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Ignatieff is getting a lot more attention and ‘better coverage’

But there’s one big thing holding him back


 
Taking his word for it

CP; Reuters

Michael Ignatieff spent his first full week of campaigning doling out gifts. It seemed like there was a new one every day: $4,000 to every student for tuition on Tuesday, $500 million for child care on Friday, and a smattering of renovation tax credits on Sunday, when the Liberal leader unveiled the rest of his plan.

For Stuart Soroka, the McGill University political scientist who runs the Federal Election Newspaper Analysis, it was reminiscent of the early days of Stephen Harper’s 2006 campaign when the Conservatives broke through by using a similar excitement-building rollout. (Maclean’s is publishing results from the newspaper analysis every week until election day. The project tracks which issues get written about and the tone of stories.)

If the Liberals’ plan was to attract attention, it worked. “Not only are they getting more coverage,” says Soroka, citing an increase in Ignatieff’s “first mentions” in news stories—up from 18 to 23 per cent between March 28 to April 2, compared to the previous week; Harper, meanwhile, fell from 68 to 62 per cent—”It’s also better coverage.”

Ignatieff nearly caught up with Harper in the degree of positive coverage in the 794 stories analyzed last week. He scored a “net tone” of 0.94 compared to Harper’s 1.06. That’s a big improvement over the previous week (March 21 to 26) when he was at 0.47, compared to Harper’s 1.04 and Layton’s 1.58. (Layton fell to 1.37 this week; the sample is not big enough to grade Gilles Duceppe.) Net tone is calculated by a computer program that looks at the words found near each leader’s name in a story and, using a dictionary of 6,500 words, determines whether the sentence is negative or positive. Words like “bold” and “rational” might provide a boost, while “condescending” and “unfortunate” could negatively affect a leader’s score. The measure can predict changes in voting intentions with 80 per cent accuracy, says Soroka.

A lot of positive coverage is potentially powerful, and seemed to be swaying voters. A Nanos Research poll conducted after the Liberal platform was unveiled showed the Liberals had narrowed the gap to less than 10 points (39.8 per cent to 30.2 per cent).

What’s still holding the Liberals back, however, can be summed up in a single word: coalition. “It’s almost unbelievable, but the word coalition came up 398 times last week,” says Soroka. “Coalition overshadowed all else.” Although many stories cited Harper’s own past flirtations with opposition parties, polls consistently show that Canadians believe that Ignatieff would strike an alliance if faced with another Harper minority after the May 2 election. Ipsos Reid found that 62 per cent of Canadians believe Harper about the coalition, while just 38 per cent trust Ignatieff. And if Canadians don’t believe Ignatieff when he says “we’ve ruled out a coalition,” they’re likely skeptical about his other promises, too.


 

Ignatieff is getting a lot more attention and ‘better coverage’

  1. Love the graphics, was so nice to see Harpo's consternated disembodied head rolling off the bottom of the page!

    Art imitating life.

  2. "Diisembodied head?" Better watch what you're saying, Adam.

  3. "Diisembodied head?" Better watch what you're saying, Adam.

  4. Oh thanks to Macleans for yet again raising the Coalition question. What – nothing on Contempt? This should feed into the Torytrolls just fine.

  5. Oh thanks to Macleans for yet again raising the Coalition question. What – nothing on Contempt? This should feed into the Torytrolls just fine.

    • If you wish to try to shift the election focus off "coalition", rather than petulantly blaming Macleans, why don't you urge Mr. Ignatieff to deny, not just that he's prepared to form a coalition, but that he'd even entertain any offers from Layton & Duceppe to usurp power in the event of another CPC minority. Rest assured, nothing short of that will make the "coalition" talk go away. Notwithstanding this, I won't hold my breath.

      • I Still fail to see what would be so bad about a coalition – frankly, it would actually represent MORE Canadians than if a minority government was in power again. It is a perfectly legitimate part of our democratic system.

        • Then I encourage you to urge Mr. Ignatieff to stop treating "coalition" like a hot potato – tell him to embrace it and make it his – think of how stark the contrast that will then emerge between the parliamentary contemptuous CPC and the purveyors of pure, unadulterated democracy, the LibDP-Bloc'ers.

        • Nothing wrong with the Libs and Dips merging and running on a clear platform. The problem is with the Bloc. They, who clearly don't care about anything outside Quebec's borders, will hold the balance of power and influence in this tri-fecta, holding the rest of Canada ransom.

          • Once again I'll point out that the only way the Bloc will hold the balance of power is if the CPC remains obstinate and refuses to cooperate in anything.

          • That'll be an intersting balancing act for the libs; keeping the dippers happy [ no coalition need of course] while trying to govern insuch a way as to compel the cons to look like they're voting against the interests of the country should they decide to side with a recalcitrant Bloc. Presumably this would only come up at points of NC.
            The real wild card is whether SH decides to stay on – if he does what are the odds his considerable talents will be bent solely on reaquiring power? The other point to consider is that the libs are best served by not entering a formal coalition with the NDP.This would give them much more flexibility to govern issue by issue[ thankyou Mr H], inclusive of the tories. To do that it would be necessary to have a strong minority though…i guess it's all in how the numbers pan out?

          • You mean the way that the Reform/Alliance party & their backers currently hold all the power with the 'Harper' govt!

          • You know, I really get tired of the finger pointing only towards the Conservatives when it comes to being uncooperative and obstinate. The Liberals must of thought "Opposition" party means opposing anything. The way I see it, over the years the Liberals and NDP have been tieing up any and pretty much all bills in the house, they refused the budget without even looking at it. Why does that sit ok with so many? What a monstrous waste of time. The little red party are not the victims or angels the delusional left and media try to portray.

          • You seem to think the opposition should just roll over and rubber-stamp whatever the CPC puts forth.

            While I grant that some of the noise from the oposition was points-scoring noise, a great deal of it was justified. And remember, the CPC was defeated over contempt (first time EVER in Canadian history), not the budget.

            That said, a lot of bills were passed, and those that were held up were held up in order to improve them.

            Equally important to remember: a great many bills were held up by the needless election call in 2008 (by Harper, remember), and by proroguing the house. Bills in progress on each of those occasions had to be reintroduced and started through the two houses again, at taxpayers' expense.

            I'm betting that, were someone take the time to do a count, more bills have been stalled and delayed by Harper himself than by the opposition.

          • The Conservatives have relied on the Bloc sometimes. Working with the Bloc should be judged on a case by case basis. Let's try to have a more reasonable approach to politics. I'm sick of Harper's hyperbole about "socialists" and "separatists". Tired of all the hostility.

        • The Liberals would need the Bloc's 46 seats (a party which represents Quebecs narrow interests not the majority of Canadians) to form a coalition. It's not likely that the Grits will pick up that many seats. A coalition would represent less Canadians then a minority CPC government.

          • "A coalition would represent less Canadians then a minority CPC government."

            A little early for that prediction, my friend! If the CPC loses seats and the Libs / NDP gain them, it might just end up that the center/left parties combined will have more (without the BQ).I know you don't THINK it can happen, but it is not impossible.

