Israel and Iran: War now? Or war later?

For Benjamin Netanyahu, the question is not if, but when to bomb Iran

War now? Or war later?

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Mutual hostility between Israel and Iran has burned hot ever since Iran’s Islamic Revolution of 1979. But rarely, if ever, has the prospect of outright war between the two countries been as real as it is now.

At issue is Iran’s nuclear program. Iran insists it is peaceful. Israel, along with most Western nations, believes it is geared toward obtaining a nuclear weapon. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who told the United Nations last week that Iran is on track to build an atomic bomb by the summer of 2013, is determined to stop it. A firm ultimatum was needed, he said, calling on the United States and other global powers to set a “red line” that Iran would not be allowed to cross without triggering a military response. The U.S. has so far rejected such a tactic. President Barack Obama says the U.S. will not allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, but he is refusing to threaten Iran with an explicit deadline.

With American help, Israel has launched a covert campaign of sabotage and cyber-warfare. A wave of assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists in the last two years is also believed to be Israel’s responsibility. But still Iran’s centrifuges spin, and uranium is enriched.

The final and most serious measures Israel might employ are air strikes. The targets are far from Israel’s borders, and most are deeply buried. They are more difficult and dangerous to hit than either the Iraqi nuclear reactor Israel bombed in 1981, or the Syrian one it attacked in 2007.

The difficulties involved in hitting Iran’s nuclear facilities (especially in a unilateral attack), the uncertainties about the chances of success, and the possible repercussions an attack might trigger have provoked a fierce debate in Israeli political and military circles. Israeli President Shimon Peres has publicly spoken against the prospect of unilateral Israel strikes. And Meir Dagan, recently retired head of the Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, calls the idea “the stupidest thing I have ever heard.”

But Netanyahu appears undeterred. He recognizes that an attack involving the U.S.—with its greater reach and military resources—would be much more damaging to Iran and its nuclear program. And so he took his public relations campaign to U.S. soil.

Prior to the U.N. speech, Netanyahu used appearances on American talk shows to argue that Iran must be given an ultimatum. And on the eve of his trip to America, Netanyahu suggested an Israeli attack would stem, in part, from other nations’ refusal to take a firmer stand against Iran: “The world tells Israel, ‘Wait, there’s still time.’ And I say, ‘Wait for what? Wait until when? Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel,” he told reporters in Jerusalem in early September.

Netanyahu’s dire predictions of a soon-to-be nuclear Iran are also not new. In 1992, then a member of the Israeli parliament, Netanyahu said Iran was three to five years away from nuclear weapons capability. The threat, he said, had to be “uprooted by an international front headed by the U.S.”

It takes audacity for an Israeli prime minister to seek confrontation with an American president in the midst of a re-election campaign. And indeed Netanyahu’s barbs have further eroded relations between the U.S. and Israel. He intensified the rift—it is reported—by having his aides leak to the press that Obama refused to meet with him during his visit to the United Nations in New York last month. And yet the Israeli prime minister is not so foolish as to risk poisoning relations with Obama, who may be America’s president for the next four years, without cause.

The International Atomic Energy Agency says it has “serious concerns” that Iran has failed to resolve questions about the nature of its program, and its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment as demanded by the U.N. Security Council. Whether Iran is six months or six years away from being able to produce a bomb, it is closer than it has ever been. Irrespective of Obama’s reluctance to issue ultimatums, Israel’s “red line” on Iran is fast approaching.

“We’re running out of time,” says Jonathan Fine, a research fellow with the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya, Israel, and a former arms control adviser in the Israel Defense Forces. He spoke to Maclean’s in the midst of a Canadian speaking tour that was partially funded by the Israeli embassy. “Every day that goes by, more yellowcake is produced. The defence installations are getting deeper. And there is a point of no return when, whatever you do, unless you’re prepared to use unconventional weapons—and no one wants that—we can’t stop them.”

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is doing little to calm Israeli fears about Iranian intentions. In an August speech to mark al-Quds Day—an annual event begun in Iran in 1979 to show solidarity with Palestinians and to protest Israeli control of Jerusalem—Ahmadinejad told a rally in Tehran that “the Zionist regime and the Zionists are a cancerous tumour” and warned against “one cell of them” being left in Palestinian land in the future. The nations of the region, he added, will “soon finish off the usurper Zionists in the Palestinian land,” and a new Middle East will emerge with no trace of either Americans or Zionists.

“I think it’s very stupid to tell Jews that you want to exterminate them 65 years after Auschwitz,” says Fine. “They can get crazy also.”

Israel’s challenge in trying to push the U.S. to take a harder stance on Iran is that America believes it has more time than Israel thinks it does. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta estimates that if Iran decides to make a nuclear bomb, the United States would know about it and would have about a year to stop the process before such a weapon was ready. The U.S. believes it can afford to wait; Israel doesn’t.

Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak acknowledged as much in a public statement issued following a September meeting with James Winnefield, the U.S. vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: “We face a common challenge, but the clock is ticking at a different pace for each of us,” Barak said. The Israeli defence minister underlined Israel’s right to act independently, but he also made a point of reaffirming America’s position as Israel’s most important ally. “The intelligence co-operation and the military support are deep and exceptional in scope. I am sure that it will stay this way in any scenario that might happen,” he said.

Public exercises in bridge-building with America may indicate that Israel is willing to delay unilateral air strikes. But it doesn’t mean the military option has been shelved.

“The debate in Israel is not between war and peace,” says Mark Fitzpatrick, director of the Non-Proliferation and Disarmament Program at the International Institute of Strategic Studies in London. “It’s between war now and war later, war unilaterally or war with the United States.”

The drawbacks of a unilateral attack from an Israeli perspective are serious. Most importantly, it likely wouldn’t be as effective as a joint strike. Israeli has fewer planes, and with no aircraft carriers, they would have to cross foreign airspace before reaching Iran.

“They could probably do that once,” says Steven Pifer, director of the Arms Control Initiative at the Brookings Institution. The United States, with aircraft carriers that can be deployed in the Persian Gulf and military bases throughout the region, has the option of launching multiple sorties over many days, hitting deeply buried targets again and again. The U.S. could “use bombs to dig way down to the underground facilities in a way the Israelis couldn’t,” says Pifer.

But even a combined attack with the U.S. would have steep costs and questionable benefits. “They wouldn’t be destroying the program, because you can’t destroy knowledge. And Iran would try to reconstitute it,” says Pifer. Most analysts believe Iran’s program would be set back by only two or three years. And Iran has made it clear that it will respond to any attack against it. Its options include missile attacks against Israel; unleashing Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon, with their own arsenals of rockets; attempting to close the Straits of Hormuz, thereby constricting world oil supplies; global terrorism against Israeli and American targets; and strikes against American troops in Afghanistan.

Domestically in Iran, an attack would give the regime an external enemy to rally the country against, making it easier to portray dissidents as stooges of the same outside forces dropping bombs on its people. Vanishingly few Iranian democrats, even those who have been jailed and tortured by the Iranian government, condone military strikes against Iran. The regime, now weak and threatened by Iranians themselves, may emerge stronger from an air campaign against it.

But internal Iranian politics don’t much factor in Israeli calculations over whether to attack. “At the end of the day, Israel is working for an Israeli agenda, not an Iranian agenda,” says Fine. “The main thing is to stop the bomb.”

