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  1. I’m all for legalizing marijuana but, first they need to develop a system for the police to road side test for cannabis and come up with laws that can be imposed similar to alcohol. Marijuana is every bit or more judgment impairing than booze and cannot be allowed on the road.

    • Pot has always been on the road….and you detect it the same way you detect alcohol. Smell, actions…..and if you want tech…..

      http://sensabues.com/

    • correct.

    • What do you think of this?

      “Simulated driving scores for subjects experiencing a normal social “high” and the same subjects under control conditions are not significantly different. However, there are significantly more errors for alcohol intoxicated than for control subjects”
      ~Crancer Study, Washington Department of Motor Vehicles

      “THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small”
      ~U.S. Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (DOT HS 808 07, Final Report, November 1993)

      “Compared to alcohol, which makes people take more risks on the road, marijuana made drivers slow down and drive more carefully…. Cannabis is good for driving skills, as people tend to overcompensate for a perceived impairment.”
      ~Professor Olaf Drummer, a forensic scientist the Royal College of Surgeons in Melbourne in 1996

      I’m not advocating for driving stoned, but I feel the fears are overstated.

      • The driver volunteers were Addy Norton, 27; Dylan Evans, 34; and Jeff Underberg, 56. They were all tested are various levels of “highness” and their driving of an obstacle course was observed.

        Norton arrived at the test with her THC blood level already at 16 nanograms, much more than the 5 nanogram limit set by I-502. Her first attempt at the driving test went fine, according to the instructor.

        When Norton’s THC level was at 36.7 nanograms, the driving instructor still classified her driving as okay. This is more than 7 times the legal limit. “I wouldn’t pull her off the road yet. No, not at this point,” the instructor said.

        Can you imagine someone driving a car with 7 times the legal limit of alcohol in their system? Not only would they be on the verge of possible alcohol poisoning, but it’s unlikely they would be able to operate a vehicle at all, much less safely.

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      • “[T]he finding that cannabis use rates did not differ across countries [USA, Netherlands, Canada] is not consistent with the contention that prohibition-oriented policies deter use or that liberal cannabis policies are associated with elevated adolescent use. Based on these findings, the case for strict laws and policies is considerably weaker for cannabis than for alcohol.”

        Source: Simons-Morton, B., Pickett, W., Boyce, W., ter Bogt, T. F. M., & Vollebergh, W. (2010). Cross-national comparison of adolescent drinking and cannabis use in the United States, Canada, and the Netherlands. Int J Drug Policy, 21(1), 64-69. doi: 10.1016/j.drugpo.2009.02.003

    • You’d be far wiser to be worried about texting and driving, and people on pharmaceutical pills. See my other posts.

      • I’ve also seen more accidents from kids “texting and driving” than I have alcohol-related accidents over the last few years, although, strangely enough, even though we’ve all heard that talking on a cell phone will kill you, I have yet to hear of this happening to an experienced driver…pretty much just young kids who are both inexperienced drivers, and easily distracted.

        There is still no trouble with cops using cell phones, CB radios, laptops, GPS units, etc…there has NEVER been a report of any such accident with cops…so are they “somehow superhuman” and all of us “somehow demonstrably inferior” or it it just another excuse to harass and confiscate money from the people who already pay their salaries, I wonder?

        • I don’t know how much cops use their radios while driving. When they do the license check, they are parked behind you on the side of the road.

          Many cops work in pairs and I am assuming the non driving one operates the radio.

          When people use their mobile devices and phones, they can get into conversations that last several minutes. I have the belief that cops radio conversations are much shorter.

          I don’t have any numbers on this, I am just reporting my general observations. Possibly this has been studied already, if so it would be good to learn more about this.

          • I agree with almost everything you said, but I also go for coffee at the shop next to the police station, so I’ve seen what I’ve seen for years…it’s nothing new. (It is no longer possible for a lot of cops to drive with a partner, as their laptops and other “mandatory equipment” take up most of the front passenger seat. This is one of the reasons that you see multiple cars responding to even a traffic stop these days…they’re afraid to be alone if they have to deal with the public.)

            Fact is, “the enforcers” are never held to account for that which they enforce on the rest of us, unless there is quite literally “massive public outrage”, or even worse…”the public finds out about something at all.” (There is a reason that they’re TERRIFIED of people videotaping THEM…and it isn’t because of any reason they “say” it is.)

            Must have been 15 or 20 years back, but a cop was talking on his radio and wasn’t paying attention to the road AT ALL and took out a tree across the street from my own front door! No charges laid, of course…and we ALL paid the thirty grand to replace the car, fix the lawn, and make sure he had his time off to recuperate. After all, he deserved it, right?

            Now, if they REALLY wanted to completely eliminate “distractions while driving”, all they have to do is make all cars capable of only carrying one person, so that any “distracting conversations” would be eliminated. Windows should no longer be allowed to be rolled down, so that there is no temptation for people to get coffee or other items through a “drive through window.” Cupholders should be BANNED, to keep people from “drinking ANYTHING and driving.” Radios, CD’s and MP3 players should be BANNED as well, since we’ve all heard of someone who had an accident while flipping through the stations, or after dropping a disc.

            There comes a time when we must admit that, even though we pay them a great deal of money, cops are NOT “superhuman” or “flawless” by any stretch of the imagination. They’re as human as the rest of us, and they are NOT infallible….except in court. When in court, THEY have 100% accurate recollection of EVERYTHING, even decades after a given event, they are ALWAYS 100% honest, and they NEVER distort anything to serve their own interests, or the interests of their employers.

            (sigh…)

          • You will remember what happened to the RCMP when they tasered Robert Dziekanski to death at the Vancouver Airport. The judge found the RCMP testimony self serving and inaccurate and charged them with homicide see http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/dziekanskis-death-by-taser-was-a-homicide-coroner-rules/article10871454/

            The Police have the SIU which is supposed to deal with insider problems but I agree with you that most times the police are found innocent.

            Quite frankly I am glad they found the policeman innocent in the “Adam Nobody” case at the G8. There were a lot of losers there that had no idea about the G8 and were only there to cause trouble. Like the Policeman’s car did not catch fire by itself.

            We have Division 52 in Toronto where these guys have to do a lot of drug raids. They know who the crooks are but if they stop some guy in a Mercedes outside a drug den at 3:00 in the morning, they have to have a specific reason for stopping the guy even if the car is found to be full of drugs.

            Overall I think the police are good guys and trying to do a good job but they are ruled by these Police Boards who have never been on a drug raid and have no idea what these guys have to deal with.

            We have the Toronto Star which is good at keeping track of crooked politicians but they give the police a hard time they don’t deserve.

            A lot of the drug dealers would be in jail if we didn’t have these Citizen’s Rights and John Birch Society bleeding hearts crying to the press and politicians every time the police lay a hand on a crook.

          • I have absolutely no problem with cops doing their jobs, and actually helping people. That’s why we pay them, after all. When they murder someone, they are far worse than “an average criminal” because they are expected–and specifically hired–to be “better than criminals.” They do tend to turn out to be “better AS criminals” more and more often these days…and in the next few years, this will only become more prevalent.

            I don’t know that holding TO up as a “positive example” is valid anymore, however, and especially not after the summer of 2010.

            Overall, I would also “like to think that” police are generally good people, but as time goes on, they have developed into a military force, with a military mindset: YOU ARE THE ENEMY. Almost all of them wear black uniforms. They wear helmets with visors to hide their faces. When not dressed in military attire, they like to wear balaclavas to hide their identities. This is NOT the action of an honest, upstanding citizen…this is the deliberate choice of a criminal, engaged in criminal activity. If they were not doing anything wrong, there would be no need to hide their faces from the people who pay their salaries.

            “Officer Bubbles” is a prime example. He treated HIS EMPLOYERS poorly, and when HIS EMPLOYERS saw his actions, they did what they could to get rid of him. His attitude is indicative of almost all cops these days. If they’re not outright criminals themselves, they protect them…if they wear the same uniform. They’re the biggest gang in the country…and if you aren’t wearing “their colours”, YOU are the enemy.

            There was a time when cops walked the streets as though they were still “lowly human beings like those who pay their salaries”, and I can still remember hearing children being told “If there is any trouble, you find the nearest policeman, and he’ll protect you.” Today? NOBODY in their right mind would say such an idiotic thing! Today? If a kid walks up to a cop, they’re bound to be “placed in protective custody” and immediately an investigation would be launched into the parents, the child would be questioned “Do you parents beat you?” “Do your parents touch you in places that make you uncomfortable?” “Show me on this doll…”

            Police are NOT what they were even 30 years ago. We need to recognize this, and stop avoiding the truth of the matter.

            I also had a known crackhouse next door to me for 14 years. NEVER ONCE was anything done to stop them from dealing ON THE MAIN STREET OF TOWN, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. On several occasions, I saw drug deals going down WITH A COP PARKED ACROSS THE STREET WATCHING IT HAPPEN!!!

            Now, to be fair, these people were dealing crack, which can actually kill people, and which actually does, quite regularly. So I can understand why they’d want those operations to continue…especially in comparison with how proud they are whenever they “bust someone” with “a few grams of plant matter in their pocket” and it’s headline news.

            Taken it all into consideration, knowing what I know first hand, and seeing the near complete reversal of public opinion towards the cops, as well as seeing the retirement of anyone who called themself a “policeman” or “policewoman” being steadily replaced with people who call themself a “Law Enforcement Officer”…I can guarantee you that things are only going to get worse.

            Of all the people who used to be cops who I consider friends, not a single one of them still works in that capacity. The good ones are GONE. The “half-assed ones” protect the bad ones.

            PS: NONE of the heads of ANY international drug cartel have EVER been taken down. NEVER ONCE. It’s all about attacking “users” and “possessors”…there is ZERO INTEREST in taking down the true suppliers, and the proof is in the fact that they know who they are, where they are, what they do, and rather than “drone strike them”…they are simply “left alone.”

            Until you are willing to admit the whole truth, and take information from both sides of the situation, you are essentially standing up for the second most damaging criminal gang in Canada…and when they want your fear, your property, your money, your freedom, no amount of past talking them up is going to do any good.

          • I think police brutality and crookedness varies from city to city. Certainly in the big cities, police are much more hardened. It seems that most police who work in the big cities want to get out to the smaller cities but there is not room for everyone.

            When I think of crookedness, I think of the RCMP and I would not trust them to investigate anything including “Duffygate”.

            Also when I think of crookedness I think of Montreal. I think the police there turned in Applebaum because they didn’t like him cleaning things up because they were getting a cut too.

            My contact with police has usually involved speeding tickets and I have always found them to be reasonable. I always speak honestly and respectfully to the police and often I get a warning rather than a ticket. I am usually wearing a white shirt and tie with a briefcase in the back seat and I think this helps as well.

            I had an incident when my son got in an accident with his truck and the policeman ended up coming to our house where we treated him very respectfully and the policeman ended up helping us in court to get the charges reduced.

          • One of the things that’s worried me over the last few decades is the prevalence of local, city and municipal governments closing down their local departments in favour of the “temporary cost savings” allegedly afforded by switching to provincial policing.

            Unfortunately, this leads to the same “big city policing mentality” even in small towns…and the “cost savings” are also always offset first by up-front costs, and then it turns out that the “new, less expensive service” rises just as quickly, or even faster, than the services which were replaced only a few short years before.

            100% agreement on “Duffygate.”

            I’ve seen police becoming less and less reasonable over the years, as far as personal encounters go. For example, several months ago, I was travelling with a friend to visit someone else, and we watched a semi speeding in the opposite direction, what I estimated was 90-100 kph in a 60 zone. There was an OPP cruiser directly in front of us, who promptly engaged his lights. The trucker was toast. Or so we thought.

            What ACTUALLY happened was that the cop pulled over–completely as expected–but he did not turn around and tear off after the speeding truck…he immediately pulled back onto the road and followed ME instead, choosing to target a vehicle BEHIND HIM, following at a safe distance, and driving at the same speed (68 kph by my speedo) as the cop in question.

            Stranger still, the cop then threw his lights on, at which point I puled over, still assuming that he was just going to pass and go after someone else. Not quite. He pulled in behind me and started asking questions, which I answered honestly and openly, and every question I answered simply made him angrier, at which point I said quite plainly “It seems like you have to target someone, and by answering your questions and seeing your agression rising with each answer, I think that you should just write up whatever ticket you want to and we’ll discuss it in court, and I will bring along my witness.”

            He then threatened me with “driving too slowly” (remember…he had just let off a speeding semi, and targetted the vehicle behind him instead!) so I was at a complete loss as to how this hapened, as was the person in the passenger seat.

            Luckily, I had a witness. It has also been my experience that if there is no witness, you ALWAYS get a ticket these days.

            In court, you are guilty until proven innocent, and if you do not have at least one witness to counter whatever the “100% honest, 100% reliable, 100% accurate, completely selfless Law Enforcement Officer” says, you can not prove your innocence. After all, you are just “the accused”, and since you are “accused” by someone who is “100% honest, 100% reliable, 100% accurate, completely selfless, and with absolutely perfect recall of all events, at all times”, and since it is further “known by the court” that you are always “lying” and “trying to get away with what you KNOW you did wrong” which was “100% accurately recorded and reported by the Law Enforcement Officer”…and the best part of it all is that if you have evidence which proves your innocence of any injury to anyone else, the court can simply “rule that evidence inadmissible”, thereby guaranteeing that “they win” and “you lose.”

            I understand EXACTLY where you’re coming from, because I once believed everything that you currently do, but my experience has changed over time, and it has changed very drastically, despite me not changing my lifestyle, or driving a different car since 1985. Same car, same driver, COMPLETELY different situations, and in few cases can I not instantly predict the outcome whenever I see someone else being pulled over.