        • I agree that a coalition is not necessarily undemocratic, but we have a unique situation in Canada. One of the parties that would need to be a party to said coalition is set on breaking up the country. At the very least, they will milk the situation strongly to their own advantage, not caring at all about the ROC. The other small party involved is avowedly socialist, which as well would have much more power than it is used to, and spend like a drunken sailor. The Liberals would just be along for the ride, and soon realize that the fringe parties were running the show. On paper it would appear to represent more Canadians, but the truth would be the opposite. Our historical way of minority gov't's works better, and represents the people better.

      • why don't you urge Mr. Ignatieff to deny, not just that he's prepared to form a coalition, but that he'd even entertain any offers from Layton & Duceppe to usurp power in the event of another CPC minority

        Ignatieff has said no to a coalition, but he has not said no to forming a Liberal minority government supported on an issue-by-issue basis by one or more opposition parties. Nor should he.

        Although the Conservatives are trying to spread the idea that the government of Canada always has to include the party that won the most seats, the truth is that any party – regardless of seat count – can govern under the Westminster system if it has the confidence of the House. And the Liberals may be asked to govern if the following quite likely sequence of events happens: (a) the Conservatives win another minority; (b) they attempt to introduce exactly the same budget they did last time; (c) they go down to defeat again.

        Of course, the Conservatives will likely to try to call any Liberal-led government a "coalition", even if the cabinet consists entirely of Liberals.

        • Your post is really just Andrew Coyne redux:
          http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/03/27/iggys-continui….

          It is not contentious that a coalition is different than "a Liberal minority government supported on an issue-by-issue basis by one or more opposition parties" and that Harper/the CPC are disingenuous in suggesting otherwise. That is not the point. The point, rather, is that, Harper has painted Ignatieff into the corner – Ignatieff can either (a) admit he would be receptive to seizing power otherwise than through a coalition, but explain that doing so would be "different", lest anti-coalition Canadians take offense or (b) deny he would be so receptive, which by necessary implication means the Libs would accept another CPC minority and make no attempt to force yet another election for some reasonable period of time.

          There is also (c) – stick his head in the ground and hope Harper lays off all the "coalition" talk. As this appears to be the present strategy, I'd suggest it's not particularly helpful for the likes of Out There to keep bringing it up.

          • "Your post is really just Andrew Coyne redux:" … and what's wrong with that?

        • Although the Conservatives are trying to spread the idea that the government of Canada always has to include the party that won the most seats…

          You are wrong, but you are by no means alone. Harper has repeatedly said "It's a Conservative majority, or a coalition." He has REPEATEDLY stated that opposition parties could conspire to overturn a Conservative plurality if it is not a majority. He is thus repeatedly conceding the legitimacy of a coalition of smaller parties ganging up on the CPC. Where in all that do you see his idea that the government always has to include the party that won the most seats?

          • Personally I know that any one can form a coalition but I do not like the idea of forming a coalition with the losing parties, it is just wrong , then they can do it at anytime, why the hell vote then? It isn't democratic at all, is not the will of the people.

          • They can't do it at anytime. A majority government takes care of it.

          • Haha I know : )

          • Why would the winning party need to form a coalition?

            (BTW, I was tempted to leave in my typo of 'wining' for 'winning' :-) but it should be 'whining'.)

          • Look at the difference between "plurality"and "majority" for an answer to your question.

          • I agree partially with MYL said because that's the way it works, personally, I feel it should be left alone, I feel that coalition is the "iN" word but I hate it : )

    • The media and other Liberals are doing a fairly good, although dishonest job at trying to pretend the Liberals and Separatists won't try and seize [power at the first opportunity, but of course they will. Thats why Duceppe is campaigning for the Seperatists and the Liberals at the same time. The mantra is- a necessary coalition, not necessarily called a coalition. A coalition by any other name.

  6. "Art imitating life?" Let's hope not. Disembodied heads rolling are all to common these days.

  7. "Art imitating life?" Let's hope not. Disembodied heads rolling are all to common these days.

  8. So let me get this right: the "net tone" indicated above shows that Harper is getting more positive coverage than Ignatieff?

    That doesn't mesh very well with the "all MSM is out to get us" message I'm hearing from a certain cadre of party faithful.

  9. If you wish to try to shift the election focus off "coalition", rather than petulantly blaming Macleans, why don't you urge Mr. Ignatieff to deny, not just that he's prepared to form a coalition, but that he'd even entertain any offers from Layton & Duceppe to usurp power in the event of another CPC minority. Rest assured, nothing short of that will make the "coalition" talk go away. Notwithstanding this, I won't hold my breath.

  10. I don't doubt at all that Harper and the Conservatives are being treated much more fairly in the local press than by the Parliamentry Gallery and Toronto center of the universe crowd. Probably the same on the local broadcast level – as opposed to the MSM broadcast national coverage, whch is not measured.
    Big question now will be the costing of all the promises now that platforms are being wheeled out. And I sure hope an independant group handles that.

  11. I don't doubt at all that Harper and the Conservatives are being treated much more fairly in the local press than by the Parliamentry Gallery and Toronto center of the universe crowd. Probably the same on the local broadcast level – as opposed to the MSM broadcast national coverage, whch is not measured.
    Big question now will be the costing of all the promises now that platforms are being wheeled out. And I sure hope an independant group handles that.

  12. I Still fail to see what would be so bad about a coalition – frankly, it would actually represent MORE Canadians than if a minority government was in power again. It is a perfectly legitimate part of our democratic system.

  13. Ignatieff is drawing big crowds at his rallies, apparently 900 in Hamilton today. I think something is amiss with these polls, I just don't get it – you see pictures of Ignatieff's crowds, with Harper the photos are mostly of him.

  14. Ignatieff is drawing big crowds at his rallies, apparently 900 in Hamilton today. I think something is amiss with these polls, I just don't get it – you see pictures of Ignatieff's crowds, with Harper the photos are mostly of him.

    • Would this be because the Conservative rallies require pre-registration and screening, whereas anybody can show up at a Liberal rally if they want to?

    • I keep hoping that it's because the youth voters aren't easily reached by pollsters (do any of them have landlines?).

      Sadly, they also frequently don't vote. So their voting intentions wouldn't matter either way.

      I'm hoping that the youth vote will organize this year and stun everyone! :)

  15. Then I encourage you to urge Mr. Ignatieff to stop treating "coalition" like a hot potato – tell him to embrace it and make it his – think of how stark the contrast that will then emerge between the parliamentary contemptuous CPC and the purveyors of pure, unadulterated democracy, the LibDP-Bloc'ers.

  16. why don't you urge Mr. Ignatieff to deny, not just that he's prepared to form a coalition, but that he'd even entertain any offers from Layton & Duceppe to usurp power in the event of another CPC minority

    Ignatieff has said no to a coalition, but he has not said no to forming a Liberal minority government supported on an issue-by-issue basis by one or more opposition parties. Nor should he.

    Although the Conservatives are trying to spread the idea that the government of Canada always has to include the party that won the most seats, the truth is that any party – regardless of seat count – can govern under the Westminster system if it has the confidence of the House. And the Liberals may be asked to govern if the following quite likely sequence of events happens: (a) the Conservatives win another minority; (b) they attempt to introduce exactly the same budget they did last time; (c) they go down to defeat again.

    Of course, the Conservatives will likely to try to call any Liberal-led government a "coalition", even if the cabinet consists entirely of Liberals.

  17. Would this be because the Conservative rallies require pre-registration and screening, whereas anybody can show up at a Liberal rally if they want to?

