie that should be outed by any reputable journalist never mind the opposition parties, yet it never is.

            One from the debate that particularly made me scream at the tv was "the majority of economists" agree that raising taxes (ie rolling back the tax cuts) would cost thousands of jobs. Pure BS.

    • Haha. You wish!

  15. Could be the end of Harper

  16. You really don't know anything about how amending our consitution works do you?

  17. He'll get his majority.

    Unfortunately…. But I like to think about it as a necessary change. It's the CPC's time to shine, and when they mess up, and they will, the Liberals will be there. And so on and so forth.

    • I don't think he will, and I hope he does not. But we will see, come May 2.

  18. He'll get his majority.

    Unfortunately…. But I like to think about it as a necessary change. It's the CPC's time to shine, and when they mess up, and they will, the Liberals will be there. And so on and so forth.

  19. Of course people focus on the gaffes and gosip…it's what every media outlet leads with. We need the media to do a much more resposible job in covering the issues.

    • Watch the posts here and the comments; policy alerts get fewer than 10 comments; stuff about prostitues, fake lakes, etc — that's where people flock to talk.

    • Absolutely correct, especially with online positioning of gaffes and gossip stories and their related photos. Policy stories are very unlikely to be linked to images, and when there are a small headline amongst many, it is less compelling to get to them. On radio or TV, policy ANALYSIS, if any, is well into the broadcast while the gaffes and gossips are the opening stories.

  20. Of course people focus on the gaffes and gosip…it's what every media outlet leads with. We need the media to do a much more resposible job in covering the issues.

  21. Harper will not get a majority, but will get another minority. He is just not progressive enough to attain a majority government. The liberals will gain about 10 to 20 seats in this election, while the NDP will lose a few while the Bloc will gain a few. There will be no real change in Canada's 41st parliment . This is due to the fact that we have no real clear cut leader to vote for. We need a leader who is going to stand up for Canada and capture the hearts of Candian voters. We need another Pierre Trudeau or Brian Mulroney, love 'em or hate 'em, they were were very effecive at becoming elected with a majority in parliment.

  22. Harper will not get a majority, but will get another minority. He is just not progressive enough to attain a majority government. The liberals will gain about 10 to 20 seats in this election, while the NDP will lose a few while the Bloc will gain a few. There will be no real change in Canada's 41st parliment . This is due to the fact that we have no real clear cut leader to vote for. We need a leader who is going to stand up for Canada and capture the hearts of Candian voters. We need another Pierre Trudeau or Brian Mulroney, love 'em or hate 'em, they were were very effecive at becoming elected with a majority in parliment.

  23. If Harper wins a Majority we will see a very big turning point for Canadian history.

    We will look back at the decade that Quebec successfully separated from Canada.

    We will see more homeless people and increases in crime rates.

    Organized Crime will run rampant (why how is that you say?) because the charge for possession of a joint of Marijuana is now the same as 2 pounds. So might as well sell two pounds right? more profit for less risk. and while we're at it, might as well get a hunting license and buy a rifle (make sure it's semi-auto) those are allowed too if we scrap the gun registry! Gotta protect our drug trade, right!

    How about the g20? anyone remember that? Was Stephen Harper even there? He's never addressed in in any media I've read.

    Ok so now that Quebec is gone and the criminals have guns, everyone else might as well get a gun too right?….gotta stay safe right? Especially since Harper will keep allowing cops to run rampant on anyone who disobeys (remember again the G20)! So is they come visit me at my home…be it criminal or cop, I'd best have a gun like they have that make sense right?

    This Harper Run Ideology will make us just like the USA. And If someone can honestly say that the USA justice system is good or if their way of imposing on people's right is acceptable…then comment here. The only reason that the USA still has freedom is because of the protests, the people who fight the power, in both literature, music and in the streets etc

    If Harper gets a majority, you can forget about gay rights, pro choice or immigration…. he will ultimately divide the country and Canada as we know it will cease to exist. The repercussions….??? can anyone say Ronald Regan? or JFK? not that Harper could ever amount to the greatness of JFK…however with every action there is a reaction. and if Harper wins. Canada will lose! and lose dearly….It's a very sad possible reality we may have yet to face.

    • LOL – "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
      Trust me, if even half of what you say comes to pass, we will simply vote them out.

      • HE'd have four years before you could vote him out. Plenty of time — I can't forget his words that we would not recognize Canada if he gets power.

        • Get a valium. Harper does not eat kittens.

        • OH, spare me!! Yes, Harper is going to turn us into …the USA??? NO!!! Please – it would be worse to be Socialist capital of the WEST. Government will pay for everything – can you say Russia? NO, thanks. Give me good Capitalism anyday.

      • Vote him out? Get a grip. If he has a majority all he has to do is change the laws so that he can stay in power as long as he likes. He has already shown disrespect for Parliament and our laws so why should he change now. Why is everyone ignoring the facts. Only when we loose some rights and freedoms will people wake up. Pay attention it is your country.

        • This isn't Egypt – we are a democracy – in case you haven't noticed!

    • What the heck have you been smokin?

    • Don’t forget soldiers with guns in our streets. In Canada.

    • Those are exactly the reasons that I support the CPC!

    • Haha wow Darrrell is not a smart one. The fact he has a + rating on his comment shows how intelligent all the people sitting on their computers reading this garbage are.

    • Are you for real,holy crap you got problems,if you want to talk about what will happen after May 2, how about a libdipbloc coalition in power and Alberta leaving Canada and they won't hange around waiting for more money to stay,they are the ones that make the money,Quebec needs Canada but Alberta doesn't.Pick you poison, liberal dude.

      • Before you go saying that Alberta will separate you should realize that Alberta belongs to Canada and the First Nations population may have a say in that not to mention the hundreds of thousands of eastern Canadians that have built that province and live there (but unlike you, still call back east home). And you call Quebec separtists?

        • If it's OK for Quebec (built by Anglos) to separate, it's OK for Alberta to separate as well.

          • It's not OK for any province to separate.

    • Give me a break! Yes – to you and the other conspiracy nuts – HARPER Is the DEVIL!! To me he is a good leader who cares about "normal" Canadians who want to have good paying jobs (not only in government) so they can take care of their families and pay their bills. Harper will decrease crime by putting criminals in jail for longer sentences – we are not talking about some dope smoking losers here, we are talking about child rapists, murderers and armed robbers. Man – it's people like you who keep us coming back to the polls again and again, only to get the same results.

    • It sound like you are Liberal and NDP fun club…. Haha….if Harper win… too bad for you…..Look what happen at the time former Jean Chretien and Paul Martin – there are both useless too.
      Being a President or Prime Minister there are a lot of things to be done not only a snap of your finger…

  24. If Harper wins a Majority we will see a very big turning point for Canadian history.

    We will look back at the decade that Quebec successfully separated from Canada.

    We will see more homeless people and increases in crime rates.

    Organized Crime will run rampant (why how is that you say?) because the charge for possession of a joint of Marijuana is now the same as 2 pounds. So might as well sell two pounds right? more profit for less risk. and while we're at it, might as well get a hunting license and buy a rifle (make sure it's semi-auto) those are allowed too if we scrap the gun registry! Gotta protect our drug trade, right!

    How about the g20? anyone remember that? Was Stephen Harper even there? He's never addressed in in any media I've read.

    Ok so now that Quebec is gone and the criminals have guns, everyone else might as well get a gun too right?….gotta stay safe right? Especially since Harper will keep allowing cops to run rampant on anyone who disobeys (remember again the G20)! So is they come visit me at my home…be it criminal or cop, I'd best have a gun like they have that make sense right?

    This Harper Run Ideology will make us just like the USA. And If someone can honestly say that the USA justice system is good or if their way of imposing on people's right is acceptable…then comment here. The only reason that the USA still has freedom is because of the protests, the people who fight the power, in both literature, music and in the streets etc

    If Harper gets a majority, you can forget about gay rights, pro choice or immigration…. he will ultimately divide the country and Canada as we know it will cease to exist. The repercussions….??? can anyone say Ronald Regan? or JFK? not that Harper could ever amount to the greatness of JFK…however with every action there is a reaction. and if Harper wins. Canada will lose! and lose dearly….It's a very sad possible reality we may have yet to face.

  25. Outright cancelling is not a good idea (the chopper cancellation has cost us not just money, but lives), but a proper tendering – something that will at least give us some kind of real sense of cost, rather than the CPC numbers-out-of-a-hat – is desperately needed.

  26. Well, thereis Elizabeth May… or if you're lucky, there'll be a Rhino candidate on your ballot!

  27. I'd like nothing more, but he acquitted himself quite well – esp. if one isn't that familiar with the issues. Made some genuine points – and lied convincingly when he had to. I just hope media coverage calls him out on the lies.

  28. If I lived in Quebec and based on the English leaders' debate, I would have no intellectual choice but to vote for the Bloc. Duceppe was great in the points he made and the way he asked appropriate questions — the only leader to do so. Unfortunately, his English was at times difficult to understand.
    The NDP's Layton was pretty good and, from an English voter point of view, probably won.
    Iggy, for all his brains, was lousy.
    And Harper was so smooth in saying nothing that he is less trustworthy than ever.
    In total, except for Duceppe, the debate was zero. Wish Green Party of Canada's Elizabeth May was involved.

    • Sounds like you didn't watch the debate — just listened to the CBC's spin afterwards. Sad.

