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Do you support keeping Canadian troops in Afghanistan past 2011?


 

 
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Do you support keeping Canadian troops in Afghanistan past 2011?

  1. We had no right being there in the first place and by association Canadians will forever be hated targets of the Afgan people for the haeinous atrocities committed by the blood thirsty Americans who recently have also been reported and acknowleded as shooting Afgan civilions for SPORT and keep parts of their bodies as trophies. Such crimes are unparalled in history.

  2. We had no right being there in the first place and by association Canadians will forever be hated targets of the Afgan people for the haeinous atrocities committed by the blood thirsty Americans who recently have also been reported and acknowleded as shooting Afgan civilions for SPORT and keep parts of their bodies as trophies. Such crimes are unparalled in history.

    • Have you read any history on past wars??

      • Have you? Tell us about it.

    • "unparalled in history" You sure haven't read much history, you only have to go back to WW2 to see far worse, or to todays Africa, – besides which the above report is so much BS – the Taliban are the worst barbarians to come down the line in a long time. We have a choice, stop them now and give that country a chance to change their education system or in twenty years, maybe less. they will be sending out their terrorists again and the only choice then will be to bomb them back to the caves and start the cycle over again.

    • I thought so also and strongly beleave we should stay for their ongoing training and moral support. NOT FOR A CONTINUED COMBAT ROLE!

    • Actually, Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are generally very well received by everybody except Taliban fighters. We most certainly are not hated.

    • See Andrew Coyen article in the November 29th Macleans. Maybe we have to stay.

    • learn to spell

  3. I thought that there had already been the commitment to stop combat operations…and that we would remain to assist in reconstruction and training. So why is everyone so up tight about 2014??

    Let's not abandon this mission…or we have lost good people in vain.

  4. I thought that there had already been the commitment to stop combat operations…and that we would remain to assist in reconstruction and training. So why is everyone so up tight about 2014??

    Let's not abandon this mission…or we have lost good people in vain.

    • We've already lost enough good people in vain! Let's bring the remaining troops home as soon as possible.

      • and abandon the afghan people?

        • That's EXACTLY how the Canadian government wants you to reply.
          As if they care about other people in other countries! There are genocides ongoing right now in other countries, as well as thoroughly undemocratic governments oppressing nations. You think Afghanistan is special?
          If we're so worried about 'people', why didn't we go into Iraq?
          It's not about 'saving the women and children'. (It may be for the individual soldiers who see the horror on the ground there, but that's not why the *government* is there, or why our foreign policy is what it is.)
          It's about maintaining control in the middle east so as to exert power in the oil regions.
          If, as a country, you have no territory there, you have no power. And brother, do we have territory now….

          • yes, i am well aware of the fact that our government is not intervening to save the women and children. foreign policy rarely works that way. however our presence in the area IS allowing many women to attend school for the first time, many of which are being built by our soldiers. but exert power in the oil regions? are you an idiot? there's hardly any oil in Afghanistan. in fact, theres pretty much nothing. which is why every invading army in history has failed to conquer it, because at one point they all asked themselves 'why bother?'. and in case you didn't notice, we or our allies DID go into iraq. and what a mess that was. yes territory is power, but Afghanistan isnt really it for us. economics-wise, this entire war is a serious liability. not to mention that this is a coalition effort and that we really dont have full control of the area. our only priority now is to make sure their government can fend for itself when we finally give up on this whole sh!tstorm once and for all.

  5. Have you read any history on past wars??

  6. "unparalled in history" You sure haven't read much history, you only have to go back to WW2 to see far worse, or to todays Africa, – besides which the above report is so much BS – the Taliban are the worst barbarians to come down the line in a long time. We have a choice, stop them now and give that country a chance to change their education system or in twenty years, maybe less. they will be sending out their terrorists again and the only choice then will be to bomb them back to the caves and start the cycle over again.

  7. Gerald, if you think that is the worst man can do to man, you haven't read much about past wars.

    And as much as I hate us being in Afghanistan, leaving now would most definitely make the deaths of our soldiers in vain, and I would hate that even more.

  8. Gerald, if you think that is the worst man can do to man, you haven't read much about past wars.

    And as much as I hate us being in Afghanistan, leaving now would most definitely make the deaths of our soldiers in vain, and I would hate that even more.

    • Lets leave them there and lose even more in vain

      • but what about all our efforts the build schools and get afghan women educated? want those to end in vain too?

    • I agree. You do not have to support the war to support our soldiers.

  9. Using the "deaths of our soldiers in vain" argument simply leads to a state of perpetuity on this i

  10. Using the "deaths of our soldiers in vain" argument simply leads to a state of perpetuity on this i

    • I totally agree with Jodee. Afghanistan and Iraq have become too similar to Viet Nam. We derived no benefits from that war at all. Even McNamara, the Secretary of Defense under Lyndon Johnson, admitted that in the i990's in a book and on TV. He even cried on TV because he regretted the waste of American lives during that conflict.

      • Perhaps. But stop and consider the progress that has been made in Afghanistan since the invasion – huge gains in human rights, development, etc. If we pull out now, who will fill the power vacuum? The Taliban. And I assure you their rule would be much more brutal and much more worse than it ever was before.
        We made a commitment to the Afghan people and now we have to stand behind it.

        • Rubbish Mr Tim! As soon as we and other nations leave Afganistan, those savage elements will make life more miserable for those who sought to educate themselves and god help the soldiers who decided to help we Canadians. Those savages will conduct a reign of terror.

          • That's why we stay until the Afghan people have established a stable government. Anyone with half a brain looking objectively at the situation in 2001 would realize that any nations involved in Afghanistan would be there in some capacity until at least 2020.
            And you underestimate the Taliban. They are not savages in any sense of the word. Some of their practices could certainly be considered barbaric, but they are very intelligent and have had some remarkable military and propaganda successes when you consider the sheer amount of force they have aligned themselves against. For example, most of the people in the West think we're losing in Afghanistan – we're not. But to an extent, the Taliban themselves are responsible for this sentiment.