  18. Nothing wrong with the Libs and Dips merging and running on a clear platform. The problem is with the Bloc. They, who clearly don't care about anything outside Quebec's borders, will hold the balance of power and influence in this tri-fecta, holding the rest of Canada ransom.

  19. That's because the message doesn't have be rooted in fact.

    Facts are a terrible thing – just ask Stats Can! ;)

  20. That's because the message doesn't have be rooted in fact.

    Facts are a terrible thing – just ask Stats Can! ;)

    • I can just imagine how quickly Statcan would see their funding reduced if they started tracking the partisanship of news articles.

  21. I keep hoping that it's because the youth voters aren't easily reached by pollsters (do any of them have landlines?).

    Sadly, they also frequently don't vote. So their voting intentions wouldn't matter either way.

    I'm hoping that the youth vote will organize this year and stun everyone! :)

  22. Once again I'll point out that the only way the Bloc will hold the balance of power is if the CPC remains obstinate and refuses to cooperate in anything.

  23. I can just imagine how quickly Statcan would see their funding reduced if they started tracking the partisanship of news articles.

  24. The McGill proff. fails to see how the Star, CBC,CTV and G&M, are lambasting the Conservatives and ignoring all Liberal gaffes.

    Is this how Ignatief is getting “better coverage”?

    Or is the media’s agenda to take down the Conservatives more “white noise”?

  25. The McGill proff. fails to see how the Star, CBC,CTV and G&M, are lambasting the Conservatives and ignoring all Liberal gaffes.

    Is this how Ignatief is getting “better coverage”?

    Or is the media’s agenda to take down the Conservatives more “white noise”?

    • I don't think CBC or CTV are being unfair to one or the other leader or party. Perhaps there are more gaffs reported on Harper because he commits more of them

      • Go to the CBC's website, read the headlines, and come back and post whether you still believe that. Not sure about CTV.

      • where have you been Bruno? The shameful bias of especially our tax paid for CBC is sick. Yesterday, CBC's comment section was mysteriously broken for the Liberal negative stories, but funny enough, the Conservative story on the 2 girls escorted out was open for business and comments galore. The pathetic, childlike games that have been played for years, are even bolder and more blatant. I want to have a choice in funding CBC or not.

    • I think the problem is largely one of perception – yours, that is. The article clearly says Harper is getting significantly more coverage than Ignatieff – and that's certainly how it seems to me (much to my chagrin).

      I've been reading posts like yours from CPC supporters since the election campaigning started, and they didn't jibe at all with my experience of media reports. This article sets Harper's coverage somewhat higher than I would have guessed – but not by much.

      I guess ANY Ignatieff coverage qualifies as too much, in the eyes of some people. Likewise, any coverage of Harper that isn't completely fawning and worshipful is "left-wing". Puhleeeze! Lay of the blue koolaid for a bit and try to get some perspective.

  26. Here's more Coverage. Happy campaigning Iggy.

    "Fillibuster launched by Liberal senators kills a key bill that would have better protected children from sexual predators.

    "But one bill died that could have been passed — had Canada's Liberal senators wanted it to.

    Bill C-54 was known as the Protecting Children from Sexual Predators Act.

    It was going to bring in seven new mandatory minimum sentences for sexual crimes against children, it was going to increase the mandatory minimums on a slew of others."

    "Senator Pamela Wallin wondered "why any party wants to be against" stronger child sexual assault laws, especially going into a campaign." "It's bizarre behavior," she said.

  27. Here's more Coverage. Happy campaigning Iggy.

    "Fillibuster launched by Liberal senators kills a key bill that would have better protected children from sexual predators.

    "But one bill died that could have been passed — had Canada's Liberal senators wanted it to.

    Bill C-54 was known as the Protecting Children from Sexual Predators Act.

    It was going to bring in seven new mandatory minimum sentences for sexual crimes against children, it was going to increase the mandatory minimums on a slew of others."

    "Senator Pamela Wallin wondered "why any party wants to be against" stronger child sexual assault laws, especially going into a campaign." "It's bizarre behavior," she said.

    • Just when did Wallin become such a partisan?

  28. That'll be an intersting balancing act for the libs; keeping the dippers happy [ no coalition need of course] while trying to govern insuch a way as to compel the cons to look like they're voting against the interests of the country should they decide to side with a recalcitrant Bloc. Presumably this would only come up at points of NC.
    The real wild card is whether SH decides to stay on – if he does what are the odds his considerable talents will be bent solely on reaquiring power? The other point to consider is that the libs are best served by not entering a formal coalition with the NDP.This would give them much more flexibility to govern issue by issue[ thankyou Mr H], inclusive of the tories. To do that it would be necessary to have a strong minority though…i guess it's all in how the numbers pan out?

  29. The Conservatives have relied on the Bloc sometimes. Working with the Bloc should be judged on a case by case basis. Let's try to have a more reasonable approach to politics. I'm sick of Harper's hyperbole about "socialists" and "separatists". Tired of all the hostility.

  30. .I never thought Canadians could be so gullible and easily deceived but they believe anything that comes out of Harper's mouth. They also believe it when.he tells them he has the economy on the road to recovery when the facts show they can't ever do a cost estimate on a defense procurement. When someone lies habitually about everything else what makes people think he's telling the truth about the economy?

  31. .I never thought Canadians could be so gullible and easily deceived but they believe anything that comes out of Harper's mouth. They also believe it when.he tells them he has the economy on the road to recovery when the facts show they can't ever do a cost estimate on a defense procurement. When someone lies habitually about everything else what makes people think he's telling the truth about the economy?

    • It isn't as much Harpers mouth as it is how our Parliament works, if coalitions weren't part of our Westminster style Parliament, what comes out of his mouth wouldn't work.

      • Claudia, I don't think Michael is just talking about the "coalition" rant.

        Harper's very first act as PM were to break two of his promises: he appointed a senator and allowed a just-elected Liberal cross the floor, in order to have them both in his cabinet. I'm sure that's a record of some sort. And he and his cadre have amassed a list of broken promises, bone-headed decisions and pending trials / criminal investigations that are far too long to attempt to document here.

        I don't know why people on the right have such an abject fear of the possibility of Liberals working with the NDP, but I kno why the rest of us don't want a Harper majority: his record to date. If it were of the old, vinyl LP type, it would be so scratched and dirty as to be unplayable.

        • Oh I know he was talking about all the evil of Harper's government.
          .
          But let's be honest here it is about how much he hates Harper, not about what he has done, it is fair those are hios feelings.

          I do have a problem with a coalition being formed with the losing parties, it's not democratic in my opinion, let's put it the other way around, Iggy has 152 seat a few short of a majority, and Harper forms a coalition with NDP, how would you feel about that? Like I said before to me it isn't about the parties, it is the coalition itself that bothers me, If Iggy wins fair and square (majority or minority) I am ok with it because that's the will of the people, If Harper had tried in 2004 he wouldn't be PM today so he can thank his lucky stars for that break.

          • I would obviously prefer Iggy to win, rather than strike a deal with other parties.

            And no, I would not be overly happy if Harper came in second and formed a coalition with the NDP. But you know what? That's how our parliamentary system works; unhappy though it might make me, you wouldn't hear me going on with all the "illegitimate" BS that the CPC keeps spouting.