    • May's French is a joke (probably half of why she was excluded)…

      So I think your comment is overall pretty limited in its perspective regarding how a francophone should vote…

    • So your willing to break up this country, because if all you people get your libdipbloc coalition you can kiss the west good-bye, you know what you people would deserve exactly that.I don't care anymore, you people seem so stupid to know ant better.Canada is doomed and its just a matter of months.

      • What would your poor Mother think of your pro Albertan, anti Canadian rants. You do not own Alberta, Canada owns Alberta like it or not. I bet you never go back east to visit your family because, in your words, " I don't care anymore, you people seem so stupid to know any better.Canada is doomed and its just a matter of months". You're anothing but a separtists/conservative bully.
        We Proud Canadians will be relentless in stopping the "Reckless Conservative Majority!!!

        • Are you clairvoyant? Relax, bud. Soldiers on Canadian streets is just your LIEberal hallucinations.

          • But it's a conservative dream!

  29. If I lived in Quebec and based on the English leaders' debate, I would have no intellectual choice but to vote for the Bloc. Duceppe was great in the points he made and the way he asked appropriate questions — the only leader to do so. Unfortunately, his English was at times difficult to understand.
    The NDP's Layton was pretty good and, from an English voter point of view, probably won.
    Iggy, for all his brains, was lousy.
    And Harper was so smooth in saying nothing that he is less trustworthy than ever.
    In total, except for Duceppe, the debate was zero. Wish Green Party of Canada's Elizabeth May was involved.

  30. Any of the parties might get a majority if it actually chose a leader.

  31. Any of the parties might get a majority if it actually chose a leader.

  32. LOL – "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
    Trust me, if even half of what you say comes to pass, we will simply vote them out.

  33. Probably the best thing that could happen to the Tories is if they went down in defeat. Then they could replace Stephen Harper with someone who appeals to more voters than just party loyalists. Michael Ignatieff will probably be ousted as Liberal party leader if the Liberals do badly at the polls while this is probably Jack Layton's last hurrah. As for Gilles Duseppe, like a boomerang, he keeps coming back, though the Bloc has almost no chance of winning anything. Elizabeth May? She needs another issue besides just the environment.

  34. Probably the best thing that could happen to the Tories is if they went down in defeat. Then they could replace Stephen Harper with someone who appeals to more voters than just party loyalists. Michael Ignatieff will probably be ousted as Liberal party leader if the Liberals do badly at the polls while this is probably Jack Layton's last hurrah. As for Gilles Duseppe, like a boomerang, he keeps coming back, though the Bloc has almost no chance of winning anything. Elizabeth May? She needs another issue besides just the environment.

  35. Excuse me, but the fighter jets are funded out of the existing military budget … what amazes me is how little the average Canadian understands about military affairs!

  36. It's all tax money.

  37. Yet the Liberal platform suggests just that. It just hides it under the language that would delay it until its "necessary".

    The ghosts of the EH-101 are cropping up again.

  38. Maybe we should just forget about the jets, and use the great used submarines the grits bought for us.
    Oh I guess we cant because they're not operational yet.

  39. Tax money that we wont start spending for 5 years, yet Iggy keeps telling us he will use it now for all the great programs he has in his platform.
    iggy should come clean and simply admit that he will raise our taxes.

  40. Haha. You wish!

  41. What astounds me is that a national affairs writer for a national affairs magazine would find it noteworthy that, after several decades of Canada subsidizing the construction of a divide between Canada and Quebec, a sizable division finally appears.
    Equalization, the pouring of billions of dollars into bilingualism and a French language broadcaster, and the funneling of federal vote dollars into a separatist movement have all been the equivalent of giving the separatists bricks, sand, shovels and mortar and then being surprised that they've used it to build a wall.
    Y'know, a friend of mine has a saying- No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. Well, that fits here.

  42. What the heck have you been smokin?

  43. What astounds me is that a national affairs writer for a national affairs magazine would find it noteworthy that, after several decades of Canada subsidizing the construction of a divide between Canada and Quebec, a sizable division finally appears.
    Equalization, the pouring of billions of dollars into bilingualism and a French language broadcaster, and the funneling of federal vote dollars into a separatist movement have all been the equivalent of giving the separatists bricks, sand, shovels and mortar and then being surprised that they've used it to build a wall.
    Y'know, a friend of mine has a saying- No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. Well, that fits here.

  44. It would also have saved the taxpayers all those millions if Harper hadn't prematurely eleculated in 2008.

    Hell, for that matter, it would have saved tens of millions more if the Harper Government hadn't papered Canada with tens of millions of ten percenter mailings in the past five years.

  45. It would also have saved the taxpayers all those millions if Harper hadn't prematurely eleculated in 2008.

    Hell, for that matter, it would have saved tens of millions more if the Harper Government hadn't papered Canada with tens of millions of ten percenter mailings in the past five years.

    • Don't forget all the partisan attack ads payed for with our money.

  46. Behave yourself
    There are many alternatives and if we look like we are going elsewhere watch the deal get sweeter. That is for starters because the F35 is not the best tool for the job so they should be paying us to take it.

  47. So how else will we get out of debt?
    Corporations are not contributing and neither are the profiteers.
    So far we have have a spend spend spend Harper gov, but no attention has been paid to who will pay the ferryman.
    Choose "spend and tax" or "spend and..err nothing."

  48. Canadians are the unwilling enablers of the Separatist "cause"… Thanks Pierre, you POS.

    • ? This makes no sense at all.

  49. Canadians are the unwilling enablers of the Separatist "cause"… Thanks Pierre, you POS.

  50. Oh, oh… Time for the Liberal party media to redouble their efforts in inserting American Iggo and the Separatists into the PMO, by continuing to regurgitate Liberal talking points, downplaying the reality of a Liberal Separatist coalition after they lose the election, and continuing to carpet bomb the Cons with preconceived, pre co-ordinated, totally contrived smear campaigns.

    • Don't forget to blame Ignatieff's low poll ratings to the "ATTACK" ads the mean old Conservatives run. How many even listen to them? The leftist propaganda machines cannot bring themselves to admit, the guy is a loser. Listening to CBC, they did not dare repeat Layton telling Iggy his lack of attendance, does not mean he should be promoted to PM. Typical Liberal entitlement. They were very good at having Iggster, Layton and Duceppe hollering at Mr. Harper. Or should I say "democratically debating" If Harper gave back what he had to take, he would of once again been the big bully.

      • I dont hear any talk about the albertan/separatist or talking about the 50% of the votes Harper missed? I dont hear you talking about the signed, sealed and delivered coalition Harper tried to push through in 2004, I dont hear you talking about what a 'reckless conservative majority' would do to our country. Why, because you are paid republican/conservative trolls and your posts are getting angrier and angrier. I belive Harper must be paying his trolls piece rate and you wont get paid unless he gets a majority. Now, how ignorant can you be when responding to this post. I bet you cant surprise us! On your mark, get set, Go!…

        • Hey, bud, no matter your prolific paid trolling, CONs will get the majority! lol…

          • Typical tory 'accuse them of doing what we do' answer. Of course, why should I expect anything else!

    • What we DO know now from experience is that the piano man from the west is in America's vest pocket. He's sold Canada and Canadians out to the Wall Streeters and the Bilderbergers. And he's played his 'reformers' for the patsy's they are. The only thing he hasn't been able to do, yet, is let little Jimmy and bigmouth Baird and coterie give the patented 'Mike Harris common sense treatment' to the whole country.

  51. Oh, oh… Time for the Liberal party media to redouble their efforts in inserting American Iggo and the Separatists into the PMO, by continuing to regurgitate Liberal talking points, downplaying the reality of a Liberal Separatist coalition after they lose the election, and continuing to carpet bomb the Cons with preconceived, pre co-ordinated, totally contrived smear campaigns.

    • wow. that kinda seems a tad biased now, don't it?

    • LMAO…."QMI", a polling agency owned and operated by the Conservative establishment….next.

    • You get your news from canoe.ca? Really? Why not go over to smalldeadanimals and read it as fact too?

  52. wow. that kinda seems a tad biased now, don't it?

  53. Then you should run.

  54. Since amending the Constitution worked out so well last time. Oh, wait.

  55. LMAO…."QMI", a polling agency owned and operated by the Conservative establishment….next.

  56. "Nothing"? What is wrong with you? Do you do any research or just listen to all the BS accusations Iggy and Layton spew out their mouths and accept them as truth?

  57. Something is a difficult thing to accomplish with a minority government. Anything that was not accomplished in the House of Commons was not accomplished because your libs voted against it. And I’m sorry, but just one example is the endless money that is wasted on that god awful gun registery. It is not the law abiding citizens that register their guns that are shooting up the streets. And all it does is let these thugs know exactly where they can find these guns and I take personal offense to mister Ignatieff saying that women need to be protected and the only way to do that is with a functioning gun registry. All this is doing is costing us money and mister Ignatieff, I do not need the protection of your gun registry, this is not the 1920′s and ladies can look after themselves and are some of the people that enjoy the sport of hunting and a government run by you would cost everyone even more money.

  58. The mistake with the EH 101 was to try and cram a multi-use agenda onto onto a single function aircraft and market it to Canadians as an economic development bonanza. EH 101 was designed for ship board dispatch to do submarine detection following a white paper that was out dated before the toner dried.

    The mistakes of the EH 101 are being repeated. We don't have a well defined mission but we are putting all our eggs in the one stealth fighter basket, buying next generation technology for last generation's military objectives.