And according to Patrick Clawson, director of research at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Iran’s response may be limited: retaliation against the United States will provoke an even more serious American counter-response, he explains. Strikes and counter-strikes may escalate, but in the end, the United States and Israel can hit Iran harder than Iran can hit the United States and Israel.

Jonathan Fine describes a similar dynamic with Israel and the Iranian proxies on its doorstep. If Hamas and Hezbollah attack, he says, “the reaction toward Gaza and Lebanon will be overwhelmingly horrendous. It’s going to take them years to recover, if at all. And it’s been told. Hamas and Hezbollah know this very well. They know the ground rules.”

The problem with this argument is that it presumes rationality on the part of Iran and its Palestinian and Lebanese proxies—it takes as given that any response to Israeli air strikes on Iran will be limited because Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah fear Israeli reprisals.

This is essentially the principle of deterrence, the same strategy that contained the Soviet Union during the Cold War. But Netanyahu, for one, doesn’t believe Iran’s leadership is sufficiently rational to be deterred and contained the way the Soviet Union was. “Iran is very different. They put their zealotry above their survival,” he said in an interview with NBC. “I wouldn’t rely on their rationality. Since the advent of nuclear weapons, you had countries who had access to nuclear weapons who always made a careful calculation of costs and benefits. But Iran is guided by a leadership with unbelievable fanaticism. You want these fanatics to have nuclear weapons?”

If the Iranian government, despite its zealotry, is essentially rational, and can be contained and deterred the way the Soviet Union was, the argument for pre-emptive strikes against its nuclear program is weaker. Iran knows that Israel has its own nuclear stockpile, and would destroy Iran were Iran to use a nuclear weapon against it.

If, on the other hand, Netanyahu is correct, and the Iranian leadership is motivated more by its hatred of Israel and religious fanaticism than by a desire for self-preservation, its response to air strikes against it is unlikely to be restrained.

This all may be a moot point, though, for Israelis who believe that however horrible might be the repercussions of attacking Iran, they are less terrible than allowing Iran to go nuclear.

“Despite the disadvantages of bombing Iran and getting rid of a nuclear weapon, this is an existential issue for Israel,” says Fine. “And that comes before everything.”




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Israel and Iran: War now? Or war later?

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    • Down with fascsists like you!

      • Down with israel.

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  2. POOR PALESTINIAN PEOPLE . . .

  3. ISRAEL
    SHAME ON YOU . . .

  4. If it was possible for these pundits,( whose countries are not in a geographic position that Israel is, with respect to Iran), to trade places geographically with Israel, what then would their response be?

    Iran is calling the shots, Iran, knows full well, that there will be no red line drawn, this would mean a commitment, which no country wants to make. And so, Iran has played it’s cards right.

    When Iran does have the nuclear know how, then what? This is a crucial question that has been skirted by the UN.

    • @gornisht, Israel has started more wars with its neighbours than any arab country with Israel. And who is the aggressor in the region? To advocate that Israel is the David in your comment is utterly ludicrous. You also ignore the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons, how many, do you know? Who knows? Who knows if they would use them? They could use them without a care, because they’ve concentrated their Zionist and Jewish followers into one place. And that place is surrounded by arab muslims, christians and jews. Ahmadinejad is not targeting Judaism, which Zionists like to expand to Jews, because it’s convenient for their propaganda story. Rather he specifically is stating Zionism as the target, and this is like the world stating that the target of elimination is Nazism and Fascism. Zionism is a global threat. The ideology, the manifesto, the constant threat of war mongering, is what Zionism is about. It’s invasive and destructive. What you won’t hear about is that there are Iranian Jews. You won’t hear about that, because it doesn’t work well with the Zionist propaganda story.

      The crucial question that has been skirted by the UN is what nuclear arsenal does Israel have and when will they sign the NPT and permit IAEA inspections, and when will Israel abide by the UN resolutions 242 and 338 calling for the withdrawal of Israeli military from Palestine (West Bank and Gaza 1967 borders). Play by the same rules you hold other countries to, or suffer the consequences of the same games you play. Israel’s arrogance has become flagrant and exposed.

  5. These theatrics are solely about distracting the world while Israel aggressively expands illegal settlement outside its ‘borders’ (as if Israel has any borders), delivering the coups de grace to the two-state solution it purportedly supports.

    Netanyahu has been jumping up and down and spewing hysteria about Iran for TWENTY years. Israel HAS hundreds of ready to fly nukes, and Netanyahu’s insistence that Iran can’t have the same deterrent is pure hypocrisy. If he was truly concerned about a nuclear-free Middle East, he would offer to eliminate Irael’s nukes, THEN he might have a leg to stand on regarding Iran’s nuclear intentions.

    Moreover, Iran has signed NPT and permits IAEA inspections, while Israel arrogantly thumbs its nose at both. The impossibility of proving they don’t have the means is just a rerun of the Dubya-era WMD’s that weren’t. The fact this same fallacious argument is again being foisted on the public is an affront to every person capable of independent thought. Think about it: if I say to you “You have a purple feather” while you do not, how can you ‘prove’ you don’t have one hidden somewhere? It’s absurd.

    Last, Netanyahu’s claim that Iran’s religious ‘fanaticism’ makes it especially dangerous is utterly outrageous, coming from Israel, a nation with no separation of church and state.

    • Yosef is not the only high-ranking Rabbi with a dim view of non-Jews. On June 28, 2011, Haaretz published “Israel’s chief clergy decries arrest of top rabbi who called for killing gentiles”. The following quote resonates:

      ‘In an unusual step, Israel’s two chief rabbis, Yona Metzger and Shlomo Amar, yesterday released a joint statement decrying “the severe damage to the dignity of an important rabbi and rabbinic judge, one of Israel’s greatest rabbis.”‘ The offending rabbi (Lior) was amicably questioned and released, while, “[c]onsidering the sensitive nature of the issue, the final decision [on whether to punish the rabbi] would be made by Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein.”

      On May 29, 2012, Haaretz published “Israel’s AG closes probe into authors of allegedly racist book”, reporting Weinstein “…is closing the investigation of two revered West Bank rabbis who wrote a religious text, Torat Hamelech (The King’s Torah ), which argues there are times when Jews are allowed to kill gentiles who pose no physical threat of violence. The authors are rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur, while the text was endorsed by leading Chabad Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburg and Kiryat Arba Rabbi Dov Lior.” http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-s-ag-closes-probe-into-authors-of-allegedly-racist-book-1.433041

      And Israel is allowed to maintain an uninspected, not-so-secret nuclear arsenal, thumbing its nose at the IAEA and NPT why, exactly?

    • Though it never makes the news over here, Israel is AT LEAST as fanatical as any Islamic regime, the nation has no separation of church and state, AND they already have HUNDREDS OF NUKES.

      What does the Israeli PM REALLY think of the majority of Canadians and Americans?

      One need not look beyond the company he keeps.

      In an Oct. 16, 2010 sermon, spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef said:

      “Goyim [derogatory term for non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”

      According to Yosef:
      “With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for his Jew.” [Source: Haaretz, "ADL slams Shas spiritual leader for saying non-Jews 'were born to serve Jews', October 20, 2010. If Harretz is too 'Lefty' for you, to borrow from Israeli vernacular for those who would disagree with Netanyahu, the same quote can be easily found at the Jerusalem Post's site.]