            I thought the coalition deal in 2008 – depending as it did on the pledge of support from the BQ – was politically unwise; I sincerely think Iggy thought so too. He was clearly hesitant to sign on, and did not follow through after Dion was dumped. They would have been wiser following the path Harper had mapped out in his own earlier deal: threaten a vote of non-confidence and a visit to the GG with a pledge of support from the other two opposition parties. But we can't undo history…

          • Pt 2…

            Barring some huge scandal between now and May 2, I don't see a Liberal majority. I genuinely think a Harper majority would give us the worst, most corrupt and morally bankrupt government in our history, based on what Harper & Co have done with the check of a minority government to hold them back. So I'm hoping for another minority government, and hoping that prompts enough of a shakeup in both parties that we have someone worth voting for running at least one of them by next election.

          • I appreciate your opinion but I see it differently, I believe he can pull it off, make a better smaller federal government, however, he needs to be straight and more transparent because he is truly his worst enemy.

            And I do agree about Ignatieff being reluctant to sign the coalition.

          • Just watched the debate; as much as I hate to admit it, Harper came off best. If I was your average voter, not that in tune with the day-to-day politics in this country, I could easily see myself being swayed by his performance tonight.

            Sigh!

            I just hope he can be held to a minority; given what he's done to democracy in this country with the restrictions a minority imposes, the thought of Harper with the gloves off horrifies me.

          • I did actually ached for ignatieff, it has to be very humbling for him this experience, but he was much better on the french one.

            What I don't get with the LPC is their bad strategy, what's the rush? they should concentrate on being the best opposition there could be and they wouldn't being struggling now, they have to stop tomake Harper their focus, doesn't mean to not keeping an eye on him but stop counting on his mistakes to give them a chance, they need to focus on their strenghts and reinvigorate the party IMO.

            I think Harper will be a very consequential PM but he has to smarten up the reason why he has gotten away with crap it has been because lousy opposition, he is a very polorizing figure it will be like Trudeau half people loves him the other half hates him.

    • Speaking of gullible… So vote for the Adscam party, or vote for the Separatists, or don't vote for either and they'll seize power anyhow. You seem like a bit of a nit wit regurgitating Liberal/Separatist/NDP talking points on issues you clearly know nothing about. Or perhaps you are the perpetual liar.

    • Gullible Canadians? Heck, they fell for the first Liberal "Red Book" in '93, didn't they? End of the GST? I can't beleive anyone expects them to fall for it again.

  32. So Ignatieff needs to move the meme from coalition to contempt. I don't think he's doing that hard enough yet, although the revelations of Harper's hypocrisy must help.He should be pounding on this, not leaving the field open for Harper so much. Hopefully his plan is to bomb Harper[ along with Layton and Duceppe] during the debates.But he shouldn't put all his eggs in one basket; and they need to be careful it doesn't inadvertently create a sort of ad hoc coalition ganging up on Capt. Canada Steve impression.

  33. So Ignatieff needs to move the meme from coalition to contempt. I don't think he's doing that hard enough yet, although the revelations of Harper's hypocrisy must help.He should be pounding on this, not leaving the field open for Harper so much. Hopefully his plan is to bomb Harper[ along with Layton and Duceppe] during the debates.But he shouldn't put all his eggs in one basket; and they need to be careful it doesn't inadvertently create a sort of ad hoc coalition ganging up on Capt. Canada Steve impression.

    • Contempt won't work with most voters, and NO MATTER what he does he won't win or have major gains to the party, as I said before it is strategy is what going to make Harper get a majority and mark my words he will get it. This has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal is just pure strategy that is genius.
      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/seco

      Sorry I hope we still friends : )

      • Sure we're still friends:)

        I just hope you'll be able to bear up when he doesn't get it – Again!!

        Harper's a brilliant tactician. But IMO he isn't so hot on the strategic side.

        It'll be ineteresting to see if MI has learned anything about either. My feeling is he has. Whether it's enough is anyone's guess.

        • I am a strong woman, I will be fine, but he will get it : )

          I am sure Ignatieff has learned a thing or two but it's too late, look at the date already, he has 24 for days, it will require a miracle to change it.

          This election is for Harper to lose not for Iggy to win, he can cross his fingers and hope that Harper will screw up somewhere so he get's a shot. The debate, I am almost positive Harper will win they can't compare, as much as people thinks Iggy will own it, I am not so sure.

          But mostly I am looking forward to some stability and getting the ball rolling.

      • Claudia – I hope you are right. :)

        • I am : ) I know I sound too cocky but strategy, discipline and focus has rewards.

      • I have been thinking about it an I think I have realized why the contempt thing is not a big issue with the voters. We have grown to accept it. We know that politicians won't fulfill all the promises that they have, and will not always do what they say. The current contempt thing was given with mostly Liberal oversight, and people know that. Had this been a majority gov't, it wouldn't even be an issue. Had this been a minority gov't with less hostility, it wouldn't have been an issue. We all know what happens in Ottawa, and we are used to it.
        It is kind of like the detainee thing, most Canadian's didn't care. The opposition tried to make it out to be a huge thing, but we just didn't care. I hope that Iggy harps on 'contempt', and gets slammed on coalition and spending.

        • Sorry my friend but you're projecting – mostly. Three contempts of parliament is unprecendented. The contempt means nothing; Just like the prorogation issue meant nothing. Most decent pundits eg., Wells, Coyne, Hebert all pretty mch take the view that it did hurt SH.
          As for the detainee issue – it's underwraps at the moment. But it's still smouldering and threatening to flare up again – after the 15th i believe; according to Duccepe at any rate.

          • Contempt of parliament for a bad project forecast? C'mon. Withthat standard, Jean Chretien would have been fond in contempt lots of times – $220M for the gin registry turns into $2B. Contemptuous, isn't it?

          • Sorry, 'bout the spelling "Found" That's gun not gin (kinda funny error, though eh?)

      • "Contempt won't work with most voters" – that is a sad measure of our populace, that they don't care about Harper's contempt for the very institution he runs; that they don't care a whit about the corrupt behaviour of his party; that they LIKE it so much that they want to give him more power so he can screw us over altogether.

        I think you have fallen for his "fear and loathing" meme; I thought you wre brighter than that.

        • The same way they didn't connect with the Afghan detainee, the census, it is not something that they care for the LPC can try to spin it any way they can, it won't matter, weather is right or wrong, as long as there isn't any money stuffed in envelopes, they'll pass on it. You don't like it because you despise Harper but most people doesn't have those kind of feelings, he does the deserve the contempt charge but so would a lot of other leaders whom just got away by having a majority more recently Chretien and I did voted for him everytime.

          I haven't fallen for anything I will vote for him because I trust him a lot more than I trust ignatieff he has no vision or instincts for Canada. His platform it's lame at best.

  34. Your post is really just Andrew Coyne redux:
    http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/03/27/iggys-continui….

    It is not contentious that a coalition is different than "a Liberal minority government supported on an issue-by-issue basis by one or more opposition parties" and that Harper/the CPC are disingenuous in suggesting otherwise. That is not the point. The point, rather, is that, Harper has painted Ignatieff into the corner – Ignatieff can either (a) admit he would be receptive to seizing power otherwise than through a coalition, but explain that doing so would be "different", lest anti-coalition Canadians take offense or (b) deny he would be so receptive, which by necessary implication means the Libs would accept another CPC minority and make no attempt to force yet another election for some reasonable period of time.