          • "That's why we stay until the Afghan people have established a stable government"
            AHAHAH! That's the oldest trick in the book.
            A 'stable' government means 'some puppet that we can control'.
            Don't kid yourself – we're setting up a proxy government that WE approve of and can control.

            We westerners have been overthrowing governments with actions and coups for centuries.

            And you're allowing it by rhyming off government talking points.

          • Perhaps. Time will tell just how "puppetish" the Afghan government is. But keep in mind Karzai just threw out many of the mercenaries (i.e. military contractors) in Afghanistan. The US relies heavily on military contractors. Doesn't seem too puppet-y to me. Afghanistan has recently been moving toward a partnership with the West, as opposed to a subservient relationship.
            It is also a question of the lesser of two evils – a Western-friendly government, or one that stones people to death in soccer stadiums as a warm-up for the crowd?

            One last point to keep in mind: in which situation would it be easier for the Afghan people to make their government representative? Under the Taliban? Or in their present situation?

  11. Have you? Tell us about it.

  12. Would you send your child–or yourself for that matter–into harm's way where the chance of being killed or terribly wounded is so high. That is the test unless your own country is being threatened and then we all should do what is necessary to protect Canada.

  13. Would you send your child–or yourself for that matter–into harm's way where the chance of being killed or terribly wounded is so high. That is the test unless your own country is being threatened and then we all should do what is necessary to protect Canada.

    • Actually, when compared to our deployment size, the amount of casualties we've suffered in Afghanistan is the lowest of any war we've ever been involved in.

    • Yeah, and it was wrong to stop Hitler too. . . we should have waited until he was at our door.__What kind of thinking is this? Especially after Remembrance Day, when we are to think about all the people who did the right thing, put their lives on the line for others. What if everyone said, "I will only fight to protect people I know and love"? On that note, though, a safer Afghanistan is a safer North America.__

      • i dunno if you realize but it was the russians that won that war.. lol

        • My apologies. Here I went all my life thinking that Britain, the US and the Allies had won that war. If Russia did it without help, I guess it was a waste for any other country to hop into it. I hope you can sense the sarcasm, because I am laying it on really thick here.

    • Would you like to have your children or grandchildren raised under Taliban rule? Or any other fundamentalist regime for that matter?
      The death toll in A stan is blown out of proportion by a sensationalist media. In one year about 29 B.C. loggers are killed on the job and no one is shooting at us. That does not count any other province. You can look up the stats for construction workers yourself. Should we all quit working because someone might die?

  14. WAR IS NOT HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN AND OTHER LIVING THINGS!!!!!!!!!

  15. Canadians are great peacekeepers and excellent at training police forces, etc. We should stay on to help rebuild the country and a non-corrupt system of government.
    If you'd done your research about what life was like for the people of Afghanistan during the Taliban rule you'd realize that something needed to be done to help them. If it took the oil to get the world to pay attention, so be it.

  16. WAR IS NOT HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN AND OTHER LIVING THINGS!!!!!!!!!

  17. Canadians are great peacekeepers and excellent at training police forces, etc. We should stay on to help rebuild the country and a non-corrupt system of government.
    If you'd done your research about what life was like for the people of Afghanistan during the Taliban rule you'd realize that something needed to be done to help them. If it took the oil to get the world to pay attention, so be it.

    • I dont know where you're going with this line of thinking… but are you suggesting that it's a good thing the western world wants that oil so that we can go into the region, genocide the populations and set up proxy governments we control…. to save them from themselves?

      What if the States started doing that to us?

      • ignorance is really bliss isnt it? genocide? please the word has been cheapened enough. and there is barely any oil in Afghanistan. its only value natural gas-wise is pipeline routes into iraq. and we're not even getting any of that either. and neither Karzai or the Iraq government are acting very puppet-like at the moment either. stop listening to Micheal Moore and look at whats actually happening.

  18. We've already lost enough good people in vain! Let's bring the remaining troops home as soon as possible.

  19. I totally agree with Jodee. Afghanistan and Iraq have become too similar to Viet Nam. We derived no benefits from that war at all. Even McNamara, the Secretary of Defense under Lyndon Johnson, admitted that in the i990's in a book and on TV. He even cried on TV because he regretted the waste of American lives during that conflict.

  20. Who put the Taliban in to goverment? As far as I know the U.S.A. Am I correct?

  21. Who put the Taliban in to goverment? As far as I know the U.S.A. Am I correct?

    • you dont get history from media sound-bites i will tell you that right now. after the mujadeen had fought off the soviets, the Taliban assassinated their leader Masoud and eventually took over.

  22. Lets leave them there and lose even more in vain

  23. We're very fortunate in this country that the people in 1939 didn't cut and run like the majority according to your poll want to do now or we'de all be speaking a different language and be wearing jack boots. Canadian troops may be good peacekeepers, however they are trained for combat, and in that role they are the best troops in the world. Enough with the anti-Americanism for heaven sakes; they have been our main line of defence now since PET decimated our military; it is only now that we are starting to carry our own load.

  24. We're very fortunate in this country that the people in 1939 didn't cut and run like the majority according to your poll want to do now or we'de all be speaking a different language and be wearing jack boots. Canadian troops may be good peacekeepers, however they are trained for combat, and in that role they are the best troops in the world. Enough with the anti-Americanism for heaven sakes; they have been our main line of defence now since PET decimated our military; it is only now that we are starting to carry our own load.

    • Agreed!

    • Right on!

    • The Afghanistan war is to WWII what apples are to oranges; completely different.

      • but the question is the same. should we leave and abandon an ally we made a commitment to?

      • one thing you are not is a centrist

  25. Actually, when compared to our deployment size, the amount of casualties we've suffered in Afghanistan is the lowest of any war we've ever been involved in.

