About that Hitler analogy


Last Tuesday, Conservative MP Larry Miller compared the long-gun registry to Hitler. He quickly apologized, but a day later he stood by the merits of his comparison. Irwin Cotler subsequently demanded he be sanctioned and so Larry Miller rose in the House this morning to once again clarify his Hitler analogy.

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, I believe that some members in this House and the media misunderstood the point I was making last week during debate when I argued that the confiscation of firearms is often the first thing that authoritarian governments do. While calls and e-mails of support from my constituents and from Canadians across the country indicated that they understood the point I was trying to make, and I do stand by my beliefs, but because of my respect for the House, I want to reiterate my withdrawal of the remark and apology for referencing two individuals in the way I did.


About that Hitler analogy

  1.  “I want to reiterate my withdrawal of the remark and apology…”

    Wha? That reads…funny.

    • Why? I think it’s perfectly accurate and truthful. Unintentionally so, even.

      edit: or do you mean it’s funny seeing a CPC MP be truthful? I suppose you may have a point there.

      • Perfectly accurate and truthful? The Nazi’s didn’t implement gun control, the Weimer Republic (Germany’s democracy) did to protect the government from being violently overthrown by…. Nazi’s and Communists. If anything using the comparison can only be expressed as irony.

        • Read the line MostlyCivil has quoted carefully.

          • Hmmm, I see what you did there. Apologies for my hasty assumptions.

  2. More non-apology apologies and refusal to accept responsibility for one’s actions from the Harper Government

  3. Good lord, what mealy-mouthed nonsense. I’ve had better apologies from my teen-age son. Why can’t politicians apologise to their constituents and peers the same way they would apologise to the ones they love?

    Mind you, as I read it again, it’s not REALLY an apology is it? 

  4. Shen-hsiu:

    The body is the bodhi tree
    The mind is like a bright mirror’s stand.
    At all times we must strive to polish it
    and must not let dust collect

  5. “I believe that some members in this House and the media misunderstood the point I was making last week during debate when I argued that the confiscation of firearms is often the first thing that authoritarian governments do.”

    This looks like one of those unassailable truths that get embedded into the very fabric of our collective mythology but is it in fact widely true? Did this happen in the 30s in Germany – registration then confiscation – i’m not sure?
    I suspect it is another one of those dime store opinions that libertarians use like security blankies to comfort themselves and bolster their conviction that the do-goodersof society want nothing more than to see them all in chains and armed only with pointed sticks.
    In any case equating registration of firearms with confiscation of them is moronic.

    Now i’ve probably started a minor flame war about how the cops came in and took away grandad’s shotgun all because he refused to register it.

  6. Every time someone makes a Hitler comparison they are always willfully ignorant if history. The Nazi’s didn’t implement gun registration, the Weimer Republic (Germany’s democracy) did to protect the government from being violently overthrown by…. Nazi’s and Communists. 

  7. Respecting ones opponents has no place in politics. 
    Why would you say that their gun registry was misguided and ineffective when you could say that the Liberals are really like Hitler, seizing guns to crush dissent and cement their grip on totalitarian power.

     Name calling when the debate is over and the motion carried is lowbrow at best, and a job for the plunger at the worst

  8. …and the registry didn’t even require guns to be seized, only that they be registered.

  9. Meanwhile.  this supposed freedom loving government is bringing in internet eavesdroppong which they don’t seem to want to talk about,  for some reason.

    • Bill C-10.

      • Being tabled tomorrow apparently.  Just want to go on record that I have nothing but respect and admiration for Prime Minister Stephen Harper…

        • Me too (but my fingers are crossed).

  10. I’m pretty sure that the first thing authoritarian governments do is take control of the press, historically.  The Cons are pretty far from that goal, so far, in that they only control Fox News North and the Sun chain.

  11. The chain of events leading to the Holocaust was punctuated
    by first the Weimar government putting in place the gun registry which the Nazi
    weapons act of 1928 used to confiscate arms from “anti-government” groups (Gypsies,
    Jews, Communists). Then these disarmed minorities were preyed upon. The chain
    of events in 20th century genocides is always the same – gun control
    laws then gun confiscation, then pogroms. It happened this way in Russia, Armenia,
    Germany, and China – anywhere totality assumes power and maintains that power
    by liquidating dissent.

    Each 20th century genocide has
    been preceded by major restrictive gun-control legislation that facilitated the
    confiscation of weapons from the targeted victims. Most gun-control laws are
    not specifically designed to facilitate genocide, although the Nazi weapons act
    does seem to have been passed with that goal in mind. The established patter from
    the last century is that radical regimes often come to power and most declare
    war against portions of their own populations, they used laws that had been
    passed by previous non radical regimes, ostensibly in the interests of crime
    control, to pave the way for civil disarmament which segways into their
    murderous political cleansing agendas.

    The civilian gun law the Liberals put into
    effect in 1992 puts in place everything needed for some future more
    authoritarian regime to confiscate all firearms – that is happening right now
    to a certain degree. Once a population is fully disarmed pogroms follow – this is
    the lesson of history which too many fail to learn or even take seriously. The
    argument follows that “oh that can never happen here”. Well, the phrase the war
    crimes judges heard from so many Germans at Nuremberg was “we never thought it
    could happen here”.  Only a fool ignores
    the bloodier lessons of history.

  12. Perhaps Cotler/Trudeau/Ray and the others should educate themselves

    Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)
    Classified guns for “sporting purposes”.

    All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.

    Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.

    Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.

    The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

    Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.To make this Canadian, you only have to remove the word nazis otherwise it’s EXACTLY the same law!http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html


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