    Operationally, there needs to be a lot more separation between the people who sell military hardware and defence planning so we aren't painted into corners based on whatever industry is desparate to sell. Politically, we need to change the formula. Conservatives who won't listen + Liberals who make election ultimatums = another vaccum in defence procurement.

  59. To save $300 million, you prefer 4 years of dictatorship? If you don't value democracy, there are lots of countries out there for you to move to.

  60. To save $300 million, you prefer 4 years of dictatorship? If you don't value democracy, there are lots of countries out there for you to move to.

  61. We should change the system to Proportional Representation. The 1 million votes cast for the Greens will have a voice.
    Then Canadians will get to understand that parties need to work together to govern. The my way or the high way approach adopted by the conservatives is out of sync with modern management.

    • You know, it's only lefties who always ask for PR. That's because it's a proven way for left-wing fringe parties to gain outsized clout in the legislatures. And, typical for lefty causes, it's fundamentally undemocratic. If you have a 100 seat legislature, and your Greens and Dippers get 20% of the vote but win in only one or two districts, which ridings would you propose give up their duly elected representative in order for an appointed apparatchik to take his or her place? If it were you being asked to give up a representative you had voted for in order to fulfil the mandates of proportional representation, how would you react?
      Simply put, PR is a lefty wet dream.

      • Thee are all kinds of models for proportional representation. As there are none actively being pursued in Canada at the moment, you are making some rather fantastical assertions. More right wing fear tactics?

        BTW, this would also open the door for right-wing fringe parties, once the CPC splinters (you know, like when the Albertan separatists decide to get serious and form their version of BQ).

        • Well, at least we have the cash to back up any separatist sentiment. Of course, any separatist sentiment that does exist out here would dry up like a spring slough if we were to dismantle the tremendously unfair construct called "equalization", which costs my wife and I about $11000 per year combined in additional taxes imposed upon us by legislators over whom we have no authority.
          I'd even settle for restrictions on how much input the have-not participants have to the equalization formula. How about a mandate that you have to put money in for any 3 years out of 5 before you're allowed a say at the table?
          Wouldn't that be fair? It's easily as fair as PR. (Of course it's a conservative fair, which is always seen as grossly unfair when compared to socialist fair. Hmmm….)

  62. We should change the system to Proportional Representation. The 1 million votes cast for the Greens will have a voice.
    Then Canadians will get to understand that parties need to work together to govern. The my way or the high way approach adopted by the conservatives is out of sync with modern management.

  63. Harper has 5 years to replace them …did he?

  64. Don’t forget soldiers with guns in our streets. In Canada.

  65. And who is the only leader who brought up and pledged to revive that fight this election. Do you know who?

  66. I don't think he will, and I hope he does not. But we will see, come May 2.

  67. Watch the posts here and the comments; policy alerts get fewer than 10 comments; stuff about prostitues, fake lakes, etc — that's where people flock to talk.

  68. HE'd have four years before you could vote him out. Plenty of time — I can't forget his words that we would not recognize Canada if he gets power.

  69. You get your news from canoe.ca? Really? Why not go over to smalldeadanimals and read it as fact too?

  70. Weeding out corruption within one's own party does not – or at least should not – require the assistance of the opposition. Obeying the laws of the country should not require constant reminders and reprimands from the opposition or law enforcement. a great many election promises broken by Harper & Co did not require any input from the oposition parties – for example, being open and accountable. Obeying one's own election laws… etc.

    Getting things done that require opposition cooperation isn't terribly hard either, if one is willing. But if one writes 300-page guidelines on how to stonewall committees, cooperation hardly seems a priority. And laws taking a long time to get passed being the fault of the opposition? Sometimes, maybe. But proroguing parliament or calling unnecessary elections (2008 was totally unnecessary, and Harper's doing) forces bills already partway through the process to start over – a waste of time and taxpayers' money.

  71. …Pt 2:

    Harper is a master of stalling, blaming others when things don't go right, and taking credit for the work of others when it is to his benefit (see the "best in the world" banking regs he and Flaherty hasd been planning to dismantle before the bottom fell out). Actually accomplishing something? Not so much.

  72. Already happened: see G20.

  73. New QMI poll says Cons. 45%, Libs 21%, story in today's Ottawa Sun. Perhaps an outlier, but I seriously doubt it.

    • QMI= it's seriously an outlier.

      • hope you like humble pie.

    • The Ottawa Sun? Really? The National Inquiry is more truthful.

  74. New QMI poll says Cons. 45%, Libs 21%, story in today's Ottawa Sun. Perhaps an outlier, but I seriously doubt it.

  75. Jack won the debates for me, no other leader can touch Jack as an average Joe Canadian you can TRUST.

    I was considering voting Liberal, but when Jack mentioned the Liberal leaders lack of attendance it really hit a nerve for me, as I've always thought to myself that I just cant picture Iggy sitting their in opposition after he looses the leadership?, I think he'll be long gone back to his American home.

    • Dumbest thing the Libs did in a half-century putting Iggy in as leader.

      Those 'headhunters' who went to fetch him out o' the Land o' Goshen, must have been angling for a senate appontment. I hope Harper considered them.

      The BEST thing that could come out of this turn round in another minority and the Liberals having a leadership review.

      • Best thing that can come out of this election is for harper to lose!

        • Unattainabale dream…

    • You were considering voting Liberal but now you're solidly NDP. I'd change my handle if I were you ABHarperRegime before making such a claim.

      BTW, although Ignatieff's voting attendance number is bad, Jack exaggerated the number almost double in the debate – a cagey trick but not particularly admirable. And Harper's attendance is almost as bad – he missed almost half the votes. The only ones who regularly attended votes in the 40th Parliament were Gilles and Jack. Scoring points with nothing to lose.

    • Except Jack wants to stop the development of the oilsands – which would destroy our economy. Not just Albertas and Saskatchewan – but all of Canada. Many people from all over Canada come to work in our industry and send the money back home to their families. Jack will never be leader of this country – he is too socialist.

  76. Dictatorship with minority!

    Majority?! LOL! can you imagine the Harper regime with a majority government?! SCARY!.

    • Still trying for the Scary Harper lines. Sad really that is all you have to say. Good luck with Jack as PM. Of course what he says sounds good – after all who doesn't like Robin Hood. Take from the rich (big bad banks and oil companies) and give to the poor. The problem is attacking the companies that give us tax revenue and jobs is never a good idea in the long run.

      • I wonder what your comments will be when the tar sands run out or are replaced with clean energy?

        • Oilsands will last for a thousand years.

          • Not without water that will be deemed to valuable to use for making dirty oil and not when other 'advanced' countries develope and turn to green energy.

  77. ? This makes no sense at all.

  78. Substitute any of the party names interchangeably in that rant and it would still describe electoral politics. Don't feel hard done by as a Conservative supporter.

  79. QMI= it's seriously an outlier.

  80. I agree. 4 politicians vying for time is enough.

  81. hope you like humble pie.

  82. 350 million for the election and billions more to pay off the NDP and Bloc for their support of Ignatieff as PM.

  83. Many alternatives??? Since this is the only one the military says does the job and is the one all our NATO partners chose, care to elaborate?
    Also, ask Ignatieff what he would actually do. Not buy any jets as he implies – or simply buy cheaper ones. If it is the later, when will he buy them and how much will he save?

  84. Still trying for the Scary Harper lines. Sad really that is all you have to say. Good luck with Jack as PM. Of course what he says sounds good – after all who doesn't like Robin Hood. Take from the rich (big bad banks and oil companies) and give to the poor. The problem is attacking the companies that give us tax revenue and jobs is never a good idea in the long run.

  85. This is not the only plane they could use, and it is not well designed for Canada. Super Hornets would be better. Any plane with two engines would be better.

  86. Don't forget to blame Ignatieff's low poll ratings to the "ATTACK" ads the mean old Conservatives run. How many even listen to them? The leftist propaganda machines cannot bring themselves to admit, the guy is a loser. Listening to CBC, they did not dare repeat Layton telling Iggy his lack of attendance, does not mean he should be promoted to PM. Typical Liberal entitlement. They were very good at having Iggster, Layton and Duceppe hollering at Mr. Harper. Or should I say "democratically debating" If Harper gave back what he had to take, he would of once again been the big bully.

  87. Type slowly, it is hard to get that through a socialist's head.

  88. Oh great we'll accomplish more spending and the TOTAL rather than partial annihilation of Canada's political Right. And we''ll spend billions doing it!

  89. Oh great we'll accomplish more spending and the TOTAL rather than partial annihilation of Canada's political Right. And we''ll spend billions doing it!

  90. He is only excelled by his brain-dead supporters, who I'm not one of any more.

  91. I can certainly trust him to screw up Canada even more than it already is.

  92. Don't forget all the partisan attack ads payed for with our money.

  93. we are stagnating politically. 5 years minority is enough. we are facing two choices, another minority or a majority. at this point the Conservatives are closest to forming a majority. Give it to them with enough rope to hang themselves. If we have made a mistake we can correct it. to repeat the last 5 years will not take this country forward.

    • If we're stagnating it's because 'the Leader' ain't. Running off to the Governor General rather than go 'democratic'. What a putz.

      Nor is he a stateman. Letting the US president get his name wrong and walking right by the Premier of China. He serves Canada well – off to the side of the G8 and G20 photos. For a guy who got his ass kicked getting back the money we were owed for lumber tariffs, he do sing a mean beatles tune. But then so do I.

