Poor Pakistan

Obama’s recent trip snubbed Islamabad, and underscored how important relations with Delhi now are


 
Poor Pakistan

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When U.S. President Barack Obama touched down in India last week on Air Force One—part of a staggering 40-aircraft, six-armoured-car entourage—his was the biggest trip to India of any U.S. administration. And the scale of Obama’s much-discussed retinue matched the sizable gesture the U.S. made toward India, as the President described the India-U.S. friendship as “one of the defining and indispensible partnerships of the 21st century.” Other presidents have fostered closer ties with India, but Obama stayed in the country longer than he has in any other, and announced America’s backing of a permanent seat on the UN Security Council for India, making it the second nation—after Japan—to earn such a distinction.

But there was an equally significant, though more implicit, action that came with the strengthening ties between the world’s largest democracies. Shirking the long-time habit of U.S. presidents to pair a stop in India with a trip to the country’s archrival, Pakistan (long seen as America’s most important strategic ally in the region), Obama continued on to three other democracies (Indonesia, South Korea, Japan)—without any such nod to Islamabad. Though the U.S. has been working on “de-hyphenating”—or separating—relations with India and Pakistan for about a decade, four of the five previous trips by U.S. presidents to India were either preceded by or followed with stops in Pakistan, mainly to avoid upsetting either of the long-standing rivals in the zero-sum game that characterizes U.S. relations with the two nations.

Sometimes, though, bolstering one friendship comes at the cost of another. For Obama, the economy was the thing—inspiring his administration to forge ahead in its partnership with India, an emerging global power, even if it meant damaging the strategic partnership with Pakistan at a critical time in the Afghan war effort. “Obama understood the importance of the economic relationship with India,” says Shuja Nawaz, the director of the South Asia Center at the Atlantic Council of the United States. “And because the recent political campaign at home has focused on economics, that tilted the balance in favour of trade and jobs in India.” Seen in that light, the trip was a success: Obama secured $10 billion in Indian purchases of American aircraft, jet engines, locomotives, and gas turbines, which will create 50,000 jobs for the flagging U.S. economy.

Indeed, the visit was also a reflection of the South Asian country’s increasing global influence and its challenge to rival China, and also further recognition by the United States that countries like India and Brazil will be major economic players in the coming decades. And though the announcement that Washington would back India for a seat on the UN Security Council was more symbolic than substantive (such an attempted reform would be subject to China’s possible veto), it confirmed the shifting power dynamics in the region.

In what many analysts said was a bid to appease Pakistan, before the Asia tour the U.S. announced $2 billion in military and security aid for Pakistan (a complement to a $7.5-billion package of civilian aid over five years that was approved last year). Despite that, Islamabad reacted to the India trip and the deepening friendship between Washington and Delhi with characteristic hostility, describing the president’s call for a top UN role for India as “power politics” lacking morality. “It is incomprehensible that the U.S. has sought to support India, whose credentials with respect to observing UN charter principles and international law are at best checkered,” a statement from Pakistan read.

Even with that public anger, some Pakistanis understand that, for Washington, economic concerns may currently be paramount. “Pakistan is a net consumer of American taxpayer benevolence,” wrote Pakistani analyst Mosharraf Zaidi in a recent column. “India is a net contributor to the American taxpayers’ bottom line. What part of ‘more money’ is so difficult for the Pakistani nationalist elite to understand?” And Cyril Almeida, an analyst and columnist with Dawn, the largest English-language daily in Pakistan, notes that there’s a part of the narrative about Pakistan-India-U.S. relations that’s often missed. “There’s what’s said publicly” in Pakistan, he says over the phone from Islamabad. “Ostensibly, Pakistan is up in arms over the U.S.-India friendship, and since it’s a zero-sum game, anything that’s seen to benefit India is seen to hurt Pakistan.” Privately, though, Pakistanis realize that India and the U.S. share more in common on strategic issues than Pakistan and the U.S. do, particularly since India began liberalizing its economy in the early 1990s. “So what often gets missed is the fact that while we complain, we understand the limitations Pakistan has.”

But Pakistan hasn’t always been the spurned one. Since the inception of a Pakistani state, the U.S. has enjoyed closer ties to Pakistan than India, in particular during the Cold War when India was closer to the Soviet camp (though it officially took a non-aligned path). Since 9/11, Pakistan has been seen as an ally with the U.S. in the war on terrorism. As part of that partnership, since 2005 America has shelled out more than $1 billion a year to fight extremists, and close to $2 billion last fiscal year.

It’s a friendship that has to some degree been defined in negatives—counter-terrorism, counter-extremism, counter-insurgency, not to mention concerns over Pakistan’s nuclear proliferation. The relationship has recently frayed, with accusations from Washington that elements of the Pakistani defence establishment have continued to actively support the Afghan Taliban while failing to secure the NATO supply routes from Pakistani ports to supply depots across the Afghan border.