  26. Perhaps. But stop and consider the progress that has been made in Afghanistan since the invasion – huge gains in human rights, development, etc. If we pull out now, who will fill the power vacuum? The Taliban. And I assure you their rule would be much more brutal and much more worse than it ever was before.
    We made a commitment to the Afghan people and now we have to stand behind it.

  27. Our Canadian troops have earned a fine reputation as peacekeepers. in many disputed areas, If their presence helps to stabalize the country by teaching the Afghans how to control their own affairs, by all means allow them to stay on.
    Ian G.

  28. Our Canadian troops have earned a fine reputation as peacekeepers. in many disputed areas, If their presence helps to stabalize the country by teaching the Afghans how to control their own affairs, by all means allow them to stay on.
    Ian G.

  29. Rubbish Mr Tim! As soon as we and other nations leave Afganistan, those savage elements will make life more miserable for those who sought to educate themselves and god help the soldiers who decided to help we Canadians. Those savages will conduct a reign of terror.

  30. We will have been in Afghanistan for almost 10 years when our soldiers leave.. If the conflict was winnable, wouldn’t we have won it by now. Its time to bring our troops home.

  31. We will have been in Afghanistan for almost 10 years when our soldiers leave.. If the conflict was winnable, wouldn’t we have won it by now. Its time to bring our troops home.

    • This isn't a winnable conflict, but this is a situation in which human rights are being systematically violated; as long as that continues to happen, there should be Canadian men and women, soldiers and diplomates, fighting to make things right.

      • Oh please. Here's a gun – get out there. Meanwhile, the rest of us would like to stop genociding sovereign nations.

        • you ignorance is amazingly shocking. do you read real news? or do you kind of glance over Newsweek articles and let the gist kinda form in your mind?

    • i respect u my brother jst blew up in afghanistan jst 3 months ago

  32. Yeah, and it was wrong to stop Hitler too. . . we should have waited until he was at our door.__What kind of thinking is this? Especially after Remembrance Day, when we are to think about all the people who did the right thing, put their lives on the line for others. What if everyone said, "I will only fight to protect people I know and love"? On that note, though, a safer Afghanistan is a safer North America.__

  33. Agreed!

  34. Would you like to have your children or grandchildren raised under Taliban rule? Or any other fundamentalist regime for that matter?
    The death toll in A stan is blown out of proportion by a sensationalist media. In one year about 29 B.C. loggers are killed on the job and no one is shooting at us. That does not count any other province. You can look up the stats for construction workers yourself. Should we all quit working because someone might die?

  35. This poll sucks like most of them. It depends largely on the role our troops will play weather or not they should stay on. I am not much in favor of them continuing fighting but training Astan soldiers, building schools and hospitals and protecting them is a different matter.

  36. This poll sucks like most of them. It depends largely on the role our troops will play weather or not they should stay on. I am not much in favor of them continuing fighting but training Astan soldiers, building schools and hospitals and protecting them is a different matter.

    • We're not BUILDING schools and hospitals! We're simply training more mercenaries that will HOPEFULLY fight on 'our' side against their own people when the big push comes for total control of the region.

      • whatever it is your smoking i want some of it. how can you possibly ignore reality THAT much? do you watch those documentaries on 'the new world order' by any chance?

  37. We were liberated in Holland in 1945 and will never forget what they did for us, and I am still very great full ,and they did not give up till the job was done…

    we

  38. We were liberated in Holland in 1945 and will never forget what they did for us, and I am still very great full ,and they did not give up till the job was done…

    we

  39. Enough is Enough I'm getting tired of hearing about Canadian soldiers giving their lives for George W. Bush's mess. And the Russians even knew when to leave.

  40. Enough is Enough I'm getting tired of hearing about Canadian soldiers giving their lives for George W. Bush's mess. And the Russians even knew when to leave.

    • so by your logic we should have cut and run in 1939 because it was Europe's mess?

  41. This isn't a winnable conflict, but this is a situation in which human rights are being systematically violated; as long as that continues to happen, there should be Canadian men and women, soldiers and diplomates, fighting to make things right.

  42. Right on!

  43. We must battle this fascist ideology and we will, the choice is between doing it over there, or waiting until they come here.

  44. We must battle this fascist ideology and we will, the choice is between doing it over there, or waiting until they come here.

  45. I thought so also and strongly beleave we should stay for their ongoing training and moral support. NOT FOR A CONTINUED COMBAT ROLE!

  46. That's why we stay until the Afghan people have established a stable government. Anyone with half a brain looking objectively at the situation in 2001 would realize that any nations involved in Afghanistan would be there in some capacity until at least 2020.
    And you underestimate the Taliban. They are not savages in any sense of the word. Some of their practices could certainly be considered barbaric, but they are very intelligent and have had some remarkable military and propaganda successes when you consider the sheer amount of force they have aligned themselves against. For example, most of the people in the West think we're losing in Afghanistan – we're not. But to an extent, the Taliban themselves are responsible for this sentiment.

  47. and abandon the afghan people?

  48. but what about all our efforts the build schools and get afghan women educated? want those to end in vain too?

  49. so by your logic we should have cut and run in 1939 because it was Europe's mess?

  50. you dont get history from media sound-bites i will tell you that right now. after the mujadeen had fought off the soviets, the Taliban assassinated their leader Masoud and eventually took over.

  51. Russians are not a good example, they threw everything at afganistan until they went into a massive recession collapsing their empire.. We are not in that same boat, we are there to help, if anything.

  52. Russians are not a good example, they threw everything at afganistan until they went into a massive recession collapsing their empire.. We are not in that same boat, we are there to help, if anything.

    • HAHAHAHHAHA!! Was that sarcasm? If so – hilarious!

      If not… oy.

  53. I agree. You do not have to support the war to support our soldiers.

  54. I voted to stay for training purposes but i'd also like a debate in the house and maybe a vote too – this is serious stuff. It needs some form of consensus.

  55. I voted to stay for training purposes but i'd also like a debate in the house and maybe a vote too – this is serious stuff. It needs some form of consensus.