      We almost deserve five more years of 'Harper government'. If it wasn't for my grandkids having to pay for the stupidity I'd be having a hoot.

      • Thats the new conservative/republican talking point "Really Canada, do you want to go through these pesky elections? Give us a chance and if you dont like us you can just vote us out". Stop The Reckless Conservative Majority before it's too late! Vote them out now!

        • Take a valium, I told you…lol

          • Good answer! Another conservative/reublican suggestion to Canadians concerned about the future of our country, take drugs!

        • Sadly, the 'Harper Government' would have to assault a brownie in front of a platoon of Mounties to not retain a 'mandate' to govern. Even then, it couldn't be much worse than the 'trying' circumstances under which he's had to reign these past 5 years or so.

          I'd love to see him dumped, but too many 'small' Canadians seem to afraid of having 'theirs' given to 'somebody else' by liberal do-gooders. It's a mean and nasty time, made meaner and nastier by the spin-doctoring denizens of the PMO.

          Vote, and hope for the best.

  94. we are stagnating politically. 5 years minority is enough. we are facing two choices, another minority or a majority. at this point the Conservatives are closest to forming a majority. Give it to them with enough rope to hang themselves. If we have made a mistake we can correct it. to repeat the last 5 years will not take this country forward.

  95. You fail to understand that, WE WOULD HAVE AN ELECTION NEXT YEAR ANYWAY. What is one year difference??

  96. You fail to understand that, WE WOULD HAVE AN ELECTION NEXT YEAR ANYWAY. What is one year difference??

  97. Sounds like you didn't watch the debate — just listened to the CBC's spin afterwards. Sad.

  98. Those are exactly the reasons that I support the CPC!

  99. There is only one thing about the outcome of the May 2nd election on which Mr. Ignatieff and Mr. Harper agree. It is that one of them will be the Prime Minister of Canada. Mr. Layton, Mr. Duceppe and Ms. May are not in the running to form a government. They can’t. It will be either Mr. Ignatieff or Mr. Harper. That is the choice, and it is a very clear – in fact, stark choice. We will choose between openness or secrecy. Between listening or refusing to listen. Between someone who respects Parliament or someone who disdains it. Between things we can and will do now or things that, (provided of course that everything goes well), we might do in five or six years. Between someone who answers all questions from Canadians, or someone who won’t accept any. Between Mr. Harper who said “It’s past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act”, or Mr. Ignatieff who said “ . . . we don’t want user fees. We want universal, accessible, free-at-the-point-of-service health care, paid out of general revenue. That’s just bottom line. Otherwise we get two-tiered”. Between buying jets or helping vets. Between real early childhood learning and care or Saturday-night babysitting. Between respect for our great institutions or contempt for them. Between helping families or helping big corporations. Between the Canada that we think we have, or the way in which Mr. Harper has already changed it. Over the past few years Mr. Harper’s government has quietly engineered so many changes that there are some ways in which our country is barely recognizable. Many of us don’t yet realize the extent of those changes, because many of them have been brought about very carefully and gradually – almost imperceptibly in some cases. This is diabolically clever. If these things had all been done at once, there would have been loud protests and reactions. But moving just one little brick at a time doesn’t cause much fuss – until you realize that the whole house has been renovated. And we’ve hardly noticed. These are changes that are at the very heart of who and what Canadians are. They are changes to the protections that used to exist against the tyranny of the majority – or against a single-minded my-way-or-the-highway autocrat. These changes are losses to our very Canadian-ness. Let me remind you of some of them: The Law Commission of Canada was created by an Act of Parliament in 1997. It worked very well. It kept an eye in a sort-of avuncular way, on necessary reforms of the law, including election law. The Commission couldn’t actually change law; but it was very good at letting governments and everybody else know when changes needed to be made and why. It was our legal Jiminy Cricket, and it performed a valuable service for Canada. The Commission was created by an Act of Parliament, and any government wanting to shut it down should have been up-front about it. It should have come to Parliament with a Bill to rescind The Law Commission of Canada Act. That’s what any of our 21 previous Prime Ministers would have done. But to Mr. Harper, Parliament is an inconvenience. Somebody might ask “Why are you doing this?” But he didn’t want to go through all that Parliamentary trouble; so, rather than proposing the abolition of the Commission (a proposal about which there would have been pretty fierce debate on all sides), they just eliminated all funding for it in the federal budget. Governments can do that. Poof – no Law Commission. Nice and quiet. Just one little brick. Hardly noticed. Then there was the Court Challenges Programme, set up in 1994, which was the means by which a bit of legal help could be provided to a private individual or small organization who didn’t have a lot of money, and who was taking on, or being taken on by, the Government of Canada. It leveled the legal playing field a bit. It was a perfect example of fundamental Canadian fairness. By convincing a tough panel of judges of the reasonableness of your cause, you could get a little help in paying for some lawyers to go up against the phalanx of legal beagles that could always, and forever, and at public expense, be brought to bear against you by the State. In other words, if you weren’t rich, and if you were taking on or being taken on by the Feds, you might have had a chance. But Mr. Harper doesn’t like being questioned, let alone challenged. It’s so inconvenient! Solution? Quietly announce that the Court Challenges Programme is being, er, discontinued. Poof – no Court Challenges Programme – no court challenges. Hardly noticed. The Coordination of Access to Information Request System (CAIRS) was created (by a Progressive-Conservative government) in 1989 so that departments of government could harmonize their responses to access-to-information requests that might need multi-departmental responses. It was efficient; it made sure that in most cases the left hand knew what the right hand was doing, or at least what they were saying; and it helped keep government open and accountable. Well, if you’re running a closed-door government, that’s not a good idea, is it? So, as a Treasury Board official explained to the Canadian Press, CAIRS was killed by the Harper government because “extensive” consultations showed it wasn’t valued by government departments. I guess that means that the extensive consultations were all with government departments. Wait! Wasn’t there anybody else with whom to extensively consult? Wasn’t there some other purpose and use for CAIRS? Didn’t it have something to do with openness and accountability? I guess not. Robert Makichuk, speaking for Mr. Harper’s government, explained that “valuable resources currently being used to maintain CAIRS would be better used in the collection and analysis of improved statistical reporting”. Right. In other words, CAIRS was an inconvenience to the government. So poof – it’s disappeared. And, except for investigative reporters and other people who might (horrors!) ask questions, its loss is hardly noticed. And the bridge too far for me: Cutting the already-utterly-inadequate funding for the exposure of Canadian art and artists in other countries. That funding was, by any comparison, already laughably miniscule. Mr. Harper says that “ordinary” Canadians don’t support the arts. He’s wrong. And his is now the only government of any significant country in the world that clearly just doesn’t get it. All these changes were done quietly, cleverly, and under the radar. No fuss. No outcry. Just one little brick at a time. But in these and other ways, our Canadian house is no longer the kind of place it once was. Nobody minds good renovations. Nobody even minds tearing something down, as long as we put up something better in its place. That’s not what has happened. Mr. Harper fired the head of the Canadian Wheat Board because he was doing his job properly. He removed the head of the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission because she wanted to make sure that the Chalk River nuclear reactor was safe. Hardly noticed. There are many more things that were hardly noticed: Cuts to funding for the Status of Women, Adult Learning and Literacy, Environmental Programs, museums funding, and more. All quietly, just one brick at a time. Hardly noticed. As to campaign promises, everybody in sight on every side is guilty of breaking those. Except the Federal NDP of course, who haven’t yet had the opportunity. (It’s very easy to make promises that you know you will not likely have to keep). But the government promised to end wait times in health care. They didn’t. They promised to end, once and for all, the whining of some provinces about the non-existent “fiscal imbalance”. They didn’t. They said they had brought final resolution to the softwood lumber problem with the U.S. They haven’t. They promised to create thousands of new child-care spaces in Canada. They haven’t. They promised not to tax income trusts (“We will NEVER do that!” they said). They taxed them. They promised to lower your income tax. They raised it. They said they had a good “made-in-Canada” plan to meet our obligations on climate change. They don’t. Mr. Harper has said plainly that whatever the Americans do is what we’ll do too. They campaign on a platform of transparency and accountability; but they’re now trying to discredit the Parliamentary Budget Officer that they created, because he’s trying to do the job that they gave him. Mr. Harper said that our form of government, evolved over centuries from the 900-year-old British Westminster tradition, was all wrong. We had to have fixed election dates, because otherwise, democratic principles would be trampled. ”Fixed election dates”, he said, “stop leaders from trying to manipulate the calendar. They level the playing field for all parties”. So Parliament (remember them?) at Mr. Harper’s insistence, passed a law requiring fixed election dates, which Mr. Harper promptly broke. Somebody once said that we get the kind of government we deserve. What did we do to deserve Mr. Harper? He once said that we should all “Stand Up for Canada”. Well, let’s do that. We just have to decide whether the present version of Canada is the one that we’ll stand up for. Or stand for. Thank you Tommy Banks (an Alberta Senator.)
    By: Faisel Syed

    • So, after 30-some years out of the country, Ignatieff comes back to take a shot at this Prime Minister thing. How hard can it be? After all, he is a Harvard educated academic. So, he has two choices. One is to join a party actually at the leading edge of the public mood (smaller and less intrusive government, greater individual liberty, etc), or one whose recent record includes a large-scale criminal racketeering scheme whose sole purpose was to defraud the public treasury.
      Guess which one he chooses? Hmmm…

      • “smaller and less intrusive government, greater individual liberty”

        Which party are you referring too? It certainly can’t be the C.R.A.P. (Cons, Reform, Alliance Parties) Coalition lead by Stephen Harper.