      Here’s a subsequent photo of Bibi beaming with admiration of Yosef, taken February 23, 2011: http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/israelis-will-still-follow-ethnic-and-religious-divisions-in-upcoming-elections-1.427816 .

      President Peres attended this 2010 sermon, and the audience on hand voiced raucous approval of the Rabbi’s words. You can find Yosef in photos with every Israeli leader of note, including Bibi and Barak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4xMHVSZLyU

      This same man also openly advocated wiping out the Palestinians and the Iranians, perhaps in the next breath sermonizing about the Holocaust.

      If you require more recent confirmation of Netanyahu’s admiration of Yosef and the latter’s importance in the Iran decision-making, from a ‘righty’ source no less, look no further than the Jerusalem Post’s August 20, 2012 piece entitled ‘PMO seeking Ovadia Yosef’s support for Iran strike’. Here’s the URL: http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=281954

      • @Donny, it seems that those who disapproved of your post are doing so because you provide real independent evidence of Israel’s Zionist propaganda. The Zionist manifesto is at work and one of their strategies is to distract the audience by calling out their objections to actions of their “enemies”, which is actually what they are doing themselves. This is their deflection tactic. Used in whatever forum you find a Zionist non-Goyim. We have to be careful, because when they lose this deflection tactic in the face of facts, they become violent. Such is where terrorism was pioneered, from the heart of Zionist ideology.

  6. What does the Israeli PM REALLY think of the majority of Canadians and Americans?

    One need not look beyond the company he keeps.

    In an Oct. 16, 2010 sermon, spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef said:

    “Goyim [derogatory term for non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”

    According to Yosef:
    “With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for his Jew.” [Source: Haaretz, "ADL slams Shas spiritual leader for saying non-Jews 'were born to serve Jews', October 20, 2010. If Harretz is too 'Lefty' for you, to borrow from Israeli vernacular for those who would disagree with Netanyahu, the same quote can be easily found at the Jerusalem Post's site.]

    Here’s a subsequent photo of Bibi beaming with admiration of Yosef, taken February 23, 2011: http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/israelis-will-still-follow-ethnic-and-religious-divisions-in-upcoming-elections-1.427816 .

    President Peres attended this 2010 sermon, and the audience on hand voiced raucous approval of the Rabbi’s words. You can find Yosef in photos with every Israeli leader of note, including Bibi and Barak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4xMHVSZLyU

    This same man also openly advocated wiping out the Palestinians and the Iranians, perhaps in the next breath sermonizing about the Holocaust.

    If you require more recent confirmation of Netanyahu’s admiration of Yosef and the latter’s importance in the Iran decision-making, from a ‘righty’ source no less, look no further than the Jerusalem Post’s August 20, 2012 piece entitled ‘PMO seeking Ovadia Yosef’s support for Iran strike’. Here’s the URL: http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=281954

    • Vice president…

      Joe Biden – D

      US Senate…

      Michael Bennet – D
      Richard Blumenthal – D
      Barbara Boxer – D
      Benjamin Cardin – D
      Dianne Feinstein – D
      Al Franken – D
      Herb Kohl – D
      Frank Lautenberg – D
      Joseph Lieberman – D
      Carl Levin – D
      Bernard Sanders – D
      Charles Schumer – D
      Ron Wyden – D

      Supreme Court…

      Ruth Bader Ginsburg – D
      Stephen G. Breyer – D
      Elena Kagan – D

      House of Representatives

      Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
      Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
      Howard Berman (D-CA)
      David Cicilline (D-RI)
      Stephen Cohen (D-TN)
      Susan Davis (D-CA)
      Ted Deutch (D-FL)
      Eliot Engel (D-NY)
      Bob Filner (D-CA)
      Barney Frank (D-MA)
      Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ)
      Jane Harman (D-CA)
      Steve Israel (D-NY)
      Sander Levin (D-MI)
      Nita Lowey (D-NY)
      Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
      Jared Polis (D-CO)
      Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
      Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
      Adam Schiff (D-CA)
      Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
      Brad Sherman (D-CA)
      Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
      Henry Waxman (D-CA)
      Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
      John Yarmuth (D-KY)

      • Do you have the list of Republicans too? Weiner’s gone, remember?

          • There isn’t any … what, exactly?

          • You asked the question… ✡

          • Thanks for clarifying. You’re a racist prick, not unlike the venerable rabbis.

          • Fellatio is not a part of your Kosher diet rabbi…

            Judaism is a religion.

            Islam is a religion.

            Neither of them are a race.

          • Here is where you trip over your tongue. Tell about the DNA tests that prove the Russian and Brooklyn Jews are as Semitic as the indigenous Palestinians. It’s nice of you to show your true colours. Let all that bile flow on out…

          • Prejudice is prejudice. It does not matter what your bigotry is based on.

          • I was raised as a Buddhist, my only loyalty is to Shaolin…

          • “I was raised as a Buddhist, my only loyalty is to Shaolin…”
            Pfft, go back to your XBox.

          • Yes, the king cobra tattoo on my shaved head is a dead giveaway…

          • Too bad your Mommy makes you stick with those tattoos that come with your bubble gum. Maybe you can get a real one when you move out of her basement.

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          • I don’t care, you childish, bigoted twerp.

          • cry me a river and float away…

          • “I’m an orphan, you dumb jew phaggot…”
            I can’t imagine why your parents would want to abandon you. You’re so pleasant and enlightened…

      • I get it. So no matter who wins, it’s war in Iran.

        I’m moving to the dark side of the moon.

  7. Yosef is not the only highly ranking Rabbi with a dim view of non-Jews. On June 28, 2011, Haaretz published “Israel’s chief clergy decries arrest of top rabbi who called for killing gentiles”. The following quote resonates:

    ‘In an unusual step, Israel’s two chief rabbis, Yona Metzger and Shlomo Amar, yesterday released a joint statement decrying “the severe damage to the dignity of an important rabbi and rabbinic judge, one of Israel’s greatest rabbis.”‘ The offending rabbi (Lior) was amicably questioned and released, while, “[c]onsidering the sensitive nature of the issue, the final decision [on whether to punish the rabbi] would be made by Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein.”

    On May 29, 2012, Haaretz reported Weinstein “…is closing the investigation of two revered West Bank rabbis who wrote a religious text, Torat Hamelech (The King’s Torah ), which argues there are times when Jews are allowed to kill gentiles who pose no physical threat of violence. The authors are rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur, while the text was endorsed by leading Chabad Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburg and Kiryat Arba Rabbi Dov Lior.” http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-s-ag-closes-probe-into-authors-of-allegedly-racist-book-1.433041

    And Israel is allowed to maintain an uninspected, not-so-secret nuclear arsenal, thumbing its nose at the IAEA and NPT why, exactly?

      • Yes, let’s reverse EVERY declaration the UN ever made, all the way back to 1947. How’s that sound to you? Or do you prefer more of a cafeteria approach? You know, pick and choose what to ignore and what to honour? Democracy can be such an inconvenience.

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          • Winston, how cute, you spelled the F-word using a clever ‘ph’! Did your Mommy take away the cap over your keyboard’s ‘F’ key? Did she make you gargle with Irish Spring? Don’t run away now. I’m just getting warmed up.

          • You’re just getting warmed up?

            You’ll go blind doing that…

          • Who was behind the Lavon Affair?