            The time has come to stop relying on the past, as past experience has absolutely no bearing on the present, and it will be even less so in the future, as Canada slips deeper and deeper into fascist control.

          • Again I think it varies by geography. We have a cottage in Bruce County where our municipal police dept has been taken over by the provincial police. We have not noticed any difference. I find the younger police officers (both men and women) are nicer to deal with than the older ones but to me they are all pretty good.

            My daughter got into some trouble with blowing over about 15 years ago and the police officer took her back to the station and let her sit for 2 hours until she got a lower reading which he entered into the books. She still got her license suspended but I think the guy was trying to help her as best he could.

            But your stories suggest that police are different in different areas.

            I have 2 retired policeman as friends and they are both really good people with their heads on straight and positive attitudes.

            But its true, the divorce rate is high among police officers and there seem to be a lot of reports about violence with their wives. So maybe I have just been lucky.

          • Actually, it doesn’t vary much by geography, but seems to be more by “organization” and by time itself.

            Fewer and fewer “non-criminals” have NOT had some bad experience with a cop, and as time progresses, this seems to be happening more and more often. There is the wonderful “excuse” used against the people that “ignorance of the law is no excuse”, and yet, firstly, no Canadian is provided with a complete list of current statutes to become familiar with, let alone the daily updates which would be required to ensure “current knowledge” is even available, thereby guaranteeing their “ignorance of the law”, thereby explicitly providing a legitimate excuse of “complete ignorance of statutory legal constructions”, which is then rather conveniently “statutorily removed”, and secondly, almost nobody even understands that “law” is no longer practiced in Canada, as British Common Law (which applies to living beings) has been completely supplanted by “maritime law” or “business law” or “corporate law” or one of the many other terms for “contract law”, which applies to beings who have entered into a mutual agreement, both parties being fully informed and in agreement.

            What we “are told to believe” are “laws” are actually “one-sided contractual agreements” which we were never a party to, nor were we ever fully informed, and therefore, could never have consented to by virtue of our never having been informed we were being entered into a contract without either being fully informed, or even asked if we consented.

            And again, any people who were cops that I believe are decent, upstanding people, are also RETIRED, so again, you can NOT trust “active duty militarized police” based on your experience with a retired cop. The retired cop is not “legally obligated under contract of employment” to refuse to think…and in fact, they do so. This is one of the reasons that more and more retired cops are joining http://LEAP.cc (see also: http://CopsSayLegalizeDrugs.com), while “active duty” cops will not, or can not join this organization, as speaking the truth WILL put their jobs in jeopardy…and they know it.

            Pass the link on to your retired cop friends…they’ll probably be valuable assets in the community once they join!

            As to the divorce rates, sadly, when you spend 12 hours a day treating “anyone you meet” as a criminal, without any rights, and you cease to see other people as human, this tends to carry through in all aspects of life…but you don’t see this, for some completely unknown reason, in retired cops, as they started their jobs at a different time in history…it wasn’t Mayberry by any means, but when I was a kid, there were a lot more cops out there like Andy than there are today…

            Despite not having any criminal record myself, I have learned that I am a target, at all times, by all police, for any reason, or for no reason at all…and that does not sit well with me, or with my view that if you are not doing anything wrong, you should NOT be persecuted for no other reason than either the enrichment of the government or whatever corporation pays the cop’s salary, or for the cop’s personal ego self-gratification.

            We need more “old cops”…like we used to have. Just plain old honest guys who really DID sign up to try and help people, and make this world a better place. Not these ones who are “out to prove something to anyone they possibly can.”

            It would also be nice if the courts didn’t keep letting rapists and murderers and child molesters back on the streets, while locking up “plant growers” or people who “possess xxx amount of safe, non-toxic, medicinally beneficial plant matter.”

            Call me crazy, but I’d feel a hell of a lot safer with a “pothead” next door growing a couple dozen plants in their garden than I would living next door to a guy who watches the neighbourhood children getting off the school bus through a crack in his second-story window blinds…but hey, that’s just me…I guess more people out there just prefer having a nice, upstanding child molester than a “stoner” in their neighbourhood?

          • I have no problem with cops doing their jobs either as long as the laws they are enforcing make sense and are just. Absolutely a necessity!

            “In any civilized society, it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
            ~Martin Luther King Jr.

          • The sooner we get back to common law in court, unless there was a consentual and fully informed agreement (contract) involved, the sooner we can dispense with the “money making schemes” of police and politicians, and let REAL cops do their REAL jobs again.

            We could start this process by eliminating as many fraudulent statutes as possible…starting with prohibition.

          • that was a coroners report

          • the globe link was dated Apr. 08 2013 and this is a new development. What makes you think I have any specific interest in the dziekanski taser case?

          • … John Birch Society bleeding hearts…

            Uh, I think you mean John Howard Society. The John Birtch Society are as far away from bleeding heart as you can get!

            (I get them confused as well.)

          • I agree that John Birch is very right wing when the protesters in this case were left wing. So you have a point there.

            I was thinking more of the idea of John Birch for less government and more freedom for individuals.

            Anyway, I thought the protesters at the G8 were simply there to make trouble and were not there to specifically protest the G8.

    • About 20 years back (give or take) I’d been at a friend’s house and “imbibed” rather heavily. After several hours, I was simply too tired to stay up any longer, and I decided it was time to head home.

      As I pulled onto the main street of town, I was pulled over. During the course of the stop, I got the officer to admit quite a few things that we both already knew.

      The least important (not counting the abuse of my “right to travel”) was that he’d REALLY only pulled me over because it was 3AM and “he thought it suspicious that I was driving at that hour.”

      The most important were the MANY specific questions I asked of the officer BEFORE he admitted this. I asked “did I drive over the curb?” “No.” “Did I hit any parked vehicles?” “No.” “Was I weaving from lane to lane?” “No.” and several other questions along the same line, and when I sensed he was getting agitated at being questioned (after all, it’s HIS job to make me afraid of him!) I asked one final question:

      “So what you’re saying is that you pulled me over SOLELY because you ‘thought it was suspicious’ that I was driving home at 3AM, and you saw absolutely nothing wrong with my driving, and that I appeared to be under full care and control of my vehicle?”

      He said “Yes.”

      At that point, I simply told the officer that I was tired, and I want to go home, so whatever ticket he wanted to give me was acceptable to me, and we’d discuss our conversation in court as soon as possible.

      The officer handed me back my paperwork, and threatened that he would be
      watching me. (I never saw that particular officer again, to my knowledge. Not pulling up behind me, anyway.)

      I finished the last 4 blocks home, parked, went to bed, and slept. Woke the next morning without a hangover, went to the college as I would any other day. End of story.

      Of course, my own personal experience as a RARE cannabis smoker–I can’t
      even consider it “occasional”–is that not only does cannabis NOT affect your driving, but that it both makes you more conscious of what you’re doing at the time, AND that is is completely undetectable as any form of “obvious impairment” of your ability to drive, my witness being a “sworn officer of the law.”

      Those who are “regular” or “heavy” or “medicinal” cannabis users develop a tolerance, and can function just fine with cannabinoids in their systems…and at MUCH higher levels than I can ingest without immediately seeking the nearest couch.

      Now, I’ve seen drunks get behind the wheel before, and that is a GENUINE CONCERN, but the plain truth of the matter is that rarely, if ever, will a person become “impaired” so as to become unable to drive.

      Again, I restate the fact that this WAS a good 20 years ago…I’m not reccommending that anyone smoke two joints and go for a cruise, as that would be irresponsible at best. I am simply making the point that if you are going to use an argument against something you should first have knowledge of what you speak, and second, it should be based in FACT, rather than propaganda.

      One final note is this: ALL tests for “cannabis intoxication” only test for inactive cannabinoid metabolites which CAN NOT IN ANY WAY impair your ability to drive. These metabolites can be detected in blood samples for up to 65 days. If there is ever going to be a test, it must test for ACTIVE cannabinoid compounds, and it must also be 100% certain that the test ONLY detects phytocannabinoid compounds and not the endocannabinoids produced by the human body, and required for all major systems in the body.

      Knowing this, and knowing that if you were to take a puff today, get pulled over TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, and still be charged with “impaired driving” even though it’s been TWO MONTHS since you would have even “had a buzz”…there is more than one thing wrong with this line of anti-reasoning propaganda, which is akin to “religious belief” where we must suspend all rational thought in order to come to “some preordained conclusion” written by statute lawyers and politicians who could care less about FACTS if it means they can remove someone’s rights and “legally” steal their property, their money, and their freedom.

    • Sorry, but your statement ‘every bit or more judgment impairing’ is absolute nonsense. Booze kills hundreds of thousands of people in car accidents around the world every year. Hundreds of thousands.

      Pot? “Marijuana has a measurable yet relatively mild effect on psychomotor
      skills, yet it does not appear to play a significant role in vehicle crashes, particularly when compared to alcohol.” The stats show nearly 0 deaths as a direct result of marijuana – in fact, most ‘marijuana related deaths’ in drivers are ascribed to individuals who had been abusing both alcohol and marijuana, and based on the proven DUI deaths, just take a guess what was the real offender in that equation.

      Things are relative – I agree with you wholeheartedly that we need effective tests for marijuana smoking on the road – but it is not ‘first’ required before enacting legalization policy. Just because we can effectively test for excessive inebriation does not stop people from getting into their cars and killing – again – hundreds of thousands of people every year. Hundreds of thousands.

      • Well said brother.

    • I would agree completely, but prescription drugs, tiredness and having kids in the car can all impair judgement while driving and there are no tests for those. The decision to drive while impaired in any way is the danger, not people smoking pot.

      • Good point!

    • People who are going to drive stoned, already do. Waiting for it to be testable before making it legal won’t do anything.

    • Kannie should really do some research about the differences between alcohol & cannabis…The work has already been done but people like you that like to run with the herd of the ignorant while being pleased within themselves of their acceptance should really rise above it all and find out for your selves it is important that not too many should have to listen to your diatribe…Find out what the truth really is and then speak it clearly …People will listen…

  2. Shouldn’t the second option be “No. Pot users are criminals”???

    As written, the 4 options seem to boil down to 1) Pot users are not criminals. 2) Pot users are not criminals. 3) Not Sure. 4) I’m high.

    I think that pot should be legalized, and that it’s silly for users to be treated as criminals, but shouldn’t people who believe that pot users SHOULD be treated as criminals have an option to select in the poll?

    Oh Macleans and your useless polls. At least you rarely try to hid how inane they are, which is, I suppose, the main point that these polls are always trying to make.

  3. wow this survey sure is biased. I am against legalizing, marijuana has detrimental effects, as I have witnessed in the many years of volunteering with a local organization that assists men with mental illness and addictions. You cannot convince me that legal pot use would help society

    • Okay, we won’t bother.

      • I will.

        • LOL Go for it then.

          • Check it out.

          • Lotta good stuff on here since I last saw the page!

    • Let me context your quote slightly, to amplify why it’s meaninglessness…

      “wow this survey sure is biased. I am against legalizing, Alcohol has
      detrimental effects, as I have witnessed in the many years of
      volunteering with a local organization that assists men with mental
      illness and addictions. You cannot convince me that legal alcohol use would
      help society”

      There, all fixed.

      • Al, that point of view.. it’s actually correct. If you look, you can find that alcohol consumption was present prior to the commission of most crimes, and in almost 100% of any crime that was not pre-meditated.

        If it weren’t for the fact that people really like to drink, our society would be far better off if prohibition was accepted.

        The problem with 1920’s prohibition is that they tried to do it from the top down. Impose the law and hope that people would follow despite literally centuries of the behaviour being acceptable. That’s obviously never going to work. You need to first change people’s attitudes toward drinking. It needs to be socially unacceptable before it can ever successfully be legally unacceptable.

        The best example here is smoking. Laws outlawing smoking in public restaurants only 30 years ago would have had the same effect as prohibition did in the 30s.. these days though.. it’s standard practice.

    • How many martinis did you swill before you came up with that little gem?

    • This is the side you are on.

      “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
      ~Harry J. Anslinger – lynchpin in starting prohibition.

      “…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”
      ~Harry J. Anslinger

      “Casual drug users should be taken out and shot” – Darryl Gates (Chief of LAPD & US Senate Judiciary Committee)

      Luckily alcohol isn’t a drug…. we’d be shooting half the population.
      As long as it has a label and a bar code it isn’t a drug right?

      This is the side we are on.

      “…marijuana is one of the safest, therapeutically active substances known to man.” – Judge Francis Young (DEA)

      “There are no long lasting ill-effects from the acute use of marijuana and no fatalities have ever been recorded … there seems to be growing agreement within the medical community, at least, that marijuana does not directly cause criminal behavior, juvenile delinquency, sexual excitement, or addiction”

      Dr. J. H. Jaffe weed quotes (The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics 1965)

      • “The commission has come to the conclusion that the moderate use of hemp drugs is practically attended by no evil results at all. … …moderate use of hemp… appears to cause no appreciable physical injury of any kind,… no injurious effects on the mind… [and] no moral injury whatever.”

        ~Indian Hemp Drugs Commission, 1894

        “Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor’s Committee (1944 – LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects” “the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable”

        ~1968 UK ROYAL COMMISSION, THE WOOTTON REPORT

        “Cannabis is remarkably safe. Although not harmless, it is surely less toxic than most of the conventional medicines it could replace if it were legally available. Despite its use by millions of people over thousands of years, cannabis has never caused an overdose death.”

