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What two doctors facing sex charges hope to get from hiring a PR firm

Amitabh Chauhan and Suganthan Kayilasanathan seemingly believe in the power of the court of public opinion


 
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Richard Lautens/Toronto Star

Two young and handsome doctors walked out of Toronto’s Old City Hall on Wednesday of last week, released on bail after being charged with sexual assault. Press photographs showed Amitabh Chauhan and Suganthan Kayilasanathan, both 32, impeccably dressed and groomed. That was odd, for according to news accounts they had spent the last few days in the Don Jail wearing the same clothes they’d had on when arrested and had been unshaven at their bail hearing. The two gave careful statements to the press, expressing faith in the justice system and an intention to defend themselves vigorously.

This smooth performance was reportedly the work of Navigator Ltd., an elite public relations firm hired by Chauhan and Kayilasanathan. Navigator’s website promises: “We?.?.?.?help you shift public opinion?… Our clients’ challenges are always unique, but they share one constant: the need to win in the court of public opinion.” “Winner takes all,” proclaims the website.

Chauhan and Kayilasanathan certainly need to win in a court of law: if they don’t, they’ll be spending a lot of time in prison. But why do they need to win in the court of public opinion? The two doctors (or Navigator) must believe that, if the court of public opinion is favourable, then they are more likely to be found innocent in the court of law.

Rock stars, business titans and politicians have always hired public relations advisers as well as lawyers when they have a spot of legal bother. But the flacks who worked for Michael Jackson, Martha Stewart or Eliot Spitzer arguably were trying to protect a valuable public image, essential to what their clients did and incorporating substantial human capital, rather than influence the outcome of criminal proceedings. Chauhan and Kayilasanathan are not public personalities. They are ordinary citizens, with one exception: apparently they can afford the most expensive help available. Their purpose in hiring public relations advisers can only be to influence the legal system.

Might they succeed? We are all influenced by the general mood of our time, judges and juries included. But there is no evidence that, in a particular case, a judge is affected by what he reads in the newspaper or sees on television, although he will, of course, have his own views on things, and may have an idiosyncratic reaction to someone appearing in his courtroom. As for juries, there are a variety of safeguards to prevent their being improperly influenced, starting with methods of jury selection. In their 2003 book Free Press vs. Fair Trials, professors Jon Bruschke and William Loges conclude that jurors work hard to base their decision on the evidence presented in the courtroom rather than on what they read or hear in the media. Pretrial publicity bias, they say, is not replicated in an actual trial. For one thing, by the time a trial takes place jurors have forgotten what they read in the newspapers months or years before.

In 2009-2010, Navigator Ltd. represented Michael Bryant, the Ontario attorney general charged with criminal negligence for his role in a bizarre car accident in which an intoxicated bike courier was killed. The charges against Bryant were later dropped by an independent special prosecutor as having no merit. In the meantime, public attention had shifted from Bryant’s role in the accident to the conduct of the dead courier, focusing on his troubled childhood, frequent drunkenness, and habit of engaging in angry confrontations with motorists. Did Navigator promote this narrative shift, and did it benefit Michael Bryant?

Will something similar happen in the case of the two doctors? How could public opinion be formed or “shifted,” and what would be the effect? Perhaps we will soon read and hear about the past of the woman who claims to have been sexually assaulted. Perhaps we will see photographs of Chauhan playing with his two small children and read about Kayilasanathan’s valuable work as a family physician. Would this affect the legal outcome? I don’t think so. The best efforts of public relations advisers notwithstanding, the important thing is what really happened.


 

What two doctors facing sex charges hope to get from hiring a PR firm

  1. I'm not quite sure what your point is here, Mr. Slayton. You argue that these two men are in some way materially different from "celebrities" who hire PR firms when in trouble (and, it should be noted, when they're not in trouble too). You argue that "Their purpose in hiring public relations advisers can only be to influence the legal system" — an assertion I find to be without merit. One of the accused is a family practitioner. He depends on patients trusting him and continuing to visit him for medical advice for his income. Accusations such as this are shattering. Even a false allegation of gang sexual assault could be disastrous for someone in medicine. While I don't know enough about medical licensing, I would wonder whether even the allegation might put a doctor's medical licence in jeopardy.

    I believe that Chauhan and Kayilasanathan have the right to retain public relations counsel, just as they do legal counsel. I also believe that there's more to public relations in this case than affecting the legal case — a goal that you yourself doubt can be achieved.

  2. Nevermind these two characters, what about the reputation of Navigator?

  3. Nevermind these two characters, what about the reputation of Navigator?

  4. Honestyh, the truth and fairness are always the first caualties. With a pathetic justice system like this country sports anything is possible.

  5. Honestyh, the truth and fairness are always the first caualties. With a pathetic justice system like this country sports anything is possible.

  6. how are they handsome?

  7. how are they handsome?

  8. Problem is, whenever you work with people it's the customer's word against yours. What proof is there that they sexually assaulted these women? These women can say anything they want.

  9. Problem is, whenever you work with people it's the customer's word against yours. What proof is there that they sexually assaulted these women? These women can say anything they want.

  10. If I worked in a job where my reputation was equally as important as my competency, and I still had many thousands of dollars in student loans to pay off, and I didn't want 10 years of schooling flushed down the toilet, I would totally hire a PR firm as well. Hiring a PR firm does not = guilty, it can also mean that you have a lot more to lose if you are found innocent in court but still PERCEIVED as guilty in the court of public opinion.

  11. If I worked in a job where my reputation was equally as important as my competency, and I still had many thousands of dollars in student loans to pay off, and I didn't want 10 years of schooling flushed down the toilet, I would totally hire a PR firm as well. Hiring a PR firm does not = guilty, it can also mean that you have a lot more to lose if you are found innocent in court but still PERCEIVED as guilty in the court of public opinion.

  12. I had no idea Navigator was involved in the Bryant case, but the sliming of the bike courier was beyond the pale. A truly disgusting way to make a buck.

    You might want to ask the reporters who followed that angle what role Navigator had in that – did they start a whisper campaign with reporters? Did they dig up dirt and distribute it to the media? And why did the media choose to follow this line?

    Pretty sick all around.

  13. @bobledrew – I agree with you, this is a bit of a ramble by Mr. Slayton.

    However, here are my two cents – in such a globalized, inter-connected, technologically-driven world (including, the ubiquitous social media front ie. twitter, facebook, linkedin etc.) these two men (or ANYONE for that matter of fact) deserve both legal representation and PR representation. Ponder this, would you sit there as an innocent man/woman and take a beating in the press (simply based on allegations) when your livelihood, reputation and name are all being trashed in the most public of forums i.e. the media. And could you be legitimately faulted for responding? I trust the answers would be in the negative in both instances.

    The inability by accused/suspects to respond via media, PR firm or otherwise in any case would be tantamount to not being allowed to defend yourself in court. These two guys, who are entirely innocent, have been hung by the media and an overzealous Police Dept. Not fair. Equity would require that they respond with all their might against the State and all its resources. So handsome they may be, but at the end of the day they are trying to showcase the truth.

    In fact, I look forward to the day where even the petty shoplifter who has her face plastered on the last page of the Sudbury Star has the opportunity to afford/hire/consult a PR firm…all in an effort to add her side of the story to the discourse. Again, equality and justice would demand that from a free and democratic society. These docs have EVERY RIGHT to be doing what they are doing.