India, on the other hand, has much to offer the U.S.: a robust economy, strategic positioning in terms of helping to guard the vital Indian Ocean sea lane across which most of the world’s oil moves, and a role as counterbalance to China in Asia. While the U.S. has been struggling to bounce back after the financial crisis, its economy shrinking by 2.4 per cent last year, India’s GDP is expected to increase by 10 per cent in 2010. Indians also make up the largest skilled migrant group in the U.S. Pakistan cannot offer any such benefits.

There’s another source of tension in the trilateral relations: much of Pakistan’s frustration over strengthened U.S.-Indian ties is a result of Kashmir. Before assuming the presidency, Obama said he would help find a solution to the problem of the disputed territory, claimed by both sides and at the heart of two wars fought between India and Pakistan since 1947. Since then, he’s remained neutral, in line with U.S. policy, since 1990, of non-interference on Kashmir unless invited. But any evidence of favouritism is bound to increase Pakistani suspicions, and Obama’s trip to India and his Security Council announcement fuelled fears that he intends to take the Indian side.

Whatever the future holds, Pakistan may have to get used to playing second fiddle to India. “There is this sense in Pakistan of constant betrayal—they want the U.S. to back them against India,” says Walter Andersen, associate director of the South Asia Studies program at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. But, he adds: “India is eight times larger than Pakistan, and growing every year. It’s always going to be big—and there.”


 

Poor Pakistan

  1. poor, poorer and poorest pakistan!

  2. poor, poorer and poorest pakistan!

    • So Obama goes to India. Could it have been to bolster India's image, after the "Shame Games"? India, with such
      supposed power, humiliated itself on the world stage. It usually does– I mean worshipping cows, statues, rats.
      South Africa pulled off the World Cup beautifully. India, some super-power.
      .

      • I dont call myself an Indian, ever. Why would I want to be from the lowest race on earth? Did you hear about the study they did, finding that Indian men have smallest
        penises? All this calling for war on Pak and China, overcompensating? India, remember 1962, when China took you out, after you called them out? By the way, to any Indian reading this. No matter what you do, no matter how much the media is propping you up, everyone of the other races still laughs at you, and still call you Pakis (general slur for all brown-skinned people). Indians are showing a great inferiority complex by saying that they are not pakis. And why not?
        After being ruled by Greeks, Scythians, the British…and Muslims for 1000 years, they have proven inferiority.

        • So what. you shame yourself everyday by just being from pakistan. i mean are you serious even opening your mouth against an indian. we rule. you guys are poor peasants in our minds. indians don't care or waste time thinking about your country. you're stuck in a rut, while we advance. pure haters – that's all you are. you can say all the nonsense you want you are still are a low class convert. you are still from pakistan. jumping around, from message to message trying to preserve some false pride. i mean the article was written by a non south asian – how much more un-bias can you ask for. if you don't like it, too bad. deny it all you want. it won't change a thing. end of story.

    • For Millenia, India has lost, ALWAYS. The West has chosen the wrong partner.
      Pakistan has more nukes, and balls, than India. Pakistan had the third fastest growing economy in Asia–behind China
      and Singapore, before the flood/attack. Check H.A.A.R.P. technology. Pakistan was one of the most effective allies
      America ever had.

    • Hey Nav. 800 000 000 destitute people in India, out of 1 billion. Roaring success. By the way, Nav, Hindu, you are a coward behind a screen. You will find most Indian Hindus to be the same. hahaha

      • luckily for you, i am an athiest, and Indian too! I am glad you choose to NOT call yourself and Indian. That would be insulting my India and I would NOT tolerate that.

        • You are an atheist idiot. By the way, India insults itself. Commonwealth Games?

  3. A nice article written in a neutral fashion.
    May be its time for pakistan to stop developing all the deadly weapons against indian and start looking in its own economy.
    -Jimmy

  4. A nice article written in a neutral fashion.
    May be its time for pakistan to stop developing all the deadly weapons against indian and start looking in its own economy.
    -Jimmy

    • Maybe if India did the same thing Pakistan might feel safe to do so as well.

      • Pakistan is hurting, not India

        • Pakistan is hurting itself. The politicians are ruining the country, the fanatics are ruining the country and the people are left leaderless in this mess. There are way too may internal problems constantly undermining the development and progress of the country. India is not a part of this. Pakistan does not need to "feel safe" where India is concerned. It is the other way around.

  5. US has caught a china fever and virus is spreading in the media too. All of sudden India has becomes their remedy. Again, MacLean's does the job. Shows its real side by taking side with rich side of course. Yes, Pakistan is poor now than before. Never to mention how much Pakistan has lost in this stupid war. Who said that WAR comes for free. US tax payers have to pay their dues If that's what they want their government to fight this unwinnable war. Since 9/11 Pakistan has lost more than $100 billion and countless lives (more than any allied forces) and billions on foreign investment on so called war on terror. 2 Millions people were internally displaced due to this war. Not to mention we already had American/Soviet gift of over 5 million Afghan refugees living in Pakistan for last 30 years. Pakistan is used as an ally of convenience not a true ally as media always report. So, stop blaming your lost war on Pakistan. You want see rich Pakistan, stop war, do trade and no aid.