          • I really don’t care, I think the 9-11 terrorists would have done us a favor by bringing down the UN building with EU and UN bureaucrats aboard…

          • Aw, I struck a nerve.

          • Like I said rabbi, fellatio is not a part of your Kosher diet…

            First you call me a jew hating anti-semite, then you call me a nazi-hater, will you call me a zionist next?

            Your life means less to me than that of a spring lamb…

          • Shouldn’t you give the rest of the ward a little computer time?

  8. Yea, I’ve thought of this; Israel has it’s own nukes; they can take care of themselves; why bring in the U.S.? They put themselves there; my solution is to deport the Israelies!

  9. for israel the probleme is very simple: they simply not can stop iranian programme !
    neither the US tought US can delay it more, at the end of the day iran will have the nucleaire deterrence.
    unless US are ready to invade, occupy iran for decades !

  10. How come every comment here is anti-Israel? Are only terrorists reading this article? It’s Canadian news, for crying out loud!

    • Based on your phrasing “Are only…”, I’m guessing you’re in Tel Aviv.

      Given you’re Israeli, AND you’re reading this article, the answer is YES, only terrorists are reading this article.

      Any other questions?

      • Vice president

        Joe Biden – D

        US Senate…

        Michael Bennet – D
        Richard Blumenthal – D
        Barbara Boxer – D
        Benjamin Cardin – D
        Dianne Feinstein – D
        Al Franken – D
        Herb Kohl – D
        Frank Lautenberg – D
        Joseph Lieberman – D
        Carl Levin – D
        Bernard Sanders – D
        Charles Schumer – D
        Ron Wyden – D

        Supreme Court…

        Ruth Bader Ginsburg – D
        Stephen G. Breyer – D
        Elena Kagan – D

        House of Representatives

        Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
        Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
        Howard Berman (D-CA)
        David Cicilline (D-RI)
        Stephen Cohen (D-TN)
        Susan Davis (D-CA)
        Ted Deutch (D-FL)
        Eliot Engel (D-NY)
        Bob Filner (D-CA)
        Barney Frank (D-MA)
        Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ)
        Jane Harman (D-CA)
        Steve Israel (D-NY)
        Sander Levin (D-MI)
        Nita Lowey (D-NY)
        Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
        Jared Polis (D-CO)
        Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
        Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
        Adam Schiff (D-CA)
        Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
        Brad Sherman (D-CA)
        Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
        Henry Waxman (D-CA)
        Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
        John Yarmuth (D-KY)

      • that’s right. Only people in Tel Aviv use those 2 words together in a sentence. I’m just wondering why only Ahmadinejad lovers comment on this article. Oh, that’s right – there’s no free speech in Iran, so the Tehran Daily News doesn’t let you comment on anything while you’re sitting in your cellar, bored, beating rats with a stick.

        No more questions.

        • “that’s right. Only people in Tel Aviv use those 2 words together in a sentence.”

          Sensitive! Am I to surmise you don’t like it when people draw asinine conclusions and make idiotic, sweeping generalizations based on flimsy or zero evidence?

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  12. Why is OUR news papers filled with Jewish problems, they took the Palestinian’s land, for better or for worse- whatever so the reason- they did it, blatantly and with disregard for any future turmoil it may have fermented. Let them reap the whirl wind for it, but don’t drag a decent country like ours to go solve their problems. They’re ALL barbarians in the middle east, ALL OF THEM, both the Arabs and the Jews, who are both ignorant groups pressing firm to thousand year old texts claiming God gave them some piece of land.

    Further from that, look at the impartiality of this article, Everyone interviewed in it is Jewish, no Iranians have been interviewed, and this news is suppose to be impartial and give Canadians an objective view of the crisis? Of course not. Because of the Holocaust the West is guilted by every cry and plea of these people, all the while they take a piss on the Palestinians’ heads each morning, and if they throw a stone back- they’re terrorists. Bomb Iran for all I care, the children of Ishmael will outnumber them soon enough, and they won’t need a nuclear bomb to make ends meet.

    • @George, it is your problem in the US because the Zionist propagandists and their fervent supporters run your government. Whether you like it or not, that’s the state of your country. Vote them out of congress if you feel they don’t represent your national interests.

      In terms of Arabs believing that their religious book is the basis for their claim to Palestine, you are misinformed. Clearly it is the view that the Zionists want westerners to believe. No muslim believes that the land they live on is given to them by their Allah. They do believe that if they are living on a piece of land that if threatened in their home, they have every right to defend themselves and their family against the aggressors. It is against Islam to initiate war or to aggress against someone else’s home. This you will never hear about in the western media, because it goes against the propaganda they try to impress upon your thoughts of muslims and arabs in general. The acts of a few extremists, which exists in every society, can not be construed as a behavior of the general population. Imagine what the world would think if this was the case, about Americans after the Columbine, or about Canadians after the Ecole Polytechnique incidents. It’s refreshing to see that there are westerners who can think for themselves and don’t buy into the biased western media and their propagandist Zionist influencers.

      Furthermore, there is a clear distinction between Jews and their religion of Judaism, which is not what arabs and muslims detest. It is Zionism and their ideology and manifesto that is threatening and vile. It is Zionism that is equatable to Nazism and Fascism. These are the threats to the world. Zionism uses relgion as a pretext for their destructive and violent/war promoting nature. It is Zionism and their early gangs that were imported from Europe to Palestine pre-1948 that pioneered terrorism. It is these gangs that massacred Palestinian villages and promote the Zionist manifesto of eliminating any trace of Palestinian claims to their land of Palestine. It still exists and another case of western media’s selective blindness, in not exposing this threat of a human genocide agenda.

      Here’s a perfect example of what Zionists will try to cover up, is that there are Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Christians, and Palestinian Muslims. These are Palestinians with a religion. Unlike the Zionists, which are extremists following the Jewish religion. Bibi (Netanyahu) grew up admiring these gangs. He is the next world pariah and needs to be stopped before he brings the world to a brink of world war III. Iran can talk whatever they want, they won’t and know they can’t do anything to destroy Israel, nor should the world allow it. But to think that they would initiate a war, they won’t do it. They didn’t do it against Iraq, since it was the US-backed Iraq that started the war with Iran, over nothing more than oil. It was convenient for Iraq and Iran to be in an elongated war to weaken their militaries, to give the Zionists an opportunity to weaken the path of their expansion towards the Euphrates in Iraq. It’s in their manifesto. The only country in their way is Jordan, and I’m still trying to figure out how they plan to undermine Jordan. They have done a great job with having Iraq destroyed in their interests, Iran is next, and then they’ll tackle the Jordanians, and finally the Palestinians which they have been doing with impunity for the past 64+ years.

      People are not comprehending how invasive and destructive Zionism is in the world.

  13. Guys you miss the point Iam an Australian,in Australia,,,and Iam for israels attack on Iran,we cant have a Government like that saying…Wipe Israel off the Earth..they have a right just as much as us to live in peace..and of course does Iran..but its quiet obvious that iran wants to strike Israel with nuclear weapons..you have to listen to the Leader of irans statements regarding Israel….and its very alarming…Of course we are peaceful country Australia and we love all nations but when we hear this sort of thing comming out of the middle East,we just say cant you guys live together in peace….remember one planet one earth..where else can we go to live..Mars…???? if that what it takes to rid the planet of ratbags so be it…but if they could make peace together than going to war much better..youve got to agree….