    And Harry – yes, I truly hope our system permits the media to "go after" the complainant with the same sort of vigor, post-trial.

  14. @bobledrew – I agree with you, this is a bit of a ramble by Mr. Slayton.

    However, here are my two cents – in such a globalized, inter-connected, technologically-driven world (including, the ubiquitous social media front ie. twitter, facebook, linkedin etc.) these two men (or ANYONE for that matter of fact) deserve both legal representation and PR representation. Ponder this, would you sit there as an innocent man/woman and take a beating in the press (simply based on allegations) when your livelihood, reputation and name are all being trashed in the most public of forums i.e. the media. And could you be legitimately faulted for responding? I trust the answers would be in the negative in both instances.

    The inability by accused/suspects to respond via media, PR firm or otherwise in any case would be tantamount to not being allowed to defend yourself in court. These two guys, who are entirely innocent, have been hung by the media and an overzealous Police Dept. Not fair. Equity would require that they respond with all their might against the State and all its resources. So handsome they may be, but at the end of the day they are trying to showcase the truth.

    In fact, I look forward to the day where even the petty shoplifter who has her face plastered on the last page of the Sudbury Star has the opportunity to afford/hire/consult a PR firm…all in an effort to add her side of the story to the discourse. Again, equality and justice would demand that from a free and democratic society. These docs have EVERY RIGHT to be doing what they are doing.

    And Harry – yes, I truly hope our system permits the media to "go after" the complainant with the same sort of vigor, post-trial.

    • wanna talk about a ramble…. " These two guys, who are entirely innocent" I would like to read your ramble on this please.

  15. It's incredible what Canadian society has come to! As a female MD, I was truly appalled to see how quick the media was to call the shots on these two professionals! I have personally heard horror stories of young women trying to screw over professionals/mislead the justice system so they can have something they never did (generally $$.)

    You would think in 2011 the media and police officers should not be the judge and the jury. I have yet to see ANY proof that these two men are guilty? They have been painted by the same brush ALL minority professionals are painted in by day in and day out. This isn't a case about sexual assault — it's simply a case involving the brutal assault and attempt to bring down two minority professionals that obviously made it to the top in this country. What is equally sad is that the entire nation is talking about how well they were dressed and the PR firm.

    In my humble opinion, these two men are heroes – they have set a new standard for the wrongfully accused, which is to: STAND TALL, SPEAK UP AND DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS!

  16. It's incredible what Canadian society has come to! As a female MD, I was truly appalled to see how quick the media was to call the shots on these two professionals! I have personally heard horror stories of young women trying to screw over professionals/mislead the justice system so they can have something they never did (generally $$.)

    You would think in 2011 the media and police officers should not be the judge and the jury. I have yet to see ANY proof that these two men are guilty? They have been painted by the same brush ALL minority professionals are painted in by day in and day out. This isn't a case about sexual assault — it's simply a case involving the brutal assault and attempt to bring down two minority professionals that obviously made it to the top in this country. What is equally sad is that the entire nation is talking about how well they were dressed and the PR firm.

    In my humble opinion, these two men are heroes – they have set a new standard for the wrongfully accused, which is to: STAND TALL, SPEAK UP AND DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS!

    • Wow…you sure think they're innocent. Funny how no one who actually knows them is saying anything in their defense….

  17. First and foremost, Philip Slayton, you should perhaps write a more effective follow up to this article with the sensible thoughts that all respondents on this discussion have highlighted.

    Having worked in a position of power and law enforcement, I was often told to accuse people of color, race, ethnicity and follow societal stereotypes by my superiors; which is why I left the disgusting title of being an officer. I was also indirectly told to believe whatever bizarre claims “women made” as they are apparently never wrong or the victims. Can we all please do a simple GOOGLE search and read the countless amount of recent cases where women are later being charged for misleading accusations? But are Philip Slayton and his colleagues ever going to mention this? NO, because at MacLean's they are so puzzled as to how minority professionals have money to dress the part (to prove their innocence) by hiring PR firms. On a similar note, the last time I read this magazine they were also making claims as to “Asian students overcrowding Canadian universities”. Guess what Philip Slayton/MacLeans? Times have changed and these Asians are soon going to occupy our nations top positions whether you like it or not!

    Anyone else think that this case is starting to sound like the officer/detective, Mark Fuhrman, in question at the OJ Simpson trial? Look at the tremendous effort the detective in this case utilizes for “victims” to come forward (i.e., saying he would “love more victims to come forward” and also using a terribly unprofessional self-made YouTube clip”) I had to laugh when I saw that! Does this spell F.E.A.R (also known as: I have no evidence someone PLEASE help me?) I have never seen such a lame effort in my 55 years of living in this country.

    Finally, on the day these men were “accused” I saw a dozen other headlines in the media pertaining to sex assault. Including doctors and an anesthesiologist whom had a plethora of accusations. However, why were the photos of all these other men NOT released? Why only these two? Is it because their last names weren't Smith/John and possibly because they weren't of white skin color? I would probably begin to suspect that all the others were “white” professionals.

    I suspect this is another cheating detective/deceiving media system trying to lead a career by the idea of a “power-trip”.

  18. Hey BobleDrew, did you by any chance see the dozens of other headlines that never really made the media when this case was first made public? Poor guys!! It must suck not to be white in this country. I honestly realize the power I have in this country just based on my skin color.

  19. Hey BobleDrew, did you by any chance see the dozens of other headlines that never really made the media when this case was first made public? Poor guys!! It must suck not to be white in this country. I honestly realize the power I have in this country just based on my skin color.

  20. Although I do not know these doctors or their families I can certainly understand what they are going through. In 2007 , a close colleague of mine was accused of the exact same accusations. However, in his case he was also young but the major difference was that he Caucasian…which is why the media did not probably make it any sort of ordeal. More importantly, it was later found that he was indeed the victim of a set-up by three girls trying to cry rape. He was obviously later found not guilty but did the media did not make any of it front page news.

    Notably, the police in that exact case also used a similar strategy of claiming of further victims. This was used so the public automatically dismissed their innocence or any questions. This is a tragic story. I wonder if the media will highlight their innocence once they win?

  21. Although I do not know these doctors or their families I can certainly understand what they are going through. In 2007 , a close colleague of mine was accused of the exact same accusations. However, in his case he was also young but the major difference was that he Caucasian…which is why the media did not probably make it any sort of ordeal. More importantly, it was later found that he was indeed the victim of a set-up by three girls trying to cry rape. He was obviously later found not guilty but did the media did not make any of it front page news.

    Notably, the police in that exact case also used a similar strategy of claiming of further victims. This was used so the public automatically dismissed their innocence or any questions. This is a tragic story. I wonder if the media will highlight their innocence once they win?

  22. So let me guess this straight. Canadian society (including the idiot who wrote this article) are suggesting that people of color should not wear suits in court? Indirect racism if you ask me!

  23. So let me guess this straight. Canadian society (including the idiot who wrote this article) are suggesting that people of color should not wear suits in court? Indirect racism if you ask me!

  24. News-Flash:

    PR firms DO NOT ADVISE PEOPLE ON WHAT TO WEAR! I think it's fair to assume that a plastic surgeon and medical doctor have access to decent suits and hair stylists. These aren't ordinary people.

    I guess since this case really has no evidence we might as well talk about the color of the suits worn to a bail hearing. What about Chahuan's nose hair? Why has that been left out of the discussion!! Isn't it just so well trimmed !