        ~Testimony of Professor Lester Grinspoon, M.D., Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, before the Crime Subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C., October 1, 1997

        “marijuana is beneficial to many patients”

        ~Jocelyn Elders, USA Surgeon General

        “Users in our matched-pair sample smoked marijuana in addition to as many tobacco cigarettes as did their matched non-using pairs. Yet their small airways were, if anything, a bit healthier than their matches. We must tentatively conclude either that marijuana has no harmful effect on such passages or that it actually offers some slight protection against harmful effects of tobacco smoke”
        ~Cannabis in Costa Rica: A Study of Chronic marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues

        “The use of marijuana does not lead to morphine or heroin or cocaine addiction and no effort is made to create a market for these narcotics by stimulating the practice of marijuana smoking”
        ~The LaGardia sub-committee of New York 1944

        “Most marijuana users do not go on to use other drugs.”
        ~”marijuana: Facts for Teens.” U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Washington, D.C. 1995, p.10..”

        ~”marijuana: Facts for Teens.” U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Washington, D.C. 1995, p.10.

        “Simulated driving scores for subjects experiencing a normal social “high” and the same subjects under control conditions are not significantly different. However, there are significantly more errors for alcohol intoxicated than for control subjects”
        ~Crancer Study, Washington Department of Motor Vehicles

        “THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small”
        ~U.S. Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (DOT HS 808 07, Final Report, November 1993

        “Compared to alcohol, which makes people take more risks on the road, marijuana made drivers slow down and drive more carefully…. Cannabis is good for driving skills, as people tend to overcompensate for a perceived impairment.”
        ~Professor Olaf Drummer, a forensic scientist the Royal College of Surgeons in Melbourne in 1996

        • “In any civilized society, it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
          ~Martin Luther King Jr.

          “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
          ~Biblical – Genesis 1:29

          Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction.
          -Bob Marley

          • “Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn’t the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit . . . unnatural”
            – Bill Hicks

            “Marijuana is not a narcotic. It is technically an Oriental herbal medicine which Koreans have used for 5,000 years.”

            -Kim Bu-Seon

            “In terms of legalization of drugs, I think that the war on drugs has been a failure and I think we need to rethink to decriminalize our marijuana laws, but I’m not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana. What I do believe is we need to rethink how we were operating in the drug wars and I think that currently we’re not doing a good job”

            -Barack Obama

          • “If one seeks relief from unbearable pressure, one is to eat hashish.”
            -Friedrich Nietzsche

            The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world”
            -Carl Sagan

            “We did not view marijuana as a significant health problem–as it was not….Nobody dies from marijuana. marijuana smoking, in fact, if one wants to be honest, is a source of pleasure and amusement to countless millions of people in America, and it continues to be that way”
            Peter Bourne (President Carter’s Drug Czar)

          • “Make the most of the Indian Hemp Seed and sow it everywhere”
            -George Washington -1st US President

            “I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?”
            -Willie Nelson

            “When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point.” – —Barack Obama

          • “I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast” – Ronald Reagan

            Did we mention he was the one that declared the first major War on Drugs? The same exact War on Drugs that’s costing and losing us $23,996,032,192+ a YEAR!! (

            “The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.”

            – Albert Einstein quote on Hemp

          • “Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact… These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff. And the disrespect for the possession laws fosters a disrespect for laws and the system in general… On top of this is the distinct impression among the youth that some police may use the marihuana laws to arrest people they don’t like for other reasons, whether it be their politics, their hair style or their ethnic background.” “Federal and state laws (should) be changed to no longer make it a crime to possess marijuana for private use.” ; “State laws should make the public use of marijuana a criminal offense punishable by a $100 fine. Under federal law, marijuana smoked in public would merely be subject to seizure.”
            ~President Richard M. Nixon’s National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse “Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding” March 1972

            “Congress should definitely consider decriminalizing possession of marijuana… We should concentrate on prosecuting the rapists and burglars who are a menace to society.”
            ~Dan Quayle U.S. Representative and Vice president under President Bush March 1977

            “The greatest service that can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture.”
            ~Thomas Jefferson

          • I’d rather listen to these people than you.

          • “The most potent argument against the use of marijuana to treat medical disorders is that marijuana may cause the acceleration or aggravation of the very disorders it is being used to treat.

            Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled
            microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungsto fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with
            already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the
            possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients.”

            http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

          • Cannabis is not alcohol. It can have different effects. People may often abuse it, but most times, they are impaired due to drinking, and weed was just another smoke that night. Cannabis also acts differently from alcohol in that it is felt less and less the more is smoked, or the person falls asleep after smoking a lot of potent weed. Other people find cannabis to help them feel clear and it makes them get up and work on things. Legalisation is inevitable.

        • “People who smoke marijuana are more likely to have respiratory problems,with chronic marijuana smoking having a probable connection to acute and chronic bronchitis, emphysema, bronchial asthma, and chronic obstructivepulmonary disease (COPD). Chronic, heavy use of cannabis had been associated with abdominal pain, severe nausea, and intractable vomiting. The Institute of Medici
          ne reports that studies at the levels of cells and molecules provide strong evidence that cannabis smoke is a carcinogen. Marijuana smoke produces 50% more hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke; and hydrocarbons are the chemicals associated with lung cancer, and has
          been linked to both pre-cancerous growths and to cancer of the lung, head and neck, and testis. Marijuana smoke has been shown to be both mutagenic (causing mutations) and teratogenic (causing birth defects). In fact, when women smoke marijuana during pregnancy, their children may have permanent effects on memory, information processing, and executive functions.”

          http://www.councilonalcoholism.net/images/Page%204%20Physical%20Dangers%20&%20Birth%20Defects.pdf

          • Hey, thanks for presenting this in a fashion that is respectful, but come on!! You actually believe those crap pharmaceutical sponsored studies? They began making statements like this.

            “…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”
            ~Harry J. Anslinger

            “marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”
            ~Harry J. Anslinger

            “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
            ~Harry J. Anslinger

            “You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”
            ~Harry J. Anslinger

            “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”

            ~Harry Anslinger, 1937 testimony to Congress in support of the marijuana Tax Act.

          • Then continued with crap like this!!!

            “There is no way currently to treat cannabis dependence with medication, so this is big considering the magnitude of the cannabis problem in the U.S. And this is the first time it has ever been demonstrated that exercise can reduce cannabis use in people who don’t want to stop.” WTF??

            Peter Martin (M.D., director of the Vanderbilt Addiction Center)

            Bull Sh$t!!!

            Whee are the bodies??

            Tobacco: 430,000+ direct deaths in the US per year – totally legal
            Marijuana: 0 direct deaths in THOUSANDS of years of use! And Marijuana is illegal?!?! WTF!!!

            Have you ever heard of the endocanabinoid system in your body?? It regulates every other system in your body; immune system, nervous system, endocrine system… and the only source of canabinoids in nature other than your own body is the cannabis plant!!

            That is why it acts incredibly positively on so many different conditions…. from cancer to Parkinson’s to Alzheimer’s!

            Cannabis is not a drug. It is the most important plant on the planet! And it’s F$&@ing Illegal!

            Brilliant!!

          • The Endocannabinoid System and cancer explained by Dr. Robert Melamede PhD. University of Colorado.

            http://youtu.be/n31Nuj_AvTg

      • Which of the Harry J Anslinger’s quotes do you like most? He was one of the father’s of cannabis prohibition in the US… along with William Randolph Hurst who ran similar articles in his magazines and newspapers using racism, blatant lies and scare tactics coining the term “Yellow Journalism”. Coincidentally, he had significant interest in the timber industry (hemp was becoming a huge threat). What better way to squash the competition than to make it illegal. That’s where the name marihuana came from. Everyone knew how amazing hemp was!!! So they called it some slang name of another Mexican plant so nobody knew they were really outlawing hemp.

        • “Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?”
          – Henry Ford

          http://youtu.be/BFDDVt5M8W0

      • A little more for your side of the argument…

        9. Prohibition diverts billions from the needy. More than 50 government agencies feed at the drug war trough. Food stamps and other social programs are being slashed while billions are spent trying to stop adults from using marijuana.

        4. Promising medical research is thwarted. The discovery of naturally occurring marijuana-like substances in the human body that activate so-called cannabinoid receptors has opened up vast possibilities for new medicines derived from the 66 or so cannabinoids identified in marijuana. These receptors are not just in the brain, but also found in many other parts of the body including the immune, endocrine and reproductive systems.

        • 7. Criminalizing marijuana lacks moral justification. A real crime implies a victim and a perpetrator. Can you imagine being jailed for robbing yourself? As insane as this sounds, our government has done the equivalent by making adult use of marijuana a crime.
          Only a depraved, corrupt government could invent a crime you commit against yourself.

          6. Marijuana users are not debased human beings. Cultures throughout history – and pre-history! – have altered their minds with a variety of drugs. Billions around the world derive positive benefits from mind-altering drugs (especially from alcohol, nicotine, caffeine and marijuana).
          Demonizing and criminalizing some drugs, while approving others without rational criteria, is clearly arbitrary and deceitful. Why are marijuana users criminals while alcohol and tobacco users are not? Why are marijuana dealers demonized, but alcohol and tobacco dealers are not?

          5. Marijuana is effective medicine. There’s overwhelming evidence that marijuana can safely relieve pain, nausea and vomiting caused by various illnesses. In fact, marijuana is patently safer than many commonly prescribed drugs.

    • I am a stoner, I use marijuana to help with my autism, my depression, anxiety. I have a bad liver and kidneys, and can have half a glass of wine and know I should not be driving. I would pass the road side test and I could still run someone over. Marijuana on the other hand, is a much more mild effect than alcohol, even if you consume a lot more. It is a social thing just like alcohol, except no one beats the crap out of eachother when smoking i, no one can overdose on it. I feel loving towards others 80% of the canadian population ADMIT to smoking it, and that doesnt include midnight tokers.

      It doesnt matter who you work with or what you ‘see’ it do to others. You will not understand it, no matter how many textbooks you read, until you experience it first hand, you will be fed lies by ‘picked’ studies spreading a world of misinformation.

      Just remember, LSD itself has led to two nobel winning discoveries. Virtually every scientist smokes pot.

      “The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.”

      – Carl Sagan, American astronomer, astrophysicist, cosmologist, author, science popularizer and science communicator in astronomy and natural sciences

      “The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.”

      – Albert Einstein

      • Amen. Shame on anyone who thumbs their nose at you for using a substance that is not only safe, but works tremendously well, is not physically addictive, and has never caused a single overdose death in thousands of years of use. Meanwhile they force you to get 2, 5, 10 prescriptions with unwanted side effects being covered up by more and more of their pills. All this to keep lining the pockets of the pharmaceutical giants which in turn greatly influence the people in power’s decisions towards cannabis. The truth has been covered up, but this is the information age. Info travels so much easier now… that’s why the abysmal policy of cannabis prohibition is beginning to crumble. People who have a problem with you using cannabis are flat out ignorant. Get off your arse people and research the endocanabinoid system! Look at the evidence. It is staring you in the face. Unless you want to call this guy a liar?

        “In any civilized society, it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
        ~Martin Luther King Jr.

    • Why do I keep finding articles like this? Are they all lying? Ever heard of the endo-canabinoid system in your body? If not, you should research it.

      An article on Collective Evolution said the study suggested the activation of the brain’s cannabinoid system triggers the release of antioxidants, which act as a cleansing mechanism.
      Such a process may remove damaged cells and improve the efficiency of mitochondria, the energy source that powers cells, it added.

      New insights
      “These discoveries shed new insight on how natural marijuana cannabinoids hold the capacity to literally kill the brain inflammation responsible for causing cognitive decline, neural failure, and brain degeneration. By supplying these receptor sites with cannabinoids, patients may be able to overcome brain conditions like Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, Huntington’s disease, and more, not to mention premature brain aging,” it said.

        • It doesn’t make you stupid, it makes you think. Prompting worried politicians trying to maintain a certain level of control over us to make statements like this:

          These young people get together, read books, smoke Marijuana and talk.”

          -Ronald Reagan

          Read books and talk? How dare they! What makes them think they have the right to do that?

    • How about the fact that it drives violent organized crime for a relatively harmful substance which people are going to use wether it’s legal or not.

      Yes, people with some mental illnesses shouldn’t use it, like they shouldn’t use alcohol, gamble, smoke, eat certain foods, etc. That is no excuse to keep it from otherwise responsible adults.

      • ~If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”

        – Thomas Jefferson

  4. I’m quite sure the 2nd option was a typo. Obviously, they don’t expect a person to answer that pot shouldn’t be legalized, with the explanation that they’re NOT criminals. However, might have been a Freudian slip by the web designer.

  5. Marijuana should be regulated and taxed like tobacco and alcohol.

    • Yes, and they should also auto-pardon my criminal record and refund the $1350+ I’ve splashed out over the years in possession fines.

      • ~If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”

        – Thomas Jefferson

    • Wrong. Prohibition should be repealed. If this were to occur (and it would in a non-fascist society), the taxes would come from standard retail sales taxes that we all agree on, even though they are unapportioned taxes, and we honestly have absolutely no idea where they really go.

      To grow a plant in your own garden should require no license, no taxes, and no unwarranted controls. (e.g: you’re trying to grow 10,000 plants on top of an apartment building.)

      To grow for medicinal use should not be “purged from your list of rights” but encouraged, as it will reduce the amount of money the rest of us have to pay for your health care, as it simply reduced symptoms which are otherwise treated with toxic pharmaceutical chemicals which ALL have a multitude of negative effects. (They’re not “side-effects” at all…they’re EFFECTS! If you don’t take them, you have no “effects” from them! There is NO SUCH THING as a “side-effect!”)

      Personally, I think that if a medicinal cannabis patient wanted to grow their own medicine and reduce the burden on the “health care” system, they should be given a 24’x24′ greenhouse and all the materials they would need to get started! After two or three years, we’d break even on the costs for getting a patient set up to grow their own medicine, and they could even use the greenhouse to provide a small amount of their food as well, providing THEM an additional benefit! Who could possibly complain about providing a long-lasting benefit to those who genuinely need it, while saving ALL of us money over the long term? (Politicians, lawyers, prison lobbyists and cops who want “easy jobs”…that’s who!)