    • In other words "Stop the Reckless Conservative Majority" I'm with you on that!

    • In reply to the gentleman that thinks the Liberals are against corporate tax cuts. You aren’t paying attention. It was the Liberals that helped the Conservatives bring in the corporate tax cuts. It was in the English leadership debate. Layton pointed out that Ignatieff supported corporate tax cuts in Parliment. Ignatieff had nothing to say

  100. There is only one thing about the outcome of the May 2nd election on which Mr. Ignatieff and Mr. Harper agree. It is that one of them will be the Prime Minister of Canada. Mr. Layton, Mr. Duceppe and Ms. May are not in the running to form a government. They can’t. It will be either Mr. Ignatieff or Mr. Harper. That is the choice, and it is a very clear – in fact, stark choice. We will choose between openness or secrecy. Between listening or refusing to listen. Between someone who respects Parliament or someone who disdains it. Between things we can and will do now or things that, (provided of course that everything goes well), we might do in five or six years. Between someone who answers all questions from Canadians, or someone who won’t accept any. Between Mr. Harper who said “It’s past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act”, or Mr. Ignatieff who said “ . . . we don’t want user fees. We want universal, accessible, free-at-the-point-of-service health care, paid out of general revenue. That’s just bottom line. Otherwise we get two-tiered”. Between buying jets or helping vets. Between real early childhood learning and care or Saturday-night babysitting. Between respect for our great institutions or contempt for them. Between helping families or helping big corporations. Between the Canada that we think we have, or the way in which Mr. Harper has already changed it. Over the past few years Mr. Harper’s government has quietly engineered so many changes that there are some ways in which our country is barely recognizable. Many of us don’t yet realize the extent of those changes, because many of them have been brought about very carefully and gradually – almost imperceptibly in some cases. This is diabolically clever. If these things had all been done at once, there would have been loud protests and reactions. But moving just one little brick at a time doesn’t cause much fuss – until you realize that the whole house has been renovated. And we’ve hardly noticed. These are changes that are at the very heart of who and what Canadians are. They are changes to the protections that used to exist against the tyranny of the majority – or against a single-minded my-way-or-the-highway autocrat. These changes are losses to our very Canadian-ness. Let me remind you of some of them: The Law Commission of Canada was created by an Act of Parliament in 1997. It worked very well. It kept an eye in a sort-of avuncular way, on necessary reforms of the law, including election law. The Commission couldn’t actually change law; but it was very good at letting governments and everybody else know when changes needed to be made and why. It was our legal Jiminy Cricket, and it performed a valuable service for Canada. The Commission was created by an Act of Parliament, and any government wanting to shut it down should have been up-front about it. It should have come to Parliament with a Bill to rescind The Law Commission of Canada Act. That’s what any of our 21 previous Prime Ministers would have done. But to Mr. Harper, Parliament is an inconvenience. Somebody might ask “Why are you doing this?” But he didn’t want to go through all that Parliamentary trouble; so, rather than proposing the abolition of the Commission (a proposal about which there would have been pretty fierce debate on all sides), they just eliminated all funding for it in the federal budget. Governments can do that. Poof – no Law Commission. Nice and quiet. Just one little brick. Hardly noticed. Then there was the Court Challenges Programme, set up in 1994, which was the means by which a bit of legal help could be provided to a private individual or small organization who didn’t have a lot of money, and who was taking on, or being taken on by, the Government of Canada. It leveled the legal playing field a bit. It was a perfect example of fundamental Canadian fairness. By convincing a tough panel of judges of the reasonableness of your cause, you could get a little help in paying for some lawyers to go up against the phalanx of legal beagles that could always, and forever, and at public expense, be brought to bear against you by the State. In other words, if you weren’t rich, and if you were taking on or being taken on by the Feds, you might have had a chance. But Mr. Harper doesn’t like being questioned, let alone challenged. It’s so inconvenient! Solution? Quietly announce that the Court Challenges Programme is being, er, discontinued. Poof – no Court Challenges Programme – no court challenges. Hardly noticed. The Coordination of Access to Information Request System (CAIRS) was created (by a Progressive-Conservative government) in 1989 so that departments of government could harmonize their responses to access-to-information requests that might need multi-departmental responses. It was efficient; it made sure that in most cases the left hand knew what the right hand was doing, or at least what they were saying; and it helped keep government open and accountable. Well, if you’re running a closed-door government, that’s not a good idea, is it? So, as a Treasury Board official explained to the Canadian Press, CAIRS was killed by the Harper government because “extensive” consultations showed it wasn’t valued by government departments. I guess that means that the extensive consultations were all with government departments. Wait! Wasn’t there anybody else with whom to extensively consult? Wasn’t there some other purpose and use for CAIRS? Didn’t it have something to do with openness and accountability? I guess not. Robert Makichuk, speaking for Mr. Harper’s government, explained that “valuable resources currently being used to maintain CAIRS would be better used in the collection and analysis of improved statistical reporting”. Right. In other words, CAIRS was an inconvenience to the government. So poof – it’s disappeared. And, except for investigative reporters and other people who might (horrors!) ask questions, its loss is hardly noticed. And the bridge too far for me: Cutting the already-utterly-inadequate funding for the exposure of Canadian art and artists in other countries. That funding was, by any comparison, already laughably miniscule. Mr. Harper says that “ordinary” Canadians don’t support the arts. He’s wrong. And his is now the only government of any significant country in the world that clearly just doesn’t get it. All these changes were done quietly, cleverly, and under the radar. No fuss. No outcry. Just one little brick at a time. But in these and other ways, our Canadian house is no longer the kind of place it once was. Nobody minds good renovations. Nobody even minds tearing something down, as long as we put up something better in its place. That’s not what has happened. Mr. Harper fired the head of the Canadian Wheat Board because he was doing his job properly. He removed the head of the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission because she wanted to make sure that the Chalk River nuclear reactor was safe. Hardly noticed. There are many more things that were hardly noticed: Cuts to funding for the Status of Women, Adult Learning and Literacy, Environmental Programs, museums funding, and more. All quietly, just one brick at a time. Hardly noticed. As to campaign promises, everybody in sight on every side is guilty of breaking those. Except the Federal NDP of course, who haven’t yet had the opportunity. (It’s very easy to make promises that you know you will not likely have to keep). But the government promised to end wait times in health care. They didn’t. They promised to end, once and for all, the whining of some provinces about the non-existent “fiscal imbalance”. They didn’t. They said they had brought final resolution to the softwood lumber problem with the U.S. They haven’t. They promised to create thousands of new child-care spaces in Canada. They haven’t. They promised not to tax income trusts (“We will NEVER do that!” they said). They taxed them. They promised to lower your income tax. They raised it. They said they had a good “made-in-Canada” plan to meet our obligations on climate change. They don’t. Mr. Harper has said plainly that whatever the Americans do is what we’ll do too. They campaign on a platform of transparency and accountability; but they’re now trying to discredit the Parliamentary Budget Officer that they created, because he’s trying to do the job that they gave him. Mr. Harper said that our form of government, evolved over centuries from the 900-year-old British Westminster tradition, was all wrong. We had to have fixed election dates, because otherwise, democratic principles would be trampled. ”Fixed election dates”, he said, “stop leaders from trying to manipulate the calendar. They level the playing field for all parties”. So Parliament (remember them?) at Mr. Harper’s insistence, passed a law requiring fixed election dates, which Mr. Harper promptly broke. Somebody once said that we get the kind of government we deserve. What did we do to deserve Mr. Harper? He once said that we should all “Stand Up for Canada”. Well, let’s do that. We just have to decide whether the present version of Canada is the one that we’ll stand up for. Or stand for. Thank you Tommy Banks (an Alberta Senator.)

    By: Faisel Syed

  101. You know, it's only lefties who always ask for PR. That's because it's a proven way for left-wing fringe parties to gain outsized clout in the legislatures. And, typical for lefty causes, it's fundamentally undemocratic. If you have a 100 seat legislature, and your Greens and Dippers get 20% of the vote but win in only one or two districts, which ridings would you propose give up their duly elected representative in order for an appointed apparatchik to take his or her place? If it were you being asked to give up a representative you had voted for in order to fulfil the mandates of proportional representation, how would you react?
    Simply put, PR is a lefty wet dream.

  102. So, after 30-some years out of the country, Ignatieff comes back to take a shot at this Prime Minister thing. How hard can it be? After all, he is a Harvard educated academic. So, he has two choices. One is to join a party actually at the leading edge of the public mood (smaller and less intrusive government, greater individual liberty, etc), or one whose recent record includes a large-scale criminal racketeering scheme whose sole purpose was to defraud the public treasury.
    Guess which one he chooses? Hmmm…

  103. Wow Faisel
    I was too scared to even attempt to read that post.

  104. Wow Faisel
    I was too scared to even attempt to read that post.

  105. “smaller and less intrusive government, greater individual liberty”

    Which party are you referring too? It certainly can’t be the C.R.A.P. (Cons, Reform, Alliance Parties) Coalition lead by Stephen Harper.

  106. One wonders how long western countries will last considering the huge divide (and growing) between the left and the right. I would far rather see the country split up than be 'ruled' by a bunch of parasitic lefties. The States looks like it is in the same position. Oh well, I guess nothing lasts forever. Too bad Trudeau showed up and started the downward slide.