  25. News-Flash:

    PR firms DO NOT ADVISE PEOPLE ON WHAT TO WEAR! I think it's fair to assume that a plastic surgeon and medical doctor have access to decent suits and hair stylists. These aren't ordinary people.

    I guess since this case really has no evidence we might as well talk about the color of the suits worn to a bail hearing. What about Chahuan's nose hair? Why has that been left out of the discussion!! Isn't it just so well trimmed !

  26. Philip: We should judge people not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Sounds familiar? Perhaps, in the case you make in this article we should also include to avoid making judgments on articles of clothing worn by innocent human beings.

    I wonder what you wear to work Philip? Sweatshirt and PJs?? In fact, I don't think Macleans adheres to a strict dress code policy since they seem to be adamant on stripping others away of whatever they wear.

    This article/entire case clearly shows HOW behind Canada is on the human rights agenda. Disgusting! *throws up*
    Respect and inclusion starts with you and I, Peter. Not Navigator and the accused.

  27. Philip: We should judge people not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Sounds familiar? Perhaps, in the case you make in this article we should also include to avoid making judgments on articles of clothing worn by innocent human beings.

    I wonder what you wear to work Philip? Sweatshirt and PJs?? In fact, I don't think Macleans adheres to a strict dress code policy since they seem to be adamant on stripping others away of whatever they wear.

    This article/entire case clearly shows HOW behind Canada is on the human rights agenda. Disgusting! *throws up*
    Respect and inclusion starts with you and I, Peter. Not Navigator and the accused.

  28. I agree with all the comments above. This case is entirely based on raace.

    Please read this SICK and DISGUSTING MAN who was found guilty of taping with a teen; yet there was NOTHING on him in the media..and NO photo either. Ladies and gentlemen meet : Gordon Skinner. If his name was Gordon Patel or Gordon Chahaun I bet this would have been different.
    http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/952254-

  29. I agree with all the comments above. This case is entirely based on raace.

    Please read this SICK and DISGUSTING MAN who was found guilty of taping with a teen; yet there was NOTHING on him in the media..and NO photo either. Ladies and gentlemen meet : Gordon Skinner. If his name was Gordon Patel or Gordon Chahaun I bet this would have been different.
    http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/952254-

  30. A typical Slayton brain fart. He made my life at law school miserable and I am certain several others can agree to this. He made no sense on Bay, no sense at McGill /UWO and began to hate the profession once he saw "change" in the faces in law. I hope we can all understand what I refer to by "change". Figured he'd run into journalism so he can at least write about it things in condescending ways..

  31. A typical Slayton brain fart. He made my life at law school miserable and I am certain several others can agree to this. He made no sense on Bay, no sense at McGill /UWO and began to hate the profession once he saw "change" in the faces in law. I hope we can all understand what I refer to by "change". Figured he'd run into journalism so he can at least write about it things in condescending ways..

  32. This is a dumb article, one dimensional, highly biased and unsubstantiated. As a female physician of east indian descent, it's hard to appreciate what this writer is alluding to. I think using a PR firm is sort of warranted, really, in a case that has been sort of sensationalized from a racism/MD abuse of power point-of view in a very unfair way – it's sort of like fighting fire with fire. I am reassured by the comments following, that appear to be from ppl from all demographics.

    I never interpreted the PR firm as being a ploy to influence the court proceedings (nor did it occur to me that it ever could) but rather to repair the fractured lives of these individuals, now, and in the years to come, should they be found not guilty. Maybe I have a bit of a utopian view of the legal system and due process.

    Justin E – wow, that takes guts, but the article suddenly makes a lot more sense now. Thanks.

  33. This is a dumb article, one dimensional, highly biased and unsubstantiated. As a female physician of east indian descent, it's hard to appreciate what this writer is alluding to. I think using a PR firm is sort of warranted, really, in a case that has been sort of sensationalized from a racism/MD abuse of power point-of view in a very unfair way – it's sort of like fighting fire with fire. I am reassured by the comments following, that appear to be from ppl from all demographics.

    I never interpreted the PR firm as being a ploy to influence the court proceedings (nor did it occur to me that it ever could) but rather to repair the fractured lives of these individuals, now, and in the years to come, should they be found not guilty. Maybe I have a bit of a utopian view of the legal system and due process.

    Justin E – wow, that takes guts, but the article suddenly makes a lot more sense now. Thanks.

  34. Wow…you sure think they're innocent. Funny how no one who actually knows them is saying anything in their defense….

  35. Glad to see everyone agrees that the writer is quite amusing. Interesting to have former students comment as well.

    I am a researcher on race and media relations and have found this case quite interesting. Amusing to see the countless amount of recent stories in the media on police brutality. I wonder if anyone caught the Toronto Star front-page today: "daughter cop vs daddy cop". This is just one example of how sick and meaningless things are in this country. Just wasteful ink – police brutality and media racial profiling is a known fact in this country — this author pretty much stated openly what a lot of racist people hide so well. So well done for that!

    I guess writing on Japan's earthquake would have to make the team at MacLeans "think a little harder" – and we would hate for that to happen!…perhaps even pulling out a map of the word?

    PS – food for thought (only because this seems to be such an active discussion)
    Q: Does anyone believe that the same amount of media coverage would have been warranted for two minority docs finding a credible cure for cancer, namely would the media have published anything? It would have been ignored and I can bet my life on that, primarily because of their race.

  36. Glad to see everyone agrees that the writer is quite amusing. Interesting to have former students comment as well.

    I am a researcher on race and media relations and have found this case quite interesting. Amusing to see the countless amount of recent stories in the media on police brutality. I wonder if anyone caught the Toronto Star front-page today: "daughter cop vs daddy cop". This is just one example of how sick and meaningless things are in this country. Just wasteful ink – police brutality and media racial profiling is a known fact in this country — this author pretty much stated openly what a lot of racist people hide so well. So well done for that!

    I guess writing on Japan's earthquake would have to make the team at MacLeans "think a little harder" – and we would hate for that to happen!…perhaps even pulling out a map of the word?

    PS – food for thought (only because this seems to be such an active discussion)
    Q: Does anyone believe that the same amount of media coverage would have been warranted for two minority docs finding a credible cure for cancer, namely would the media have published anything? It would have been ignored and I can bet my life on that, primarily because of their race.

  37. Navigator dug up all the dirt they could find on the courier (this must have cost thousands of dollars, finding and buying photos from ordinary citizens who would have understood the monetary value). They then gave this information and photos to Bryant's defense council who then handed it to the Richard Peck, the special prosecutor for the Crown. All of this happened behind closed doors, out of public view and the court. Then this new information on the courier was submitted by the Crown in court as an explanation on why they were withdrawing the charges.

  38. Navigator dug up all the dirt they could find on the courier (this must have cost thousands of dollars, finding and buying photos from ordinary citizens who would have understood the monetary value). They then gave this information and photos to Bryant's defense council who then handed it to the Richard Peck, the special prosecutor for the Crown. All of this happened behind closed doors, out of public view and the court. Then this new information on the courier was submitted by the Crown in court as an explanation on why they were withdrawing the charges.

  39. wanna talk about a ramble…. " These two guys, who are entirely innocent" I would like to read your ramble on this please.