      Now, if a greenhouse operator or farmer wants to grow on a larger scale, they should also be allowed to do so, and with the same regulations as currently exist with all of their other crops, with the exception that NO TOXIC CHEMICALS BE USED ON THEIR CANNABIS CROPS. That way, any farmer could grow a field full of cannabis, and if it had medicinal value, it could then be sold on the open market in the following ways:

      1) Seeds: Food, bio-diesel, oil (lubricants, other petroleum fuel replacements, raw material for paints, plastics, etc.), saved for next year’s crop, sold to the “recreational” gardener.

      2) Stalks/stems/hurds/fibre: Fibre for textiles, paper, composite building materials, automotive panels, foams, interior materials, carpets and bio-degradable plastic components, insulation, hempcrete, hemp-based roofing tiles/shingles, clothing, etc.

      3) Root: This can be used to make medicinal teas, tinctures and topical creams for various conditions.

      What farmer in their right mind wouldn’t want to grow a plant with three separate CLASSES of markets open to them? It would be like guaranteeing themselves a steady income! Since it grows so quickly, even if there was a “disaster” a month into the season, they could still replant and save their farms BEFORE another year had to pass!

      Add to this the fact that since cannabis (especially when grown as hemp) removes toxic chemicals form the soil, and requires little to no chemical fertilizers, herbicides, fungicides or pesticides, this would also translate into a GENERALLY SAFER food supply, as there would be less chemicals in a post-hemp field to be absorbed by subsequent crops!

      Oppressive taxation has already proven a dismal failure in other products such as fuel, alcohol, tobacco just to name a few…as there is still a market for them, and as we saw in the 90’s, oppressive taxation ALWAYS leads to an underground market. In the case of tobacco, they actually FIXED THE PROBLEM by lowering tobacco taxes to a far more reasonable “only 2-300%”, and they ELIMINATED tobacco smuggling ENTIRELY! Since that time, they’ve gone back to oppressive taxation, and now the smuggling comes for China and India due to the much higher profit margins involved…but now it’s not Canadian-made tobacco sold to the states and smuggled back…now it’s Chinese and Indian tobacco…and they don’t have the same quality standards as in Canada!

      They fixed the smuggling problem BY ACCIDENT…then re-created the entire problem and made it words PURELY through oppressive taxation!

      As for alcohol taxes…next time you’re near the border, buy a bottle of whatever you like at the duty-free shop…then price the same bottle at the local LCBO…the difference is surprising…and it’s ALL because of the taxes, and NOTHING ELSE! (It is also said that the duty-free actually makes a much higher markup over cost to hide the HUGE offset the lower taxes make in the sale price.)

  6. At this point of time it’s difficult to test for cannabis while driving (Colorodo and Washington are trying different methods, since it’s 100% legal in those states, and no one died). You could smoke pot after work, then have dinner, enjoy your evening, go to bed, wake up in the morning to drive to work the next day and even though you’re 100% not stoned, the THC blood levels would have been unchanged as it remains in your system.

    And Vikki, if you worked for a legitimate mental health/addictions program, you would know cannabis does not cause any mental illness. Those people had a mental illness to begin with, and certain strains of cannabis amplify these affects. Most mental health affects are also more common in children, not adults. Children under 19 shouldn’t be drinking, smoking, or using cannabis and weather it’s legal or not, it’s easier for a teenager to obtain illegal drugs then it is to get alcohol or cigarettes. Some children in the United States use cannabis for cancer treatment, where in this case it is used under medical supervision and not bought off the street and done in secrecy. Cannabis also has no addictive properties, any addiction to cannabis is purely mental, not physical. If someone feels they are experiencing a “physical” addiction to cannabis, they may have some kind of health problem that hasn’t been addressed and cannabis has been either a way to help a medical condition, or hide it. Much like many people with some health problems, social anxiety, depression, PTSD become alcoholics. Mental illness/trauma is usually behind alcohol addiction, and although alcohol is responsible for many physical health issues, mental health isn’t one of them.

    Much like penicillin, or peanuts, cannabis just isn’t for some people. Also, many people use far too much per use. Having 1g+ per use could be fine for a lot of people, but I’ve found many medical users that only use .2-.5g/use where they have 1-2 puffs every few hours which relieves the medical symptom they’re treating without any negative side affects. However, when some people over do it they can experience anxiety, and it doesn’t happen again with a reduction of their intake. Also, medicinal users buy cannabis from Health Canada and Marijuana Dispensaries, where it is regulated and prescription based and negative symptoms are very low. Many ill affects from cannabis are from people who source it from dealers where a user doesn’t know where it’s from, if it contains mold, chemicals. How can you buy something from a drug dealer and be surprised something bad happened? Remember people dying during alcohol prohibition from bath tub brew?

    Colorado and Washington already have 100% legal cannabis for medicinal and recreational purposes. Regulating cannabis like we do natural supplements or alcohol will increase public safety, health officials would be able to do further testing and monitor possible side affects. It will also generate lots of tax income if the government regulates cannabis like alcohol. All that the government is doing by keeping it illegal is facilitating an income for organized crime and drug dealers. No one else benefits from it being illegal. Cannabis has also been scientifically proven to reduce/cure specific strains of cancer. If your loved used cannabis for their cancer, would you want them to go to prison?

    • Saying it “just isn’t for some people” really trivializes the amount of damage it can do on that small percent of the population that is susceptible to problems.

      We’re talking triggering *severe* anxiety disorders that can last, literally, a lifetime. An effect that can occur after single exposure.

      I would tend to agree that it probably shouldn’t be illegal, but should only be available under strict medical supervision, especially until the side effects and demographic risks are better understood.

      • The commission has come to the conclusion that the moderate use of hemp drugs is practically attended by no evil results at all. … …moderate use of hemp… appears to cause no appreciable physical injury of any kind,… no injurious effects on the mind… [and] no moral injury whatever.”

        ~Indian Hemp Drugs Commission, 1894

        “Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor’s Committee (1944 – LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects” “the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable”

        ~1968 UK ROYAL COMMISSION, THE WOOTTON REPORT

        “Cannabis is remarkably safe. Although not harmless, it is surely less toxic than most of the conventional medicines it could replace if it were legally available. Despite its use by millions of people over thousands of years, cannabis has never caused an overdose death.”

        ~Testimony of Professor Lester Grinspoon, M.D., Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, before the Crime Subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C., October 1, 1997

        “marijuana is beneficial to many patients”

        ~Jocelyn Elders, USA Surgeon General

        “Users in our matched-pair sample smoked marijuana in addition to as many tobacco cigarettes as did their matched non-using pairs. Yet their small airways were, if anything, a bit healthier than their matches. We must tentatively conclude either that marijuana has no harmful effect on such passages or that it actually offers some slight protection against harmful effects of tobacco smoke”
        ~Cannabis in Costa Rica: A Study of Chronic marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues

        “The use of marijuana does not lead to morphine or heroin or cocaine addiction and no effort is made to create a market for these narcotics by stimulating the practice of marijuana smoking”
        ~The LaGardia sub-committee of New York 1944

        “Most marijuana users do not go on to use other drugs.”
        ~”marijuana: Facts for Teens.” U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Washington, D.C. 1995, p.10..”

        • That’s wonderful that you can spew a lot of cherry-picked bits and pieces from a bunch of reports that are completely irrelevant to the issue of anxiety disorders, which is specifically what I was talking about.

          Come back when you can apply some thought, and not copy-paste a list probably made several years ago.

          • Irrelevant?? Every report comes back saying cannabis is much safer than it has been made out to be. And the government just completely ignores them. Would you rather I just give you my opinion from my head, or scientific reports… A lot of them done by government agencies themselves trying to find whatever they can wrong with cannabis. You said it triggers severe anxiety disorders that can literally last a lifetime, and can be brought on by single exposure. I would like you to show me some of your sources to back this up, so I can examine them and decide whether or not they are credible. In my opinion the bonus of proof is on you.

            If all these experts thought cannabis was the cause of severe anxiety disorders that last a lifetime, and can be brought on by single exposure, why would they claim things like below?

          • “We did not view marijuana as a significant health problem–as it was not….Nobody dies from marijuana. marijuana smoking, in fact, if one wants to be honest, is a source of pleasure and amusement to countless millions of people in America, and it continues to be that way”

            Peter Bourne (President Carter’s Drug Czar)

            Do you think they would claim marijuana is not a significant health problem if they agreed with you that lifetime anxiety disorders can be brought on by a single use?

            To me, lifetime anxiety disorders are a pretty significant health problem.

            “Cannabis is remarkably safe. Although not harmless, it is surely less toxic than most of the conventional medicines it could replace if it were legally available. Despite its use by millions of people over thousands of years, cannabis has never caused an overdose death.”

            ~Testimony of Professor Lester Grinspoon, M.D., Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, before the Crime Subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C., October 1, 1997

            Again, why would he be claiming cannabis use is remarkably safe if he believed cannabis use could trigger lifelong anxiety disorders from a single use? To me, this quote is completely relevant.

            Yes, some of these studies are old…. they have been lying and overstating the negative effects of cannabis since prohibition began. They blatantly ignore the advice of the scientists who do the reports. Evidence of this is all over the place.

          • I googled cannabis causing anxiety disorders, and lots of stuff came up. Not sure about the single use thing though.

            However, I consider these studies to be extremely biased towards implying cannabis use causes anxiety disorders. e.g. sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies who have a vested interest in keeping marijuana illegal.

            On the other hand, of the studies which I presented, a lot of them are commissioned by the government to try to find as many negative effects as possible…. and look what they turn up. How can they be biased if they are done by the government’s scientists trying to find as many things wrong with cannabis as possible?

            e.g. “Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact… These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff. And the disrespect for the possession laws fosters a disrespect for laws and the system in general… On top of this is the distinct impression among the youth that some police may use the marihuana laws to arrest people they don’t like for other reasons, whether it be their politics, their hair style or their ethnic background.” “Federal and state laws (should) be changed to no longer make it a crime to possess marijuana for private use.” ; “State laws should make the public use of marijuana a criminal offense punishable by a $100 fine. Under federal law, marijuana smoked in public would merely be subject to seizure.”
            ~President Richard M. Nixon’s National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse “Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding” March 1972

            Therefore, I feel these studies are very relevant, even if they don’t specifically mention anxiety disorders, they are saying cannabis is safe.

            I’ve seen a lot of Dr. Grinspoons work, and if he says it’s safe, and the others do too, I muscled take that with a lot more value than some study backed by pharmaceutical giants to crush their competition, and line their pockets.

          • Engage your brain for half a second and think. Someone with a severe anxiety disorder, are they likely to be out at university where it is most common that you see advertisements for these kind of medical studies? Is it at all likely that someone who already suffers an anxiety disorder is likely to admit to any one in any sort of official capacity that they’ve engaged in the use of an illegal drug?

            Hell, any study done before 2002 or so is going to be largely irrelevant because their very condition prevents them from participating in society. Only with the advent of the internet are we starting to hear from these people, and are they starting to be able to even find each other so that they can compare notes.

            Having a partner with this condition, who can trace the advent of the condition to the first exposure to marijuana, has led us to do some digging through various anxiety forums, and yes, if you do so, you can find repeated references to this.. how it really got bad after marijuana exposure.

            Is there a reliable scientific study on it? No. Because getting enough people who have the condition together to actually do a study is damned difficult in the first place. Couple that with it being illegal and that makes getting results on it even more difficult.

            Which is why I that I don’t think it should be illegal, but it should definitely be restricted to medically supervised use, at least until we have better information. Yes, I know that the majority of people who use it have no problems — but for that small minority of people who do have problems, they are massive, they are life-destroying, and we *need* to know about them before we simply open the stuff up for widespread use.

          • So you are saying those few people like your partner’s problems are more important than these issues.

            I’d like you to comment on why you are in favour of supporting each one. Strictly enforced medical marijuana is nowhere near legalization, it is still cannabis prohibition just like we have now.

            9. Prohibition diverts billions from the needy. More than 50 government agencies feed at the drug war trough. Food stamps and other social programs are being slashed while billions are
            spent trying to stop adults from using marijuana.

            Please comment on why you think those small percentage of users experiencing anxiety disorders is more important than this.

          • Please rate the following in order from most dangerous to least dangerous.

            Just reminding you, Tobacco, 400,000 direct deaths per year, alcohol, 85,000 direct deaths per year…. marijuana, 0 DIRECT DEATHS!! EVER!!

            6. Marijuana users are not debased human beings. Cultures throughout history – and pre-history! – have altered their minds with a variety of drugs. Billions around the world derive positive benefits from mind-altering drugs (especially from alcohol, nicotine, caffeine and marijuana).
            Demonizing and criminalizing some drugs, while approving others without rational criteria, is clearly arbitrary and deceitful. Why are marijuana users criminals while alcohol and tobacco users are not? Why are marijuana dealers demonized, but alcohol and tobacco dealers are not?

            Please answer if you think tobacco and alcohol should still be legal if marijuana is illegal. If yes, why?

          • “Marijuana is a harmless and pleasant plant that, like a couple of cocktails, makes you feel relaxed and, unlike them, quiet. Why is the stuff still illegal? I assume it’s the power of the alcohol lobby being behind most things. Alcohol has damaged and killed friends of mine, but I’ve never known anyone harmed by the weed, whose relaxing pleasure I have enjoyed for 40 years.”

            David Hockney

          • Finally, again, please comment on why you feel those select few people who you claim suffer anxiety disorders from marijuana is more important than this.