    • Consider what point you are missing. I am also an Australian, in Australia. BUT, I also have seen Israeli broadcasts (satellite tv) with members of the ultra religous party literally screaming that Israels territories MUST be restored to their historic boundaries. Never mind countries and territories as they currently stand, NOTHING less will do. They propose outright war and genocide as the only possible path.
      Given the power they currently hold within the Israeli government, and that Israel already has nuclear weapons, what would you say is the greatest threat to the vestiges of peace in that region?
      Don’t rely on a one sided media coverage on Australian news, go to the source.

    • Martin: Are you for China taking over Australia? You know China needs more land for its growing population. I think it would be fair if China just took over Australia like England took over Hong Kong. What comes around goes around. 24 million Aussies non’t need all that land that they have.

      And when China does decide to take your country away, will it be fair? Maybe you can ask a Palestinian if it is fair. Yet, right now you want to side with israel.

      Why?

      What makes israel so special that you are agreeing to a war that many people will die in? It makes no sense.

      Unless . . . .

      You must be a zionist. Because only zionists feel the way you do while the rest of the world hates israel and zionism. Now that the world know your’e a zionist, the world hates you, too.

  14. Michael Petrou is an excellent journalist. Writing about Israel, especially in the Canadian media, is tough. You have to give balance without any hint of rhetoric or bias, otherwise you are ripped to shreds.

    Israel has as many over-the-top zealots to select from that match the racist rhetoric ramblings of Ahmadinejad. You don’t hear so much about them in Canada.

    But Israel stands alone in the world and leads the league for hypocrisy — saying one thing and doing another. Cyber-warfare, covert assassinations of scientists, and the fact that it is a nuclear power, but refusing to acknowledge as much nor open itself to any kind of scrutiny or accountability.

    • “Israel stands alone in the league for “hypocrisy”.

      Oh really? Israel abides by the agreements they’ve signed–the Palestinian Arabs have never honored any kind of peace agreement–not even after Israel unilaterally left Gaza years ago, uprooting all the Jews who lived there.

      You see, in Israel, you can be an Arab and live and work, even serve in the Knesset, which some do, but if you’re caught ‘being Jewish’ in Gaza or Iran, you might as well bite that cyanide pill. It’d be faster and less painful.

      In case you hadn’t noticed, Israel is well known for having possessed nuclear weapons for decades, but even after having been attacked in three major wars by it’s ‘friendly’ Arab neighbors, it has never used them. Israel is a civilized country, unlike the surrounding countries, it is in fact the only democracy in the Mid-East.

      Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of Iran, their rulers Would actually use a nuke on Israel if they were allowed to make one–that is why they have to be stopped. Unless of course, you think Ahmadinejad and the merry mullahs are not the lunatic, fanatic jihadists that they are.

      They regularly say they will “Wipe Israel off the Map”, but you don’t believe them?

      • “Jewish and democratic state” is an oxymoron. Israel can stay “Jewish” or it can become a democracy. Pick one.

        You can be anything you want in Israel, including Arab, provided you know the deck will always be stacked against you, at least 4:1.

        Flogging the same old lies (e.g. Dan Meridor is on record admitting “Wipe Israel off the Map” is a bogus translation) does nothing for your cause, unless, of course, you are out to promote anti-Jewish sentiment. If the latter is your goal, you’re doing a fine job. If not, you might want to throw out all the boilerplate nonsense from the office of chief knuckle-dragger Lieberman, and his diminutive sock-puppet Ayalon.

        Have a little self-respect.

        • “‘Jewish and democratic state’ is an oxymoron. Israel can stay ‘Jewish’ or it can become a democracy. Pick one.”

          I’m not looking to be argumentative, but why? So long as the Jewish state is maintained as a secular state as opposed to a religious one, what would be the stumbling block preventing the two from existing co-harmoniously? Granted that we don’t have such a thing as a “true” democracy in the world yet (as opposed to what we see where I live or in the US which is a representative democracy, or a parliamentary monarchy or rather a sort of mish-mash between democracy and Plato’s Republic), but if people can become Christian Atheists it seems Democracy and having a certain national or racial identity wouldn’t be THAT tough to mix.

          That isn’t to say that’s what they have right now in Israel (which I’m admittedly not all that politically well versed in), but why would it be a direct impossibility?

          • “So long as the Jewish state is maintained as a secular state as opposed to a religious one, what would be the stumbling block preventing the two from existing co-harmoniously?”

            Do we really need to play ‘spot the false premise’? How can you possibly associate the word ‘secular’ with with a nation called “The Jewish State”, where immigration is limited to those who can prove their ‘Jewishness’ to a panel of rabbis, and any non-Jew who exits the country, even temporarily, often faces great difficulty, should they try to return? If you think Israel is secular, I suggest you read the posts below from Knudsen, about the Shas political party leader rabbi Ovadia Yosef. Don’t overlook the fact Israel has chief rabbis and rabbinic courts. In sum, there is no separation of church and state in Israel, as specified by Ben Gurion who said of Israel “I want her to hold religion in the palm of her hand”.

            I certainly don’t expect you to take my word for it…

            From the book, “The General’s Son”, by Miko Peled (the son of a key architect of the pre-emptive strike that marked the start of the 1967 Land Grab, Israeli General Matti Peled). Miko is a Jew raised in Israel, who lost a child to the endless cycle of violence. The late General Matti Peled opposed continuing the occupation – search for his speeches on YouTube. Find more on Miko’s blog, http://mikopeled.wordpress.com/category/the-generals-son-by-miko-peled/

            “The myth of Israel being a democracy is still being perpetuated even in light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. While Jewish Israelis over there and AIPAC over here like to think they are the only rightful citizens of their land and will argue that they live in a democracy, this is far from being true. Israel has been in control of the West Bank for over four decades and had built and invested heavily in the West Bank. But Palestinians who make up the vast majority of the population in the West Bank are excluded from any of it. In other words, 100% of the construction in the West Bank was done to bring Jews into the WB and exclude the close to 3 million Palestinians whose land this belongs to in the first place. 3 million Palestinians are left out, disenfranchised even as they see their lands taken, their homes destroyed and roads, malls, schools and gated communities being built for Jews only with no access to them or their families. Some democracy.”

            Excerpt below is from “The war’s seventh day”, written by Michael Ben-Yair, Attorney General of Israel from 1993-96. Published in the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, March 3, 2002 (emphasis added to call out the word “apartheid”, which appears in the original text as quoted.)

            “We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one – progressive, liberal – in Israel; and the other – cruel, injurious – in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an ***apartheid*** regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”

            “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization (sic), or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.”

            – Ariel Sharon, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

            “We must expel Arabs and take their places.”
            – David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985

            “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”
            – David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

            “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours…Everything we don’t grab will go to them.”
            – Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

          • You have been reading the Jew York Times too much.

            Chomsky makes all his jew millions off the markets like every other limousine leftist…

          • Vice president… ✡ Democrat Jews?