  40. NAVIGATOR LTD. – When you can't afford the truth!!!

  41. NAVIGATOR LTD. – When you can't afford the truth!!!

  42. In response to Maria's question: Of course, the answer to your question, is a big NO. The media outlets would never highlight any achievements made by any minority professional(s). You have to be white to make the headlines of "good news" in this country. If you are a person of color and try to make the good news they will make up 10 bad things about you to undermine character and then may possible post the good news. :) Hello people this is Canada — the land that hates immigrant growth and minority power. Why do you think Canada has zero global leaders and the top people from this country leave for where? The U.S or UK. Simple but true. :)

  43. In response to Maria's question: Of course, the answer to your question, is a big NO. The media outlets would never highlight any achievements made by any minority professional(s). You have to be white to make the headlines of "good news" in this country. If you are a person of color and try to make the good news they will make up 10 bad things about you to undermine character and then may possible post the good news. :) Hello people this is Canada — the land that hates immigrant growth and minority power. Why do you think Canada has zero global leaders and the top people from this country leave for where? The U.S or UK. Simple but true. :)

  44. Interesting to realize where the world of justice would be without voices like Navigator. How many innocent people have lives and families ruined in this country on a daily basis? Navigator should be championed and celebrated for the great work they do.

  45. Interesting to realize where the world of justice would be without voices like Navigator. How many innocent people have lives and families ruined in this country on a daily basis? Navigator should be championed and celebrated for the great work they do.

  46. How on earth can these two be accused of such crimes with no DNA evidence? The Canadian system allows lives to be ruined before being proven guilty?? How on earth do the police even have the right to take this to the media before the court of law??? This is definitely police brutality at its finest. Obviously they need a professional PR firm to highlight their innocence.

  47. How on earth can these two be accused of such crimes with no DNA evidence? The Canadian system allows lives to be ruined before being proven guilty?? How on earth do the police even have the right to take this to the media before the court of law??? This is definitely police brutality at its finest. Obviously they need a professional PR firm to highlight their innocence.

    • @JulienWorinn you may want to rethink your question about charges without DNA evidence. The successful convictions of sex offenders are often achieved without DNA evidence because the victims they abuse are brave enough to disclose the harrowing details of the crimes committed against them.

      • Survivor – you may wish to note that 40% of prisoners are WRONGFULLY accused in this country. That is the statistic in this country – therefore that is FACTUAL evidence. So what you are saying is that : "harrowing details and a personal account of a story is enough to jail someone in this country"? You moron, ever heard of circumstantial evidence or hearsay? Perhaps take a law 101 course before you begin to opine.

        • @Janice thanks for the spirited response, however we noticed that you attributed remarks to us that were not part of our original comment. The fact that we stand by is that in this country there is no statute of limitations for sexual assault/sexual abuse, which sometimes makes the availability of DNA evidence difficult or impossible and does rely on the “harrowing details” of victim testimony for a conviction. All the same, we are very interested to know the origins of the factual evidence that you so forcefully put forward with respect to wrongful conviction statistics.

          BTW – We hope that calling us names helped you feel better about yourself today.

          • Janice, you are perhaps the most ignorant poster on this thread – which is realistically quite an accomplishment given the lack of insight that most responses on this page demonstrate. Janice, in your infinite wisdom, you forgot to site the source of your bogus "factual" statistic. This leads me to believe that your "factual evidence" is based entirely on your "extensive" legal and medical knowledge acquired by watching court-room-tv-dramas. Janice – who needs law class or judicial experience when you can watch CSI? Our legal system could save millions of dollars if we just started hiring tv-educated morons like you in lieu of lawyers and judges.

            In "real life", false accusation rates are estimated to be less than 5%. Most of these accusations do not make it to trial and of those who do, very few result in convictions.

            "Doctor" Simmons – just curious: did you personally investigate all of these complaints, the majority of which you claim were false accusations by money-hungry women? I wouldn't doubt it. Could you clarify something for me? Which large hospital's ethics board lets a man, who thinks that posting these kind of comments on a public discussion forum is an acceptable and ethical practice, work for them for 20 years? I'd like to seek care elsewhere. I guess "ethical" means different things to different people, eh doc?

        • I guess we know why they hired NAVIGATOR LTD right Janice, wink, wink.

          To everyone who is reading these articles let me tell you that the majority of response which defends these rapist are hired.  I personally know these two people.  So if you were to ask me if they are capable of this? My respond would be, “if you know then like I do, the answer would be “YES THEY DID””

  48. wow I never thought of it through this lens. Julien, you are absolutely right . What happens if these two are entirely innocent? The media and the police have already done the damage – would these two men ever gain justice?

  49. I sit on the ethics and human rights commission board for a large hospital. Over the course of my 20 year career I've come to realize that a great major of my complaints were found to be inaccurate/false. I'm almost confident to say that in most circumstances it was women set to mislead the public and gain some sort of fame or financial gain by such cruel acts. I've also noticed that cases are only publicized widely when race becomes a factor. Interesting observations I've made.

  50. I sit on the ethics and human rights commission board for a large hospital. Over the course of my 20 year career I've come to realize that a great major of my complaints were found to be inaccurate/false. I'm almost confident to say that in most circumstances it was women set to mislead the public and gain some sort of fame or financial gain by such cruel acts. I've also noticed that cases are only publicized widely when race becomes a factor. Interesting observations I've made.

  51. I went to high school with both these guys and the unfortunately the charges dont surprise me.

    The police might be interested in Suganthan's condo he used to own and should find out a reason why he felt it was necessary to have 16 secret cameras installed in his unit.

    He must like making movies.

    • I found this just today and am shocked.
      I used to know Suganthan personally.
      Dr.Riviera, i don’t know you will see this post, but I’d really like to know about the cameras in his old condo. I’ve been there.

      • I’ve been there too B.G…Gross

  52. I went to high school with both these guys and the unfortunately the charges dont surprise me.

    The police might be interested in Suganthan's condo he used to own and should find out a reason why he felt it was necessary to have 16 secret cameras installed in his unit.

    He must like making movies.

    • Wow-16 cameras! Only reason I can think of other than the obvious was that he wanted to keep an eye out on the maid service.
      How were these guys in highschool?

    • Dr.Riviera, I am also curious to know…how were these guys in highschool?

    • I heard this guy had a problem with law at high school too regarding possession of a gun. His dad saved him buy putting a scape goat for money. His dad was arrested but that case was hushed up probably with the help of PR firms.
      In Ontario justice is a joke.

      • Why did he need a gun?
        How can the father take the blame? This is the CANADIAN justice system…I thought paying the police off only happened in south asia. I can't believe this… wow.

  53. Wow- 16 hidden cameras?!! Holy crap. The only reason I can think of other than the obvious is that maybe he had a maid service and wanted to keep an eye on things.
    What was their demeanor as teenagers in highschool…?Was it a foreshadow of what was to come?

  54. Wow-16 cameras! Only reason I can think of other than the obvious was that he wanted to keep an eye out on the maid service.
    How were these guys in highschool?

  55. The authors of most of the comments on this story have lost the plot. This is not about the race or profession of these men. This is about what money can buy and who is willing to be bought. What requires analysis here is what kind of organization is willing to work on rebuilding the reputations of accused rapists.
    http://wp.me/pwOgN-7b

  56. The authors of most of the comments on this story have lost the plot. This is not about the race or profession of these men. This is about what money can buy and who is willing to be bought. What requires analysis here is what kind of organization is willing to work on rebuilding the reputations of accused rapists.
    http://wp.me/pwOgN-7b

  57. @JulienWorinn you may want to rethink your question about charges without DNA evidence. The successful convictions of sex offenders are often achieved without DNA evidence because the victims they abuse are brave enough to disclose the harrowing details of the crimes committed against them.