            2. Thousands of prohibition murders occur each year. Mexico is the world’s largest exporter of marijuana (most goes to the United States). There were at least 24,000 prohibition-related murders in Mexico since 2006. Thousands more died here, also a direct result of marijuana prohibition.

            and

            3. Billions in potential taxes go to drug cartels. Our cash-strapped states are being cheated out of billions that could be obtained by taxing and regulating marijuana like alcohol.

            Why does your one small argument trump all of these? Because you are effectively arguing for prohibition.

          • “In any civilized society, it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
            ~Martin Luther King Jr.

            “The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.”

            – Albert Einstein

            “Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.”

            – William F. Buckley Jr. quote on Marijuana

          • Yeah, it sucks we can’t do everything at once.

            So, given the issue of people not having enough food temporarily, or having a debilitating, possibly permanent condition that prevents them from undertaking most employment and thus not having enough food *for the whole of their freaking lives*, which one is more important?

            Given that, even if we stopped all 50 agencies, there’s absolutely nothing saying that even a penny of that money would go toward social programs rather than tax cuts?

            Please comment on why you think allowing a product which can cause permanent, debilitating disorders is even remotely acceptable

          • I covered that in my last post. Read it!
            The thousands of prohibition based murders, denied medical research, criminal records, jail time, wasted tax dollars, loss of millions in tax revenue, supporting of drug cartels, increased teen drug use, suppression of hemp…… Is SO MUCH MORE DAMAGING!! to society than a small percentage of “alleged” mental disorders.

            You lack the ability to see the big picture because you can only focus in on your small personal world where you happen to have someone close to you whose life you feel pot ruined.

            The alleged harms of cannabis are so tiny compared to the mountain of murders, criminal records, jail time, destroyed families and lives, suppressed medical research, racism, the list goes on and on… on the prohibition side of the fence.

            So that is why I feel it is OK to allow the use of a product that allegedly may cause permanent debilitating disorders (SEE CIGARETTES and ALCHOL!!!!!). Because the alternative caused by prohibition is a billion times worse!

            I don’t know how I could lay it out any clearer for you. You pretty much just threw me a hanging breaking ball over the centre of the plate, and it was knocked out of the park.

            Tobacco 400,000 direct deaths
            Alcohol 85,000 direct deaths
            Cannabis 0 direct deaths EVER!!

            So I ask you the question. Why do you think substances like alcohol and tobacco should be legal and marijunana which is substantially safer is illegal. Don’t you think these two are hurting society a touch more than marijuana? How does that make sense?

            “Yes, I know that the majority of marijuana users have no problems”

            -YOU

            You don’t punish the masses for the alleged problems of a select few. That’s just ridiculous!

  7. I hope marijuana is NEVER EVER legalized. As someone who has gone through the drug thing myself and seen friends destroyed by drugs I know that it is of no benefit to society. We have enough social problems with legalized booze. Are we that gullible that we think the criminal element will go away if it is legalized ? And do we think legalization will stop at grass ? What drug is next? This Macleans article on legalization is so full of holes that it was laughable.

    • So because you cant handle your drugs nobody should be allowed to have them? does that logic apply to alcohol as well? Just because you lack willpower and self control does not mean that everyone else does. And yes legalization and a reduction in price will make illegal marijuana worthless since you can get a better quality cheaper from say the govt authorized dealer (lcbo, beer store style perhaps.) You have not done much research on your anti stance since the nations who have legalized it and decriminalized it have less drug problems than those who still enforce an unconstitutional law…Frankly you have no right to decide what I put in my body or what I do with my body nor does this neo conservative Nazi style political party full of criminals that’s in charge either.

    • I guess we should criminalize fatty food too, because some people can’t control themselves, gorge themselves on it and become morbidly obese.

    • “You wanna know who has a problem with pot? LOSERS! If pot f$cked up your life, it’s just because pot got there first. It could have been cheeseburgers, scratch tickets, the horse races…. a plant, that makes you look at the world in a more humble way, makes food taste better, it makes you silly, it makes you want to love your friends more, it makes sex better… If that f$cks up your life, you are an IDIOT! It’s that simple.

      -Joe Rogan

      “Compared to alcohol, which makes people take more risks on the road, marijuana made drivers slow down and drive more carefully…. Cannabis is good for driving skills, as people tend to overcompensate for a perceived impairment.”
      ~Professor Olaf Drummer, a forensic scientist the Royal College of Surgeons in Melbourne in 1996

      “Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor’s Committee (1944 – LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects” “the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable”

      ~1968 UK ROYAL COMMISSION, THE WOOTTON REPORT

      • “If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion by education”
        ~Thomas Jefferson

        “When even one American who has done nothing wrong is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril.”
        ~Harry S. Truman – Former U.S. President

        “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
        ~Biblical – Genesis 1:29

        “Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact… These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff. And the disrespect for the possession laws fosters a disrespect for laws and the system in general… On top of this is the distinct impression among the youth that some police may use the marihuana laws to arrest people they don’t like for other reasons, whether it be their politics, their hair style or their ethnic background.” “Federal and state laws (should) be changed to no longer make it a crime to possess marijuana for private use.” ; “State laws should make the public use of marijuana a criminal offense punishable by a $100 fine. Under federal law, marijuana smoked in public would merely be subject to seizure.”
        ~President Richard M. Nixon’s National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse “Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding” March 1972

        “Congress should definitely consider decriminalizing possession of marijuana… We should concentrate on prosecuting the rapists and burglars who are a menace to society.”
        ~Dan Quayle U.S. Representative and Vice president under President Bush March 1977

        “The greatest service that can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture.”
        ~Thomas Jefferson

        “In any civilized society, it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
        ~Martin Luther King Jr.

        • “Marijuana is not a narcotic. It is technically an Oriental herbal medicine which Koreans have used for 5,000 years.”

          Kim Bu-Seon

          “In terms of legalization of drugs, I think that the war on drugs has been a failure and I think we need to rethink to decriminalize our marijuana laws, but I’m not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana. What I do believe is we need to rethink how we were operating in the drug wars and I think that currently we’re not doing a good job”

          Barack Obama

          “Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.”

          Abraham Lincoln

          • “The has failed – but it’s worse than that. It is actively harming our society. Violent crime is thriving in the shadows to which the drug trade has been consigned. People who genuinely need help can’t get it. Neither can people who need medical marijuana to treat terrible diseases. We are spending billions, filling up our prisons with non-violent offenders and sacrificing our liberties.”

            Sting

            “For my part, I find the attempt to ban any naturally growing plant to be an attack on reality, and a denial of some of the most basic freedoms. I guess that’s why today’s GOP is so in favor of it.”

            Andrew Sullivan

            “Marijuana is a harmless and pleasant plant that, like a couple of cocktails, makes you feel relaxed and, unlike them, quiet. Why is the stuff still illegal? I assume it’s the power of the alcohol lobby being behind most things. Alcohol has damaged and killed friends of mine, but I’ve never known anyone harmed by the weed, whose relaxing pleasure I have enjoyed for 40 years.”

            David Hockney

          • “Bring the brothers home, and sisters home now. Legalize marijuana and take all that money and invest it in teachers and in education. You will see a transformation in America.”

            Carlos Santana

            “Marijuana? It’s harmless really, unless you fashion it into a club and beat somebody over the head with it”

            Bill Bailey

            …after being arrested on the 19th of July 2000 for driving under the influence of marijuana – “I use it to control the nausea which comes with the headaches”

            Kareem Abdul Jabbar

          • “Is marijuana addictive? Yes, in the sense that most of the really pleasant things in life are worth endlessly repeating.

            Richard Neville

            “We did not view marijuana as a significant health problem–as it was not….Nobody dies from marijuana. marijuana smoking, in fact, if one wants to be honest, is a source of pleasure and amusement to countless millions of people in America, and it continues to be that way”

            Peter Bourne (President Carter’s Drug Czar)

            “Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself, and where they are they should be changed”

            Jimmy Carter (former US president)

          • “Make the most of the Indian Hemp Seed and sow it everywhere”

            George Washington -1st US President

            Back in those days, hemp meant all forms of cannabis.

            “I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?”

            Willie Nelson

          • “Marijuana? It’s harmless really, unless you fashion it into a club and beat somebody over the head with it”

            Bill Bailey

            “Marijuana, or weed, or grass, or reefer, or whatever you want to call it, gets people high, and they love it for that. They love it because it makes them feel good, like no other substance known to man, and in doing this it has no adverse effects whatsoever: it causes no hangovers, it doesn’t deaden (but rather it heightens) the senses, it is not toxic or poisonous, it is not addictive in any physical term, it’s easily ingested, easily and quickly assimilated into the bloodstream, easily and quickly taken in by the brain and transformed into a euphoric force which quickly informs the whole body of the smoker. In fact, the only thing wrong with it is that its effects don’t last long enough – every few hours you have to recharge yourself with a few more tokes on that good weed, in order to maintain that nice high.”

            John Sinclair

    • These people seem to disagree with you.

    • “as someone……drug thing myself”, you seem ignorant, because marijuana DO NOT DESTROY LIVES, other drugs will, either they are legal or not,

    • as someone who has been a passenger in a few cars that had accidents and have seen friends lives destroyed by the blight vehicles cause society, I hope licences start getting pulled before the slightest infraction are incurred. Besides we have enough problems with public transport and as a form of transportation, isn’t public transport so accessible there is no need for personal vehicles? Are we gullible enough or so arrogant to think that if we don’t act accidents won’t occur, and do we think is stops at accidents? What’s next huffing gas, driving volatile vehicles into fertilizer plants?

      The Wes post on legalization (of cannabis) is so full of holes, I couldn’t resist

  8. Marijuana as alcohol and gambling is a blight on society. Far too many people have a negative reaction to the drug that leads to physical and mental problems (psychotic episodes). These drugs and activities in many cases lead to a degree of dependency, habit forming and some form of psychological addiction.

    Saying that; pot use will continue so I can see a very highly regulated allowance of its use where taxes are applied to take as much criminal element out of its’ sale and distribution and the proceeds should be plowed into ongoing campaigns to not use cannabis much like tobacco (which have proved fairly successful without any arrests or incarcerations).

    Any drugs whether alcohol or tobacco etc. are bad for a huge percentage of individuals and society as a whole. We’ll never have a perfect world but ongoing and sustainable public health policies drawing negativity to the damage caused by marijuana in the long run would be better for us all.

    • Stop watching TV so much and start THINKING for yourself again.

      The government “fixed tobacco smuggling” in Canada in the 90’s, but only because of their GREED. How did they fix it? BY ACCIDENT! And then they set about “fixing what they fixed” all over again.

      They found that 85% of all Canadian tobacco products were sold to the states, and then smuggled back, to avoid the oppressive taxation. They dropped tobacco taxes down to “a more reasonable 2-300%”, and tobacco smuggling was over, quite literally, overnight.

      Of course, since that time, they’ve repeatedly raised tobacco taxes even higher than they were before they “accidentally fixed the problem”, and now, since the potential profits are so much higher than they were in the 90’s, TODAY’S smuggled tobacco isn’t Canadian grown, but grown in India or China…”well known for their quality control procedures”.

      Anyone who suggests that “oppressive taxation is the answer” to ANYTHING hasn’t got a clue, or a memory.

    • See these and above quotes and studies

      “The commission has come to the conclusion that the moderate use of hemp drugs is practically attended by no evil results at all. … …moderate use of hemp… appears to cause no appreciable physical injury of any kind,… no injurious effects on the mind… [and] no moral injury whatever.”

      ~Indian Hemp Drugs Commission, 1894

      “Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor’s Committee (1944 – LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects” “the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable”

      ~1968 UK ROYAL COMMISSION, THE WOOTTON REPORT

      “Cannabis is remarkably safe. Although not harmless, it is surely less toxic than most of the conventional medicines it could replace if it were legally available. Despite its use by millions of people over thousands of years, cannabis has never caused an overdose death.”

      ~Testimony of Professor Lester Grinspoon, M.D., Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, before the Crime Subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C., October 1, 1997

      “marijuana is beneficial to many patients”

      ~Jocelyn Elders, USA Surgeon General

      “Users in our matched-pair sample smoked marijuana in addition to as many tobacco cigarettes as did their matched non-using pairs. Yet their small airways were, if anything, a bit healthier than their matches. We must tentatively conclude either that marijuana has no harmful effect on such passages or that it actually offers some slight protection against harmful effects of tobacco smoke”
      ~Cannabis in Costa Rica: A Study of Chronic marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues

      “The use of marijuana does not lead to morphine or heroin or cocaine addiction and no effort is made to create a market for these narcotics by stimulating the practice of marijuana smoking”
      ~The LaGardia sub-committee of New York 1944

      “Most marijuana users do not go on to use other drugs.”
      ~”marijuana: Facts for Teens.” U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Washington, D.C. 1995, p.10..”

      • “Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact… These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff. And the disrespect for the possession laws fosters a disrespect for laws and the system in general… On top of this is the distinct impression among the youth that some police may use the marihuana laws to arrest people they don’t like for other reasons, whether it be their politics, their hair style or their ethnic background.” “Federal and state laws (should) be changed to no longer make it a crime to possess marijuana for private use.” ; “State laws should make the public use of marijuana a criminal offense punishable by a $100 fine. Under federal law, marijuana smoked in public would merely be subject to seizure.”
        ~President Richard M. Nixon’s National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse “Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding” March 1972

        “Congress should definitely consider decriminalizing possession of marijuana… We should concentrate on prosecuting the rapists and burglars who are a menace to society.”
        ~Dan Quayle U.S. Representative and Vice president under President Bush March 1977

        “The greatest service that can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture.”
        ~Thomas Jefferson

        “In any civilized society, it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
        ~Martin Luther King Jr.

        • This is how cannabis prohibition began. It is based on lies, racism and corporate greed.