            Joe Biden – D

            US Senate…

            Michael Bennet – D
            Richard Blumenthal – D
            Barbara Boxer – D
            Benjamin Cardin – D
            Dianne Feinstein – D
            Al Franken – D
            Herb Kohl – D
            Frank Lautenberg – D
            Joseph Lieberman – D
            Carl Levin – D
            Bernard Sanders – D
            Charles Schumer – D
            Ron Wyden – D

            Supreme Court…

            Ruth Bader Ginsburg – D
            Stephen G. Breyer – D
            Elena Kagan – D

            House of Representatives

            Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
            Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
            Howard Berman (D-CA)
            David Cicilline (D-RI)
            Stephen Cohen (D-TN)
            Susan Davis (D-CA)
            Ted Deutch (D-FL)
            Eliot Engel (D-NY)
            Bob Filner (D-CA)
            Barney Frank (D-MA)
            Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ)
            Jane Harman (D-CA)
            Steve Israel (D-NY)
            Sander Levin (D-MI)
            Nita Lowey (D-NY)
            Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
            Jared Polis (D-CO)
            Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
            Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
            Adam Schiff (D-CA)
            Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
            Brad Sherman (D-CA)
            Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
            Henry Waxman (D-CA)
            Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
            John Yarmuth (D-KY)

        • Vice president… ✡ Jew and Democrat?

          Joe Biden – D

          US Senate…

          Michael Bennet – D
          Richard Blumenthal – D
          Barbara Boxer – D
          Benjamin Cardin – D
          Dianne Feinstein – D
          Al Franken – D
          Herb Kohl – D
          Frank Lautenberg – D
          Joseph Lieberman – D
          Carl Levin – D
          Bernard Sanders – D
          Charles Schumer – D
          Ron Wyden – D

          Supreme Court…

          Ruth Bader Ginsburg – D
          Stephen G. Breyer – D
          Elena Kagan – D

          House of Representatives

          Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
          Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
          Howard Berman (D-CA)
          David Cicilline (D-RI)
          Stephen Cohen (D-TN)
          Susan Davis (D-CA)
          Ted Deutch (D-FL)
          Eliot Engel (D-NY)
          Bob Filner (D-CA)
          Barney Frank (D-MA)
          Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ)
          Jane Harman (D-CA)
          Steve Israel (D-NY)
          Sander Levin (D-MI)
          Nita Lowey (D-NY)
          Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
          Jared Polis (D-CO)
          Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
          Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
          Adam Schiff (D-CA)
          Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
          Brad Sherman (D-CA)
          Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
          Henry Waxman (D-CA)
          Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
          John Yarmuth (D-KY)

          • Thanks for that info. Do you have a list of who is Baptist as well?

          • Nuking the Israelis also nukes the Palestinians…

            I just don’t see a problem here.

      • you should’ve gotten many vote ups by now so im surprised other people arent as logical as you are, or me; i totally agree with your comment

    • The following was referenced in a New York Times column
      by Roger Cohen (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/opinion/cohen-come-home-to-israel.html ).

      This is what “the Occupation” is like. Hebron is a Palestinian city in the occupied West Bank. The occupation has lasted 45 years, with no end in sight. The land has not been made part of Israel because maintaining the claim Israel is a democracy would mean giving the Palestinian majority voting rights, guaranteeing erosion of Israel’s ‘Jewishness’. So, the people who swear they will “never again” be forced into ghettos, somehow rationalize creating and running them.

      “The centre of [Hebron,] a city of 175,000 people has been utterly emptied… thanks to a policy the Israeli army calls “sterilisation” … for Hebron’s 800 Jewish settlers.

      …A map shows purple roads where no Palestinian cars are permitted, yellow roads where no Palestinian shops are allowed to open and red roads where no Palestinians are even allowed to walk. …Those unlucky enough to live on a red road have had their front doors sealed: they have to leave their own houses by a back door and climb out via a ladder. …Israelis can walk freely down streets that are barred to Palestinians, …the shuttered shops that have been covered with some of the most vile graffiti I have ever seen. The familiar “Death to the Arabs” is there, but so is “You have Arabs, you have mice,” the words covered up, but still legible. … Stars of David, daubed on Arab shopfronts and doors.

      …[M]y guide, Yehuda Shaul, … who served two long tours in Hebron and who now works with the Breaking the Silence movement … believes that Hebron simply reveals the reality of the occupation …”

      – by The Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland (a Jew). Jewish Chronicle of London, Nov-7-11.
      http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/57850/this-israel-not-one-i-love.

  15. This is crap caca propaganda.

    No one in my family or in my neighborhood wants to go fight a war with Iran because those nutty zionists in israel wants to be the only nuts in the Middle East to threaten their neighbors with war and nuclear strikes.

    Why should we Americans care if Iran has nuclear bombs. Heck, if I was Iran and israel was my neighbor, I would be armed to the teeth as israel is a nutty country always starting wars and killing innocent women and children.

    I don’t trust israel.

    As a matter of fact I think israel is our main threat and enemy. Didn’t they attack the USS Liberty and kill American sailors and got away with it with help from traitors in our government – those neocons who have dual American and israeli citizenshipts? Yeah, not many Americans know about the USS Liberty attack.

    Nahhh . . . if the zionists in israel want war, let them fight it by themselves. Let them pay for it, too. We’re broke. Americans have no money to throw away and our children shouldn’t have to die for a bunch of ex-communists from Russia who now live in israel.

    israel is not special, it is just another foreign country to me, like Finland. Not important.

    • So you think Israel is the “main threat and enemy” of the US. And I’m quite sure you love Iran. Perhaps you should move there. If anybody is nuts, that would be you. Got your white pointy hood ready for your trip? Oh wait, they’d kill you for that. On sight. Have a great flight!

      • perhaps you should move to Israel and stop being the petty wanderer that you are influencing us to go solve all your tedious problems with the Arabs, you’re no different from the Arabs, religiously stubborn- manifested from an inferiority complex, and use religion to justify and nullify aggressions against the other. Go live amongst them, but don’t beg Canada and America to solve your stupid problems.

    • The attack on the Liberty was 45 years ago, and they paid out nearly $7 million (1967 dollars) to the crews families as compensation – as they deemed it an accident. Not a good example for your argument.
      There are whackos both in Israel, and in Iran. One of these countries has a leader who uses inflammatory rhetoric that would make Hitler proud, and the other tries to spell out clearly why it is worried about the other. Both have committed acts in their history that many would find fault with, but name a country that hasn’t.
      I don’t know, but your statement about not worrying about whether or not Iran has nukes seems really dumb. I would think that if they could put one in a suitcase, they most definitely would . Don’t sign for any UPS deliveries from Iran!

      • In addition to the USS Liberty incident, The Lavon Affair is a ANOTHER example of Israel’s duplicity.

        For clear evidence people like ‘titanneil’ are not to be believed, see for yourself by visiting http://www.ussliberty.com or http://www.ussliberty.org. Note that these urls redirect to http://www.gtr5.com/. Attempts to keep the story under wraps continue, unabated.

        Here’s a link to the Chicago Tribune’s story on the Liberty:
        http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/eedition/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,3794785,full.story

        Listen to the USS Liberty’s Officer of the Deck, Veteran and Author James M. Ennes, Jr. . Ennes’ book is entitled “Assault on the Liberty”,
        http://townhall.com/talkradio/thenationaldefense/528732

        Consistent with the goal of the Lavon Affair (and possibly more contemporary parallels that emerging evidence continues to drive from ‘conspiracy theory’ toward ‘conspiracy fact’), it’s pretty clear at least part of the purpose was to sink the unarmed, Stars ‘n Stripes flying, Liberty in international waters and blame it on Egypt, drawing the US into war in the ME in 1967.

  16. The self-centered Israeli policy-makers overlook the likely collapse
    of the world oil supply as a result of their planned war against Iran.
    Do their Zionist agents in the US realize that as a result of dragging
    the US into Israel’s war, that the Iranian nation will be forced to set
    the Persian Gulf oilfields ablaze?