  6. US has caught a china fever and virus is spreading in the media too. All of sudden India has becomes their remedy. Again, MacLean's does the job. Shows its real side by taking side with rich side of course. Yes, Pakistan is poor now than before. Never to mention how much Pakistan has lost in this stupid war. Who said that WAR comes for free. US tax payers have to pay their dues If that's what they want their government to fight this unwinnable war. Since 9/11 Pakistan has lost more than $100 billion and countless lives (more than any allied forces) and billions on foreign investment on so called war on terror. 2 Millions people were internally displaced due to this war. Not to mention we already had American/Soviet gift of over 5 million Afghan refugees living in Pakistan for last 30 years. Pakistan is used as an ally of convenience not a true ally as media always report. So, stop blaming your lost war on Pakistan. You want see rich Pakistan, stop war, do trade and no aid.

    • Agree 100%. Pakistan was not responsible for Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the mujahideen killing each other after Soviet defeat. Pakistan was not responsible for 9/11. America was always complicit with Pakistan throughout all of this. It is because of W's ill conceived war on terror that Pakistan is still paying for with lives and money everyday. W decided to carpet bomb a few thousand rag tag Taliban who just ran and crossed the border into Pakistan and are responsible for killing more than 10,000 Pakistanis since, a loss of $100 billion dollars since then. Now that the US and NATO have been defeated in Afghanistan and are looking for a way out and taking to the Taliban, Pakistan's position has been vindicated and once the invaders leave the region, Pakistan will be back to normal again. Haters will eat crow as always.

      • Typical pakistani! blame everyone for their problems. don't try to fix your issues…hope someone else will do that for you. when they don't they are bad, when they do they are abused and insulted. grow some balls and stand up for yourselves against the corrupt politicians and religious fanatics!!!

    • er, if Paksitan stopped supporting taliban, may be things would be better? They are continuing to support taliban so that after US leaves Afghanistan, their proxy can rule Afghanistan again, giving them "strategic depth" that the army wants. Pakistan has always survived on aid throughout its history. They got US aid during the cold war. During the Afghnistan war, the CIA outsourced managing the mujahideen to Pakistan. Most of the arms and money was routed through pakistan's army. The pakistani army swallowed most of the aid and then later on trained the taliban in its madrasas to take over Afghanistan.

      When the Soviet Union left Afghanistan, Pakistan took upon itself to train taliban to take over Afghanistan. Pakistani ISI also supported the sipahi-e-sahiba to act as a counter against MQM. It created the Jasih-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Taibba to fight against India. It is even now supporting the Haqqani faction of Taliban so that they can take over Afghanistan after US leaves the region. Pakistan has got more than $18 billion aid since 9/11. Where did alll these money go?

  7. Pakistan and all pakistanis hate indians…this is the main reason of their failure at every front…punjabis killing mujahir,pathans,sindhis and trying to take over pakistan by continuosly funding terrorist.They cannot develop bcoz they are the hub of terrorist activities all over world.How can they can have better lives when they kill innocent people all over india and world.Most of the pakis in UK,USA and other parts of the world like to call themselves INDIAN bcoz they know how much hatred everyone have for their stupid activities and giving a bad name to india and indian as well.

  8. Pakistan and all pakistanis hate indians…this is the main reason of their failure at every front…punjabis killing mujahir,pathans,sindhis and trying to take over pakistan by continuosly funding terrorist.They cannot develop bcoz they are the hub of terrorist activities all over world.How can they can have better lives when they kill innocent people all over india and world.Most of the pakis in UK,USA and other parts of the world like to call themselves INDIAN bcoz they know how much hatred everyone have for their stupid activities and giving a bad name to india and indian as well.

    • Ashish, this is not true at all that all Pakistanis hate Indians. I think you live in Shiv Sena Bal Thackeray fanatic world. We all know how much Indians love each other. Even though, you have used some racist words in your comment but as a Pakistani, I am not going to insult your intelligence. Peace brother.

      • We Pakistani don't hate Indian coz in India Muslim Indians live who are even more in no than Pakistani Muslim in Pakistan. But we truely hate Hindu mentality ( which you have also expressed in your comments). India is our motherland we had been ruling this region since many decades, it is only six decades you (Hindu) become the master of this land. Killing of innocent people! hm . Just be ashamed of your self, what your Hindu govt is doing in Kashmir with our muslim majority people against their right of self determination. What you had been doing in Srilanka. What you are doing in Tamil and Asam, what you are doing in Maharashtara. What you did to our Babri Mosque, What terrorism you are spreading in our Balochistan. and this page is not enough to write all your wrong doings and propaganda you rascles are spreading against Muslims and Pakistan.

        • I wont blame you, Its the twisted form of Islam that has been fed to greater percentage of Pakistanis since inception that forces you pakistanis (majority) to hold this view about Secular India.

          But we Indians have a lot more to worry (read R&D, Standard of living, Infrastructure, Diseases etc) to take care of. And personaly I feel we are in the right path.

        • I alway get a laugh when I hear a muslim state "we ruled india". Correction: You were ruled by muslims and hence your conversion – you are the real victims. In my opinion, your ancestral conversion merely reflects a lack of courage and will to fight against injustice (Sword of Islam) or simply to part with their money (Jizya). It's a tragedy and is shameful.