  58. Why don`t we just treat these 2 like Ontario dog owners?
    http://thestar.blogs.com/broadsides/2009/11/bully

    Presume them guilty and make them prove their innocence.

    That`s what should have been done with ex-Liberal Cabinet Minister Michael Bryant.

    If we`re going to disregard the Charter of Rights for some Ontarians,why not just ignore it for all.

  59. Why don`t we just treat these 2 like Ontario dog owners?
    http://thestar.blogs.com/broadsides/2009/11/bully

    Presume them guilty and make them prove their innocence.

    That`s what should have been done with ex-Liberal Cabinet Minister Michael Bryant.

    If we`re going to disregard the Charter of Rights for some Ontarians,why not just ignore it for all.

    • innocent until proven guilty? is it not? not guilty until proven innocent

  60. Dr.Riviera, I am also curious to know…how were these guys in highschool?

  61. Survivor – you may wish to note that 40% of prisoners are WRONGFULLY accused in this country. That is the statistic in this country – therefore that is FACTUAL evidence. So what you are saying is that : "harrowing details and a personal account of a story is enough to jail someone in this country"? You moron, ever heard of circumstantial evidence or hearsay? Perhaps take a law 101 course before you begin to opine.

  62. @Janice thanks for the spirited response, however we noticed that you attributed remarks to us that were not part of our original comment. The fact that we stand by is that in this country there is no statute of limitations for sexual assault/sexual abuse, which sometimes makes the availability of DNA evidence difficult or impossible and does rely on the “harrowing details” of victim testimony for a conviction. All the same, we are very interested to know the origins of the factual evidence that you so forcefully put forward with respect to wrongful conviction statistics.

    BTW – We hope that calling us names helped you feel better about yourself today.

  63. If the Bike Courier was an angry drunk who often confronted motorists and this PR firm uncovered that fact, bravo. That information is highly significant. The most effective measure by which to predict present behavior is past behavior. The two persons involved in a traffic accident are most likely both at fault to varying degrees and the fact that one of them was a reckless, confrontational individual with a history of careless behavior and the other was not, most certainly has a bearing on what a reasonable person should believe occurred. Things do not occur in a vacuum and ignoring facts that are relevant is simply irresponsible.

  64. If the Bike Courier was an angry drunk who often confronted motorists and this PR firm uncovered that fact, bravo. That information is highly significant. The most effective measure by which to predict present behavior is past behavior. The two persons involved in a traffic accident are most likely both at fault to varying degrees and the fact that one of them was a reckless, confrontational individual with a history of careless behavior and the other was not, most certainly has a bearing on what a reasonable person should believe occurred. Things do not occur in a vacuum and ignoring facts that are relevant is simply irresponsible.

    • The witness statement about what they saw is, of course, more important and a better yardstick by which to measure what occurred. That does not mean that other true things do not have a bearing upon trying to determine what happened. I can say that Bryant left the scene of an accident, I cannot say that prior to him doing so that the Bike courier did not do something that caused him to fear that he meant him harm or somehow influence his behavior. He still should have been charged and tried, but the character of the other person involved would certainly be a big factor in deciding what his state of mind may have been.

      If you do not want people telling the truth about you in public then lead a better life.

      If you do not want people to tell the truth about you in public then lead a better life.

  65. The witness statement about what they saw is, of course, more important and a better yardstick by which to measure what occurred. That does not mean that other true things do not have a bearing upon trying to determine what happened. I can say that Bryant left the scene of an accident, I cannot say that prior to him doing so that the Bike courier did not do something that caused him to fear that he meant him harm or somehow influence his behavior. He still should have been charged and tried, but the character of the other person involved would certainly be a big factor in deciding what his state of mind may have been.

    If you do not want people telling the truth about you in public then lead a better life.

    If you do not want people to tell the truth about you in public then lead a better life.

  66. 1. Apparently a Toronto Police Officer has been charged with sexually assaulting teenage boys. It was a 4 sentence story in the back end section of the Toronto Star…hmmmmmm interesting how they hide their own!

    2. Interesting comments but I might have to agree wtih the majority of folks on this once on how this does seem to be a race issue. We do see this consistentl in the media, in fact..here is the front page of the Toronto Star right now
    http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/967444-

    3. The above link has made me laugh – a Caucasian women who is accused of kidnapping is portrayed in a model/sensational pose?? Are women given preferred treatment? This is gender based discrimination in the media at its finest – or perhaps Slayton would argue that she used Navigator LOL.

    PS…I wonder if women have access to a back-room professional photographer at the police station or when they remain in custody and have glamor shots released? Absurd.

    I think I would have to agree with Julien and the rest of the folks on this one in terms of the media and police discriminating on these two. Survivor – if you were innocent of a crime would you want the right to speak up or run away from the media and the rest of the world? Just my two cents….

  67. 1. Apparently a Toronto Police Officer has been charged with sexually assaulting teenage boys. It was a 4 sentence story in the back end section of the Toronto Star…hmmmmmm interesting how they hide their own!

    2. Interesting comments but I might have to agree wtih the majority of folks on this once on how this does seem to be a race issue. We do see this consistentl in the media, in fact..here is the front page of the Toronto Star right now
    http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/967444-

    3. The above link has made me laugh – a Caucasian women who is accused of kidnapping is portrayed in a model/sensational pose?? Are women given preferred treatment? This is gender based discrimination in the media at its finest – or perhaps Slayton would argue that she used Navigator LOL.

    PS…I wonder if women have access to a back-room professional photographer at the police station or when they remain in custody and have glamor shots released? Absurd.

    I think I would have to agree with Julien and the rest of the folks on this one in terms of the media and police discriminating on these two. Survivor – if you were innocent of a crime would you want the right to speak up or run away from the media and the rest of the world? Just my two cents….

    • @Harrison,

      What you are trying to get at by citing these examples is unclear.

      1. Were you trying to say that the Police were trying to protect the officer charged with sexually assaulting the two teen-aged boys? The Police did post a number of bulletins about his arrest using their own news release services. Or were you alluding to the fact that the charged officer happens to be African-Canadian/Black? The Star ran a piece that was significantly longer than 4 sentences. I've provided links to separate sources so you can verify all of this:

      – Toronto Police: http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/pdfs/
      – CBC News: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/
      – The Star: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/963397-

      2. The woman convicted in the kidnapping case – she did plead guilty – is not Caucasian. Our understanding is that she is East Asian – I'm certain we will be corrected if we are wrong. What we are not certain about is what her race or her gender has to do with her conviction or how you perceive that she received "preferred treatment" for a crime she admitted to committing.

      What does any of this have to do with media and police discrimination and the case against Amitabh Chauhan and Suganthan Kayilasanathan? The police have laid charges and the media has reported the story. If they are innocent why should they "run away from the media and the rest of the world"? Innocent people should stand firm and defend themselves.

      What we will say is that your comments that focus on race and gender, as others have, still do not sway our opinion about a PR firm representing alleged rapists which is the issue that this article discussed.

      • By "our opinion" are you referring to yourself? If I may intervene, I think the gentleman was referring to race ultimately being a factor in media and police biases. In doing so, he cited examples of recent times. Are you really trying to make an argument saying that we see no biases in media? If that is what you are trying to say my dear it might be You vs the World on that one :) lol.