    • someone thumbs me down for wanting a debate on extending a mission in a war zone – pathetic really.

      • in the battle between the extremists its always the moderates that are caught in the middle im afraid.

  56. To walk away from this job now would mean that all those Canadians died and worked for nothing. I believe that Harper made the correct decision and am glad he is willing to stand up and be counted on international issues. Unfortunately while a vote and debate in Parliament sounds like a good idea we all know that the vote simply does not reflect the wishes of the people. We just witnessed that with the vote on the gun registry. As far as debate goes, this is just an opportunity for Layton to grandstand, which is easy for someone who will never have to put his money where his big mouth is.

  57. To walk away from this job now would mean that all those Canadians died and worked for nothing. I believe that Harper made the correct decision and am glad he is willing to stand up and be counted on international issues. Unfortunately while a vote and debate in Parliament sounds like a good idea we all know that the vote simply does not reflect the wishes of the people. We just witnessed that with the vote on the gun registry. As far as debate goes, this is just an opportunity for Layton to grandstand, which is easy for someone who will never have to put his money where his big mouth is.

    • This is my own opinion, just like yours, but I feel they died in vain starting day one.
      To me, this is another Viet Nam.

      Perhaps back in WWII we could say it was to stop a nation that was quickly embroiling nations and genociding a people, but now we just have an offensive (as opposed to defensive) force that is being used as thugs in a war of aggression against a sovereign nation. WE are the occupiers now.

      Even if there was some magical 'winning' moment (which there wont be), you can never say that the troops are there to 'make us safer'. That's ridiculous.
      Every moment they spend there, every life they ruin there, is one more way they're endangering US further.

  58. The latest news tells us that the young soldiers who put their lives on the line are not getting support and help with their medical problems when they come home. Our first commitment should be to the injured and to their families who also need help.
    Please let us address this very important debt to these men first and not let the politicians decide whats happening to our men and how it will effect their numbers at the polls. Good God don´t let these boys have to beg for help when they come back in some cases maimed for life.

  59. The latest news tells us that the young soldiers who put their lives on the line are not getting support and help with their medical problems when they come home. Our first commitment should be to the injured and to their families who also need help.
    Please let us address this very important debt to these men first and not let the politicians decide whats happening to our men and how it will effect their numbers at the polls. Good God don´t let these boys have to beg for help when they come back in some cases maimed for life.

  60. It seems to me that we have not committed to the truth "OF NEVER AGAIN, OR LESS WE FOR GET AND WE ARE NOW COMBAT NOT PEACE MAKERS ANY MORE" I cant accept the fact that we send these young men to fight and then if they make it back home ,mostly they are injured however we still allow them to suffer some homeless and then must live off penny pininching to survive how did we loose the compassion we seem to send them to give others, and yet we deny them when the ymake it home alive. It is so wrong that they still are not valued .O ur GOVERNMENT MUST STOP THE INJUSTICE AND SHOW SOME COMPASSION .WE need to review our method of kindness for our own people how is this right.?

  61. It seems to me that we have not committed to the truth "OF NEVER AGAIN, OR LESS WE FOR GET AND WE ARE NOW COMBAT NOT PEACE MAKERS ANY MORE" I cant accept the fact that we send these young men to fight and then if they make it back home ,mostly they are injured however we still allow them to suffer some homeless and then must live off penny pininching to survive how did we loose the compassion we seem to send them to give others, and yet we deny them when the ymake it home alive. It is so wrong that they still are not valued .O ur GOVERNMENT MUST STOP THE INJUSTICE AND SHOW SOME COMPASSION .WE need to review our method of kindness for our own people how is this right.?

    • I agree – our veteran support is in sad states. However, I have a small correction to make – you wrote that most of the soldiers coming back are injured. Actually, when compared to the size of our deployment and the number of soldiers who have done tours in Afghanistan, the casualty rate is the lowest of any war Canada has been involved in.

  62. That's EXACTLY how the Canadian government wants you to reply.
    As if they care about other people in other countries! There are genocides ongoing right now in other countries, as well as thoroughly undemocratic governments oppressing nations. You think Afghanistan is special?
    If we're so worried about 'people', why didn't we go into Iraq?
    It's not about 'saving the women and children'. (It may be for the individual soldiers who see the horror on the ground there, but that's not why the *government* is there, or why our foreign policy is what it is.)
    It's about maintaining control in the middle east so as to exert power in the oil regions.
    If, as a country, you have no territory there, you have no power. And brother, do we have territory now….

  63. "That's why we stay until the Afghan people have established a stable government"
    AHAHAH! That's the oldest trick in the book.
    A 'stable' government means 'some puppet that we can control'.
    Don't kid yourself – we're setting up a proxy government that WE approve of and can control.

    We westerners have been overthrowing governments with actions and coups for centuries.

    And you're allowing it by rhyming off government talking points.

  64. I dont know where you're going with this line of thinking… but are you suggesting that it's a good thing the western world wants that oil so that we can go into the region, genocide the populations and set up proxy governments we control…. to save them from themselves?

    What if the States started doing that to us?

  65. Oh please. Here's a gun – get out there. Meanwhile, the rest of us would like to stop genociding sovereign nations.

  66. We're not BUILDING schools and hospitals! We're simply training more mercenaries that will HOPEFULLY fight on 'our' side against their own people when the big push comes for total control of the region.

  67. HAHAHAHHAHA!! Was that sarcasm? If so – hilarious!

    If not… oy.

  68. This is my own opinion, just like yours, but I feel they died in vain starting day one.
    To me, this is another Viet Nam.

    Perhaps back in WWII we could say it was to stop a nation that was quickly embroiling nations and genociding a people, but now we just have an offensive (as opposed to defensive) force that is being used as thugs in a war of aggression against a sovereign nation. WE are the occupiers now.

    Even if there was some magical 'winning' moment (which there wont be), you can never say that the troops are there to 'make us safer'. That's ridiculous.
    Every moment they spend there, every life they ruin there, is one more way they're endangering US further.