    How cheap has it become to ‘buy a war’ in the US? For a mere few
    million dollars in campaign contributions to corrupt politicians, and
    through the deliberate penetration of Israel-First agents, academics and
    politicians into the war-making machinery of the US government, and
    through the moral cowardice and self-censorship of leading critics,
    writers and journalists who refuse to name Israel and its agents as the
    key decision makers in our country’s Mid East policy, we head directly
    toward a war far beyond any regional military conflagration and toward
    the collapse of the world economy and the brutal impoverishment of
    hundreds of millions of people North and South, East and West.

  17. Wow, the israelis sure will have good old Mitt in their pocket don’t they. Expect a third republican caused war if Mitt the Twit and Lying Ryan get their way. Thank God that Obama will keep these idiots out of the white house.

  18. The only person who set him self for a dead line is Netanyahu.

  19. In a nuclear war between Iran and Israel, Israel loses due to the differences in size of territory.
    Additionally, no Israeli leader will ever use nuclear weapons (maybe a small tactical one), even if Israel is hit with one because of the moral considerations.

    • Great, then they should have no problem giving them up. Immediately. Right? Or are you just full of excrement?

  20. remove religion from politics, if you are religious keep your imaginary god at home, church, whatever. keep it away from lives of nations!!! we live to create not to be created!!!

    • Actually you are right and wrong. God created (no, not JC, but God) and then told man go and continue the job and build…read your bible…in hebrew preferably, old testament…

      • I think you’re missing his point Elie.

        • OK jazz so tell me what part i missed. The motivation of most of Israels enemies are religious in nature. I was just responding to skws last sentence thnx

      • Elie, in your vacuous, little challenge further down the page, you dehumanize Israel’s detractors, referring to us as “rats”, without regard to any fact-based arguments put forth that cast Israel in a light you deem unfavorable. And you lash out with words like “Jew Hater”, while above you blithely insult other faiths, not to mention those of us who believe blind belief, as articulated by you, for example, lies at the root of far too many of the world’s problems.

        Below, in response to ‘jazzdiver’, you state your belief “[t]he motivation of most of Israels enemies are [sic] religious in nature”. Though this simplification is entirely consistent with the Jewish State’s contention it is an “innocent victim”, it does not bear scrutiny.

        I, for one, have never been satisfied with the claim the Jewish people have been subjected to hatred for countless centuries through no fault of their own.

        In an Oct. 16, 2010 sermon, spiritual leader of Israel’s Shas political party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef said:

        “Goyim [derogatory term for non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”

        It turns out Yosef is not the only high-ranking Rabbi with a dim view of non-Jews. On June 28, 2011, Haaretz published “Israel’s chief clergy decries arrest of top rabbi who called for killing gentiles”. The following quote resonates:

        ‘In an unusual step, Israel’s two chief rabbis, Yona Metzger and Shlomo Amar, yesterday released a joint statement decrying “the severe damage to the dignity of an important rabbi and rabbinic judge, one of Israel’s greatest rabbis.”‘ The offending rabbi (Lior) was amicably questioned and released, while, “[c]onsidering the sensitive nature of the issue, the final decision [on whether to punish the rabbi] would be made by Attorney General [AG] Yehuda Weinstein.”

        A year later (May 29, 2012), with those behind the story apparently hoping everyone had forgotten about the incitement caused by the book in question, Haaretz published “Israel’s AG closes probe into authors of allegedly racist book”, “…a religious text, Torat Hamelech (The King’s Torah), which argues there are times when Jews are allowed to kill gentiles who pose no physical threat of violence.”
        http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-s-ag-closes-probe-into-authors-of-allegedly-racist-book-1.433041

        As backed up in earlier posts, with verifiable references and photos of the rabbis with key, Israeli leaders, you cannot credibly claim the 5 prominent rabbis behind these revelations are fringe aberrations, in the Jewish State.

        Based on this EVIDENCE, I ask you, at what point are we goyim permitted to express concern about people who adhere to such beliefs? Why isn’t OUR media informing us of these objectionable views? Are the people of Iran the real threat to our survival? Perhaps what you conveniently dismiss as ‘anti-Semitism’ has always been rooted in justifiable fear and the innate human desire for self-preservation, as opposed to the type of simple, baseless prejudice we should ALL vehemently eschew, Jews, Palestinians, and Iranians included, ALL as EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS. Or do you insist on clinging to the belief some are just a little more equal than the rest of us? If so, doesn’t that make YOU the bigot?

        • You are welcome to express your ‘concerns’, and I respect all peoples, and Goyim is not derogatory unless said a certain way, same as the word Jew. I teach my kids to respect all humans as created in the image of G-d. But you need to understand a few things,
          1] Israel will not lie down and die as you would like it to
          2] We Jews do not turn the other cheek, not in our books so dont be surprised when israel hits back after attacked.
          3] The arabs were fine for decades living under Turkish, British, Jordanian rule, but only when the Jews woke up (after what peace prize winning europe did to them), onlt then did they protest and suddenly there appeared a Balestinian people.

          Mark Twain wrote about visiting Israel in the late 1800′s it was desolate and barren. its a known fact that arabs began to move in only after the Jews began returning to thier land and needed and provided jobs to the itinerant arabs.

          Also i did not call you a rat, only the anti semites, unless of course you are one. And if jews are semites then in fact the land IS OUR LAND and we will not share it, just as the sons of ishmael have no intention of sharing either. Show me where arab leaders are preaching for a 2 state ?!! Its only the west that calls for 2 states and of course the naive Israeli Govt, parroting western values. Once we get true Jewish leadership in Israel then all its citizens will have peace and it will be good for both Jew and Arab, whoever wishes to live peacefully and prosper not this farce of a peace process of 20 years called bloody oslo.

          • So, anyone who bears prejudice toward Jews is a ‘rat’.

            What derogatory term applies to the rabbis?

            Perhaps you’ll listen to Eminent Israeli historian Avi Shlaim (a Jew, self-hating, I suppose) is a professor of International Relations at Oxford University. Watch this interview, to see you’ve been lied to:
            http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/14/leading_israeli_scholar_avi_shlaim_israel

            You’ve apparently bought into the “people without a land for a land without people” fairy tale. The fact is MILLIONS of people were hounded out of their homes and their villages were destroyed. Israeli censors have sought to suppress the facts. It has worked on you.

            Now a “Jew” from Russia or Brooklyn, who has never set foot in Israel or Palestine, has a THREE THOUSAND year old ‘right of return’, while a Palestinian family has no such right, after barely SIXTY years. I suppose that makes perfect sense to you.

            Reference:
            Excerpt from “Israel Bars Rabin From Relating ’48
            Eviction of Arabs”, by David K. Shipler, NY Times Oct. 23, 1979.