          Further, India is an old and ancient country ruled wholly or partly by many dynasties (Gupta, Maratha, Mauryan, Moghul, Sikh to merely name a few). Many of which pre-date Islam. Educate yourself and learn some history before making ignorant comments.

          • I always get a laugh at seeing Hindus bowing to rats, and worshipping Shiva's erect penis. It's a tragedy, and it is shameful.

          • whatever inbred. you're from the worst and most detested religion in the world. same for your so called country (failed state).

          • What do you worship inside Kaba in Mecca? Isn't it Shiva's penis too?

      • Racist words!? WOW!! I just LOVE it when that word is used without knowing what it actually means!! ok, maybe I don't know what it means!!

  9. Agree 100%. Pakistan was not responsible for Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the mujahideen killing each other after Soviet defeat. Pakistan was not responsible for 9/11. America was always complicit with Pakistan throughout all of this. It is because of W's ill conceived war on terror that Pakistan is still paying for with lives and money everyday. W decided to carpet bomb a few thousand rag tag Taliban who just ran and crossed the border into Pakistan and are responsible for killing more than 10,000 Pakistanis since, a loss of $100 billion dollars since then. Now that the US and NATO have been defeated in Afghanistan and are looking for a way out and taking to the Taliban, Pakistan's position has been vindicated and once the invaders leave the region, Pakistan will be back to normal again. Haters will eat crow as always.

  10. Maybe if India did the same thing Pakistan might feel safe to do so as well.

  11. Julia Belluz : You make it sound as if Pakistanis were holding their breath on Obama's visit. There was non nonchalance. There was much support for President Obama when he became president, but the 200 or so drone bombings have dissipated all the equity Pakistanis felt towards him. If and when President Obama comes to Pakistan–it is planned in 2011 it will be a transactional visit.

    Pakistan is eagerly looking forward to the trip of the Chinese Premier, who will get a grand reception–well that is reserved only for Turkish, Saudi and Chinese heads of States. When they come the entire nation celebrates.

    Pakistanis sided with the US during the cold war. Bharat (aka India) sided with the USSR and did not even condemn the Afghan invasion. Pakistan's reward–dilapidating sanctions for a decade. Everything that was promised to Delhi this time had already been promised to Pakistan in the sixties–Delhi will soon know the meaning of empty promises.

    As far as the jobs are concerned–its a joke. Bharat is one of the largest recipients of foreign aid in the world. The UK gives it 500 million pound sterling per annum. Japan is the biggest donor to penury stricken Bharat. It is one of the largest debtor nations on the planet and its HDI index has shown a sharp decline in the past decade ending up below Pakistani indices.

    The US just signed a deal worth $60 billion with Saudi Arabia. The Gulf Stats are purchasing $120 billion of arms from America. The US spends $10 bilion in a week in Afghanistan. The Indo-US trade is 2% of American aid–mostly exports to Bharat minus the four mangoes that Delhi exports to the US. The trade between the US and China is approaching $500 billion. The trade with Bharat is less than $50 billion. The Bharati economy is smaller than the economy of the Benelux countries. The US defense budget is larger than the GDP of Bharat. So much for job creation. What will Bharat do employ Call Center experts from Colorado at $10 per hour?

    Pakistan loses $20 billion per annum because of the useless war imposed on the people of Pakistan. The US abuses air bases and Pakistani roads (the envy of South Asia) and does not maintain them. US Aid is only 3% of the Pakistani budget and most of it is useless 25% wasted on administrative expenses, 92% ending up in US based NGOs. The US converted most of the aid for this year to the flood relief.

    Pakistan is looking forward to a closer relationship with China–the sooner the US leaves Afghanistan the better.

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  12. Very well put. The Indian euphoria won't last and Indians will become aware of this gradually. US does not have friends…it has interests. And on the international level, somehow pakistan has always outsmarted US and India. While India is being turned into a surrogate like Israel against China….Pakistanis have got the hang of it and are tightly aligned with China already. What the future looks like is anyone's guess. Beijing has its own plans too and is encircling India. Even Nepal and Sri Lanka have been taking a tough tone with Delhi, thanks to the Chinese. All in all, whatever happens…BOTH India AND Pakistan will end up as losers. For Beijing and Washington they are just cannon fodder.

  13. Very well put. The Indian euphoria won't last and Indians will become aware of this gradually. US does not have friends…it has interests. And on the international level, somehow pakistan has always outsmarted US and India. While India is being turned into a surrogate like Israel against China….Pakistanis have got the hang of it and are tightly aligned with China already. What the future looks like is anyone's guess. Beijing has its own plans too and is encircling India. Even Nepal and Sri Lanka have been taking a tough tone with Delhi, thanks to the Chinese. All in all, whatever happens…BOTH India AND Pakistan will end up as losers. For Beijing and Washington they are just cannon fodder.

    • If Pakistani officials have the same mentality as yours, then Pakistan will be a long way from progression and just keep on getting stuck in the mud.

