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In defence of white male students

Derek Warwick’s posters mocked his university’s president


 

In defence of white male studentsIn an interview not long ago about the future of post-secondary education, University of Alberta president Indira Samarasekera found herself defending an unlikely category of students: white males. “I’m going to be an advocate for young white men, because I can be,” said Samarasekera, a metallurgical engineer originally from Sri Lanka. “No one is going to question me when I say we have a problem.”

That “problem” is well known. Recent StatsCan numbers show the proportion of male vs. female university grads has dropped precipitously over the years: 58 per cent of grads aged 25 to 34 are now women. “The presidents of the major universities are very concerned we are not attracting young men in the numbers we should,” says Samarasekera, who worries about a loss of gender diversity in the future ranks of CEOs and judges. That was cause for concern when men outnumbered women, she argues—why not now? “We’ll wake up in 20 years and we will not have the benefit of enough male talent.”

The remarks didn’t sit well with some at the U of A. Derek Warwick, a women’s studies major, decided to respond—he and his friends plastered 300 posters mocking Samarasekera around campus. One, borrowing a motif from the 1958 flick Attack of the 50 Foot Woman, depicted a towering female student menacing the campus, with the tagline, “Women are attacking campus!”

Warwick was threatened with penalties ranging from probation to expulsion for distributing “malicious material.” “Either they didn’t like the message or they missed the satire,” he says. The U of A has since relented, and Warwick got a good deal of local attention—as well as a meeting with Samarasekera. The U of A president is standing by her comments. But she also called Warwick’s posters “clever.”


 

In defence of white male students

  1. "who worries about a loss of gender diversity in the future ranks of CEOs and judges"

    Is this supposed to be satire? Is anyone really concerned that in the future, there might be a few more women doing the jobs which historically have been overwhelmingly male-dominated? Just another sign that university is a place far, far removed from the real world.

  2. So what you're saying ejd, is that logic and reasoning that was good enough for one gender isn't used when the situation is reversed?

    Affirmative action and all the various gender rules should be applied equally. If we got freaked out when women were underrepresented, we'd better do it when men are. Or we're discriminating on basis of gender, and should call out the human rights commission.

  3. Yes, but where do you see men? Men outnumber women in post-graduate classes, in engineering classes, and in business schools. In other words, there are more women, but not where a university degree pays. Why is this?

    Men have generally better job opportunities than women upon leaving high school. The trades offer fairly good wages, as do some manufacturing sectors (in part thanks to unionization). They can also find lots of good public sector jobs, as firemen, policemen, etc. While there aren't explicit restrictions on women working in such fields, there are a lot of invisible ones. A lot of people would do a double-take if they saw a female plumber. I posit that men stay out of university in part because it pays to do so (the failure of high schools to teach boys effectively may also play a part). For less booksmart men, taking 6 years to barely get a degree in philosophy is probably an unwise investment, particularly when the opportunity cost is higher (since men have generally better job prospects).

    Women have much worse "low-end" job prospects. Apart from some of the worse-paying nursing positions (the better ones require a university degree), clerical and service sector jobs await women that don't go to university. Some jobs, like retail or waitressing may even see wages decrease over time (because, particularly for a saleswoman/waitress, their looks impact their ability to get commission/tips). The better-paying fields that women tend to go into – teachers, higher-end nurses, HR professionals, and so on generally require university education, particularly if one wants to move up in the ranks. Of course, women have one option that men don't usually use – marry rich. Having a degree is pretty helpful in marrying a future-rich man, and university is a good place to meet such men.

    In other words, its still good to be a man.

    • If it's "still good to be a man" then why are men 80% of the homeless (gotta love those superior job opportunities!), 80% of all suicides, 96% of incarcerations, 95% of all on-the-job fatalities (wage gap explained? no pain, no gain), and fathers win sole custody 6% of the time vs mothers 94% (which is telling because it says male dominated spheres must fall, but female dominated spheres must remain).

      So much for your argument. Thank you come again!

  4. Oh and what is the impact of encouraging more men to go to university (lets say with quotas or something like that)? Some relatively non booksmart men will struggle through university, instead of working towards a more applied profession. They will probably end up making less money, since the dregs of university students don't actually fare that well in the job market. Women who otherwise would have been admitted, won't be. Instead they will be stuck in the trap of working woman poverty. Consumers and co-workers are worse off too – we get some smart waitresses and bedpan-clearers, and some lame-brained males in HR.

    • I'd rather have a lame-brain (of any gender) make a mistake on my check, than a lame-brain engineer (as you mentioned many feminists organizations are trying to submit quotas and lower standards to get more women into engineering) eff up designing an aircraft or skyscraper that falls on me while trying to cash that check.

      It's funny that 40 years of **precisely** that point of sub-par professionals being unleashed into society was run rough-shod over by feminists and black support groups. lol

  5. Who cares? What a waste of time, let's look into some real issues.

  6. Is this the same Derek Warwick who assaulted those bikers a few months ago?

  7. It's no longer okay in my opinion to afford special attention to any particular demographic simply for being different from the other demographics.
    Race, gender, sexual preference, height, weight, mobility, age… We need to stop classifying everyone, period. This isn't the world of 100 years ago. If you qualify for a job, you have every chance to get it. If you qualify for a sport, you have the chance to compete for a spot on the team.

    A clear message needs to be sent that you're no longer special just because you've been born with or without certain body parts, or because your gender or skin color "is not well represented" in your area. These are not key elements of determining who can be capable of what.

    Exploiting each others' differences for the sake of championing a so-called cause is ironically inappropriate.