            “A censorship board composed of five Cabinet members prohibited
            former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin from including in his memoirs a
            first-person account of the expulsion of 50,000 Palestinian civilians from their homes near Tel Aviv during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war…

            A copy of [Rabin's] manuscript was provided to the New York Times by Peretz Kidron, who translated the book from Hebrew to English…

            the manuscript continues.
            “The population of Lod did not leave willingly. There was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning shots in order to make the inhabitants march the 10 to 15 miles to the point where they met up with the legion…

            Mr. Rabin’s account … described “a calculated Israeli policy“ to drive Arab residents from their homes, … many elderly people and small children died in the over-powering heat during the forced march…

            Many left in panic after the Israeli massacre at the village of Deir Yassin outside Jerusalem…

            There, contingents of the extremist Stern gang and Irgun attacked the village and lined men, women and children up against walls and shot them, according to Red Cross and British documentation.”
            _______________

            Your ignorance of Israel’s history is shocking. How encouraging that you are passing this hatred on to your children.

            Likud (Netanyahu’s party, founded by Begin, the butcher of Deir Yassin) MK Danny Danon and Knesset Deputy Speaker advocates ethnic cleansing and recites Likud’s true position on the “two-state” solution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPVTC9frqMA

            Another Lie:

            The Arabs started the ’67 War.

            The Facts:

            “In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”

            – Menachim Begin
            In an address by Prime Minister Begin at the National Defense College, 8 August 1982.

            “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”
            – Mordecai Bentov, a wartime member of the Israeli government, the Israeli newspaper Al-Hamishmar, 14 April 1971

            “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six-Days war, and we had never thought of such a possibility.”
            – General Haim Bar-Lev, Rabin’s predecessor as Israeli chief of staff, quoted in Ma’ariv, 4 April 1972.

            “There was never any danger of annihilation. This hypothesis has never been considered in any serious meeting.”
            – General Ezer Weizman, war-time Israeli Chief of Operations, a nephew of Chaim Weizman. Also quoted in Ma’ariv, 4 April 1972.

            “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on 14 May would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.”
            – Israeli Chief of Staff Rabin, Le Monde, 28 February 1968.

            If refusing to support Israel’s racist and brutal savagery or believe your nonsense makes me an anti-Semite, then rest assured I AM AN ANTI-SEMITE.

          • So in your opinion its only the rabbis who are preaching to kill the arabs or non Jews and call them low names but not the arab leaders. when you focus only on one side and blithely ignore the others calling a people pigs and dogs thats ok. ??

            I studied under rabbis all my life and we were NEVER taught to hate or look down on non Jews, in fact all humans are created In G-ds image and all humans have a share in the world to come if they follow the Noahide laws. I strongly suggest you spend time researching that subject.

            Judaism has too many laws and history to spend time on- to waste time on hating others.

            I have said that i do not support israels policies as they only whet the appetite of the surrounding nations that Israel will disappear.

            Guess what !! there will not be another holocaust…or maybe you believe that too is a fabrication….

            I am secure in knowing that whatever awaits me on the other side, it shouldnt be too bad… The rabbis also said ‘dont think the grave will be a sanctuary….’ Good advice to start repenting now…Save yourself !! JC wont be able to help you…

            I dont think i will continue this exchange further…good luck

          • You’re just making stuff up out of thin air. You are free to continue wallowing in ignorance and insulting people who refuse to join you.

            I have no need of your ‘luck’ or magical thinking, thank you very much.

          • On only one point I wish to clarify re the name ‘Goyim’. It is not a derogatory term, in fact the Jews are also called a nation, hence goy (nation in hebrew).

            For further edification you will surely enjoy the responses and clarifications to this and other issues you may have with the Israel/ Arab conflict.
            The author of this website can express them better than i :
            http://www.deprogramprogram.com/faqs-arab-israeli-conflict

  21. The Israeli’s are every bit as guilty as the Iran are for the situation in the middle-east.
    Why should they be allowed to have nuclear weapons?? Their leader is one of the most
    hypocritical persons in the world and possibly mentally imbalanced as well ( even his advisors are against any form of aggression).

  22. romney makes a foreigh policy speech..now this…. in the words of the immortal governor jesse the body ventura…..conspiracy theory????…..me thinks netanYAHOO needs mitt and vice-versa

  23. Iran may be homicidal, but they aren’t suicidle. They haven’t “attacked” anybody since 1790 or so. Why does anybody believe Israel’s crap anymore? They provoke, then cry foul when the “enemy” reacts. Just like that kid in school who sat behind you, poking you with his pencil. You swing around and hit him in response.. and he cries to the teacher. Nothing but sandbox polotics.

    • Yes israel provokes by existing…

  24. In addition to the USS Liberty incident, The Lavon Affair is a ANOTHER example of Israel’s duplicity.

    For clear evidence people like ‘titanneil’ are not to be believed, see for yourself by visiting http://www.ussliberty.com or http://www.ussliberty.org. Note that these urls redirect to http://www.gtr5.com/. Attempts to keep the story under wraps continue, unabated.

    Here’s a link to the Chicago Tribune’s story on the Liberty:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/eedition/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,3794785,full.story

    Listen to the USS Liberty’s Officer of the Deck, Veteran and Author James M. Ennes, Jr. . Ennes’ book is entitled “Assault on the Liberty”,
    http://townhall.com/talkradio/thenationaldefense/528732

    Consistent with the goal of the Lavon Affair (and possibly more contemporary parallels that emerging evidence continues to drive from ‘conspiracy theory’ toward ‘conspiracy fact’), it’s pretty clear at least part of the purpose was to sink the unarmed, Stars ‘n Stripes flying, Liberty in international waters and blame it on Egypt, drawing the US into war in the ME in 1967.

  25. Did I just hear Putin give his support to Iran in another article? Wow….America behind Isreal and Russia behind Iran with the rest of the world watching helpless??? This is a very expensive game of chess.
    Wake up!!!

  26. Wow all the Jew hating rats have come out of their holes. doesnt bother me at all. as a Jew I expect that its part of the world reality as G-d intended. after the grave theres a very warm place waiting for you creatures. Actually I am very critical of the state of Israel myself, but for different reasons. It is the obstacle for peace but also for different reasons. Once it stands up and starts behaving like a true Jewish state then it will have my praise…and that time will come soon enough…and now…for the feeding frenzy…..

  27. I have no doubt we’d have Armageddon if the Iranians were attacked by Israel and/or its western allies to disable their nuclear industry. That would be insane! The nuclear deterrent that saved us all during the Cold War, is always our best hope in this situation; mutually assured destruction is a great motivator to cool it. Regardless of whether the Iranian gov’t happens to be a tad radical, even the most idiotic regimes can conclude that nothing would be gained by nuking Israel so long as they are also getting hit. So, only ongoing diplomacy and perhaps sanctions, along with the existing nuclear deterrence, will prove out as the only sane paths through these times. We have to rely on sanity prevailing, if that fails and Iran is stupid enough to attack Israel, then they will certainly be nuked into oblivion and the whole thing would then probably escalate into the dreaded Armageddon. I just dont think the Iranian leadership are such a bunch of vapid morons. With the whole world ready to pounce on them if they strike Israel with nukes, I believe the sane position in Iran will prevail.

  28. Mr Netanyahoo plz answer the flwg:
    1. Why is the military option your 1st & only ‘solution’ to any problem with your neighbors?
    2. Why have you never responded or given due consideration Iran’s call for a ‘nuclear free mid-East’?
    3. What, in your opinion, prevented nuclear annihilation during the 46 year cold war?
    4. Do you really think you can prevent any country, that really wants nukes, from acquiring them forever?
    5. Before lecturing others; why don’t you at least declare the # of warheads in your arsenal?

  29. The war marks the end times as written in Revelation and other books.So let’s prepare for the coming of the Lord.

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