  14. Two men were walking while they slipped and fell in the mud. Man #1, although full of dirt and mud, tries to get up. Man #2, doesn't want to get up because he thinks somebody will come and lift him up. When Man #1 (with all the mud and dirt), tries to start walking, Man #2 (fearing he'll be alone in the mud) starts throwing more mud and dirt and wants Man #1 to fall again.
    Man #1 = India/Indian mentality
    Man #2 = Pakistan/Your mentality

  15. Two men were walking while they slipped and fell in the mud. Man #1, although full of dirt and mud, tries to get up. Man #2, doesn't want to get up because he thinks somebody will come and lift him up. When Man #1 (with all the mud and dirt), tries to start walking, Man #2 (fearing he'll be alone in the mud) starts throwing more mud and dirt and wants Man #1 to fall again.
    Man #1 = India/Indian mentality
    Man #2 = Pakistan/Your mentality

  16. Ashish, this is not true at all that all Pakistanis hate Indians. I think you live in Shiv Sena Bal Thackeray fanatic world. We all know how much Indians love each other. Even though, you have used some racist words in your comment but as a Pakistani, I am not going to insult your intelligence. Peace brother.

  17. The main problem is Pakistan has a split personality. It wants to be a modern state like India and at the same time it is a vigorous proponent of Islam and jihadi culture. It glorifies China which is likewise another authoritarian state. It will do anything to appease it. Even to the extent of killing fellow Muslims from the China's Sinking Province. At the same time doing a lot of holy howling about the Kashmiri Muslims. The Kashmiri Muslims have an unenviable reputation of slaughtering and/or exterminating non-Muslims in their state, as they are doing it in Pakistan. What does Pakistan want then? For a long time it was seeking parity with India, it became a catch cry, at home and abroad. In fact it was a losing ground (some say failing) and finally they are facing the reality that it is sinking and it will never be equal to India in any shape or form. The fact it has nuclear weapons based on stolen technology makes no difference. The world sees Pakistan differently. This is something Pakistan has to come to grips with, the sooner the better.

  18. The main problem is Pakistan has a split personality. It wants to be a modern state like India and at the same time it is a vigorous proponent of Islam and jihadi culture. It glorifies China which is likewise another authoritarian state. It will do anything to appease it. Even to the extent of killing fellow Muslims from the China's Sinking Province. At the same time doing a lot of holy howling about the Kashmiri Muslims. The Kashmiri Muslims have an unenviable reputation of slaughtering and/or exterminating non-Muslims in their state, as they are doing it in Pakistan. What does Pakistan want then? For a long time it was seeking parity with India, it became a catch cry, at home and abroad. In fact it was a losing ground (some say failing) and finally they are facing the reality that it is sinking and it will never be equal to India in any shape or form. The fact it has nuclear weapons based on stolen technology makes no difference. The world sees Pakistan differently. This is something Pakistan has to come to grips with, the sooner the better.

  19. er, if Paksitan stopped supporting taliban, may be things would be better? They are continuing to support taliban so that after US leaves Afghanistan, their proxy can rule Afghanistan again, giving them "strategic depth" that the army wants. Pakistan has always survived on aid throughout its history. They got US aid during the cold war. During the Afghnistan war, the CIA outsourced managing the mujahideen to Pakistan. Most of the arms and money was routed through pakistan's army. The pakistani army swallowed most of the aid and then later on trained the taliban in its madrasas to take over Afghanistan.

    When the Soviet Union left Afghanistan, Pakistan took upon itself to train taliban to take over Afghanistan. Pakistani ISI also supported the sipahi-e-sahiba to act as a counter against MQM. It created the Jasih-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Taibba to fight against India. It is even now supporting the Haqqani faction of Taliban so that they can take over Afghanistan after US leaves the region. Pakistan has got more than $18 billion aid since 9/11. Where did alll these money go?

  20. Rofl. thanks for the laughs. yeahh the three great fliends of bakistan china, turkey and saudi..how much did they donate to your begging bowl when floods came? shamelessly your ambassador still keeps floating your begging bowl in the US. so much for lessons in thanklessness.

    rest is usual bakisatani stats out of their musharraf

  21. Rofl. thanks for the laughs. yeahh the three great fliends of bakistan china, turkey and saudi..how much did they donate to your begging bowl when floods came? shamelessly your ambassador still keeps floating your begging bowl in the US. so much for lessons in thanklessness.

    rest is usual bakisatani stats out of their musharraf

  22. Even Pakistanis are not safe nor are they protected in Pakistan, how much more a president of a nation that are targeted by many Islamists (mostly trained in Pakistan)?

  23. Even Pakistanis are not safe nor are they protected in Pakistan, how much more a president of a nation that are targeted by many Islamists (mostly trained in Pakistan)?

  24. Yes, Pakistan is a victim. We must provide them with more aid. They need more shiny F-16s and nuclear tipped long range missiles to fight off the Taliban. We must also fund them so their politicians can loot our taxpayer's money.

    More aid is the solution. How dare did Obama support a free, democratic country in Asia? We do not need such allies.

    Pakistan on the other hand is fighting our war, even though its intelligence agencies are secretly funding the same Taliban we pay them to fight.