    • See, it's attitudes like yours that are causing the rift to begin with; absolutely no room for compromise. I know you're not from Quebec, so I'm guessing Albertan…

      • hey I am from Alberta – let's be nice.

        I do agree with the 'rift' that appears to be forming. Both sides seem to be set in their ways, unable to compromise. I wonder if that is why the Liberal party is struggling so much – there are less and less middle of the row voters.

        Could this mean we are doomed to minorities forever? Contrary to what some people believe, I don't think minority gov't are good for the country.

        Whether or not we compromise, I think that we all need to treat each other with respect. I have seen too many posts on this website that are vile, insulting, and ignorant. It is getting tedious. Most people don't use facts, (most use their opinion, spoken like a fact) and figure they can ridicule people who disagree with them until they shut up.

        There used to be a guy who had some incredibly thoughtful posts, but he left because of the environment of this site. It was sad to see him go.

        • Hey Modster,

          Sorry if I offended you there; it's just that since this election started there have been a lot of posts from the west – most from Alta – that have threatened separation if anyone other than the CPC wins. I don't know if they are serious or if it's just a bunch of CPC trolls trying to scare Liberal supporters, but threatening and bullying always get my back up.

          The real irony is that many of them are in the same breath complaining about Quebec separatists – not seeing that they are mirroring the very behaviour they hate in others.

          It just drives me nuts, and I wish they'd grow up.

    • The real right wing agenda is to split up the country? The Alberta fire wall Harper built is taking shape. Only trouble is that it is built with tar sand and when thats gone, your wall will crumble.

  107. One wonders how long western countries will last considering the huge divide (and growing) between the left and the right. I would far rather see the country split up than be 'ruled' by a bunch of parasitic lefties. The States looks like it is in the same position. Oh well, I guess nothing lasts forever. Too bad Trudeau showed up and started the downward slide.

  108. maybe you should take the time and find the truth yourself and not rely on snips from the media

  109. Hey did you loss your job with a goverment agency or what

  110. Thanks Dawne! I've had my laugh for the day.

    So if "ladies can look after themselves", then I guess you don't need the police either. Too bad, because Harper could really use your support for his enforcement agenda and our move toward a police state.

  111. The problem with the Greedy, Selfish Righties is they don’t understand the Christan principle of helping the weak and the poor. Eventually they will rise up and revolt, like the French did a couple of hundred yrs ago. Also, any Real Man isn’t going to watch his family starve to death in a cardboard box, he will turn to Crime, so be prepared to live in Gated/Guarded communities and pay to house all these criminals, but they’re already preparing for that eventuality with all the new proposed prisons.

  112. The problem with the Greedy, Selfish Righties is they don’t understand the Christan principle of helping the weak and the poor. Eventually they will rise up and revolt, like the French did a couple of hundred yrs ago. Also, any Real Man isn’t going to watch his family starve to death in a cardboard box, he will turn to Crime, so be prepared to live in Gated/Guarded communities and pay to house all these criminals, but they’re already preparing for that eventuality with all the new proposed prisons.

  113. I’ve been expecting the U.S. to break out in Civil War/Revolution for a few years now. I can’t believe how spineless they are. They should be out on the streets by the millions with their pitchforks and torches and enough rope to Hang from the streetlights many of these people that stole all their money and the Politicans that allowed it to happen.

  114. I’ve been expecting the U.S. to break out in Civil War/Revolution for a few years now. I can’t believe how spineless they are. They should be out on the streets by the millions with their pitchforks and torches and enough rope to Hang from the streetlights many of these people that stole all their money and the Politicans that allowed it to happen.

  115. I use to think that way…Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Fittest, Every Man for Himself….But I seen the Light.

    I’d rather my taxes go to Educate someone, get them a Job, and have them pay taxes and be a contributing member of Society.

    Or the alternative is to pay to imprison them at a cost of $50,000. – $100,000./yr. Of course you could try to Execute them all. But Good Luck trying to get away with that for very long.

  116. I use to think that way…Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Fittest, Every Man for Himself….But I seen the Light.
    I’d rather my taxes go to Educate someone, get them a Job, and have them pay taxes and be a contributing member of Society.
    Or the alternative is to pay to imprison them at a cost of $50,000. – $100,000./yr. Of course you could try to Execute them all. But Good Luck trying to get away with that for very long.

  117. Or maybe you should get your information from a source other than the CPC. Case in point re the lying: During the debate, Harper claimed support from the CLC for his budget. The President of the CLC tweeted him to ask that he refrain from misrepresenting the CLC's position.

    I'd have to go back and review the video to get other specific examples (memory fades after a couple of days and I wouldn't want to mix up what was said in the debate vs what was said at other times) but I remember noting a few other "misstatements" and deliberate deflections during the evening.

  118. Thee are all kinds of models for proportional representation. As there are none actively being pursued in Canada at the moment, you are making some rather fantastical assertions. More right wing fear tactics?

    BTW, this would also open the door for right-wing fringe parties, once the CPC splinters (you know, like when the Albertan separatists decide to get serious and form their version of BQ).

  119. Her French sucks which is probably half of why she was excluded

  120. I know!

    What I can't figure out is how people are able to post anything that long; I'd have been forced by the submission tool to chop something like that into five or six posts. How do people get around that restriction?

  121. May's French is a joke (probably half of why she was excluded)…

    So I think your comment is overall pretty limited in its perspective regarding how a francophone should vote…

  122. See, it's attitudes like yours that are causing the rift to begin with; absolutely no room for compromise. I know you're not from Quebec, so I'm guessing Albertan…

  123. Now let's see – this election cost is but 1/3 of what Harper spent on the G20 fiasco. Who indeed played politics with money – Harper purely and simply.

  124. Totally agree – I am sick of these politicians being so selfish – pick me pick me — let' s quit spending our money needlessly

  125. Now let's see – this election cost is but 1/3 of what Harper spent on the G20 fiasco. Who indeed played politics with money – Harper purely and simply.

  126. Totally agree – I am sick of these politicians being so selfish – pick me pick me — let' s quit spending our money needlessly

    • I wouldn't vote for a man I can't even talk myself into trying to trust. Layton, Iggy, and Duceppe I would at least consider. I'd consider a dead dog on a stick before I would support Harper's bunch. Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice, shame on me. Lie to me over and over and over again- bring on the dead dog!

  127. Read Harper's lips – he has already trashed such an idea as being frivolous & a waste of time.

  128. I wouldn't vote for a man I can't even talk myself into trying to trust. Layton, Iggy, and Duceppe I would at least consider. I'd consider a dead dog on a stick before I would support Harper's bunch. Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice, shame on me. Lie to me over and over and over again- bring on the dead dog!

  129. Only to make himself King.

  130. Haha wow Darrrell is not a smart one. The fact he has a + rating on his comment shows how intelligent all the people sitting on their computers reading this garbage are.

  131. Are you for real,holy crap you got problems,if you want to talk about what will happen after May 2, how about a libdipbloc coalition in power and Alberta leaving Canada and they won't hange around waiting for more money to stay,they are the ones that make the money,Quebec needs Canada but Alberta doesn't.Pick you poison, liberal dude.

  132. Canada's faith hanges in the balance,if Harper doesn't form a majority goverment there is no dought that iggy,jack & jill will try to form goverment which will lead to instability and a clear split down the middle of the country.Albertans and other western Canadians cannot be blamed for thinking eastern Canadians care more about shoveling money from the west into Qubec, than they do about the west itself.I don't see how this country can survive a coalition goverment with no mp's west of Ontario.All voters in this country need to really consider what their votes will mean for Canada,if you care at all about this great land of ours you may have to vote for someone you may not like all that much. The way i look at this is the west put up with 12 years of liberal rule even though they didn't vote liberal, The rest of the country seems quite prepared to give the west the finger and allow not only liberals/ndp but the very party bent on Canada'a destruction.If Ontario voters give Alberta no choice they will pull the plug.

  133. Canada's faith hanges in the balance,if Harper doesn't form a majority goverment there is no dought that iggy,jack & jill will try to form goverment which will lead to instability and a clear split down the middle of the country.Albertans and other western Canadians cannot be blamed for thinking eastern Canadians care more about shoveling money from the west into Qubec, than they do about the west itself.I don't see how this country can survive a coalition goverment with no mp's west of Ontario.All voters in this country need to really consider what their votes will mean for Canada,if you care at all about this great land of ours you may have to vote for someone you may not like all that much. The way i look at this is the west put up with 12 years of liberal rule even though they didn't vote liberal, The rest of the country seems quite prepared to give the west the finger and allow not only liberals/ndp but the very party bent on Canada'a destruction.If Ontario voters give Alberta no choice they will pull the plug.

    • Are you calling for a Civil War??

      I’m willing to Die for my Country. Are you willing to Die to destroy it?

    • I just love you "take-my-ball-and-go-home" types. Harper typifies the attitude in Western Canada (excuse me, Harperland). But it's the exact same behaviour you all decry when it comes from Quebec.

      What a mature bunch!

      • 70% of us are putting up with 5 years of Harper who we didn't vote for. Listen bud, you dont like Canada, want to separate, libia is looking for some citizens!

        • Did you mean to reply to me, or PB Xpat? Because, if you actually read what I wrote, you'd see we're on the same side…

  134. So your willing to break up this country, because if all you people get your libdipbloc coalition you can kiss the west good-bye, you know what you people would deserve exactly that.I don't care anymore, you people seem so stupid to know ant better.Canada is doomed and its just a matter of months.