  69. someone thumbs me down for wanting a debate on extending a mission in a war zone – pathetic really.

  70. It's so interesting reading these comments, I have to do an essay on this and the conflicting views are helpful. Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to contribute their opinions.

  71. It's so interesting reading these comments, I have to do an essay on this and the conflicting views are helpful. Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to contribute their opinions.

    • Here's another one for you Student 1020. (Excerpt from earlier comments I have made on this very subject in past “Debates”).
      As an ex military man and as someone who has a Daughter who has served in Afghanistan I can assure you that we are doing much good over there.

      Initially Canada went into Afghanistan to assist our Americans Allies (Remember Sep 11) but it was Karzai himself who as little as three years ago appeared in the House of Commons and begged us to remain there. We supported the Americans in the Invasion of Afghanistan for good reasons, the Taliban harbour terrorists and they promote terrorism; They also don't have a single ounce of respect for women which might be the “least bad” we can say about them since they will not hesitate to murder women and children for the most insignificant of reasons.

      Karzai has asked us to remain in his Country until the Taliban no longer pose a threat, either through the use of Force or through mutually acceptable terms to end this conflict.

    • For a Soldier, fighting an enemy as elusive as the Taliban or their sympathisers is extremely complex and unpredictable. That enemy could also be a Woman, a Teen or an old Man, they have no identifiable uniforms.
      The Taliban have “intentionally” and “indiscriminately” killed Civilians and Soldiers alike.
      I fully understand and sympathise with the many Canadians who don't agree with our Canadian Soldiers and Allies being there but I take exceptions with peoples who will say everything and anything just to satisfy their narrow views of the world. I wish peoples would at least try to think things through.
      By the way, you will never hear the Afghan population shout “death to the Taliban” because that would be committing suicide; The Taliban often cannot be identified, meaning that the person standing next to them, if not a Taliban himself, could be a sympathiser which would mark him/her for death; Even peoples “seeming” to cooperate with the Allies are in danger.

    • If we (the Allies) were all to leave now, the Taliban would promptly eliminate all who have cooperated with us, prevent all women from teaching and all young girls from being taught (That's just some of the terrible things that would ensue). Even the “moderate Afghans” are by our standard quite drastic, never mind the Taliban who are considered fanatics by the general population. Of course it is “almost” an unsurmontable task to win the hearts and mind of the Afghan peoples, the Taliban know it and they dam well count on it.
      When Karzai threatened at one point to join the Taliban, it was in response to some of our Allie's perceived “over meddling”, however Karzai himself would be the first one to go if and when the Taliban were to take over. Karzai stated those things because he is in a very precarious situation, he cannot be seen as being too much of a puppet of the USA as some peoples have previously stated and we can only imagine that if even us Westerners think like that, what Karzai's countrymen must be thinking.

    • We can all make valid arguments as to wether we should stay or leave. It's just that so many lives have been sacrificed already that it would be an even greater tragedy if it had all been done in vain, specially when so much progress has been made. So yes, I do feel we should remain there, at least until the Afghan peoples are trained and capable enough to prevent the Taliban from taking over again. I hope that my views will assist you with your essay and that I wasn't too late in contributing.

  72. Perhaps. Time will tell just how "puppetish" the Afghan government is. But keep in mind Karzai just threw out many of the mercenaries (i.e. military contractors) in Afghanistan. The US relies heavily on military contractors. Doesn't seem too puppet-y to me. Afghanistan has recently been moving toward a partnership with the West, as opposed to a subservient relationship.
    It is also a question of the lesser of two evils – a Western-friendly government, or one that stones people to death in soccer stadiums as a warm-up for the crowd?

    One last point to keep in mind: in which situation would it be easier for the Afghan people to make their government representative? Under the Taliban? Or in their present situation?

  73. I agree – our veteran support is in sad states. However, I have a small correction to make – you wrote that most of the soldiers coming back are injured. Actually, when compared to the size of our deployment and the number of soldiers who have done tours in Afghanistan, the casualty rate is the lowest of any war Canada has been involved in.

  74. Actually, Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are generally very well received by everybody except Taliban fighters. We most certainly are not hated.

  75. The Afghanistan war is to WWII what apples are to oranges; completely different.

  76. Our job won't be done in Afghanistan until the literate outnumber the illiterate. Since literacy is not on the agenda, our job will never be done.

  77. Our job won't be done in Afghanistan until the literate outnumber the illiterate. Since literacy is not on the agenda, our job will never be done.

    • Literacy is not on the agenda? Then why are we building schools, and why are millions of Afghan girls and boys attending them????? You need to get out of Ottawa from time to time.

  78. I was originally in favour of our role in the Middle East. I didn't understand at the time, the profound depth of the culture and the intrigue and complexities that would be involved. This is an insoluble situation that has been going on for centuries and will continue to do so. We (and I) failed to understand and realize that we are battling more than a political philosophy,..we're battling a well established religion whose followers, even the moderate ones, have no wish whatsoever nor the desire to embrace a democratic way of life.

  79. I was originally in favour of our role in the Middle East. I didn't understand at the time, the profound depth of the culture and the intrigue and complexities that would be involved. This is an insoluble situation that has been going on for centuries and will continue to do so. We (and I) failed to understand and realize that we are battling more than a political philosophy,..we're battling a well established religion whose followers, even the moderate ones, have no wish whatsoever nor the desire to embrace a democratic way of life.

    • If they don't want something better why do millions of Afghans vote at great danger to themselves. It's the Taliban that does not want democracy. They want control, and they want to be free to assist those that would fly planes into building, bomb trains and embassies, and cut the heads off prime ministers. They also don't want to want girls to go be educated. Every day that millions of Afghan girls go to school, we are winning. And the Taliban knows it. Too bad more Canadians don't.

    • spoken like a good little isreali

  80. Literacy is not on the agenda? Then why are we building schools, and why are millions of Afghan girls and boys attending them????? You need to get out of Ottawa from time to time.