    Julia, did you honestly write this article just to get published? or are you serious?

  25. Yes, Pakistan is a victim. We must provide them with more aid. They need more shiny F-16s and nuclear tipped long range missiles to fight off the Taliban. We must also fund them so their politicians can loot our taxpayer's money.

    More aid is the solution. How dare did Obama support a free, democratic country in Asia? We do not need such allies.

    Pakistan on the other hand is fighting our war, even though its intelligence agencies are secretly funding the same Taliban we pay them to fight.

    Julia, did you honestly write this article just to get published? or are you serious?

    • Jassi you must keep your money in your country USA I suppose and tell Obama Pakistan does not need him. It is his desire to keeep Pakistan stick to US to continue bloody war on terror. One blast / 9-11 at USA and daily bomb blasts in Pakistan ………. This what WE Pakistani have got out of US friendship.

  26. The world would be a much safer place if there was no Pakistan.

  27. Pakistan is hurting, not India

  28. Though I am a pakistani but here I would rather support India. It is the time that we Pakistanis should start realizing their own fallacies. Pakistan's army which the nation present sacred is the worst mafia mankind has ever suffered. Pakistan mafia created and has been fostering and supporting the Islamic terrorism for many decades. Paikistani army mafia always seek negative approach, they have killed million of Pakistani people as well, we should remember Bangali Pakistanis in 1971, Sindhis, Baluchis and Muhajirs that were killed by Pak Army Mafia. They sent terrorists in India, Afghanistan for their ambitions, they trained Terrorists to kill in
    Eourope, Russia and the USA. 9/11 New York, terrorists, 7/7 London Bombing culprits and the foiled attempts since then , all were trained in Pakistan. As Pakistan Army supports Wahabi sect, (the sect followed by Arabs as well) , while Arabs finance the terror plots , pakistan's Army executes the those terrorism worldwide. PakArmy Mafia were also selling the nuclear technology to fill their pockets. They also support and unleashed the ( wahabi) terrorist groups in Pakistan who blast bombs in shiaits, Baralvis and non-muslims places of worship within Pakistan on the daily basis without any problem.
    I wonder why the world is not taking strong action against such a diabolical mafia as Pakistan Army and its secrete agency ISI.

  29. Though I am a pakistani but here I would rather support India. It is the time that we Pakistanis should start realizing their own fallacies. Pakistan's army which the nation present sacred is the worst mafia mankind has ever suffered. Pakistan mafia created and has been fostering and supporting the Islamic terrorism for many decades. Paikistani army mafia always seek negative approach, they have killed million of Pakistani people as well, we should remember Bangali Pakistanis in 1971, Sindhis, Baluchis and Muhajirs that were killed by Pak Army Mafia. They sent terrorists in India, Afghanistan for their ambitions, they trained Terrorists to kill in
    Eourope, Russia and the USA. 9/11 New York, terrorists, 7/7 London Bombing culprits and the foiled attempts since then , all were trained in Pakistan. As Pakistan Army supports Wahabi sect, (the sect followed by Arabs as well) , while Arabs finance the terror plots , pakistan's Army executes the those terrorism worldwide. PakArmy Mafia were also selling the nuclear technology to fill their pockets. They also support and unleashed the ( wahabi) terrorist groups in Pakistan who blast bombs in shiaits, Baralvis and non-muslims places of worship within Pakistan on the daily basis without any problem.
    I wonder why the world is not taking strong action against such a diabolical mafia as Pakistan Army and its secrete agency ISI.

    • kyon pakistani army teri ma di choot maar chuki hai kya jiska najayaz result tu haramzada paida hua tha.

      • very subtly put, baloch! the standard of education in your province seems to be improving!

  30. We Pakistani don't hate Indian coz in India Muslim Indians live who are even more in no than Pakistani Muslim in Pakistan. But we truely hate Hindu mentality ( which you have also expressed in your comments). India is our motherland we had been ruling this region since many decades, it is only six decades you (Hindu) become the master of this land. Killing of innocent people! hm . Just be ashamed of your self, what your Hindu govt is doing in Kashmir with our muslim majority people against their right of self determination. What you had been doing in Srilanka. What you are doing in Tamil and Asam, what you are doing in Maharashtara. What you did to our Babri Mosque, What terrorism you are spreading in our Balochistan. and this page is not enough to write all your wrong doings and propaganda you rascles are spreading against Muslims and Pakistan.

  31. Jassi you must keep your money in your country USA I suppose and tell Obama Pakistan does not need him. It is his desire to keeep Pakistan stick to US to continue bloody war on terror. One blast / 9-11 at USA and daily bomb blasts in Pakistan ………. This what WE Pakistani have got out of US friendship.

  32. Teri Maa Ki Choot Maroo Kanjri

  33. Teri Maa Ki Choot Maroo Kanjri

  34. Pakistan is a failed terrorist state.

    Nuff Said!

  35. Pakistan is a failed terrorist state.

    Nuff Said!

  36. If Pakistani officials have the same mentality as yours, then Pakistan will be a long way from progression and just keep on getting stuck in the mud.