    There is also (c) – stick his head in the ground and hope Harper lays off all the "coalition" talk. As this appears to be the present strategy, I'd suggest it's not particularly helpful for the likes of Out There to keep bringing it up.

  35. The Liberals would need the Bloc's 46 seats (a party which represents Quebecs narrow interests not the majority of Canadians) to form a coalition. It's not likely that the Grits will pick up that many seats. A coalition would represent less Canadians then a minority CPC government.

  36. We already have a coalition….Reform/Alliance/Conservative..unfortunately the Conservatives don't know what hit them. When Mr. H. tried a coalition when his RAC party was in trouble (with NDP, Bloc) they rejected him. He cannot be trusted with our vote. Canadians can no longer afford the Harper govt.

  37. We already have a coalition….Reform/Alliance/Conservative..unfortunately the Conservatives don't know what hit them. When Mr. H. tried a coalition when his RAC party was in trouble (with NDP, Bloc) they rejected him. He cannot be trusted with our vote. Canadians can no longer afford the Harper govt.

    • By definition, I have seen no proof that Harper tried a coalition with anyone. A coalition would mean all of the parties sharing power, and having MP's as ministers. Nothing like that was ever proposed by Harper.

    • Reform/Alliance/Conservative it's a merger not a coalition.

  38. The truth is the Liberals have put forth more crime fighting bills and had them passed (in Harper's time). When Harper shut down Parliament the LAST time, a bill was on the table that would have given serial killer/sexual predator & child porn freak, Col. Russell Williams double the sentence he got. Thanks to Harper.he only got l/2 the sentence because the bill was killed by his shutting down Parliament…way to go on law & order. Harper MPs leave sensitive national security documents (one for biker chick & her biker friends; 2 unlocked in car – stolen) thanks Harper!

  39. You mean the way that the Reform/Alliance party & their backers currently hold all the power with the 'Harper' govt!

  40. Although the Conservatives are trying to spread the idea that the government of Canada always has to include the party that won the most seats…

    You are wrong, but you are by no means alone. Harper has repeatedly said "It's a Conservative majority, or a coalition." He has REPEATEDLY stated that opposition parties could conspire to overturn a Conservative plurality if it is not a majority. He is thus repeatedly conceding the legitimacy of a coalition of smaller parties ganging up on the CPC. Where in all that do you see his idea that the government always has to include the party that won the most seats?

  41. I don't think CBC or CTV are being unfair to one or the other leader or party. Perhaps there are more gaffs reported on Harper because he commits more of them

  42. Personally I know that any one can form a coalition but I do not like the idea of forming a coalition with the losing parties, it is just wrong , then they can do it at anytime, why the hell vote then? It isn't democratic at all, is not the will of the people.

  43. It isn't as much Harpers mouth as it is how our Parliament works, if coalitions weren't part of our Westminster style Parliament, what comes out of his mouth wouldn't work.

  44. They can't do it at anytime. A majority government takes care of it.

  45. Contempt won't work with most voters, and NO MATTER what he does he won't win or have major gains to the party, as I said before it is strategy is what going to make Harper get a majority and mark my words he will get it. This has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal is just pure strategy that is genius.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/seco

    Sorry I hope we still friends : )

  46. Haha I know : )

  47. Stephen Harper is a very Honorable man!! he doesn't deserve the slagging hes getting in the comments here.Do any of you think you could steer a Canada thru a terrible recession and have the economy doing so well. Give credit where credit is due!!

  48. Stephen Harper is a very Honorable man!! he doesn't deserve the slagging hes getting in the comments here.Do any of you think you could steer a Canada thru a terrible recession and have the economy doing so well. Give credit where credit is due!!

    • If you're handing out credit for financial management, please send it where it is due – to Paul Martin.

      • All that Paul Martin did was take increased revenue from EI, and use it as general revenue. In essence, used our money to make himself look good.

        • Unemployment was much lower then than today, and a large percentage of the fund was not being used. Martin earned high praise at the time for effecient reallocation.

          HINT – he did not use it to solely benefit the Conservative party by securing votes.

      • you know thats not true

    • Goody: Which part of Stephen Harper is honourable?
      HE was found in CONTEMPT of Parliament?
      He has people who don't share his identical view thrown out of his rallies?
      He allows only two questions per day in eng and two in french from the media?
      He controls what his Ministers say – they announce a press release and refuse any follow up questions….
      He spent over a billion dollars on G20 security including a fake lake during a recession!
      AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

      • maybe if you were a little more open minded you could see thru all the manufactured scandals

        • I'm extremely open-minded – I believe it's the Conservative followers known for their narrow-mindness.

          • I meant guest69 knows its not true that Paul Matin deserves credit for the economy

          • Well it certainly isn't Harper and Flaherty – they were all set to deregulate theCanadian banks and make them more like the Americans (had even started it with 0-down, 35-yr mortgages, which they have since backed off on somewhat) when the bottom dropped out. Suddenly, instead of continuing with their plans, thay started touting the Canadian banks as a model for the world. I wonder who set those banking regs? Not Harper!

          • All manufactured by the opposition

  49. If you're handing out credit for financial management, please send it where it is due – to Paul Martin.

  50. The media and other Liberals are doing a fairly good, although dishonest job at trying to pretend the Liberals and Separatists won't try and seize [power at the first opportunity, but of course they will. Thats why Duceppe is campaigning for the Seperatists and the Liberals at the same time. The mantra is- a necessary coalition, not necessarily called a coalition. A coalition by any other name.

  51. Just when did Wallin become such a partisan?

  52. Sure we're still friends:)

    I just hope you'll be able to bear up when he doesn't get it – Again!!

    Harper's a brilliant tactician. But IMO he isn't so hot on the strategic side.

    It'll be ineteresting to see if MI has learned anything about either. My feeling is he has. Whether it's enough is anyone's guess.

  53. Speaking of gullible… So vote for the Adscam party, or vote for the Separatists, or don't vote for either and they'll seize power anyhow. You seem like a bit of a nit wit regurgitating Liberal/Separatist/NDP talking points on issues you clearly know nothing about. Or perhaps you are the perpetual liar.

  54. So is Mcleans is now part of the liberal love in,the media is the real enemy of Canada, its quite plain what the media in Canada is trying to do,we saw it down south in 08 with Obama and we all know how well thats worked out for the US.LOL No mention of iggy's Cap & Trade to again come after the west, the only part of the country that's stands up for the counrty as a whole,but after this election that may change.So we'll have a situation where the liberal media is partly responsible for the break up of the country.Mcleans is starting to look a lot like the g&m,liberal losers one and all.Canadians need to remember liberals are crimnals and Alberta and Saskatchewan will not sit down and take it anylonger,so vote with that in mind Ontario,you may be paying Quebec's bill all by yourself,that's if mcguinty hasn't completly bankrupted you by than,what is mcguinty again,right liberal,just think what mcguinty's policy's could do for Canada.

  55. So is Mcleans is now part of the liberal love in,the media is the real enemy of Canada, its quite plain what the media in Canada is trying to do,we saw it down south in 08 with Obama and we all know how well thats worked out for the US.LOL No mention of iggy's Cap & Trade to again come after the west, the only part of the country that's stands up for the counrty as a whole,but after this election that may change.So we'll have a situation where the liberal media is partly responsible for the break up of the country.Mcleans is starting to look a lot like the g&m,liberal losers one and all.Canadians need to remember liberals are crimnals and Alberta and Saskatchewan will not sit down and take it anylonger,so vote with that in mind Ontario,you may be paying Quebec's bill all by yourself,that's if mcguinty hasn't completly bankrupted you by than,what is mcguinty again,right liberal,just think what mcguinty's policy's could do for Canada.