        Before proceeding any further I leave you with this quote from Toronto Police Chief ""Racism is a human failing. Racial profiling can occur. We've acknowledged that right upfront and that has really enabled us to work with our community partners to do something about it," said Blair.

  68. Any recent news on this case?

  69. Any recent news on this case?

  70. Janice, you are perhaps the most ignorant poster on this thread – which is realistically quite an accomplishment given the lack of insight that most responses on this page demonstrate. Janice, in your infinite wisdom, you forgot to site the source of your bogus "factual" statistic. This leads me to believe that your "factual evidence" is based entirely on your "extensive" legal and medical knowledge acquired by watching court-room-tv-dramas. Janice – who needs law class or judicial experience when you can watch CSI? Our legal system could save millions of dollars if we just started hiring tv-educated morons like you in lieu of lawyers and judges.

    In "real life", false accusation rates are estimated to be less than 5%. Most of these accusations do not make it to trial and of those who do, very few result in convictions.

    "Doctor" Simmons – just curious: did you personally investigate all of these complaints, the majority of which you claim were false accusations by money-hungry women? I wouldn't doubt it. Could you clarify something for me? Which large hospital's ethics board lets a man, who thinks that posting these kind of comments on a public discussion forum is an acceptable and ethical practice, work for them for 20 years? I'd like to seek care elsewhere. I guess "ethical" means different things to different people, eh doc?

  71. @Harrison,

    What you are trying to get at by citing these examples is unclear.

    1. Were you trying to say that the Police were trying to protect the officer charged with sexually assaulting the two teen-aged boys? The Police did post a number of bulletins about his arrest using their own news release services. Or were you alluding to the fact that the charged officer happens to be African-Canadian/Black? The Star ran a piece that was significantly longer than 4 sentences. I've provided links to separate sources so you can verify all of this:

    – Toronto Police: http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/pdfs/
    – CBC News: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/
    – The Star: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/963397-

    2. The woman convicted in the kidnapping case – she did plead guilty – is not Caucasian. Our understanding is that she is East Asian – I'm certain we will be corrected if we are wrong. What we are not certain about is what her race or her gender has to do with her conviction or how you perceive that she received "preferred treatment" for a crime she admitted to committing.

    What does any of this have to do with media and police discrimination and the case against Amitabh Chauhan and Suganthan Kayilasanathan? The police have laid charges and the media has reported the story. If they are innocent why should they "run away from the media and the rest of the world"? Innocent people should stand firm and defend themselves.

    What we will say is that your comments that focus on race and gender, as others have, still do not sway our opinion about a PR firm representing alleged rapists which is the issue that this article discussed.

  72. They're not handsome.

  73. They're not handsome.

  74. I think that both are actually kinda cute :) don't appear to seem like two that would need to dope someone.

  75. I think that both are actually kinda cute :) don't appear to seem like two that would need to dope someone.

    • Don't judge a book by its cover

  76. doctors are the most vulnerable target in society….Everyone and anyone knows that, and i wouldn't be surprised if the complainant fits the mold of a 'stereotypical' Canadian..This , of course , makes things all the more favourable for the police and the media to run with horse-crap.

    It's amazing to see how many different professionals have spilled their two cents on this case…and clearly based on all the comments I read on this I think that most people can easily read right through this case: race, bs, and probably police brutality. Are there any facts? Was this case even investigated properly?

    Who wouldn't hire a PR firm? Women (and especially women who are not colored skin) in this country, literally have the pre-approved societal stamp and shield to destroy lives so easily…..

  77. doctors are the most vulnerable target in society….Everyone and anyone knows that, and i wouldn't be surprised if the complainant fits the mold of a 'stereotypical' Canadian..This , of course , makes things all the more favourable for the police and the media to run with horse-crap.

    It's amazing to see how many different professionals have spilled their two cents on this case…and clearly based on all the comments I read on this I think that most people can easily read right through this case: race, bs, and probably police brutality. Are there any facts? Was this case even investigated properly?

    Who wouldn't hire a PR firm? Women (and especially women who are not colored skin) in this country, literally have the pre-approved societal stamp and shield to destroy lives so easily…..

    • often doctors are also arrogant, and people of certain ethnic groups think white Cdns. are :white trash” , beneath them exactly why arrogance and the cover of being worshiped MD s on a pedestal, & married might make them think they can get away with ANYTHING?

      if the poor babies are too vulnerable maybe shouldn’t have become doctors, or change careers?

      should EVERY doctor ever accused of sexual assault automatically get a pass b/c some claims MIGHT be false?

      that’s the way it was for te4achers who assaulted, and certainly priests & pastors/preachers who raped, no-one could believe THEY would ever do such a thing so they got away with it for DECADES

  78. yeah this case is weird…. all the accusations never even occurred at the workplace so what right did the media and cops have to label these two as if the accussations occurred at work? – whatever happens off site is of course nobody's business

    Now as a female I know my fellow women are going to disown me for saying this but who the heck goes to get career advice at a BAR on a weeknight??? my 8 year old dog is smarter than that! you want to see a doctor for career advice go visit him/her at the hospital cafeteria have a latte and call it a day …oh no …wait you wont be able to cry rape if you do that!

    oh and not to mention that i find it extremely strange how someone can be drugged and then remember what happened to them? I agree lots of grey areas in this story……………..

  79. yeah this case is weird…. all the accusations never even occurred at the workplace so what right did the media and cops have to label these two as if the accussations occurred at work? – whatever happens off site is of course nobody's business

    Now as a female I know my fellow women are going to disown me for saying this but who the heck goes to get career advice at a BAR on a weeknight??? my 8 year old dog is smarter than that! you want to see a doctor for career advice go visit him/her at the hospital cafeteria have a latte and call it a day …oh no …wait you wont be able to cry rape if you do that!

    oh and not to mention that i find it extremely strange how someone can be drugged and then remember what happened to them? I agree lots of grey areas in this story……………..

    • This girl apparently knew the doctors beforehand…they were not strangers. Makes sense if she did not know them well and was trying to extort money from them by claiming sexual assault. However they were friends. If you're friends its not out of the ordinairy to meet friends in a casual envt to talk and discuss the future. It seems these men took advantage of the situation and were thinking heavily with something else rather than their brains. They need to understand there are consequences. Let justice be served.

      • Completely agree with the above comment. It's not unusual to meet friends, aquaintances at social spots. These guys should not have taken advantage of the vulnerable situation…its a shame to see their careers go downhill. They have learned their lesson. Hasty decisions have consequences. Their names will always carry a stigma, especially in their community.

        • Interesting you see your commentary on the community, Thanavan. Are you intending on financially supporting these two men? Since these two are educated professionals and I highly doubt they rely on "your community" for any advancement in their personal or professional lives. Last I checked, your community is generally uneducated; so I doubt that an MD and Plastic Surgeon would mind want "Thana's community thinks."

          My neighbor is of Sri Lankan decent and he noted to me how the community has a very high appetite for waiting to see those in power/elite families fall. I understand that there is a lot of hatred and competition in the community when others are educated/wealthy? I begin to imagine that both these docs are from the latter. I think those who are in the medical profession and others who hold more than a high school diploma know that the facts of this case are a bit skewed and weird. Even if she did know both men — does it make sense to drink at one bar, go to another, and then back to another hotel? How much career advice can you hear inside a bar?