          “…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”
          ~Harry J. Anslinger

          “marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”
          ~Harry J. Anslinger

          “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
          ~Harry J. Anslinger

          “You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”
          ~Harry J. Anslinger

          “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”

          ~Harry Anslinger, 1937 testimony to Congress in support of the marijuana Tax Act.

          • Do you support that? You have had the wool pulled over your eyes. Please do some research .

            Watch “The Union” http://youtu.be/wfxaJQVxSA4

            And “When We Grow, This is What We Can Do”

            http://youtu.be/PSKJrgGqx_E

            I hope this convinces you to do some investigating.

          • What a sociopath? this H . anslinger guy

    • I disagree with your opinion that marijuana is a blight any more than say, obesity, reality TV, or overuse of the internet. But I’m glad you support sensible, education-heavy policies.

  9. Cannabis/hemp has been unfairly vilified for many years. Look into the history of why it was banned and you’ll also come across the fact that paper producers didn’t want fast-growing hemp pushing out pulp and paper mills. We should only be putting people that hurt us in jail. There really isn’t a compelling argument to keep it illegal. All the other vices out there–booze, prescription and illegal drugs, are crippling society. There will always be individuals abusing whatever substance. Because marajuana may be detrimental to mentally ill is picking and choosing as there;s likely all sorts of things that are bad for them. Everyone out there is smoking MJ. No one is running wild in the streets or having psychotic events. The criminal justice system vilifies and the medical community loves it. What a conundrum.

  10. This is a biased poll with the wording used. I am against legalizing pot but I don’t think Its necessarily “criminal”. I am in favour of fines to dissuade use. Pot use has negative results, period. The use of marijuana should be discouraged.

    • So presumably you’re also in favour of making alcohol illegal, right? Because otherwise, you’d be a hypocrite.

    • See these an my quotes above please.

      “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
      ~Biblical – Genesis 1:29

      “Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact… These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff. And the disrespect for the possession laws fosters a disrespect for laws and the system in general… On top of this is the distinct impression among the youth that some police may use the marihuana laws to arrest people they don’t like for other reasons, whether it be their politics, their hair style or their ethnic background.” “Federal and state laws (should) be changed to no longer make it a crime to possess marijuana for private use.” ; “State laws should make the public use of marijuana a criminal offense punishable by a $100 fine. Under federal law, marijuana smoked in public would merely be subject to seizure.”
      ~President Richard M. Nixon’s National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse “Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding” March 1972

      “Congress should definitely consider decriminalizing possession of marijuana… We should concentrate on prosecuting the rapists and burglars who are a menace to society.”
      ~Dan Quayle U.S. Representative and Vice president under President Bush March 1977

      “The greatest service that can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture.”
      ~Thomas Jefferson

      “In any civilized society, it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
      ~Martin Luther King Jr.

      • “The estimated amount of marijuana that you would have to smoke to kill yourself is somewhere around 1,500 pounds. That’s all just an estimate really, because researchers have never been able to successfully give an animal enough pot to kill them.

        Joe Rogan

        “We need to enlighten people about the multiple uses the plant has beyond its recreational, spiritual and medicinal uses. This plant in both its forms, hemp and marijuana, is a gift from nature to us. It has medicinal value, environmental value, nutritional value, as well as energy value. The seeds of the plant could cheaply provide nutrition for malnourished children all over the world. We should free the plant in all aspects of its uses.”

        Ziggy Marley

        • Marijuana is the finest anti-nausea medication known to science, and our leaders have lied about this consistently. Arresting people for medical marijuana is the most hideous example of government interference in the private lives of individuals. It’s an outrage within an outrage within an outrage”

          Peter McWilliams

          “The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world”

          Carl Sagan

          “We did not view marijuana as a significant health problem–as it was not….Nobody dies from marijuana. marijuana smoking, in fact, if one wants to be honest, is a source of pleasure and amusement to countless millions of people in America, and it continues to be that way”

          Peter Bourne (President Carter’s Drug Czar)

          “Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself, and where they are they should be changed”

          Jimmy Carter (former US president)

          “Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor’s Committee (1944 – LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects”
          “the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable”

          The Wootton Report ( 1968 UK Royal Commission )

          George Washington weed quotes

          “Make the most of the Indian Hemp Seed and sow it everywhere”

          George Washington -1st US President

          Back in those days, hemp meant all forms of cannabis.

          • I’m pretty sure some of the above people are more well versed on this topic than you are. Please give us your opinion on some of these specific quotes.

  11. If the same legislative prerogative that is used to criminalize cannabis were used to criminalize whatever meets or exceeds the threshold that cannabis is subjected to, people would change their minds in a instance about criminalizing cannabis. But that’s not going to happen because too many fine upstanding citizens as well as too many economic considerations and interests would be jeopardized. By the same token, because those same fine upstanding citizens, as well as the same economic considerations and interests, would also be jeopardized if cannabis were legalized, the same legislative prerogative is used to justify treatment that is both detrimental to and exclusive to those who use cannabis, medicinally or otherwise.

  12. Generally cannabis is harmless, but should be used responsibly. Alcohol makes you reckless, cannabis makes you cautious, but as it can make you confused it is inadvisable to drive while high. That said, Cannabis is completely different from alcohol, and in my opinion, much safer. You just don’t see cannabis users crashing their cars and beating their wives etc. like you do with alcohol. And the next drug to be legalised, as someone mentioned? MDMA. It’s only the contaminated MDMA (ecstasy) that causes problems, and the contamination is due to government restrictions on the proper ingredients.

  13. I’ve always been for legalization, but your question was posed in an embarrassingly biased way

  14. It’s time we REPEALED prohibition. For everyone. Everywhere.

    “More of the same” isn’t working. It never did. It never will.

    IT CAN’T…because it was never DESIGNED to.

    Not “decriminalization.” Not “legalization.” Not “tax and regulate.” Not “regulate like _______.” Not “government controlled.” Not “corporate monopoly controlled.” Not even “for approved and specifically licensed medicinal use only.”

    ALL of those are just different forms of “specifically delineated” PROHIBITION.

    If you want it over, you have to REPEAL it.

    Unless you really WANT “more of the same?”

    http://overgrow.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-fallacy-of-the-legalize-and-tax-cannabis-initiatives

    • Repeal, yes but in order to get to that point it is imperative to demonstrate a rationale so resilient that it can neither be disputed or challenged.

      Asking why cannabis is illegal in the first place, is a good place to start because it compels those interested to seek out not only the origins of how cannabis was criminalized but also why (it was criminalized). Ultimately that search will lead right back to the Hansard Debates.

      Interestingly enough, Hansard shows that there was no mention of cannabis whatsoever. All that was said was “there is a new drug in the schedule”. and that the purpose of the amendment was to consolidate previous legislation for the suppression of the traffic in narcotic drugs. [How “there is a new drug in the schedule” became “cannabis” merits a topic of discussion in and of itself]

      To make a long story short, the consolidation mentioned (by Health Minister Béland) was the transition of cannabis indica/Indian hemp from the Propriety or Patent Medicines Act (1909) to the Opium and Narcotic Drug Act of ’23, as an Amendment.

      Another interesting fact that arises is that for all the trouble Health Minister Béland went through to avoid mentioning “cannabis indica/Indian hemp”, this particular aspect of the Amendment was not used until 1932 when the first arrests occurred. Why? If it was so imperative to move cannabis from one schedule to another with such a maximum of “expediency” that even naming it would be problematic to that end, why was it not used immediately, why wait 9 years?

      Could it be that this bit of fan-dangling was intended to distance the newly criminalized cannabis from any association with medical value whatsoever?

        • If only it were that simple. But that’s not the case, if it were, the
          recommendations of the 2002 Senate Report would likely have
          been enacted in 2003 or shortly after, and this would be a moot
          consideration in its entirety.

          Considering this is something that the government intentionally did for the sole purpose of the suppression of the traffic in narcotic drugs (which is seen as a legitimate federal objective), it would seem only appropriate (as part of any federal objective) that the legislative means to do that be demonstrated to be defendable (as legislative debate) as well. Because it can be demonstrated that this wasn’t the case in 1923, it’s fairly obvious that there is no way that it could be legitimately defended today.

          That is the point. Cannabis prohibition can’t be defended any more today than it could in 1923. That’s why Béland simply said, “there is a new drug in the schedule” instead of cannabis and possibly why both the LeDain Commission and the 2002 Senate Report make a distinct point of referencing both as being “of illegal drugs”.

          In 1909 cannabis was regulated as a Propriety or Patent Medicine, then in 1923 a reference to the addition rendered cannabis criminalized as an amendment to the Opium and Narcotic Drug Act. It was that ad hoc inclusion that resulted in not only extreme punishment aimed at targeted groups, but also denied any medical application or defence claiming medical necessity right up to Parker Jr.

          When all is said and done, especially where government is concerned, it’s one thing to set some record straight, it is quite another to get meaningful resolution, in a timely way.

          • Given what we have seen from Emperor Harperius, we will NEVER see a meaningful, timely, or HONEST resolution to the problem.

            He just wants his political points…he doesn’t care if he has to kill people, destroy lives, or torture tens of thousands…he is right…”the true facts of the matter be damned.”

          • of course not. but it does go to discrediting the notion (of cannabis prohibition) in its entirety. the Liberals literally wiped themselves with parliamentary decorum and protocol on this one and today upward of 80,000 arrests are being made today because of it. There is also the fact that cannabis was a regulated commodity and what Béland did in ’23 wilfully obscured the medicinal aspects until Parker.

            Maybe what is going on today would be more apparent to the general public if the government had cannabis users more effectively branded. Maybe establishing something like leper colonies would also have made it more obvious. But then again, why would government go through all that trouble when all the Court had to do is move the goal-posts like they did in Malmo-Levine . . .

          • I honestly think that people aren’t going to wake up until we see mass arrests on a daily basis. Sad, but people simply don’t care about anything until it lands on their own doorstep. They don’t even care that they have to pay for all the waste…as long as their money is being wasted attacking “other people…but not me.”

            They keep paying the bills, letting things get worse, and complaining that they have to keep paying, but then they send in the money anyway…it’s a self-perpetuating system, funded by the wilfully ignorant.

  15. I vote yes but with all the restrictions of smoking tobacco. Not so public, like in public places where it may negatively affect those with breathing issues like asthma. I wouldn’t want it around children and being responsible, like most everything we do is a must.

    • most smokers are courteous about their habit, actually; unless you get too much in their face, you know, like everything else, there is a place for everything. LIVE AND LET LIVE!

  16. The question is missing some options. The CMA and Health Canada are for decriminalizing marijuana which is different from legalizing. This means that it is treated like a parking ticket if you are caught possessing marijuana.

    But the product would still be illegal and there would be no distribution channel for selling and taxing marijuana.

    The reason why the CMA and Health Canada think this way is that marijuana contributes to certain types of cancer, it slows down reaction time, it causes cognitive problems particularly when consumption starts in teen age years and causes some psychosis.

    See more at http://www.yourhealthandmine.net/cannabis01.doc

    • The problem is, the decriminalization option does NOTHING to reduce or eliminate the role of organized crime. Full legalization, properly implemented, does.
      I’d rather have decriminalization than the current awful situation, but full legalization is the way to go, if you want rational policy and if you want all citizens to enjoy the tax benefits, rather than having organized criminals getting filthy rich.

      • Hippocrates: OK, then are you proposing that we legalize crack, cocaine, extacy and heroin as well?

        On the tax angle. Are you sure that the taxes we collect on cigarettes are sufficient to cover the costs of caring for lung cancer and other diseases caused by smoking? We need to do the same math on marijuana.

        Can you imagine the embarassment of legalizing marijuana only the find that testicular cancer, car accidents, depression, psychosis and IQ deterioration were going up such that we had to start putting pictures on the packages like we do for cigarettes?

        I think the CMA and Health Canada are doing the right thing by forgoing the taxes for the long term health of our citizens.

        Yes, it would be good to eliminate work for drug dealers but legalizing all the stuff they sell is not the right answer in my opinion.

        • Here’s 1000+ pages for you on how cannabis is beneficial as a medicine. Two words.. Endocanabinoid System. Research it.

          http://www.clear-uk.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Grannys-List-January-2013.pdf

          AIDS, Cancer, Parkinson’s, MS, ADHD, Autism… The list goes on and on. Preventative Medicine, Pain Relief, Anti-Nausea, Anti-Spasm, Anti-Tumour, Anti-Inflamatory, Neuro-Protective…

          And prohibition allows the government to strictly limit studies. People’s lives could be saved. Sick and dying patients can have a better quality of life. Heaven forbid someone dying of AIDS or cancer should get a little high, and experience happiness, and stress relief. How dare they! Who is the real criminal?

          • Captain Jim: I agree there are many many benefits of marijuana and we do take advantage of these already by permitting the medical use of marijuana.

            My issues are with the recreational use of marijuana without doctor’s supervision.

          • You could make the exact same arguments about alcohol — that it shouldn’t be used recreationally without doctor’s supervision. Look at all the people who abuse it. Look at all the damage it causes. Look at all the people who use it and get violent. Look at all the people who use it, get in cars and kill and injure, etc. etc. By your logic, alcohol should not be legal either and at best should be decriminalized and only available with a prescription or doctor’s order.

          • Hippocrates:

            Yes, I could make the same arguments about alcohol and cigarettes. But it would be very difficult to put those 2 genies back in the bottle.

            The fact that we have made mistakes by legalizing other damaging chemicals and products does not mean we have to keep making the same mistakes again.

            We have MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving). Do we want other advocacy groups like MAM (Mothers against Marijuana) once their children start having marijuana induced accidents.

          • “too difficult to to put those 2 genies back in the bottle.” that’s nuts, those 2 industries, with public support, would launch a response so loud that Parliamentarians would likely wet themselves in unison. there are no legitimate reasons for criminalizing cannabis, period, and there is even less legitimacy where the changes to the medicinal cannabis program are concerned.