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    Obama is traveling around the world becasue he doesn't want to face the problems at home. His approval ratings are in the pit, so like every other president at their low, they hope on a plane and travel the world at the people's expense.

  38. WOW……….. .www.greatvacationspots.net

    Obama is traveling around the world becasue he doesn't want to face the problems at home. His approval ratings are in the pit, so like every other president at their low, they hope on a plane and travel the world at the people's expense.

    • Ofcourse. Obama shifting attention from his failures and his inabilty to keep campaign promises, among other things,
      and India needing a boost after it could not even host the commonwealth games, shaming itself on the world stage.
      Double-game, double-deception, hide my shame-I hide yours, and double-trouble, for the world.

      *Jesus Hated Usury*

      • We take pride in succeeding and failing on OUR OWN MERIT. As opposed to you hoo prefer to blame others.

  39. I wont blame you, Its the twisted form of Islam that has been fed to greater percentage of Pakistanis since inception that forces you pakistanis (majority) to hold this view about Secular India.

    But we Indians have a lot more to worry (read R&D, Standard of living, Infrastructure, Diseases etc) to take care of. And personaly I feel we are in the right path.

  40. kyon pakistani army teri ma di choot maar chuki hai kya jiska najayaz result tu haramzada paida hua tha.

  41. I alway get a laugh when I hear a muslim state "we ruled india". Correction: You were ruled by muslims and hence your conversion – you are the real victims. In my opinion, your ancestral conversion merely reflects a lack of courage and will to fight against injustice (Sword of Islam) or simply to part with their money (Jizya). It's a tragedy and is shameful.

    Further, India is an old and ancient country ruled wholly or partly by many dynasties (Gupta, Maratha, Mauryan, Moghul, Sikh to merely name a few). Many of which pre-date Islam. Educate yourself and learn some history before making ignorant comments.

  42. Another bitter and jealous pakistani making things up.

    You suffer from the same D-2 mentality that most pakistanis suffer from: Denial & Delusion.

  43. Another bitter and jealous pakistani making things up.

    You suffer from the same D-2 mentality that most pakistanis suffer from: Denial & Delusion.

  44. This is just one more show case of jealousy out from the heart. Grow up and think and see the realistic figures from the world statistics. Do you understand the impact of 10bn$ business and the jobs it creates in long turn…Grow up man…Agree the reality. India is emerging and learning and shining

  45. This is just one more show case of jealousy out from the heart. Grow up and think and see the realistic figures from the world statistics. Do you understand the impact of 10bn$ business and the jobs it creates in long turn…Grow up man…Agree the reality. India is emerging and learning and shining

    • You should know that India is on its own when there are natural disasters and there is no such aid from america or IMF to survive from bankruptcy. Pakistan would have got bankrupted if IMF didn't release the funds. don't forget the fact that Pakistan also got humanitarian relief from India. Start seeing the reality and stop shedding the jealousy and hatred. Grow up by living in peace and harmony

  46. You should know that India is on its own when there are natural disasters and there is no such aid from america or IMF to survive from bankruptcy. Pakistan would have got bankrupted if IMF didn't release the funds. don't forget the fact that Pakistan also got humanitarian relief from India. Start seeing the reality and stop shedding the jealousy and hatred. Grow up by living in peace and harmony

  47. Editor, Exactly what do you edit ? Feel sorry for your readers. Non Nonchalance and Equity !!! Look up a dictionary pal, before spewing your linguistic and Intellectual stupidity all over the place. On the one hand you pooh pooh the relevance of US, but true to muslim form use it to further your arguments elsewhere. So the $10 billion Boeing deal is not good enough for you because Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States spent 120 billion !!!! This is like saying you may be better than me, but I know someone who is better than you !!!! And can we have some honesty while you are at it ? The $120 billion includes the Saudi Arabian $60 billion. it is not $60 billion + another $120 billion. The 4 Mangoes reference is really hilarious. The balance of trade with the US is actually in India's favor. Must be a lot of Mangoes… Can you count that high ? And you think the Benelux economy is bigger than the Indian economy ? Where did you get your facts from ? The Koran ? Look in a freakin mirror dude and ask yourself if what you are doing is right ? Deciet, Lies, Rape, Loot and Plunder maybe all good in the medieval ages..but you guys need to snap out of it.

  48. Editor, Exactly what do you edit ? Feel sorry for your readers. Non Nonchalance and Equity !!! Look up a dictionary pal, before spewing your linguistic and Intellectual stupidity all over the place. On the one hand you pooh pooh the relevance of US, but true to muslim form use it to further your arguments elsewhere. So the $10 billion Boeing deal is not good enough for you because Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States spent 120 billion !!!! This is like saying you may be better than me, but I know someone who is better than you !!!! And can we have some honesty while you are at it ? The $120 billion includes the Saudi Arabian $60 billion. it is not $60 billion + another $120 billion. The 4 Mangoes reference is really hilarious. The balance of trade with the US is actually in India's favor. Must be a lot of Mangoes… Can you count that high ? And you think the Benelux economy is bigger than the Indian economy ? Where did you get your facts from ? The Koran ? Look in a freakin mirror dude and ask yourself if what you are doing is right ? Deciet, Lies, Rape, Loot and Plunder maybe all good in the medieval ages..but you guys need to snap out of it.