          Now let's take your assumption by saying they did know the female. So what if the men were perhaps being gentlemen by letting her simply "crash" so she doesn't drive home drunk? Did the girl take advantage of this "vulnerable situation"?? I would ponder on that one.

          • WOW! very very true Jared! I volunteered at a local indo-Tamil NGO over last summer and I heard COUNTLESS stories about hate in the community from my supervisor. Basically if you are educated or wealthy in the community you are basically hated…as awful as that may sound? I guess whenever those in power are associated with the media it automatically makes headlines….if these two were bartenders or even government employees / teachers would this case have been what it is?

          • Maria: the reason this made headlines is because of the position of trust they are in. A physician's position of trust is in no comparison to a bartender. As a female would you go to a doctor knowing that he was charged with sexual assault? I think not. Its for the safety of the community and women that this story received all this attention across the country.

          • Jared: You seem to have great insight in the Tamil community. The you are also aware interestingly enough that the elitewealthy tamils feel they are above the law. I heard he escaped charges of gun possession when younger…daddy took care of it. Ok elite, wealthy educated and invisible to the law. Elite or not his name will carry a stigma. I am just stating the facts. Also interesting that you think that the girl took advantage of the 2 men in a hotel room??? I believe she is telling the truth. And the many others that have come forward, are they taking advantage also of a vulnerable situation? Very unlikely.

          • Women can take advantage of the situation, Thanavan. I say that as a married woman and have two teenage boys, and whenever they are going out anywhere in a social environment I always give them relevant precautions. What you are stating sounds very gender biased. There has been countless amounts of cases where women later become the accused of such tragedies. Also, you mention many others have come forward? What happened to all that? Was that just a police tactic used to coerce the media and the community. There is a wise saying that states when one block tumbles – all it takes is another snake to pop up and dance : )

            If there are other victims lay charges – simple as that. Dont you think? I dont think the cops really had the right approach on this one, hence, why they brought up 'propaganda'…just my thoughts. Again, if there are other credible victims shouldn't there have been further charges???? Are there? Maybe I'm missing the story.

          • Good point to the above comment. If I read any story in the media and then saw "2 more come forward" as a headline that automatically triggers my mind to question the initial claim…that's a pretty brutal police tactic…never thought of that….and why hasn't there been anything on the girl yet? she was probably jealous of their careers who knows….let's see

          • Thanavan – your name sounds very ethnic and (i'm going out on a limb here) you may, in fact, belong to the same community (i.e. Tamil Canadians). If that is the case, I think the previous posts (i.e. brown on brown hate, community resentment etc.) are all, at least based on your posts thus far, very much applicable to you. You seem to know one or both families fairly well and are fond of repeatedly stating, some claim about gun charges (i.e. Toronto police bought off by some father on gun charges :s). Do you know how serious gun charges are? How seriously the Toronto Police Services take gun charges? How past criminal records/run-ins with law is the first disclosure made to the public when an accussed is arrested. Interestingly, it has been repeatedly stated in all the media reports that the 2 accused have NO prior records (criminal or otherwise). So, I don't think some dad can just "buy" his son's way out of gun charges pal. Gun charges make for great headlines. Past gun charges + alleged sex assault incidents make for great news stories pal – why are there none? Ponder that. Perhaps over a cup of tea. I did the same – and that's why I think: (1) your comments are bogus and (2) the investigation here is utterly flawed. This girl clearly had secondary motives – there have been no new complaints, and nothing new about this case period. If they were the monsters the detective tried to paint them as – where are the new charges? lay them? why not? Its all too fishy for me…so much like the vast majority of the readers/comments/the informed pubic on this site – I'm also going to sit in the "this is a racist/classicist case!" camp. Thanavan may be the only star witness the police have :s….yikes.

          • I agree Jeez , Thanavan , seems to be highly infatuated over weapons. It's amusing to see people bringing anything irrelevant to this case. What a disgraceful thing to be doing sitting online claiming bogus gun charges? I clearly remember the news stating that both men had NO previous criminal offenses, which is why I was a bit weary when I read his initial post.

            Why on earth would a plastic surgeon and a doctor have gun charges? They wouldn't have even been able to practice medicine if this was the case. I also agree with Jeez on the mere fact that the police would have ate these two up if they had ANY previous criminal records.

          • True to the above comment; and if they indeed had previous gun charges like this individual (Thanavam) is claiming they would NOT have been granted bail. Bail is not granted for such convictions. He's making it up.

          •  Jared B, “SHUT THE FU8K U8”

  80. By "our opinion" are you referring to yourself? If I may intervene, I think the gentleman was referring to race ultimately being a factor in media and police biases. In doing so, he cited examples of recent times. Are you really trying to make an argument saying that we see no biases in media? If that is what you are trying to say my dear it might be You vs the World on that one :) lol.

    Before proceeding any further I leave you with this quote from Toronto Police Chief ""Racism is a human failing. Racial profiling can occur. We've acknowledged that right upfront and that has really enabled us to work with our community partners to do something about it," said Blair.

  81. whats going on with the case?? Anyone know the current status?

  82. whats going on with the case?? Anyone know the current status?

  83. Don't judge a book by its cover

  84. This girl apparently knew the doctors beforehand…they were not strangers. Makes sense if she did not know them well and was trying to extort money from them by claiming sexual assault. However they were friends. If you're friends its not out of the ordinairy to meet friends in a casual envt to talk and discuss the future. It seems these men took advantage of the situation and were thinking heavily with something else rather than their brains. They need to understand there are consequences. Let justice be served.

  85. I heard this guy had a problem with law at high school too regarding possession of a gun. His dad saved him buy putting a scape goat for money. His dad was arrested but that case was hushed up probably with the help of PR firms.
    In Ontario justice is a joke.

  86. Completely agree with the above comment. It's not unusual to meet friends, aquaintances at social spots. These guys should not have taken advantage of the vulnerable situation…its a shame to see their careers go downhill. They have learned their lesson. Hasty decisions have consequences. Their names will always carry a stigma, especially in their community.

  87. Jennete I totally agree with you. As a female I will never ever go to a BAR or a hotel to get career advice, especially when you are meeting men!! First of all if one is going for a career advice, she should be professional enough to pick a decent place like a cafe or a restaurant not a BAR!!!

    I respect that Canadian Police officers will not reveal anything without evidence, but this case is very sketchy. I wonder what kind of Career advice this girl was trying to get at the bar??

    I personally don't see a reason for these two men to drug and rape a girl…………especially when they are in a profession where they deal with "trust" between them and their patients. These men have invested a lot of time, dedication and money to go through all those years of medical school and training.

    At this point far too much damage has been done to these two professionals career and their future. I hope we will all find out the truth on what really happened and who was at fault?


    • I personally don’t see a reason for these two men to drug and rape a girl…………especially when they are in a profession where they deal with “trust” between them and their patients. These men have invested a lot of time, dedication and money to go through all those years of medical school and training. ”

      so “conclusive”? – catholic priests spent a lot of time energy, dedication & money to get where they, are must mean that NONE Of them is/were sick and sexually seduce children..all the stories were false, made up? get a clue, some people are MENTALLY ILL, OBSESSED & SICK, it’s not “LOGICAL” what they do.

  88. Jennete I totally agree with you. As a female I will never ever go to a BAR or a hotel to get career advice, especially when you are meeting men!! First of all if one is going for a career advice, she should be professional enough to pick a decent place like a cafe or a restaurant not a BAR!!!