  56. The MSM go beyond just being Liberal partisans, the MSM are openly campaigning for the Liberals. The MSM are corrupt to the core. Paul Wells had a piece yesterday, that has mysteriously disappeared, where he mused about his fellow "reporters" being "annoyed" at the fact that American Iggo can't seem to close the gap between himself and the Conservatives. Why would, as Wells has said, "reporters" be "annoyed" at the Liberals not being able to close the gap? Because they have been openly campaigning for the American candidate and running hysterical smear campaigns against the Conservatives, apparently to little to no effect in the polls. The stark contrast in MSM coverage is obvious and illustrates the clear bias and the Liberal "culture of corruption" encrusted within the MSM.

  57. The MSM go beyond just being Liberal partisans, the MSM are openly campaigning for the Liberals. The MSM are corrupt to the core. Paul Wells had a piece yesterday, that has mysteriously disappeared, where he mused about his fellow "reporters" being "annoyed" at the fact that American Iggo can't seem to close the gap between himself and the Conservatives. Why would, as Wells has said, "reporters" be "annoyed" at the Liberals not being able to close the gap? Because they have been openly campaigning for the American candidate and running hysterical smear campaigns against the Conservatives, apparently to little to no effect in the polls. The stark contrast in MSM coverage is obvious and illustrates the clear bias and the Liberal "culture of corruption" encrusted within the MSM.

  58. Goody: Which part of Stephen Harper is honourable?
    HE was found in CONTEMPT of Parliament?
    He has people who don't share his identical view thrown out of his rallies?
    He allows only two questions per day in eng and two in french from the media?
    He controls what his Ministers say – they announce a press release and refuse any follow up questions….
    He spent over a billion dollars on G20 security including a fake lake during a recession!
    AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

  59. Claudia – I hope you are right. :)

  60. By definition, I have seen no proof that Harper tried a coalition with anyone. A coalition would mean all of the parties sharing power, and having MP's as ministers. Nothing like that was ever proposed by Harper.

  61. All that Paul Martin did was take increased revenue from EI, and use it as general revenue. In essence, used our money to make himself look good.

  62. Go to the CBC's website, read the headlines, and come back and post whether you still believe that. Not sure about CTV.

  63. I agree that a coalition is not necessarily undemocratic, but we have a unique situation in Canada. One of the parties that would need to be a party to said coalition is set on breaking up the country. At the very least, they will milk the situation strongly to their own advantage, not caring at all about the ROC. The other small party involved is avowedly socialist, which as well would have much more power than it is used to, and spend like a drunken sailor. The Liberals would just be along for the ride, and soon realize that the fringe parties were running the show. On paper it would appear to represent more Canadians, but the truth would be the opposite. Our historical way of minority gov't's works better, and represents the people better.

  64. Does everybody miss this: "Michael Ignatieff spent his first full week of campaigning doling out gifts. It seemed like there was a new one every day:"
    This guy wants to buy our votes, with our money, that we don't really have. I am tired of asking our kids to pay for our spending. I thought that the Liberals were trying to be fiscally responsible, but I guess I was wrong.
    This shouldn't surprise me. A guy who didn't care about Canada until he thought that he could be PM, promising money we don't have, putting our kids in more debt. . . . so he can try to become PM. Good for him if it works . . . just bad for us.

  65. Does everybody miss this: "Michael Ignatieff spent his first full week of campaigning doling out gifts. It seemed like there was a new one every day:"
    This guy wants to buy our votes, with our money, that we don't really have. I am tired of asking our kids to pay for our spending. I thought that the Liberals were trying to be fiscally responsible, but I guess I was wrong.
    This shouldn't surprise me. A guy who didn't care about Canada until he thought that he could be PM, promising money we don't have, putting our kids in more debt. . . . so he can try to become PM. Good for him if it works . . . just bad for us.

    • Best of luck in your search for a fiscally-responsible political party. If you find one, let me know.

      • That is one of my arguments against a minority gov't. I am hoping with a majority the conservatives won't have to give so much away to get support on bills. Like I said, hoping – but with the other parties, I have no hope.

  66. I am a strong woman, I will be fine, but he will get it : )

    I am sure Ignatieff has learned a thing or two but it's too late, look at the date already, he has 24 for days, it will require a miracle to change it.

    This election is for Harper to lose not for Iggy to win, he can cross his fingers and hope that Harper will screw up somewhere so he get's a shot. The debate, I am almost positive Harper will win they can't compare, as much as people thinks Iggy will own it, I am not so sure.

    But mostly I am looking forward to some stability and getting the ball rolling.

  67. I am : ) I know I sound too cocky but strategy, discipline and focus has rewards.

  68. maybe if you were a little more open minded you could see thru all the manufactured scandals

  69. you know thats not true

  70. I have been thinking about it an I think I have realized why the contempt thing is not a big issue with the voters. We have grown to accept it. We know that politicians won't fulfill all the promises that they have, and will not always do what they say. The current contempt thing was given with mostly Liberal oversight, and people know that. Had this been a majority gov't, it wouldn't even be an issue. Had this been a minority gov't with less hostility, it wouldn't have been an issue. We all know what happens in Ottawa, and we are used to it.
    It is kind of like the detainee thing, most Canadian's didn't care. The opposition tried to make it out to be a huge thing, but we just didn't care. I hope that Iggy harps on 'contempt', and gets slammed on coalition and spending.

  71. You know, I really get tired of the finger pointing only towards the Conservatives when it comes to being uncooperative and obstinate. The Liberals must of thought "Opposition" party means opposing anything. The way I see it, over the years the Liberals and NDP have been tieing up any and pretty much all bills in the house, they refused the budget without even looking at it. Why does that sit ok with so many? What a monstrous waste of time. The little red party are not the victims or angels the delusional left and media try to portray.

  72. where have you been Bruno? The shameful bias of especially our tax paid for CBC is sick. Yesterday, CBC's comment section was mysteriously broken for the Liberal negative stories, but funny enough, the Conservative story on the 2 girls escorted out was open for business and comments galore. The pathetic, childlike games that have been played for years, are even bolder and more blatant. I want to have a choice in funding CBC or not.

  73. Did you even read the article above?

  74. Best of luck in your search for a fiscally-responsible political party. If you find one, let me know.

  75. Sorry my friend but you're projecting – mostly. Three contempts of parliament is unprecendented. The contempt means nothing; Just like the prorogation issue meant nothing. Most decent pundits eg., Wells, Coyne, Hebert all pretty mch take the view that it did hurt SH.
    As for the detainee issue – it's underwraps at the moment. But it's still smouldering and threatening to flare up again – after the 15th i believe; according to Duccepe at any rate.