    • Couldn't agree with you more. The whole affimative action – pay equity – diversity industry needs to be wrapped up and sent out to pasture. And it is an industry. What HR department doesn't have "diversity experts" pushing some insane brand of "sensitivity training" on the workforce? Take a look at how many "diversity consultants" offer their independent services to companies who need to hire them to remain onside human rights laws. It's an industry, and a burgeoning one at that.

  8. Wow, Denis. Maybe after you're done reading Iron John and freeing your inner hairy man-self, you'd like to get over whatever childhood trauma has made you the blathering idiot that you are, and join us here in the real world.

    Everyone else: sorry to bring down the level of the comments. Some things just need to be said.

    • The problem is that men's rights and social issues are deemed unimportant and are commonly belitted by ignorant feminist bigots.

      This is a serious issue that men and boys are falling so far behind as a result of feminist marginalization. Anyone who dares speak up about such things is automatically attacked.

      I've debated many feminists, they don't have any intelligent discourse.

      It's pathetic that these eunichs are signing up for women's studies courses in feminist ideology, meanwhile there is no government funding for men's rights or men's studies courses!

  9. Good shot there Denis. I really couldn't give a rip what the politically correct viewpoint is, after reading the article (yep, some of us men folks can still read) I gave another look at the photo. Is one of them a man? Must be one of those new 'Metrosexuals'. A man in a Women's Studies Major? From what I have read about the majority of the 'Women's Studies' classes, they are a good part of the reason Men are forgoing University.

  10. Of course they want more white male students, in fact more male students in general. This is because everyone else needs someone to blame when you don't get your way all the time.

    I mean, how can you be oppressed if there are now evil white downpressormen to actually point to?

    • Precisely. Against whom will the future sexual harassment charges be laid, if not white males?

  11. P.S. … At the same time I also stand in defense (defence) of free speech on college campuses. As obnoxious at Ms. Warwick's papering of "humorous" signs on campus was, the admins should not have threatened her with penalties for doing so. If she can be threatened (or an attempt made) by sanction into silence, then so can MRAs. And don't we know it.

  12. Oh yeah, men also live 7-10 years shorter and research $$$ for female-specific diseases is about 5 to 1 for research $$$ of male-specific diseases.

  13. Its amzing to me that educated people do not understand the power of demographic. The old argument that men makes up most of the CEOS, lawer, only has another 15 to 20 yeas at the most. are poeple really this stupid. Good for you Indira Samarasekera.

  14. On one recent encounter with a feminist man (a Brock University male nurse) at an event for women’s shelters. I was there talking to men about violence against men.

    The Brock male nurse was quite clear that:

    1. When a man hits a woman, it’s his fault. When a woman hits a man, it’s his fault.
    2. 99% of statistics are made up.
    3. He didn’t want to hear anything I had to say.

    So if you’re a man in the hospital, you can be sure that you won’t get help from the nurse’s, especially if that’s how they are trained.

    I have a lot of experience with these people, I have no respect for them because they deny the truth and harrass and slander the messenger.

    GOVERNMENT OF CANADA
    http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/ncfv-cnivf/familyviolence/pdfs/Intimate_Partner.pdf

    Statistics Canada reports that “ALMOST EQUAL PROPORTIONS OF MEN AND WOMEN (7% and 8% respectively) had been the victims of intimate partner physical and psychological abuse (18% and 19% respectively). These findings were consistent with several earlier studies which reported equal rates of abuse by women and men in intimate relationships”

  15. beyond moi what skin color has to do with smarts, or savvy, or whatever…anyone… almost every human is hard wired to succeed but most devote energy to 'other stuff'….i like the idea of women being leaders in many forums why the hell not, ego difference exists, like it or not..

  16. The reason behind this is because a couple of years ago, everyone was concerned about the skilled trades shortage. So then every guidance counsellor and teacher in high schools would immediately recommend students to go out and get a job in construction. Forget university, these jobs are paying 20 dollars an hour right now! Do an apprenticeship! Then within one or two years the recession hit, and these same 20/hour jobs got sent back to what they're actually worth, of 10-12/hour. And now a lot of people who could have gone to university, are at the point where they've been working for a year, and don't feel like going back to school. As soon as you start pushing one thing, it's going to make the other have a bigger need. So, soon they're going to start recommending everyone to take university because of shortages of graduates. Then they'll go back to recommending trades. And so on and so forth.

  17. for a lot of jobs you get a degree then when you work they ignore the degree .. it's not like the degree directly trained you for the job it's really just an entrance to the job …that goes for many many kinds of degrees including pretty much all the social science ones

  18. men should just do the lifting and pushing, less on important stuff. :)

  19. We're raising a generation of "girlie-men"!

  20. AKA the SNAG – Sensitive New Age Guy. The SNAG has numerous female "buddies" who often come to him for comfort when they have man troubles. The SNAG misinterprets this attention as expressions of potential sexual interest. But the SNAG rarely, if ever, gets laid. Thinking that if only he tries harder to "understand and relate to women" he will finally get the intimacy he craves, he redoubles his efforts to emasculate himself. He winds up with yet more female buddies, and his prospects for sex are worse than ever. The vicious cycle continues.

  21. Women are not attacting the Campus but helping .

  22. For all of us, male students have more advantage than the female students to get high mark. However, nobody admit women will not achieve the same goal with the men. Thus, the number of male in the university is not a big deal. The most important is that the university can provide so many talented people to the world. What we need to care is how far the humanbeing can get. Therefore, we perfer to pay more attention on the result of the study, not the gender of the students.