Day 15 of 14 - Macleans.ca
 

Day 15 of 14


 

All parties are scheduled to return to the table to resume negotiations on Afghan detainee documents at 3:30pm this afternoon.

The Military Police Complaints Commission hearings, meanwhile, continue—with reports this week of wrangling between Foreign Affairs and National Defence, the firing of an Afghan official after a report of torture and disagreement over the circumstances of one detainee.


 

Day 15 of 14

  1. Wherry What do you think is going to happen? Day 24 of 14 … or will Cons get their way, whatever that may be …. or will Milken take charge?

  2. You know, Harper could just decide to ignore a contempt motion, and just bury the story over the recess week.

    • He could do that, as long as he doesn't mind having his Defense and Foreign Affairs Ministers in jail over the week, too. Being as we are talking about Stephen Harper, I am sure he would be ok with that.

      • I think Harper would drive Peter MacKay to the prison himself.

  3. On Power and Politics (May 11) we heard Kory Teneycke give the Conservatives talking points for next week after they refuse to release the documents. Kory said, "The Liberal speaker made a ruling which favours the Liberals." On the question of the supremacy of parliament: "The Liberal speaker has a radical opinion around that."

    • That's outrageous spin, all right, but we've seen before that the Conservatives are willing to say and do anything to get their way.

      Milliken was, if anything, too measured and solicitous in what was a blatant breach of privilege compounded by the additional insult of hiring a private lawyer to supplant parliament's role. If you want to read a "radical opinion" about the issue, read the contorted letter to the Afghanistan Committee clerk from the Asssistant Deputy Minister of Justice, who apparently thinks that parliament reports to government not the other way round.

    • There's surely no value in Tom Clark and Evan Solomon constantly interviewing the Teneycke's of the world. There's no real comment from uber-partisans.

    • They just don't get it, do they?

      • "Historian William Christian has observed that, in some ways, parliamentary democracy is what you can get away with." Norman Spector, Globe/Mail, May 12 2010

        I think they get it all too well. Until Speaker/Parliament take action, we will continue hearing that kind of nonsense.

        • I know. It's just the assumption that everyone else is equally as cynical, and equally a paritsan SOB to the core, as they are. I suppose it's no different than the way they think all judges operate (ideologues first, neutral legal scholars second). I suppose those with minimal honour and respect for certain institutions are disposed to assume those same institutions hold no honourable qualities worthy of respect.

          But just to be clear, I'm watching the opposition parties just as closely on this. I'm not sure they won't sell out the greater good to save their own skins. If that happens, I'd just as soon see the Speaker find the lot in contempt.

  4. The media needs to hold their feet to the fire on this one and not get distracted.

    • Surely we can all agree on that

    • Agreed. If they can't come up with an agreement that reasonably honours the task they've been charged with (as opposed to the opposition capitulating in the face of a possible election), I'd like to see the lot of them charged with contempt.

  5. What I'd like to know is how long will Iggy sit by and watch Harper tear down our democracy before he grows a pair and takes it to the electorate?

    Honestly, why isn't this settled yet? How complicated can it be?

    • Be careful what you wish for. Suppose this goes to an election, and suppose the Conservatives win a majority, or even hold their seats? There wouldn't be much to stop them, at that point.

      • Well let me put it this way, if the CPC win government after being ruled in contempt of parliament over the release of documents concerning their role in possible torture, and especially after proroguing twice in 12 months and otherwise undermining many aspects of our democracy, then frankly, we deserve what we get.

        I think fear of an election has allowed Harper too much latitude as it is.

        That said, an election would ensure one thing that bodes well for everyone: either Harper goes or Iggy does. Win win.

        And I say that knowing I will vote Liberal for only the second time in 20 years.

        • My concern with this is what do we do about any of this. I don't see voting Liberal as a solution. Frankly I see a pretty straight line from the behaviour of Chretien and Martin in office to what Harper is doing. This isn't in any way to defend Harper's behaviour (and as an aside I'm sick of partisans on both sides whining about what the other guy did in office as an excuse for their own side's actions). But it wouldn't shock me if the Liberals behaved in much the same way in the same situation so voting for them instead of the Conservatives does not seem a good way to encourage a stronger parliament.

        • "That said, an election would ensure one thing that bodes well for everyone: either Harper goes or Iggy does. Win win."

          Hard to argue with that.

  6. The "14" is an artificial construct anyways. "Parliament is supreme, but, please everyone, not now, ok?" Suspend Parliamentary supremacy for one day, and it gets easy to do so for fourteen days, 180 days, whatever.