  81. who gives us the right to decide what they do in Afghanistan. How would we like another military power to come here and dictate what is right and what is wrong for us. Why don't we let them take care of their own house. Each civilisation has it's own history and it's own rules that evolved from that history. We were once looked upon as the best country in the world and Canadians were welcomed everywhere as peacemakers, but now we are looked upon as warmongers like the Americans and we are not welcomed anywhere except by the corrupt leaders that Bush, Harper, Blair and friends have decided to put in power. And yes our soldiers did die in vain because the only ones that can change Afghanistan are the Afghanies. And the young soldiers will continue to die in vain as long as we don't mind our own business. What a waste, what a shame. The leaders who made the decision to go to war should be the ones in the front lines along with you who agree with them.

  82. who gives us the right to decide what they do in Afghanistan. How would we like another military power to come here and dictate what is right and what is wrong for us. Why don't we let them take care of their own house. Each civilisation has it's own history and it's own rules that evolved from that history. We were once looked upon as the best country in the world and Canadians were welcomed everywhere as peacemakers, but now we are looked upon as warmongers like the Americans and we are not welcomed anywhere except by the corrupt leaders that Bush, Harper, Blair and friends have decided to put in power. And yes our soldiers did die in vain because the only ones that can change Afghanistan are the Afghanies. And the young soldiers will continue to die in vain as long as we don't mind our own business. What a waste, what a shame. The leaders who made the decision to go to war should be the ones in the front lines along with you who agree with them.

    • you are arrogant in assuming that all afghan people are backwards savages who want to go back to 'the old ways'. they are simply people from another area and have different values, but to assume that the men and women dont want to get educated and work in a career is the height of ignorance. stoning women to death for any reason is WRONG. it is wrong in any culture and they know it. and before you go on another rant glorifying our peacekeeping abilities, let me inform you that "peacekeeping" is probably right up there with a school janitor in terms of usefulness. they are not allowed to intervene in anyway besides standing in between two warring factions while peace is negotiated. and mind you that only works when both sides actually WANT to stop fighting. when they dont, peacekeepers are about as useful as a stop sign.

  83. If they don't want something better why do millions of Afghans vote at great danger to themselves. It's the Taliban that does not want democracy. They want control, and they want to be free to assist those that would fly planes into building, bomb trains and embassies, and cut the heads off prime ministers. They also don't want to want girls to go be educated. Every day that millions of Afghan girls go to school, we are winning. And the Taliban knows it. Too bad more Canadians don't.

  84. !0 years of military mission and 150 solders lives loss is enoughs. Nothing has been chived and don't expect change for this generation. Export all their women could possibly solved the problem.

  85. !0 years of military mission and 150 solders lives loss is enoughs. Nothing has been chived and don't expect change for this generation. Export all their women could possibly solved the problem.

    • look at those numbers again. 150 lives over 10 years? more people die a month in car accidents. we are making plenty of progress with minimal loss. this is war. do you seriously expect to lose nobody?

      • i hear ya we r doing fine and if some one disagrees well than i guess they have no faith in or brave troops.

  86. Billion of dollars spent on Afgan doesn't make sense, if this money could have beens spent on medical research, science, our Norther nations' poverty, or developed countries' emergencies . Harper just doesn't get it, he doesn't have the right to make a sole decision to continue mission and waste a lot more money, it's just not right. If election is tomorrow I will vote him out and his crowd !!!

  87. Billion of dollars spent on Afgan doesn't make sense, if this money could have beens spent on medical research, science, our Norther nations' poverty, or developed countries' emergencies . Harper just doesn't get it, he doesn't have the right to make a sole decision to continue mission and waste a lot more money, it's just not right. If election is tomorrow I will vote him out and his crowd !!!

  88. Let's get out!
    It's an Arab/Iranian/Pakistan/Afganistan/Muslim problem.
    Let them and their troops sort it out; after all aren't they supplying all the IEDs and weapons.
    We have no business there anymore; if we had any there in the first place.

  89. Let's get out!
    It's an Arab/Iranian/Pakistan/Afganistan/Muslim problem.
    Let them and their troops sort it out; after all aren't they supplying all the IEDs and weapons.
    We have no business there anymore; if we had any there in the first place.

  90. There seems little advantage tin supporting one of the world's most corrupt regimes from a primitive cult that is still mired in the Middle Ages. Let's let them figure out on gheir own how quickly they want to adapt to our world — or if they even want to.

  91. There seems little advantage tin supporting one of the world's most corrupt regimes from a primitive cult that is still mired in the Middle Ages. Let's let them figure out on gheir own how quickly they want to adapt to our world — or if they even want to.

    • then why are millions voting at the risk of their own lives? why are women and girls attending school for the first time at GREAT risk to their health and safety? yes these are the actions of a hopelessly backwards people.

  92. It's time we got out ot of & stayed out of–all those kinds of countries. wE give them millions– & they never improve things for their people–where does this money go?–The trash– keeps it for themselves– 2 buy more arms 2 kill!!!!!!! Untill they learn how 2 live & do something with themselves—for themselves– by themselves—-stay out—Whatever regime they want– is their business–democracy isn't for everyone.First U have 2 educate people– then teach them how 2 grow food– then how 2 find water–etc,— then–they m ight be able 2 see –our — point!!! 10 years of combat for them– doesn't seem 2 have done much for them!!!

  93. It's time we got out ot of & stayed out of–all those kinds of countries. wE give them millions– & they never improve things for their people–where does this money go?–The trash– keeps it for themselves– 2 buy more arms 2 kill!!!!!!! Untill they learn how 2 live & do something with themselves—for themselves– by themselves—-stay out—Whatever regime they want– is their business–democracy isn't for everyone.First U have 2 educate people– then teach them how 2 grow food– then how 2 find water–etc,— then–they m ight be able 2 see –our — point!!! 10 years of combat for them– doesn't seem 2 have done much for them!!!