  49. So Obama goes to India. Could it have been to bolster India's image, after the "Shame Games"? India, with such
    supposed power, humiliated itself on the world stage. It usually does– I mean worshipping cows, statues, rats.
    South Africa pulled off the World Cup beautifully. India, some super-power.
    .

  50. For Millenia, India has lost, ALWAYS. The West has chosen the wrong partner.
    Pakistan has more nukes, and balls, than India. Pakistan had the third fastest growing economy in Asia–behind China
    and Singapore, before the flood/attack. Check H.A.A.R.P. technology. Pakistan was one of the most effective allies
    America ever had.

  51. I dont call myself an Indian, ever. Why would I want to be from the lowest race on earth? Did you hear about the study they did, finding that Indian men have smallest
    penises? All this calling for war on Pak and China, overcompensating? India, remember 1962, when China took you out, after you called them out? By the way, to any Indian reading this. No matter what you do, no matter how much the media is propping you up, everyone of the other races still laughs at you, and still call you Pakis (general slur for all brown-skinned people). Indians are showing a great inferiority complex by saying that they are not pakis. And why not?
    After being ruled by Greeks, Scythians, the British…and Muslims for 1000 years, they have proven inferiority.

  52. Hey Nav. 800 000 000 destitute people in India, out of 1 billion. Roaring success. By the way, Nav, Hindu, you are a coward behind a screen. You will find most Indian Hindus to be the same. hahaha

  53. Ofcourse. Obama shifting attention from his failures and his inabilty to keep campaign promises, among other things,
    and India needing a boost after it could not even host the commonwealth games, shaming itself on the world stage.
    Double-game, double-deception, hide my shame-I hide yours, and double-trouble, for the world.

    *Jesus Hated Usury*

  54. luckily for you, i am an athiest, and Indian too! I am glad you choose to NOT call yourself and Indian. That would be insulting my India and I would NOT tolerate that.

  55. Pakistan is hurting itself. The politicians are ruining the country, the fanatics are ruining the country and the people are left leaderless in this mess. There are way too may internal problems constantly undermining the development and progress of the country. India is not a part of this. Pakistan does not need to "feel safe" where India is concerned. It is the other way around.

  56. Typical pakistani! blame everyone for their problems. don't try to fix your issues…hope someone else will do that for you. when they don't they are bad, when they do they are abused and insulted. grow some balls and stand up for yourselves against the corrupt politicians and religious fanatics!!!

  57. Racist words!? WOW!! I just LOVE it when that word is used without knowing what it actually means!! ok, maybe I don't know what it means!!

  58. We take pride in succeeding and failing on OUR OWN MERIT. As opposed to you hoo prefer to blame others.

  59. I always get a laugh at seeing Hindus bowing to rats, and worshipping Shiva's erect penis. It's a tragedy, and it is shameful.

  60. You are an atheist idiot. By the way, India insults itself. Commonwealth Games?

  61. very subtly put, baloch! the standard of education in your province seems to be improving!

  62. So what. you shame yourself everyday by just being from pakistan. i mean are you serious even opening your mouth against an indian. we rule. you guys are poor peasants in our minds. indians don't care or waste time thinking about your country. you're stuck in a rut, while we advance. pure haters – that's all you are. you can say all the nonsense you want you are still are a low class convert. you are still from pakistan. jumping around, from message to message trying to preserve some false pride. i mean the article was written by a non south asian – how much more un-bias can you ask for. if you don't like it, too bad. deny it all you want. it won't change a thing. end of story.

  63. whatever inbred. you're from the worst and most detested religion in the world. same for your so called country (failed state).

  64. What do you worship inside Kaba in Mecca? Isn't it Shiva's penis too?

  65. Pakistan is the sick country of Asia.
    Sad that HA is as he ignorant as he is stupid. Because of his kind there will not be 180 M Pakistani (like today) but nearly 300 M in 15 years like him that have no real understanding of the real issue within Pakistan. The real issue is that the Pakistani state is a failed state that is a state sponsor of terrorism. Without American money where would you be? You have no economy, no vision, nothing to offer a civilized planet. Your so called wonderful army is a corrupt and pathetic collection of generals who suffer delusions of grandeur living off handouts with a few nuclear bombs. So you got the nuclear bomb! That is old technology, so what?. Its been around a few decades! If the Chinese did not help you out with a DIY kit even that would have been out of your reach. The truth is that you do NOT need to defend yourself!!!. No nation on this planet would want to invade a nation that is labeled the source of all terrorism on the planet. Really! I think the planet is thinking of how to keep you all in Pakistan. we all need to build a wall around Pakistan. We should let you all fight it out with each other since you cannot live at peace with anyone even between yourselves!!
    A failed state in the next ten years is my prediction!!!!! No you do not needs Nukes to protect yourselves at all! We need nukes to keep you in Pakistan!
    Truth is never easy to accept.