  76. Did you just poop your pants?

  77. It was such a lovely gesture to see American Iggo take time away from his campaign speech in Hamilton to sing "Happy Birthday" to Bruce Campion Smith from the uber Liberal, Toronto Red Star. Ahhh, isn't that sweet, in a weird incestuous kinda way. I sure hope Igg doesn't have to sing to all his media supporters, that would take along time. Maybe Iggo has a new career as a Liberal lounge singer, specializing in songs from the 1970's, singing to packed houses full of taxpayer subsidized media flunkies like Jane ( tongue bath) Tabor, Bob Fife, Terry (trenchcoat) Meliewski, Roger Smith, Aaron Wherry, Susan Delacourt, Evan Soloman, Craig ( Trudeaus canoe buddy) Oliver, John Ibbitson, Crazy Larry Martin, Lisa (pooping puffin) LaFlamme, etc. etc. etc.

  78. It was such a lovely gesture to see American Iggo take time away from his campaign speech in Hamilton to sing "Happy Birthday" to Bruce Campion Smith from the uber Liberal, Toronto Red Star. Ahhh, isn't that sweet, in a weird incestuous kinda way. I sure hope Igg doesn't have to sing to all his media supporters, that would take along time. Maybe Iggo has a new career as a Liberal lounge singer, specializing in songs from the 1970's, singing to packed houses full of taxpayer subsidized media flunkies like Jane ( tongue bath) Tabor, Bob Fife, Terry (trenchcoat) Meliewski, Roger Smith, Aaron Wherry, Susan Delacourt, Evan Soloman, Craig ( Trudeaus canoe buddy) Oliver, John Ibbitson, Crazy Larry Martin, Lisa (pooping puffin) LaFlamme, etc. etc. etc.

  79. I'm extremely open-minded – I believe it's the Conservative followers known for their narrow-mindness.

  80. The article seems to be unavailable once again.

  81. I meant guest69 knows its not true that Paul Matin deserves credit for the economy

  82. All manufactured by the opposition

  83. Gullible Canadians? Heck, they fell for the first Liberal "Red Book" in '93, didn't they? End of the GST? I can't beleive anyone expects them to fall for it again.

  84. Contempt of parliament for a bad project forecast? C'mon. Withthat standard, Jean Chretien would have been fond in contempt lots of times – $220M for the gin registry turns into $2B. Contemptuous, isn't it?

  85. Sorry, 'bout the spelling "Found" That's gun not gin (kinda funny error, though eh?)

  86. That is one of my arguments against a minority gov't. I am hoping with a majority the conservatives won't have to give so much away to get support on bills. Like I said, hoping – but with the other parties, I have no hope.

  87. Right on!

  88. Right on!

  89. Contempt of Parliament Does Matter!

    Access to Information Matters!

    Respect for Parliamentary Procedure Matters!

    Democracy is not a bother!

    Canadians do Care!

  90. Contempt of Parliament Does Matter!

    Access to Information Matters!

    Respect for Parliamentary Procedure Matters!

    Democracy is not a bother!

    Canadians do Care!

  91. You seem to think the opposition should just roll over and rubber-stamp whatever the CPC puts forth.

    While I grant that some of the noise from the oposition was points-scoring noise, a great deal of it was justified. And remember, the CPC was defeated over contempt (first time EVER in Canadian history), not the budget.

    That said, a lot of bills were passed, and those that were held up were held up in order to improve them.

    Equally important to remember: a great many bills were held up by the needless election call in 2008 (by Harper, remember), and by proroguing the house. Bills in progress on each of those occasions had to be reintroduced and started through the two houses again, at taxpayers' expense.

    I'm betting that, were someone take the time to do a count, more bills have been stalled and delayed by Harper himself than by the opposition.

  92. "A coalition would represent less Canadians then a minority CPC government."

    A little early for that prediction, my friend! If the CPC loses seats and the Libs / NDP gain them, it might just end up that the center/left parties combined will have more (without the BQ).I know you don't THINK it can happen, but it is not impossible.

  93. I think the problem is largely one of perception – yours, that is. The article clearly says Harper is getting significantly more coverage than Ignatieff – and that's certainly how it seems to me (much to my chagrin).

    I've been reading posts like yours from CPC supporters since the election campaigning started, and they didn't jibe at all with my experience of media reports. This article sets Harper's coverage somewhat higher than I would have guessed – but not by much.

    I guess ANY Ignatieff coverage qualifies as too much, in the eyes of some people. Likewise, any coverage of Harper that isn't completely fawning and worshipful is "left-wing". Puhleeeze! Lay of the blue koolaid for a bit and try to get some perspective.

  94. I have to say that usually the media plays right into the lies and games of politians during elections – giving extra attention to Harper's negitive campaigns and never digging deeper on promises and issues. This year, possibly because the media is tired of Harper's scripted interviews, is actually doing what they're suppost to. After years of frustration, I'm happy to see that finally the country is coming to it's senses and seeing what the Conservatives are really about.

  95. I have to say that usually the media plays right into the lies and games of politians during elections – giving extra attention to Harper's negitive campaigns and never digging deeper on promises and issues. This year, possibly because the media is tired of Harper's scripted interviews, is actually doing what they're suppost to. After years of frustration, I'm happy to see that finally the country is coming to it's senses and seeing what the Conservatives are really about.

  96. Claudia, I don't think Michael is just talking about the "coalition" rant.

    Harper's very first act as PM were to break two of his promises: he appointed a senator and allowed a just-elected Liberal cross the floor, in order to have them both in his cabinet. I'm sure that's a record of some sort. And he and his cadre have amassed a list of broken promises, bone-headed decisions and pending trials / criminal investigations that are far too long to attempt to document here.

    I don't know why people on the right have such an abject fear of the possibility of Liberals working with the NDP, but I kno why the rest of us don't want a Harper majority: his record to date. If it were of the old, vinyl LP type, it would be so scratched and dirty as to be unplayable.

  97. "Contempt won't work with most voters" – that is a sad measure of our populace, that they don't care about Harper's contempt for the very institution he runs; that they don't care a whit about the corrupt behaviour of his party; that they LIKE it so much that they want to give him more power so he can screw us over altogether.

    I think you have fallen for his "fear and loathing" meme; I thought you wre brighter than that.

  98. Well it certainly isn't Harper and Flaherty – they were all set to deregulate theCanadian banks and make them more like the Americans (had even started it with 0-down, 35-yr mortgages, which they have since backed off on somewhat) when the bottom dropped out. Suddenly, instead of continuing with their plans, thay started touting the Canadian banks as a model for the world. I wonder who set those banking regs? Not Harper!

  99. And, there, in its unvarnished form, is the true CPC mentality. Thanks, TL.

  100. Well for 2 yrs, Iggy was getting shat on in the press so turnabout fair play and all.

  101. Well for 2 yrs, Iggy was getting shat on in the press so turnabout fair play and all.

    • Iggy deserved it.He was acting like a little child, complete with giggling beside Dion( its on youtube) Iggy needs his teeth fixed, he gives me the sleeves

  102. Sound statistic, facts and science have never meant anything to belief systems anyway

  103. Sound statistic, facts and science have never meant anything to belief systems anyway

  104. Why would the winning party need to form a coalition?

    (BTW, I was tempted to leave in my typo of 'wining' for 'winning' :-) but it should be 'whining'.)

  105. Look at the difference between "plurality"and "majority" for an answer to your question.

  106. We cant trust the Liberals period. There " great leader " is only back for himself, He hasnt lived here for 30 years…and will return after losing.. There last great leaders were a guy who running for prime minister who held a passport of another country(dion-france) and Martin had his business registered in another country to not pay takes in the country he was intent on leading! ya, GREAT leaders, can you say "hidden agenda?"