    I respect that Canadian Police officers will not reveal anything without evidence, but this case is very sketchy. I wonder what kind of Career advice this girl was trying to get at the bar??

    I personally don't see a reason for these two men to drug and rape a girl…………especially when they are in a profession where they deal with "trust" between them and their patients. These men have invested a lot of time, dedication and money to go through all those years of medical school and training.

    At this point far too much damage has been done to these two professionals career and their future. I hope we will all find out the truth on what really happened and who was at fault?

  89. Why did he need a gun?
    How can the father take the blame? This is the CANADIAN justice system…I thought paying the police off only happened in south asia. I can't believe this… wow.

  90. Interesting you see your commentary on the community, Thanavan. Are you intending on financially supporting these two men? Since these two are educated professionals and I highly doubt they rely on "your community" for any advancement in their personal or professional lives. Last I checked, your community is generally uneducated; so I doubt that an MD and Plastic Surgeon would mind want "Thana's community thinks."

    My neighbor is of Sri Lankan decent and he noted to me how the community has a very high appetite for waiting to see those in power/elite families fall. I understand that there is a lot of hatred and competition in the community when others are educated/wealthy? I begin to imagine that both these docs are from the latter. I think those who are in the medical profession and others who hold more than a high school diploma know that the facts of this case are a bit skewed and weird. Even if she did know both men — does it make sense to drink at one bar, go to another, and then back to another hotel? How much career advice can you hear inside a bar?

    Now let's take your assumption by saying they did know the female. So what if the men were perhaps being gentlemen by letting her simply "crash" so she doesn't drive home drunk? Did the girl take advantage of this "vulnerable situation"?? I would ponder on that one.

  91. WOW! very very true Jared! I volunteered at a local indo-Tamil NGO over last summer and I heard COUNTLESS stories about hate in the community from my supervisor. Basically if you are educated or wealthy in the community you are basically hated…as awful as that may sound? I guess whenever those in power are associated with the media it automatically makes headlines….if these two were bartenders or even government employees / teachers would this case have been what it is?

    • MARIA C .”v”

      “COUNTLESS STORIES.”.IN OTHER WORDS YOU GOSSIPED ABOUT PEOPLE BEHIND THEIR BACKS AND MADE CONCLUSIONS BASED ON OE PERSON’S opinions WITHOUT OBJECTIVE proof.. SOUNDS SO ‘PROFESSIONAL” ?

  92. innocent until proven guilty? is it not? not guilty until proven innocent

  93. Jared: You seem to have great insight in the Tamil community. The you are also aware interestingly enough that the elitewealthy tamils feel they are above the law. I heard he escaped charges of gun possession when younger…daddy took care of it. Ok elite, wealthy educated and invisible to the law. Elite or not his name will carry a stigma. I am just stating the facts. Also interesting that you think that the girl took advantage of the 2 men in a hotel room??? I believe she is telling the truth. And the many others that have come forward, are they taking advantage also of a vulnerable situation? Very unlikely.

  94. Maria: the reason this made headlines is because of the position of trust they are in. A physician's position of trust is in no comparison to a bartender. As a female would you go to a doctor knowing that he was charged with sexual assault? I think not. Its for the safety of the community and women that this story received all this attention across the country.

  95. Women can take advantage of the situation, Thanavan. I say that as a married woman and have two teenage boys, and whenever they are going out anywhere in a social environment I always give them relevant precautions. What you are stating sounds very gender biased. There has been countless amounts of cases where women later become the accused of such tragedies. Also, you mention many others have come forward? What happened to all that? Was that just a police tactic used to coerce the media and the community. There is a wise saying that states when one block tumbles – all it takes is another snake to pop up and dance : )

    If there are other victims lay charges – simple as that. Dont you think? I dont think the cops really had the right approach on this one, hence, why they brought up 'propaganda'…just my thoughts. Again, if there are other credible victims shouldn't there have been further charges???? Are there? Maybe I'm missing the story.

  96. Good point to the above comment. If I read any story in the media and then saw "2 more come forward" as a headline that automatically triggers my mind to question the initial claim…that's a pretty brutal police tactic…never thought of that….and why hasn't there been anything on the girl yet? she was probably jealous of their careers who knows….let's see

  97. One of the doctors were married with kids….this case makes no sense. A married plastic surgeon gang assault? Yeah right. Surgeons go through endless ethics training and sleep on 1 or 2 hrs, if even that. I highly doubt these professionals would risk all of their education and career work for whatever they have been accused with.

    These two should not have had their identity and mug shots released all over the web. That is very unethical and discriminatory -especially when they were not convicted. This has serious implications ; and it's incredible that this country never releases mug shot images of convicted murders but are head over heels when its people of color "accused" of menial offenses.

    Obviously, Mr.Philip Slaytons retirement book failed to be a New York Time's best seller since he is writing about who hires PR firms in this country.

  98. Agreed, innocent until proven guilty, however many of you are not being impartial at all.  Were any of you THERE?  It’s their word against hers, and if she happens NOT to be lying, then good luck to her in trying to prove her case against 2 doctors with money and what sounds like a mass amount of people who are just attributing this to race or extortion. 
    If this woman had the trust enough in her friends who happen to be doctors — which in a lot of societies provides them with an immediate facade of credibility — maybe they felt they could ‘get away with it’. 
    I knew one of these doctors while I was growing up.  It shocked me to see his name in the news, but then again, how well did I know him then, and I definitely do not know him these days.
    It’s ignorant to think that just because people have had schooling, have credentials, that they have to be innocent. 
    How many cases do you hear about doctors taking advantage of patients, teachers taking advantage of students, police officers, military, the list goes on and on… all of these people are in professions that since we were young, most of us have been taught to ‘trust’. 
    It takes a sick-mind to do the things that these 2 have been charged with.  But are we not stereo-typing to say – they are educated doctors so why would they?  Do all criminals have to be lower in society or uneducated?  What a misconception!
    And to assume that this is race-driven, we’ll never really know.  I believe that it was important to put their photos up, as well as any charged sex-offender in case there are others that could step forward who maybe did not know the name of their offender.  It can definitely bring about false-accusations as well, but that’s for the courts to decide. 
    I agree that they should have a PR firm to assist them if they are indeed found innocent, however, to try to ‘clean up the mess’ while it is still happening just seems dirty and like a pay-off.

  99. Married with kids can mean very little to sex-offenders.  Many lead double-lives.  Their families are shocked, their community is shocked, and their poor kids…

    They have not been convicted yet because they are waiting to go through the courts still.  They have been charged.  They may be innocent, but that’s for the courts to decide.

    Why do you feel that their photos should not be shown?  What if there are others who didn’t know their offenders who could step forward.  This could help the case of the woman who is claiming she was assaulted.  Put yourself in her shoes if she is possibly telling the truth.  It would be very difficult to prove against 2 doctors.  It sounds like you amongst a number of people commenting have already decided their innocence with no proof, and not much logic.

    Oh, and how is sexual assault/gang rape a ‘menial offense’??  It may not be murder, but it is by no means meanial. 


  100. One of the doctors were married with kids….this case makes no sense. A married plastic surgeon gang assault? ” oh that is real evidence.. that you “doubt” it would happen. MAYBE that is exactly why some arrogant fuks would think they could get away with it.. good cover, doctors are worshiped & above the law, married. look down on people of other ethnicity as sub-human?

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