            Education begins at home, not with MADD, D.A.R.E., or any other group, so if parents aren’t diligent enough, or aren’t community-minded enough, or too otherwise occupied to put in the effort, that is a problem with the parenting, not a problem with the plant.

          • I have included this link in a previous post. http://yourhealthandmine.net/cannabis01.doc

            I think it is worth reading.

            Overall the CMA and Health Canada support decriminalizing marijuana but not legalizing. i.e. it should be treated like a speeding ticket. I support this stance.

            If you disagree with any of the references in the paper or if you have other references, please let me know.

          • Wayne:

            Have you read this report http://yourhealthandmine.net/cannabis01.doc

            There are references to cancer, IQ, psychosis, slower reaction times and a number of other things.

            Have you taken these references into account in your thinking?

          • not interested in cherry-picked ga-ga, thank you, Mike.

            hell, I could probably direct you to a few web-sites that would supply you with more substantial and cognisant arguments. The only problem is they are all just as bogus.

            You made a reference (in a previous post) about children who “start having marijuana induced accidents” and I’d like to make a few observations, in-the-form-of-question, about that.

            1. how is it that children are able to access marijuana easier than booze? It wouldn’t have anything to do with how it is legislated, by any chance, eh.

            2. why is it when reasonable debate/discussion alludes the prohibitionist mindset, the response is to somehow bring children into the equation? why is that?

            3. how is it that kids are, on one hand, important enough to mention as a concern in a discussion, but, on the other, not important enough to create legislative groundwork appropriate to ensure youth are better safeguarded?

            4. are you even aware of the fact that when actions contradict reason and children are brought into the equation, (aside from being a lousy example as a role model) the only thing that is being demonstrated is akin to someone comfortable with using children as shields each and every time a drive-by-shooting occurs?

            just saying . . .

          • Wayne:

            The paper I sent you had both “Pros” and “Cons” about the legalization of marijuana. I think it is unfair to say it was cherry picked. I put this together in a forum group where at least 20 people contributed references and more than half were for legalization. I put in every reference they gave me.

            Now about the “children”. The medical evidence is that if people start using marijuana in their teenage years, there is greater effect particularly on their brains i.e. IQ loss, cognitive problems and psychosis. In addition young users are more likely to become addicted (17%) versus older users (9%) .

            If you feel the paper is unbalanced or you believe the increased negative effects on young people are not relevant, please give me your references and I will be glad to include them in the paper. I am providing the link again for your convenience http://www.yourhealthandmine.net/cannabis01.doc

          • I thought as much, Mike. I know what the medical evidence shows concerning youth; that’s precisely why I framed the questions as I did – perhaps that salient consideration escaped you, though. Apparently you think repeating the concerns provides your argument more weight. In fact, it does not; all it does do is make your avoidance of the questions that much more apparent.

            So which is it, Mike? What is more important to you, actually safeguarding youth or perpetuating prohibition? Do you even understand the extent of the ramifications the current scheme gives life to?

            The toll on youth, for decades now, has clearly indicated one can’t do both with any modicum of true success – so why pretend it works (even in part) – yet here you are with not only the same old agenda but with the same old modus operandi, as well.

            When you’re ready to have a serious discussion, get back to me.

          • I support safeguarding our youth and support prohibition as a means of safeguarding.

            I should remind you that legalization does not eliminate sales through dealers. 31% of cigarettes are sold through contraband dealers in Canada, see http://www.smoke-free.ca/pdf_1/2010/Estimating%20the%20volume%20of%20Contraband%20Sales%20of%20Tobacco%20in%20Canada-2009.pdf

            You can bet your shoes that marijuana will be taxed as heavily and likely more heavily than cigarettes so there will be a whole new market for the dealers. And the beautiful thing, if you are with the First Nations, you can put up a sign on the highway “Tax Free Smokes” and the RCMP won’t touch you.

          • and therein is the dysfunction; you can’t do both and maintain either any sense of integrity or any pretense of democracy.

            Removing cannabis from the CDSA entirely would be the ideal solution, however, in that the federal government does has a state interest, regulation (of this, as a health matter), on the other hand does.

            The fact is the entire process of substance control is based on an antiquated system that the RCMP had a hand in creating so I don’t anticipate the RCMP is going to agree to anything that is seen to encroach on that.

          • Wayne: I am not sure if you are familiar with the Akwesasne Indian Reserve which includes land on both sides of the US-Canada border and an island in the middle of the St. Lawrence River.

            They sell truck loads of contraband cigarettes to both Americans and Canadians on that island and no one touches the customers coming and going.

            The reason is the people of Quebec really enjoy smoking and they are depending on these cheap cigarettes. So the RCMP stays clear to protect the government in power.

            And it helps the revenue for the First Nations who now won’t be bugging the government for better housing, sewers etc.

            So when you are thinking of prohibition. Its probably better to visualize a revenue shift from pot dealers in the school yard to the First Nations who will supply the pot in neat boxes with premade cigarettes. There is the other angle that people will start growing their own, so that’s another area of tax revenue loss for the government.

            I would feel a lot better about this if we said that any health problems from marijuana would be paid by the patient like we pay for dental or eye care, because legalizing will generate very little tax revenue while driving up health care and vehicle accident costs. I don’t know how we put a price on an 8 point loss of IQ, but that is a cost the individual will have to bear.

          • the harms association with prohibition far outweigh any harms associated with cannabis. do you know how many people are hospitalized every year for pharmaceutical related occurrences or the health costs associated with alcohol and you have the audacity to talk about cannabis driving up health care costs. can you be any more absurd?

            Mike, you talk out of both sides of your face and neither one of them are capable of being straightforward and the worst part is you think condescending portrayals and half-baked indignations are serious commentary.

          • Wayne: Its too bad you can’t have a debate without descending into attacks on the messenger for challenging your thinking.

            You might begin with some numbers on the costs of prohibition and some numbers on the expected health care cost increases without prohibition and show how prohibition costs more and you could give some references on your sources.

            But instead we get big statements followed by aspersions and no references. I think your arguments would be far more convincing if you could proceed as above.

            I honestly am interested in the numbers and I promise I will include your references in my paper.

          • That is the height of disingenuousness, Mike. There has been no debate because of your stonewalling. Precluding discourse with rhetoric and calling it debate does not make it so.

            I’m talking about the negative effects of prohibition on youth and the community, the enabling of organized crime, violence, etc; you want to talk numbers and write papers. Since you’re so into numbers though, try calculating the costs, in its entirety, of 90 years of perpetuating the failed premise of prohibition,

            The bottom line, “prohibition defines corruption and hypocrisy”

          • Thank you much for your report. I don’t think we will make much progress on this topic by discussing it further. Good luck in promoting your ideas to others.

          • what discussion? All that has been demonstrated is the snide disingenuousness of prohibitionist thinking,

            (It’s) a place where lamenting harms is more important than meaningful action; where stats and numbers are more significant than the individuals those stats and numbers are about.

            It’s the Prohibition Zone.

            you don’t seriously think I’m going to wish you good luck, do you?

          • Your argument is essentially an “arbitrary grandfathering” argument — this substance happened to get in the door first, so we’re not going to punish or ostracize the people who use it. That argument is wrong on so many fronts. First of all, it’s a massively offensive stance to take from an equity and equality point of view. One group of substance users is not persecuted or ostracized by society merely because of the arbitrary fact that their substance was deemed legal and acceptable way back when, for no coherent policy reason whatsoever. How could any reasonable and fair human being support social policy being made and enforced in such an incoherent, arbitrary way?

            Meanwhile, again, your suggested approach does NOTHING to address the fact that organized crime would continue to largely run the marijuana industry and make virtually all the money off of it.

          • Hippocrates:
            I think we have been through this already.
            But do you also advocate for legalization of heroin, extacy, crack and cocaine?
            If not, why not?

          • I’ve got very libertarian leanings, so generally I’ve got Timothy Leary’s attitude towards drugs. I realize that’s very far from mainstream, but just don’t see why the state has any business telling me what I can or can’t consume, as long as I’m not harming anyone else.
            I’m in favour of Insite and harm reduction strategies. I would be happier if those other drugs you list were legalized or at least decriminalized.
            But having said that, I do think there is an important (and well-documented) line to be drawn between pot and those other drugs you list in terms of addictivness and self-destructive behaviour. Especially heroin, coke and crack. So on that basis, I think there’s much more justification in terms of social policy for fully legalizing pot than them. But PERSONALLY I’d be quite happy if they were all legal.

          • Hippocrates:
            OK, we now know where you stand.

          • Medical use of marijuana? The Feds can still bust people any time they want just like they did in this story of a 4 yr old in Montana whose life was saved by cannabis oil… only to have the Feds crack down on the dispensaries, cutting off his supply. He died recently at 4 when the brain tumour re-appeared, and he was unable to obtain the medicine! Sickening!

            The benefits of cannabis outweigh the negatives by so far it’s ridiculous. Educate yourself on the endocannabinoid system. It’s called preventative health care.

            http://www.prweb.com/releases/cashhyde/medicalmarijuana/prweb10146448.htm

            Dr. Robert Melamede PhD University of Colorado.

            http://youtu.be/jd0OClkHoSk

            If you don’t think Cannabis should be legal, you are a BLP (backwards looking person). In other words, you are canabinoid deficient. Do you know what that means?

          • Captain Jim: Your reference is from Montana. When I said that Medical Marijuana was legal, I meant Canada.

          • That professor did not make any reference for the scientific basis for his thinking. He has a theory about a high level of canabinoid receptors in our brains and therefore we should feed them with a high level of of cannabis.

            I am guessing that we have a high level of exctacy and crack receptors in our brains as well yet we don’t advocate more extacy and crack to feed them.

            Anyway Colorado has legalized recreational use of marijuana possibly from Dr. Melamede’s advice.

            I think we should watch the progress of people’s health and IQ levels in Colorado for a few years and see how it works out.

          • Dr. Melamede explaining the endocannabinoid system in our bodies.

            http://youtu.be/wnP9y3gPg-U

        • Crack, Heroin, Chrystal Meth… terrible… wouldn’t touch them with a 10 ft pole.

          Coke, Tobacco, wouldn’t touch those with a 10 ft pole either.

          Alcohol – in moderation

          Cannabis is by far the least harmful of all these substances.

          “I’ve done coke, heroin, ecstasy, LSD, everything, but the one that had the worst effect for me was pot. I felt silly and giggly and I hate feeling like that”

          Angelina Jolie

          I have a bit of a hard time justifying legal Chrystal Meth and crack… but with the black market criminals get rich, lots of people die, and dealers don’t check kids for ID like a LCBO store would.

          I admit though, scary….

        • pleases educate yourself before putting just abut anything on here

          • We have produced a white paper on this after some considerable effort at educating ourselves see http://yourhealthandmine.net/cannabis01.doc

            If there are references you disagree with please let me know. If you have other references please show them as well.

            Overall the Disqus forums work best when you discuss the ideas rather than cast aspersions against the person expressing the ideas when you don’t agree with him.

          • check out” How marijuana affects your health” you tube

          • Lysa:
            I did.

            There is no clip for “How marijuana effects your health” but I did find other clips for “What are the long term effects of weed” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lpK2v_kitA and “How marijuana ruined by life” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l2pqUTo_n0

            Neither was supportive about marijuana.

            I have a belief that you have been somewhat selective in your research to get the answers you want to hear.

          • I’ll look at yours if you will watch this documentary form me. It has one many awards, and was even chosen to be shown to members of Canadian parliament to help educate them on truths about marijuana.

            Check out this video on YouTube:

            http://youtu.be/7qbtYY4HFOw

            Some of the awards it has won.

            Best Editing at Rhode Island International Film Festival 2007
            Outstanding Documentary Feature at Winnipeg International Film Festival
            Nominated for Leo Award for Best Overall Sound in a Documentary Program or Series, and Best Sound Editing in a Documentary Program or Series

            Will you watch it for me?

            Then we can discuss your sources and mine.

          • Captain Jim:
            The video is over 1 hour long but I did watch about half of it and I agree with the general point of the video.

            First I fully agree with the industrial use of hemp in making rope, textiles, hempcrete etc.

            I also fully agree with the medical use of marijuana.

            The only thing I disagree with is the recreational use of marijuana because of the adverse health impacts which I mentioned earlier.

          • Thanks for your point of view on this stuff Mike. In my view, cannabis is a natural medicine that has been used for thousands of years. It is preventative medicine which works upon our endocannabinoid system in our bodies. If you’d prefer to be reactionary, and use pharmaceutical drugs after the problem has occurred, then that’s your free choice obviously. Just it should be somebody else’s choice to use a natural medicine that has far few side effects.

            And even if you still disagree with cannabis being legal, all the other ridiculous problems the war on drugs creates, murders, criminal records, jail time for crimes with no victims, huge amounts of wasted tax money, lost tax revenues, lack of medical research, suppression of hemp…. the list goes on and on…

            The sum of all these problems is far far worse than any medical problem cannabis allegedly causes.

            And no, there are no crack/heroin/meth receptors in your body. Those are horrible substances that cause far more harm than good to society just like cigarettes and alcohol do.

            You don’t smoke or drink do you? I hope not because just about any rational person will tell you those are far worse for you than cannabis.

          • I caution against getting your education from NIDA. Their focus is only on the negative. You can’t see what you refuse to look for. “As the National Institute on Drug Abuse, our focus is primarily on the negative consequences of marijuana use,” said Shirley Simson, a spokeswoman for the drug abuse institute, known as NIDA. “We generally do not fund research focused on the potential beneficial medical effects of marijuana.”

          • Jim:
            You make a statement “the sum of all these problems is far worse than any medical problem allegedly causes”. What is the source of this statement?