  107. We cant trust the Liberals period. There " great leader " is only back for himself, He hasnt lived here for 30 years…and will return after losing.. There last great leaders were a guy who running for prime minister who held a passport of another country(dion-france) and Martin had his business registered in another country to not pay takes in the country he was intent on leading! ya, GREAT leaders, can you say "hidden agenda?"

    • You're right Wardo. We should really look to lifetime lobbyists as the source for all future great leadership.

  108. The same way they didn't connect with the Afghan detainee, the census, it is not something that they care for the LPC can try to spin it any way they can, it won't matter, weather is right or wrong, as long as there isn't any money stuffed in envelopes, they'll pass on it. You don't like it because you despise Harper but most people doesn't have those kind of feelings, he does the deserve the contempt charge but so would a lot of other leaders whom just got away by having a majority more recently Chretien and I did voted for him everytime.

    I haven't fallen for anything I will vote for him because I trust him a lot more than I trust ignatieff he has no vision or instincts for Canada. His platform it's lame at best.

  109. I agree partially with MYL said because that's the way it works, personally, I feel it should be left alone, I feel that coalition is the "iN" word but I hate it : )

  110. Reform/Alliance/Conservative it's a merger not a coalition.

  111. Oh I know he was talking about all the evil of Harper's government.
    .
    But let's be honest here it is about how much he hates Harper, not about what he has done, it is fair those are hios feelings.

    I do have a problem with a coalition being formed with the losing parties, it's not democratic in my opinion, let's put it the other way around, Iggy has 152 seat a few short of a majority, and Harper forms a coalition with NDP, how would you feel about that? Like I said before to me it isn't about the parties, it is the coalition itself that bothers me, If Iggy wins fair and square (majority or minority) I am ok with it because that's the will of the people, If Harper had tried in 2004 he wouldn't be PM today so he can thank his lucky stars for that break.

  112. And, there, in it's self diagnosed supremacist nature, is the true Liberal mentality. Thanks, KB.

  113. Iggy deserved it.He was acting like a little child, complete with giggling beside Dion( its on youtube) Iggy needs his teeth fixed, he gives me the sleeves

  114. I would obviously prefer Iggy to win, rather than strike a deal with other parties.

    And no, I would not be overly happy if Harper came in second and formed a coalition with the NDP. But you know what? That's how our parliamentary system works; unhappy though it might make me, you wouldn't hear me going on with all the "illegitimate" BS that the CPC keeps spouting.

    I thought the coalition deal in 2008 – depending as it did on the pledge of support from the BQ – was politically unwise; I sincerely think Iggy thought so too. He was clearly hesitant to sign on, and did not follow through after Dion was dumped. They would have been wiser following the path Harper had mapped out in his own earlier deal: threaten a vote of non-confidence and a visit to the GG with a pledge of support from the other two opposition parties. But we can't undo history…

  115. Pt 2…

    Barring some huge scandal between now and May 2, I don't see a Liberal majority. I genuinely think a Harper majority would give us the worst, most corrupt and morally bankrupt government in our history, based on what Harper & Co have done with the check of a minority government to hold them back. So I'm hoping for another minority government, and hoping that prompts enough of a shakeup in both parties that we have someone worth voting for running at least one of them by next election.

  116. What an incredibly biased article, clearly in favour of Harpy!

    No matter how effective Mr. Iganatieff is, your columnists keep tossing in pro-Harpy comments to undercut Ignatieff and the others.

    Your pro-Harpy bias is disturbing!

  117. What an incredibly biased article, clearly in favour of Harpy!

    No matter how effective Mr. Iganatieff is, your columnists keep tossing in pro-Harpy comments to undercut Ignatieff and the others.

    Your pro-Harpy bias is disturbing!

  118. "Your post is really just Andrew Coyne redux:" … and what's wrong with that?

  119. You're right Wardo. We should really look to lifetime lobbyists as the source for all future great leadership.

  120. Unemployment was much lower then than today, and a large percentage of the fund was not being used. Martin earned high praise at the time for effecient reallocation.

    HINT – he did not use it to solely benefit the Conservative party by securing votes.

  121. I appreciate your opinion but I see it differently, I believe he can pull it off, make a better smaller federal government, however, he needs to be straight and more transparent because he is truly his worst enemy.

    And I do agree about Ignatieff being reluctant to sign the coalition.

  122. Just watched the debate; as much as I hate to admit it, Harper came off best. If I was your average voter, not that in tune with the day-to-day politics in this country, I could easily see myself being swayed by his performance tonight.

    Sigh!

    I just hope he can be held to a minority; given what he's done to democracy in this country with the restrictions a minority imposes, the thought of Harper with the gloves off horrifies me.

  123. I did actually ached for ignatieff, it has to be very humbling for him this experience, but he was much better on the french one.

    What I don't get with the LPC is their bad strategy, what's the rush? they should concentrate on being the best opposition there could be and they wouldn't being struggling now, they have to stop tomake Harper their focus, doesn't mean to not keeping an eye on him but stop counting on his mistakes to give them a chance, they need to focus on their strenghts and reinvigorate the party IMO.

    I think Harper will be a very consequential PM but he has to smarten up the reason why he has gotten away with crap it has been because lousy opposition, he is a very polorizing figure it will be like Trudeau half people loves him the other half hates him.

  124. I missed the French debate; Idol night is a family tradition, and with my daughter entering her teens there may not be too many more evenings like this…

    While I don't disagree that the opposition could have been more focussed on running the country and less on trying to score partisan points (something at least as true for the CPC), my real problem with Harper is the level of sleaze, contempt and disregard for the rules. They seem to be incapable of separating partisan party work from governing. That's NOT something that a majority will fix; quite likely, a majority would embolden the CPC to push things even further. If they get a majority, it could be a painful five years for the country (more, including time needed to undo the damage)…

  125. I have a feeling he will be less sneaky with a majority but he needs to keep it clean, most people won't tolerate sleaze, and he won't get another chance after this. I don't know what he is thinking with all that secrecy, he doesn't need to worry about the other leaders he truly is his worst enemy.

    The debate was messy, wasn't that good, someone needs to get rid of Duceppe, he just says bunch of nonsense, I find it hard to believe that quebecois would fall for that, but I guess you do when you get bunch of freebies ALL THE TIME!

    Enjoy your daughter they do grow so fast, my oldest is turning 21 on saturday and going to Vegas and I feel kind of devastated, she is not including me on her plans, sigh, I will get a delicious cake anyways and eat it all by myself while I remember when she was born and didn't wan't to be away from me : )

  126. I have a feeling he will be less sneaky with a majority but he needs to keep it clean, most people won't tolerate sleaze, and he won't get another chance after this. I don't know what he is thinking with all that secrecy, he doesn't need to worry about the other leaders he truly is his worst enemy.

    The debate was messy, wasn't that good, someone needs to get rid of Duceppe, he just says bunch of nonsense, I find it hard to believe that quebecois would fall for that, but I guess you do when you get bunch of freebies ALL THE TIME!

    Enjoy your daughter they do grow so fast, my oldest is turning 21 on saturday and going to Vegas and I feel kind of devastated, she is not including me on her plans, sigh, I will get a delicious cake anyways and eat it all by myself while I remember when she was born and didn't wan't to be away from me : )

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