    • once you finish primary school your going to look back on this and be rather embarrassed. as far as your actual points go, i think it would be wrong to simply do as you say and simply ignore the problems of the rest of the world. since the invasion there has been vast progress made in womens rights, and the fact is that the people want democracy and rights. they don't want to be living under the Taliban or any other terrorist group and to abandon them to this fate wold be cruel and unjust.

    • & where have U been————in kindergarten????

  94. Here's another one for you Student 1020. (Excerpt from earlier comments I have made on this very subject in past “Debates”).
    As an ex military man and as someone who has a Daughter who has served in Afghanistan I can assure you that we are doing much good over there.

    Initially Canada went into Afghanistan to assist our Americans Allies (Remember Sep 11) but it was Karzai himself who as little as three years ago appeared in the House of Commons and begged us to remain there. We supported the Americans in the Invasion of Afghanistan for good reasons, the Taliban harbour terrorists and they promote terrorism; They also don't have a single ounce of respect for women which might be the “least bad” we can say about them since they will not hesitate to murder women and children for the most insignificant of reasons.

    Karzai has asked us to remain in his Country until the Taliban no longer pose a threat, either through the use of Force or through mutually acceptable terms to end this conflict.

  95. For a Soldier, fighting an enemy as elusive as the Taliban or their sympathisers is extremely complex and unpredictable. That enemy could also be a Woman, a Teen or an old Man, they have no identifiable uniforms.
    The Taliban have “intentionally” and “indiscriminately” killed Civilians and Soldiers alike.
    I fully understand and sympathise with the many Canadians who don't agree with our Canadian Soldiers and Allies being there but I take exceptions with peoples who will say everything and anything just to satisfy their narrow views of the world. I wish peoples would at least try to think things through.
    By the way, you will never hear the Afghan population shout “death to the Taliban” because that would be committing suicide; The Taliban often cannot be identified, meaning that the person standing next to them, if not a Taliban himself, could be a sympathiser which would mark him/her for death; Even peoples “seeming” to cooperate with the Allies are in danger.

  96. If we (the Allies) were all to leave now, the Taliban would promptly eliminate all who have cooperated with us, prevent all women from teaching and all young girls from being taught (That's just some of the terrible things that would ensue). Even the “moderate Afghans” are by our standard quite drastic, never mind the Taliban who are considered fanatics by the general population. Of course it is “almost” an unsurmontable task to win the hearts and mind of the Afghan peoples, the Taliban know it and they dam well count on it.
    When Karzai threatened at one point to join the Taliban, it was in response to some of our Allie's perceived “over meddling”, however Karzai himself would be the first one to go if and when the Taliban were to take over. Karzai stated those things because he is in a very precarious situation, he cannot be seen as being too much of a puppet of the USA as some peoples have previously stated and we can only imagine that if even us Westerners think like that, what Karzai's countrymen must be thinking.

  97. We can all make valid arguments as to wether we should stay or leave. It's just that so many lives have been sacrificed already that it would be an even greater tragedy if it had all been done in vain, specially when so much progress has been made. So yes, I do feel we should remain there, at least until the Afghan peoples are trained and capable enough to prevent the Taliban from taking over again. I hope that my views will assist you with your essay and that I wasn't too late in contributing.

  98. No one has responded to Gerald's uninformed, ignorant remarks …I'm surprised. But I guess there musts be an idiot in every group. Has he not read where there is a growing number of Afghans who are helping the coalition forces, who are praising them for supporting new schools and women's rights.

    We can't abandon, our soldiers say we are winning and don't subscribe to leaving, which would be an injustice to those who gave their all already.

  99. No one has responded to Gerald's uninformed, ignorant remarks …I'm surprised. But I guess there musts be an idiot in every group. Has he not read where there is a growing number of Afghans who are helping the coalition forces, who are praising them for supporting new schools and women's rights.

    We can't abandon, our soldiers say we are winning and don't subscribe to leaving, which would be an injustice to those who gave their all already.

  100. Greg Mortensen has done more to bring about peace in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan than all the US and NATO forces can ever hope to do and he didn't kill one civilian , did not even fire a gun.
    Neither the Canadian or US troops will ever get the respect that that one man has got.

  101. Greg Mortensen has done more to bring about peace in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan than all the US and NATO forces can ever hope to do and he didn't kill one civilian , did not even fire a gun.
    Neither the Canadian or US troops will ever get the respect that that one man has got.

  102. i dunno if you realize but it was the russians that won that war.. lol

  103. My apologies. Here I went all my life thinking that Britain, the US and the Allies had won that war. If Russia did it without help, I guess it was a waste for any other country to hop into it. I hope you can sense the sarcasm, because I am laying it on really thick here.

  104. yes, i am well aware of the fact that our government is not intervening to save the women and children. foreign policy rarely works that way. however our presence in the area IS allowing many women to attend school for the first time, many of which are being built by our soldiers. but exert power in the oil regions? are you an idiot? there's hardly any oil in Afghanistan. in fact, theres pretty much nothing. which is why every invading army in history has failed to conquer it, because at one point they all asked themselves 'why bother?'. and in case you didn't notice, we or our allies DID go into iraq. and what a mess that was. yes territory is power, but Afghanistan isnt really it for us. economics-wise, this entire war is a serious liability. not to mention that this is a coalition effort and that we really dont have full control of the area. our only priority now is to make sure their government can fend for itself when we finally give up on this whole sh!tstorm once and for all.

  105. ignorance is really bliss isnt it? genocide? please the word has been cheapened enough. and there is barely any oil in Afghanistan. its only value natural gas-wise is pipeline routes into iraq. and we're not even getting any of that either. and neither Karzai or the Iraq government are acting very puppet-like at the moment either. stop listening to Micheal Moore and look at whats actually happening.

  106. you ignorance is amazingly shocking. do you read real news? or do you kind of glance over Newsweek articles and let the gist kinda form in your mind?