  135. Are you calling for a Civil War??

    I’m willing to Die for my Country. Are you willing to Die to destroy it?

  136. What we DO know now from experience is that the piano man from the west is in America's vest pocket. He's sold Canada and Canadians out to the Wall Streeters and the Bilderbergers. And he's played his 'reformers' for the patsy's they are. The only thing he hasn't been able to do, yet, is let little Jimmy and bigmouth Baird and coterie give the patented 'Mike Harris common sense treatment' to the whole country.

  137. Dumbest thing the Libs did in a half-century putting Iggy in as leader.

    Those 'headhunters' who went to fetch him out o' the Land o' Goshen, must have been angling for a senate appontment. I hope Harper considered them.

    The BEST thing that could come out of this turn round in another minority and the Liberals having a leadership review.

  138. If we're stagnating it's because 'the Leader' ain't. Running off to the Governor General rather than go 'democratic'. What a putz.

    Nor is he a stateman. Letting the US president get his name wrong and walking right by the Premier of China. He serves Canada well – off to the side of the G8 and G20 photos. For a guy who got his ass kicked getting back the money we were owed for lumber tariffs, he do sing a mean beatles tune. But then so do I.

    We almost deserve five more years of 'Harper government'. If it wasn't for my grandkids having to pay for the stupidity I'd be having a hoot.

  139. If the amount of Tory bashing (thumbs down) is any indicator, the 'Harper Government' could be in for a surprise. But then all those Tories like to tell themselves that they're still at work, not like the Lib's, unemployed, and most of them are linguistically challenged anyway.

  140. If the amount of Tory bashing (thumbs down) is any indicator, the 'Harper Government' could be in for a surprise. But then all those Tories like to tell themselves that they're still at work, not like the Lib's, unemployed, and most of them are linguistically challenged anyway.

  141. seperatist=terrorist ; p

  142. Before you go saying that Alberta will separate you should realize that Alberta belongs to Canada and the First Nations population may have a say in that not to mention the hundreds of thousands of eastern Canadians that have built that province and live there (but unlike you, still call back east home). And you call Quebec separtists?

  143. What would your poor Mother think of your pro Albertan, anti Canadian rants. You do not own Alberta, Canada owns Alberta like it or not. I bet you never go back east to visit your family because, in your words, " I don't care anymore, you people seem so stupid to know any better.Canada is doomed and its just a matter of months". You're anothing but a separtists/conservative bully.
    We Proud Canadians will be relentless in stopping the "Reckless Conservative Majority!!!

  144. I dont hear any talk about the albertan/separatist or talking about the 50% of the votes Harper missed? I dont hear you talking about the signed, sealed and delivered coalition Harper tried to push through in 2004, I dont hear you talking about what a 'reckless conservative majority' would do to our country. Why, because you are paid republican/conservative trolls and your posts are getting angrier and angrier. I belive Harper must be paying his trolls piece rate and you wont get paid unless he gets a majority. Now, how ignorant can you be when responding to this post. I bet you cant surprise us! On your mark, get set, Go!…

  145. The Ottawa Sun? Really? The National Inquiry is more truthful.

  146. In other words "Stop the Reckless Conservative Majority" I'm with you on that!

  147. Thats the new conservative/republican talking point "Really Canada, do you want to go through these pesky elections? Give us a chance and if you dont like us you can just vote us out". Stop The Reckless Conservative Majority before it's too late! Vote them out now!

  148. So when did you give up your socialist healthcare? Date please!

  149. So when did you give up your socialist healthcare? Date please!

  150. I wonder what your comments will be when the tar sands run out or are replaced with clean energy?

  151. Best thing that can come out of this election is for harper to lose!

  152. Get a valium. Harper does not eat kittens.

  153. If it's OK for Quebec (built by Anglos) to separate, it's OK for Alberta to separate as well.

  154. Are you clairvoyant? Relax, bud. Soldiers on Canadian streets is just your LIEberal hallucinations.

  155. It's not OK for any province to separate.

  156. But it's a conservative dream!

  157. It surprised me too, that it let me do it in 1 post…I copied & pasted it from someone posting it in Facebook.

  158. It surprised me too, that it let me do it in 1 post…I copied & pasted it from someone posting it in Facebook.

  159. The real right wing agenda is to split up the country? The Alberta fire wall Harper built is taking shape. Only trouble is that it is built with tar sand and when thats gone, your wall will crumble.

  160. Hey, bud, no matter your prolific paid trolling, CONs will get the majority! lol…

  161. Unattainabale dream…

  162. Oilsands will last for a thousand years.

  163. Take a valium, I told you…lol

  164. Vote him out? Get a grip. If he has a majority all he has to do is change the laws so that he can stay in power as long as he likes. He has already shown disrespect for Parliament and our laws so why should he change now. Why is everyone ignoring the facts. Only when we loose some rights and freedoms will people wake up. Pay attention it is your country.

  165. Well, at least we have the cash to back up any separatist sentiment. Of course, any separatist sentiment that does exist out here would dry up like a spring slough if we were to dismantle the tremendously unfair construct called "equalization", which costs my wife and I about $11000 per year combined in additional taxes imposed upon us by legislators over whom we have no authority.
    I'd even settle for restrictions on how much input the have-not participants have to the equalization formula. How about a mandate that you have to put money in for any 3 years out of 5 before you're allowed a say at the table?
    Wouldn't that be fair? It's easily as fair as PR. (Of course it's a conservative fair, which is always seen as grossly unfair when compared to socialist fair. Hmmm….)

  166. Good run down on the truth / fiction rating for all the candidates here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/r

    I know, the leftist cbc… whatever.

    The CPC claim that we are topping the developed countries' economies is a lie that should be outed by any reputable journalist never mind the opposition parties, yet it never is.

    One from the debate that particularly made me scream at the tv was "the majority of economists" agree that raising taxes (ie rolling back the tax cuts) would cost thousands of jobs. Pure BS.

  167. You were considering voting Liberal but now you're solidly NDP. I'd change my handle if I were you ABHarperRegime before making such a claim.

    BTW, although Ignatieff's voting attendance number is bad, Jack exaggerated the number almost double in the debate – a cagey trick but not particularly admirable. And Harper's attendance is almost as bad – he missed almost half the votes. The only ones who regularly attended votes in the 40th Parliament were Gilles and Jack. Scoring points with nothing to lose.

  168. If you use intensedebate you can enter long posts.
    That nobody will read, in this case.

    Can't say it strongly enough: punctuation and paragraphs highly recommended.


    And with IntenseDebate, you can come back and edit your posts.
    Or delete them.

    • I use IntenseDebate, but can't manage any longer posts than before I signed up.

      The "edit" function is only good until someone replies to your post; once that happens, the ability to edit goes away (presumably so people don't alter their comments to render the reply invalid).

      • I have edited a post after it had a reply. (only for a typo) other posts I cannot edit. I think it is a time sensitive thing . . .?

  169. If you use intensedebate you can enter long posts.
    That nobody will read, in this case.

    Can't say it strongly enough: punctuation and paragraphs highly recommended.


    And with IntenseDebate, you can come back and edit your posts.
    Or delete them.

  170. You mean the bloc Albertois? Harper is indeed scarey but I wouldn't call him a terrorist.

  171. You mean the bloc Albertois? Harper is indeed scarey but I wouldn't call him a terrorist.

  172. I use IntenseDebate, but can't manage any longer posts than before I signed up.

    The "edit" function is only good until someone replies to your post; once that happens, the ability to edit goes away (presumably so people don't alter their comments to render the reply invalid).

  173. I just love you "take-my-ball-and-go-home" types. Harper typifies the attitude in Western Canada (excuse me, Harperland). But it's the exact same behaviour you all decry when it comes from Quebec.

    What a mature bunch!

  174. It is telling that so many Conservative supporters here are so willing to tear up our Constitution and Charter of Rights. These guys are trying to get rid of the need for search warrants for the police. Their use of facebook to exclude non-Conservaties from their rallies speaks volumes. Unchecked with a majority, they will turn Canada from a free and successful place into an unhappy dystopia with Orwellian overtones.

  175. It is telling that so many Conservative supporters here are so willing to tear up our Constitution and Charter of Rights. These guys are trying to get rid of the need for search warrants for the police. Their use of facebook to exclude non-Conservaties from their rallies speaks volumes. Unchecked with a majority, they will turn Canada from a free and successful place into an unhappy dystopia with Orwellian overtones.

  176. I have edited a post after it had a reply. (only for a typo) other posts I cannot edit. I think it is a time sensitive thing . . .?

  177. hey I am from Alberta – let's be nice.

    I do agree with the 'rift' that appears to be forming. Both sides seem to be set in their ways, unable to compromise. I wonder if that is why the Liberal party is struggling so much – there are less and less middle of the row voters.

    Could this mean we are doomed to minorities forever? Contrary to what some people believe, I don't think minority gov't are good for the country.

    Whether or not we compromise, I think that we all need to treat each other with respect. I have seen too many posts on this website that are vile, insulting, and ignorant. It is getting tedious. Most people don't use facts, (most use their opinion, spoken like a fact) and figure they can ridicule people who disagree with them until they shut up.

    There used to be a guy who had some incredibly thoughtful posts, but he left because of the environment of this site. It was sad to see him go.