            There are a couple of aspects here.

            First we lose about 30% of the taxes we should collect from cigarettes because the First Nations and other groups are selling contraband cigarettes. I am guessing that marijuana could find its way into a contraband market so we will have dealers making money possibly more money than they are making today and we will still have policing costs to control the dealers. Its a function of how hard we tax marijuana but I am guessing it will get taxed even more than cigarettes. Also to the extent that people grow their own marijuana, there would be a loss of tax revenue. I think it could be a significant loss of tax revenue.

            Second, it is very difficult to assess the increased medical costs. Portugal has decriminalized marijuana so that might be one place to look. Note, its still illegal in Portugal, its just a civil offence and I don’t know how high the fines go. I think Colorado and Washington States are the only places that have made marijuana legal. It would seem to me that we need to assess the health impacts there over a few years to really know what the health care cost increases are. Also it will be interesting to see if the HMOs add a new question “Have you smoked marijuana in the last 5 years?” and see what they charge for a Yes answer.

          • Mike, you citing anyone as selective is akin to the pot calling the kettle black.

            When you get tired of trying to direct people to this, that, and the other thing (for the sake of putting a paper together) and are willing have a serious conversation just maybe something meaningful might be gleaned.

            So what’s the deal, no budget for research or did it get “spent” in the “brainstorming” sessions.

    • But the CMA is controlled by the alcohol, tobacco, Pharmaceutical giants. 5000 years of use…. no overdose deaths! The plant has been on this earth since way before recorded history. Marijuana does not cause cancer! It’s a lie. Too tired to say more. See my arguments studies and quotes above.

    • neither the CMA, the college of physicians, or Health Canada support decrim.

      The first two have exclusively voiced concerns over Health Canada’s handling of MMAR and for HC to support decrim goes against the Conservative’s anti-drug action plan.

      the CMA and the college of physicians comments re: government policy in relation to the medical issues not political ones. Health Canada supports decrim – let me stop laughing first. that one is too funny

  17. A government’s drug policies need to be fact and evidence based. I mean, can you conceive of a government whose drug policies are not fact and evidence based? It just seems like common sense right?

    Well ours isn’t. And it’s not just me who’s saying that. The Public Accounts Committee, and the National Audit Office have both publicly criticized the government for having a drug policy that is not based on facts and evidence… but is based on politician’s opinions.

    Inspired by – When We Grow – This is What We Can Do

    http://youtu.be/PSKJrgGqx_E

    Start watching for a few mins at 16:30.

  18. The polling questions are poorly framed. Not all pot users are criminals, as for Dave, who the hell cares.

  19. As usual, MacLeans is playing games to get the information which our browswers leave on their website. The “questionnaire” is pure entertainment and does not provide an outlet for the serious responses which Canadians might hold. Look to the Stop the Violence website for the Gallup polls which count, not this nonsense.

    • Gee, what tipped you off to the non-scientific, non-reliable nature of this poll? The sly Cheech and Chong reference, perhaps? Or the fact that the poll has been massively spammed today?

  20. I think that it is about time that we looked at all drugs and not just marijuana. What makes marijuana any different from over the counter or presciption drugs?
    If I drank a bottle of Nyquill and drove my car is it any different than smoking a joint and driving.
    We know that marijuana has side effects but so do all drugs. Anyone watching some of those drug commercials that spend half the commercial warning about if you have this or that condition you should not be taking this drug.
    We have been conditioned into thinking that it is ok to buy drugs from major drug manufacturers but it is not ok to smoke weed.
    What is the difference?

    • I’ll tell you the difference!! MARIJUANA IS FAR SAFER!! Yet somehow, inertia continues.

      “Marijuana? It’s harmless really, unless you fashion it into a club and beat somebody over the head with it”

      Bill Bailey

      • I would not go that far. We have seen the links between marijuana and schizophrenia in certain people.

        • Whoopidy Frickin Doo

          The evidence that marijuana could elevate some of the symptoms of schizophrenia is inconclusive at the moment.

          The reason for this is under prohibition, the government strictly controls studies done on cannabis. Instead they put out ridiculous lies that young people are seeing through. When they start questioning why the government lies about cannabis, maybe next try start questioning what the govt says about crack, crystal meth, heroin, bath salts….. Kids aren’t stupid… well mostly.

          Even if there is a link between cannabis and schizophrenia, shouldn’t the research all be done properly, scientifically with double blind placebo studies etc. so young kids can be educated properly about substances they might choose to put in their body?

          So lets just say I give you that one, and we say cannabis use can make some symptoms of schizophrenia worse in some people.

          Tell me, which is worse… a few people making their symptoms of schizophrenia worse….

          vs

          Prohibition continues and…..

          -Thousands die each year in the violent “War on Drugs”
          -10’s of thousands get criminal records possibly losing a handle on their career and families.
          -thousands of non-violent cannabis offenders go to jail for a crime with no victim.
          -billions of tax payer dollars go towards the war on drugs instead of things like education, poverty and treatment.
          -the drug cartels get stronger, more rich and more violent.
          -dealers sell to kids because all they care about is the money (is it easy for a 16 yr old to buy booze at the LCBO? No, regulation is far better)
          -people suffering from conditions such as MS, HIV and wasting syndrome, or going through chemotherapy, are denied access to the medicine that is most effective for them.
          -scientific research into claims that cannabis has positive effects, or can even cure hundreds of conditions from Alzheimer’s, and Parkinson’s to cancer is stymied.
          -hemp benefits aren’t realized because it is either illegal or severely restricted.

          So which would you rather have?
          Actually, I’d argue the schizophrenia side is worse off during prohibition anyway. Prohibition doesn’t stop people from using, people aren’t properly educated, and not enough proper research is done.

          • “Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.”

            – William F. Buckley Jr.

          • Cannabis Prohibition severely hinders promising medical research on how cannabis interacts with body’s endocannabinoid system.

            An article on Collective Evolution said the study suggested the activation of the brain’s cannabinoid system triggers the release of antioxidants, which act as a cleansing mechanism.
            Such a process may remove damaged cells and improve the efficiency of mitochondria, the energy source that powers cells, it added.

            New insights
            “These discoveries shed new insight on how natural marijuana cannabinoids hold the capacity to literally kill the brain inflammation responsible for causing cognitive decline, neural failure, and brain degeneration. By supplying these receptor sites with cannabinoids, patients may be able to overcome brain conditions like Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, Huntington’s disease, and more, not to mention premature brain aging,” it said.

            Luckily diseases like Alzheimer’s aren’t much of a concern though right?

          • Cannabis prohibition destroyed the incredible potential of the hemp plant. They did this because they were so scared of the competition.

            Did you know that Henry Ford spent more than a decade researching and building his Model-T car which was not only constructed from hemp but was also designed to run off hemp bio-fuel? Whatever happened to this idea?

            The car, ‘grown from the soil,’ had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel.

            http://youtu.be/54vD_cPCQM8

            How did we go from such an obvious and intelligent discovery, to using gasoline, steel and other non-harmonious materials?

            Looking at hemp, it complies with every eco-standard that exists today; in fact, it blows them out of the water. The suppression of this technology is largely due to the fact that hemp was outlawed in the US in 1937 due to the potential damaging effect it would have on many powerful industries at the time. I highly recommend you check out the the full story on how hemp became illegal to get a better understanding.”

        • you probably watched some Health Canada / d. Suzuki documentary, which are manipulated by the gov’t

          • Yes I did, but I am not that paranoid. All drugs affect people differently and some have no effect on people whereas some have a major effect.

  21. Been legal here in Colorado since November of 2012. Oddly teachers, firefighters and cops are all STILL SOBER! The bridges and tunnels are intact. Birds have not fallen from the sky. The sky is still blue here. Ya know what HAS happened? Thousands of dollars are still in our judicial funds because small amounts of pot are not an issue anymore. We have courts that are now able to take SERIOUS cases in a timely manner. I smoke it, daily. I have employment, and my kids attend school, I pay more taxes than your average congressional appointee. How am I a frakking criminal?!?

    • Bet there are a lot more random acts of kindness going on too. At least that’s what cannabis makes me feel like doing. How about you?

  22. “No. Pot users are criminals.” Only because it’s illegal. They’re also doctors, lawyers, business people, servers, etc.

    Make it legal and stop persecuting otherwise law abiding citizens.

    • “Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself, and where they are they should be changed”

      Jimmy Carter (former US president)

  23. If you are on the fence about cannabis prohibition and the effects of marijuana, please check out this award winning documentary “The Union – The Business Behind Getting High. It has been shown to members of Canadian Parliament to help educate them on the truths about cannabis. It is amazing.

    http://youtu.be/54vD_cPCQM8

    If you are a Prohibitionist, you need to watch it even more, but I won’t even bother…because most of you are so stuck in your ways.

    Anyone want to prove me wrong?

  24. Somebody changed the results of the poll.
    A few days ago, it was 63% for legalizing it, today its 32%.
    Big Brother is watching.

    • Actually a few days ago, it was around 80% in favour. And it was at that 70-80% level steady for a few days. And then it dropped from around 70% to 30% in a little over a day, just yesterday. Massive spamming/manipulation of the results. It just goes to show you how scummy some of the prohibitionists are. Pathetic.

      • I agree, that’s pathetic… but really who cares. Let’s set our eyes on the bigger picture which at this point is the potential marijuana referendum in BC next year.

  25. It also cures cancer. As far as enriching gangsters, it would stop doing that if it were legal —-well except for the government gangsters who would tax the daylights out of it. Hmmm I thought McLean readers were logical thinkers but it appears I was wrong

  26. Non Pot Smokers are criminals. Irrititable and grumpy. Poor work ethic. Lack of real interest in anything. This all leads to bad parenting and as result children end up being on the low self esteem scale. This type of ignorance leads to generations of the family structure being torn down by scattered, angry irritable. resentful people that often pass this poor attiude and ‘hater mentality’ on to their kids. Thus more generations on Non Pot Smoking Criminals are born. Leading this world down a dark hole instead of a bright, patient, creative and loving world.

  27. Why is it that every time I vaporize about 1/4 g of cannabis I almost immediately feel great? I feel happy, relaxed and energized. I feel like thinking, reading and creating. I feel like being kind to others. Then these terrible side-effects continue into the next day. Only less heightened.

    How come many of the most brilliant creative geniuses of our time are/were cannabis users? Bob Marley, Snoop Dogg, Willie Nelson, Justin Timberlake, Sir Richard Branson, Carl Sagan, Sting, Sir Paul McCartney, Whoopi Goldberg, Barack Obama, Michael Bloomberg, Ted Turner, Steve Jobs, Stephen King…. so many artists and musicians…

    Then I read studies like this:

    An article on Collective Evolution said the study suggested the activation of the brain’s cannabinoid system triggers the release of antioxidants, which act as a cleansing mechanism.
    Such a process may remove damaged cells and improve the efficiency of mitochondria, the energy source that powers cells, it added.

    New insights
    “These discoveries shed new insight on how natural marijuana cannabinoids hold the capacity to literally kill the brain inflammation responsible for causing cognitive decline, neural failure, and brain degeneration. By supplying these receptor sites with cannabinoids, patients may be able to overcome brain conditions like Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, Huntington’s disease, and more, not to mention premature brain aging,” it said.

    Frickin Alzheimer’s People! And the government strictly controls the research that can be done on cannabis with prohibition.

    Hmmmm?

    2 words. Endocanabinoid System

    It’s time for love to replace hate people…. and the War on Cannabis is pure hatred.

    “If pot f$cked up your life, it’s because pot got there first. It could have been cheeseburgers, scratch tickets, the horse races (how about alcohol, neglective parents, abusive relationships)…. a plant that makes you look at the world in a more humble way, makes food taste better, makes you silly, makes you want to love your friends more, makes sex better… If that f$cks up your life, then you are an idiot! It’s that simple.”

    -Joe Rogan

    • thank you. and, people, if you don’t know what you are talking about, when it comes to pot, at least have the decency to listen to those who know, you know…..try to be open minded, it’s not that scary, you’ll see, i promise, the bad wolf won’t bite you, if you do!

      • If 1/4 g is good for an evening, that’s about $2.50 at extremely inflated prices due to prohibition. Imagine how cheap it would be if it were legal and people could just grow their own? It would cost pennies per use.

        If cannabis treats/prevents over 200 conditions with little to no side effects, imagine how much money pharmaceutical giants would be losing out on with people able to grow their own medicine?

        And that is a huge part of the reason why cannabis remains illegal. Pharmaceutical companies have huge power over the governments.

        “The biggest killer on the planet is stress and I still think the best medicine is and always has been cannabis.” – Willie Nelson

        “The legalization of marijuana is not a dangerous experiment – the prohibition is the experiment, and it has failed dramatically, with millions of victims all around the world.”
        ― Sebastian Marincolo

      • I do hope you are not a Captain of anything, other than your imagination.

        • Of course I’m not a real captain… but I am an upstanding citizen with a good career who pays taxes.

          Please tell me what problem you have with my statement so we can discuss it like rational people.

          “In any civilized society, it is every citizen’s responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen’s responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
          ~Martin Luther King Jr.

      • You gotta love haters!! Make the world a far better place to live don’t they?

  28. It is past time.

  29. I’m all for legalizing marijuana and it would open more jobs and maybe help get Canada out of owning but we know till that slime ball Harper dose,nt want to for some odd reason insteded he want to make it harder the laws on it and it sucks because it could do so much it was legalized a couple years ago then Harper and his goons changed all that i can,t wait to see how more they will screw thing up we still have a year and a half to deal with his BS and as for smoking it that total BS it dose not impaired your driving that total BS i know lot of people that drive and smoked it not once been in a car crash at all if they can find a way of making money and use it as a excused they will