  107. whatever it is your smoking i want some of it. how can you possibly ignore reality THAT much? do you watch those documentaries on 'the new world order' by any chance?

  108. in the battle between the extremists its always the moderates that are caught in the middle im afraid.

  109. you are arrogant in assuming that all afghan people are backwards savages who want to go back to 'the old ways'. they are simply people from another area and have different values, but to assume that the men and women dont want to get educated and work in a career is the height of ignorance. stoning women to death for any reason is WRONG. it is wrong in any culture and they know it. and before you go on another rant glorifying our peacekeeping abilities, let me inform you that "peacekeeping" is probably right up there with a school janitor in terms of usefulness. they are not allowed to intervene in anyway besides standing in between two warring factions while peace is negotiated. and mind you that only works when both sides actually WANT to stop fighting. when they dont, peacekeepers are about as useful as a stop sign.

  110. look at those numbers again. 150 lives over 10 years? more people die a month in car accidents. we are making plenty of progress with minimal loss. this is war. do you seriously expect to lose nobody?

  111. but the question is the same. should we leave and abandon an ally we made a commitment to?

  112. then why are millions voting at the risk of their own lives? why are women and girls attending school for the first time at GREAT risk to their health and safety? yes these are the actions of a hopelessly backwards people.

  113. once you finish primary school your going to look back on this and be rather embarrassed. as far as your actual points go, i think it would be wrong to simply do as you say and simply ignore the problems of the rest of the world. since the invasion there has been vast progress made in womens rights, and the fact is that the people want democracy and rights. they don't want to be living under the Taliban or any other terrorist group and to abandon them to this fate wold be cruel and unjust.

  114. I support the troops staying in a non-combat mission. Canada has built up a reputation as a peace-keeping nation, and I don't like seeing that thrown away. "In order to obtain anything, something of equal value must be lost." Our soldiers knew the risks and the hardships they would have to endure when they signed up, but they went anyway. Let us hope that there pain now can transfer into freedom for Afghanis in the future.

  115. I support the troops staying in a non-combat mission. Canada has built up a reputation as a peace-keeping nation, and I don't like seeing that thrown away. "In order to obtain anything, something of equal value must be lost." Our soldiers knew the risks and the hardships they would have to endure when they signed up, but they went anyway. Let us hope that there pain now can transfer into freedom for Afghanis in the future.

  116. Canadian Troops have been working in Afghanistan from many durations and they even they have lost their lifes in Afghanistan. Three Billyard Dollar have been helped from Canada to Afghanistan within these eight years and many of these funds embezzled because government of Afghanistan is drown in Corruption therefore I think that funds of Canada never go to the people of Afghanistan.

  117. Canadian Troops have been working in Afghanistan from many durations and they even they have lost their lifes in Afghanistan. Three Billyard Dollar have been helped from Canada to Afghanistan within these eight years and many of these funds embezzled because government of Afghanistan is drown in Corruption therefore I think that funds of Canada never go to the people of Afghanistan.

  118. I think we should support our troops because they’re risking their lives for our country. The most we can do is support them rather than keep on debating about if we should support them or not. We need to appreciate what they have done and what they are doing for Canada.The Taliban can not win because they will destroy the remaining untouched parts they haven’t got to yet. Canada is a peace keeping country. We should be proud of who we are.

  119. I think we should support our troops because they’re risking their lives for our country. The most we can do is support them rather than keep on debating about if we should support them or not. We need to appreciate what they have done and what they are doing for Canada.The Taliban can not win because they will destroy the remaining untouched parts they haven’t got to yet. Canada is a peace keeping country. We should be proud of who we are.

  120. & where have U been————in kindergarten????

  121. I do not believe we will leave bad feeling behind. Other than that our police are learning how to abuse us without getting caught, we have done a great service to these people. Having been there back in 1970 I know these people are just wanting a simple life. The most ridiculus idea is that the RCMP train the Afghan police. Give me a break. The Afghans don't need lessons in murdering or abusing those in custody.

  122. I do not believe we will leave bad feeling behind. Other than that our police are learning how to abuse us without getting caught, we have done a great service to these people. Having been there back in 1970 I know these people are just wanting a simple life. The most ridiculus idea is that the RCMP train the Afghan police. Give me a break. The Afghans don't need lessons in murdering or abusing those in custody.

  123. See Andrew Coyen article in the November 29th Macleans. Maybe we have to stay.

  124. learn to spell

  125. one thing you are not is a centrist

  126. spoken like a good little isreali

  127. i respect u my brother jst blew up in afghanistan jst 3 months ago

  128. you all who suport the war are stupid there country was built on religion and history and you cant cahange someone religion

    It is not right to go in and change someone's religion and beliefs that is what were trying to do you can not change the religion of someone or there beliefs of what is right in there country this whole mess is because of religion that's the bottom line it religion and you cant ever do anything to change religion

    IT RELIGION AND YOU JUST CANT CHANGE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  129. you all who suport the war are stupid there country was built on religion and history and you cant cahange someone religion

    It is not right to go in and change someone's religion and beliefs that is what were trying to do you can not change the religion of someone or there beliefs of what is right in there country this whole mess is because of religion that's the bottom line it religion and you cant ever do anything to change religion

    IT RELIGION AND YOU JUST CANT CHANGE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  130. either someone willing gives up on there belefs or they dont and if you seen a lot of thes men are stubborn and they beleve in there religion and laws there no way to change that no matter how mutch you try

    Ovsouly the mails are dominate and remain domaint to the women and remain like that and will do anything to keep that domiant over the women

  131. either someone willing gives up on there belefs or they dont and if you seen a lot of thes men are stubborn and they beleve in there religion and laws there no way to change that no matter how mutch you try

    Ovsouly the mails are dominate and remain domaint to the women and remain like that and will do anything to keep that domiant over the women

  132. i wana say thnks to all the brave troops in afghanistan and kandihar. i lov u all peac to u.

  133. i jst wana sat that 3 more brave soldiers died 2 days ago.

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