  178. the f35 and the f18 super hornets cost the same each has a cost in excess of one hundred million per unit

  179. he already admitted to being a tax and spend liberal

  180. Give me a break! Yes – to you and the other conspiracy nuts – HARPER Is the DEVIL!! To me he is a good leader who cares about "normal" Canadians who want to have good paying jobs (not only in government) so they can take care of their families and pay their bills. Harper will decrease crime by putting criminals in jail for longer sentences – we are not talking about some dope smoking losers here, we are talking about child rapists, murderers and armed robbers. Man – it's people like you who keep us coming back to the polls again and again, only to get the same results.

  181. OH, spare me!! Yes, Harper is going to turn us into …the USA??? NO!!! Please – it would be worse to be Socialist capital of the WEST. Government will pay for everything – can you say Russia? NO, thanks. Give me good Capitalism anyday.

  182. This isn't Egypt – we are a democracy – in case you haven't noticed!

  183. Alberta belongs to Albertans and while you want to get your hands on the money that comes from our resources you keep talking about how evil us and our oil are. If Jack or Mike tried to get their hands on our resources by doing another Trudeau there would be anarchy in the streets – just like Quebec if we tried to cut back their social programs!

  184. Except Jack wants to stop the development of the oilsands – which would destroy our economy. Not just Albertas and Saskatchewan – but all of Canada. Many people from all over Canada come to work in our industry and send the money back home to their families. Jack will never be leader of this country – he is too socialist.

  185. You could always spoil your vote

  186. Hey Modster,

    Sorry if I offended you there; it's just that since this election started there have been a lot of posts from the west – most from Alta – that have threatened separation if anyone other than the CPC wins. I don't know if they are serious or if it's just a bunch of CPC trolls trying to scare Liberal supporters, but threatening and bullying always get my back up.

    The real irony is that many of them are in the same breath complaining about Quebec separatists – not seeing that they are mirroring the very behaviour they hate in others.

    It just drives me nuts, and I wish they'd grow up.

  187. Every election we see the Liberal Party steal from the political platforms of the other parties. For example in particular from the NDP. When the NDP says they are spending more money towards health care we know it will be going directly to health care. When the Liberal “adopts” this election promise it means they will be spending the money on the Bureaucrats administrating health care. Liberal policies are more directed to benefit the bureaucrats and their families than you and me. That’s why if I’m a bureaucrat it would be in my interest to leak documents so that once the liberal get into office I can get an increase on my great perks.

  188. Every election we see the Liberal Party steal from the political platforms of the other parties. For example in particular from the NDP. When the NDP says they are spending more money towards health care we know it will be going directly to health care. When the Liberal “adopts” this election promise it means they will be spending the money on the Bureaucrats administrating health care. Liberal policies are more directed to benefit the bureaucrats and their families than you and me. That’s why if I’m a bureaucrat it would be in my interest to leak documents so that once the liberal get into office I can get an increase on my great perks.

  189. Why do the pretend conservatives not engage in proper conversation – and turn to insults and non responses or worse encourage prescription drug use (take a valium)– as childish as Harper. Education Canada – the dumb are easily mislead

  190. Why do the pretend conservatives not engage in proper conversation – and turn to insults and non responses or worse encourage prescription drug use (take a valium)– as childish as Harper. Education Canada – the dumb are easily mislead

  191. Please note that a majority of Canadians would vote against Harper. This is truly a case for the introduction of proportional representation.

  192. Please note that a majority of Canadians would vote against Harper. This is truly a case for the introduction of proportional representation.

  193. Save Canada from Harper the dictator and vote Liberal who governed Canada for 2/3 of it's history and made it into the finest country on the planet. If Harper gets a majority he will be a Tea Party kinda of government, an extreme right wing nutwings bunch

  194. Save Canada from Harper the dictator and vote Liberal who governed Canada for 2/3 of it's history and made it into the finest country on the planet. If Harper gets a majority he will be a Tea Party kinda of government, an extreme right wing nutwings bunch

  195. Typical tory 'accuse them of doing what we do' answer. Of course, why should I expect anything else!

  196. Not without water that will be deemed to valuable to use for making dirty oil and not when other 'advanced' countries develope and turn to green energy.

  197. Good answer! Another conservative/reublican suggestion to Canadians concerned about the future of our country, take drugs!

  198. 70% of us are putting up with 5 years of Harper who we didn't vote for. Listen bud, you dont like Canada, want to separate, libia is looking for some citizens!

  199. Absolutely correct, especially with online positioning of gaffes and gossip stories and their related photos. Policy stories are very unlikely to be linked to images, and when there are a small headline amongst many, it is less compelling to get to them. On radio or TV, policy ANALYSIS, if any, is well into the broadcast while the gaffes and gossips are the opening stories.

  200. Wow, the leftist scaremonger parasites are out in force. Harper will eat your babies.
    For people that don't know how to vote. Go look at the CBC Liberal broadcasting service compass. No matter what you think or chose it will always points you to vote for the Liberals. Try to navigate with such a compass you will end up going in circles.

  201. Wow, the leftist scaremonger parasites are out in force. Harper will eat your babies.
    For people that don't know how to vote. Go look at the CBC Liberal broadcasting service compass. No matter what you think or chose it will always points you to vote for the Liberals. Try to navigate with such a compass you will end up going in circles.

  202. The polls are clearly showing that neither Harper nor Iggy will form a majority government after May 2. Either Harper will again attempt – and fail – to govern as if he had a majority or else a coalition, or at least some form of strategic alliance, will be called on to form a government.

    Many say, "Oh, how could Harper and Iggy ever work together in any kind of coalition?" Given the mutual will to collaborate, it's not so hard. Look at British Columbia.

    The party that calls itself the "BC Liberals" is in fact an alliance of social liberals and fiscal conservatives. Like any alliance it's not always easy to manage, but it has worked so well for BC that the opposition New Democrats have been driven far to the left of the "safe centre" and are now surviving in a leaderless game of Rope-A-Dope.

    The reason, of course, is that liberals and conservatives – in an alliance – draw each other toward the moderate centre. The liberals won't let the conservatives outlaw abortion, privatize prisons or indulge any of the wilder fancies of the fringe right. Similarly the conservatives won't let the liberals tax and spend across the board while outlawing everything that isn't compulsory.

    The moderate centre is what Canadians want. If Stephen Harper and Michael Ignatieff sincerely desire the best for our country they will form a coalition not unlike the Cameron-Clegg alliance in Britain. Such a coalition will be fractious, often raucously contentious, but its compromises will produce of the policies that Canada needs.

  203. The polls are clearly showing that neither Harper nor Iggy will form a majority government after May 2. Either Harper will again attempt – and fail – to govern as if he had a majority or else a coalition, or at least some form of strategic alliance, will be called on to form a government.

    Many say, "Oh, how could Harper and Iggy ever work together in any kind of coalition?" Given the mutual will to collaborate, it's not so hard. Look at British Columbia.

    The party that calls itself the "BC Liberals" is in fact an alliance of social liberals and fiscal conservatives. Like any alliance it's not always easy to manage, but it has worked so well for BC that the opposition New Democrats have been driven far to the left of the "safe centre" and are now surviving in a leaderless game of Rope-A-Dope.

    The reason, of course, is that liberals and conservatives – in an alliance – draw each other toward the moderate centre. The liberals won't let the conservatives outlaw abortion, privatize prisons or indulge any of the wilder fancies of the fringe right. Similarly the conservatives won't let the liberals tax and spend across the board while outlawing everything that isn't compulsory.

    The moderate centre is what Canadians want. If Stephen Harper and Michael Ignatieff sincerely desire the best for our country they will form a coalition not unlike the Cameron-Clegg alliance in Britain. Such a coalition will be fractious, often raucously contentious, but its compromises will produce of the policies that Canada needs.

    • actually here in BC the NDP have a huge majority in the polls and will most likely form the next government as BC,er are sick of the corrupt conservative liberals what ever they call themselves now … And as I live right beside a robocall area where the conservative guy cheated democracy and won by less than a 1000 votes we see conservatives as liar,s and enemy of democracy who will do what ever for power …

  204. The Super Hornets cost fifty-five to sixty-five million a pop.

  205. Oh well. We're still using the F 18's that the Liberals bought for us though. To be fair they were bought by the Conservative's hero, Pierre Trudeau, so does that count as a Liberal purchase?

  206. Did you mean to reply to me, or PB Xpat? Because, if you actually read what I wrote, you'd see we're on the same side…

  207. In reply to the gentleman that thinks the Liberals are against corporate tax cuts. You aren’t paying attention. It was the Liberals that helped the Conservatives bring in the corporate tax cuts. It was in the English leadership debate. Layton pointed out that Ignatieff supported corporate tax cuts in Parliment. Ignatieff had nothing to say

  208. Sadly, the 'Harper Government' would have to assault a brownie in front of a platoon of Mounties to not retain a 'mandate' to govern. Even then, it couldn't be much worse than the 'trying' circumstances under which he's had to reign these past 5 years or so.

    I'd love to see him dumped, but too many 'small' Canadians seem to afraid of having 'theirs' given to 'somebody else' by liberal do-gooders. It's a mean and nasty time, made meaner and nastier by the spin-doctoring denizens of the PMO.

    Vote, and hope for the best.

  209. Anne:

    If I were this Leaders they should help one another win or lose for the sake of our country..
    Life is too short. We need peace and love.

  210. so did harper win yet?…i have dont know anything about politics…all i know is that i dont want higher taxes plus i think stephen harper is great priminister

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