Dept. of awesomely faint praise


“Biden did fine: He didn’t say anything bizarre, and there doesn’t appear to be a need for any retractions or apologies.”

— Ed Rogers, former Reagan staffer, on the debate some of us missed last night. Full roundup of reactions from assorted bigshots here.

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Dept. of awesomely faint praise

  1. Also interesting is how different the Canadian and American debates were

    It’s like for one evening Canadians and Americans switched places. We had an engaging, aggressive, uncompromising format where the issues and the people came out. The Americans candidates were forced to be polite and thus passive aggressive. Or perhaps there was no switch… it really was like hockey versus baseball. One’s a contact sport, the other isn’t. I just never thought I’d say that about our respective politics.

  2. I think the big difference is that all of our leaders can be counted on to deliver reasonably cogent points and draw on their knowledge to answer a variety of questions, whereas one of the American debaters last night had the much more modest goal of “don’t seem dumber than a moose”.

  3. Palin was awesome. MSM set low expectations, which she easily surpassed, and now we are getting the meme that vp debates don’t matter(I agree).

    Palin kicked Biden’s butt on Afghanistan and energy policies while Biden landed no serious punches. Biden is a convincing b.s.’er, which ain’t nothing I’ll agree, but people can see he’s a puffed up buffoon.

    Palin set herself up for 2012 run for president because all people will remember of her is convention speech and last night’s debate. Obama wins this election, people will hate him in 4 years due to the recession that’s coming combined with Obama’s extreme left wing views, and Palin reappears in 4 years with her folksy ways and her ‘elites are clowns/crooks’ message. Game, set and match for Palin.

    Palin For Pres in 2012!

  4. jwl… please, please, give your head a shake. That’s just NUTS!

  5. Er, “MSM” didn’t set low expectations, the Republican party did because they knew Palin couldn’t meet even quite modest expectations of a person running to be VP.

    I think it’s brave of you to expect that all people will remember is her convention speech and the debate. I think, by 2012, the only thing about Palin that will remain are Tina Fey’s impressions of her.

  6. jwl,

    Your baffling admiration for Palin aside, would you mind explaining how Obama’s views are “extreme left wing”?

  7. Sean S

    I don’t know where to start. Look at his friends and colleagues: Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, William Ayers, Saul Alinsky and Michael Pfleger.

    Look to his years as a ‘community organizer’, his ties with ACORN, Black Liberation Theology, his attempts to get the State involved in quieting his critics, his love of false consciousness arguments, Annenberg Challenge, against the Born Alive Act, tax rich to pay for government programs, has most ‘lib’ voting record in Senate, $750 million in earmarks in 3 years.

    The list is endless. Obama is trying to paint himself as a moderate and the msm are helping him instead of trying to restore their credibility with the public.

  8. jwl,

    stop looking at her “assets” and listen to her speak. She was asked by some CBS news hack if she could name one Supreme Court decision, other than Roe v. Wade that she disagreed with …… she named … are you ready …. Roe v. Wade!!!!!!
    She couldn’t remember 4 months back when the court ruled against the Alaskan fishermen v. Exxon when their compensation package was reduced by 80%. 4 freaking months …. she issued a statement, as Gov. of Alaska, citing her disappointment with the decision!!
    Is she losing her ability to remember due to her proximity to ‘ole man McCain??? What is wrong with her?

  9. and don’t play the gotcha journalism card … this was in her backyard.

  10. jwl,

    Fair argument regarding Obama’s associations over the years. I don’t think I’d describe his platform as extreme left, though.

    One thing I will note as a shortcoming in American presidential politics is that aside from the VP running mate, the focus is rather overwhelmingly on the individual candidate. The individuals who will eventually fill the various cabinet posts and advisory positions are not on the table. (It’s something I see as a benefit to our party system – you get a sense of the “team” who might be running the show).

    I guess the question is whether Obama’s past/current associations reflect the true nature of his aims, or if they are secondary to his platform?

  11. Haha, this is getting ridiculous. Hey did you know that, one time, Obama went to a football game, and the Falcons were playing, and Michael Vick is in prison now for running a dogfighting ring? Therefore, Obama supports dogfighting.

    Also, he’s been known to watch 24, a show dealing with counter-terrorism. Therefore, he is a terrorist.

    Let’s just ask ourselves for a second why McCain isn’t bringing up Rev. Wright every chance he gets? Could it be because he knows it’ll get no play? Or, could it be that if we start playing the “unsavoury associations” game, McCain will end up looking far, *far* worse than he already does – Reverend Hagee anyone?

    This election will be remembered not just for the Obama landslide, but for the sad and tragic way in which John McCain prostituted every single one of his beliefs and sold out every single one of his principles in order to win. I had respect for him, once.

  12. Sean S

    I think his so far successful attempt to paint himself as a moderate is what should be questioned. Looking to his record before he entered politics, when he would have started to worry about the ‘optics’ of his positions, is a good way to discover what his true beliefs are. Obama is as left wing as I am right wing, so maybe it takes an extremist to recognize another extremist?

    I agree there is way too much focus on president, one person. I have never understood why Americans focus so much on pres when his powers, domestically at least, are quite limited. Congress is way more influential within the U.S. than the pres is. Unveiling their team before election sounds interesting, not sure why they don’t do that.

    Nota Bene

    I agree that Palin could have answered Couric better but it’s irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

    Are you an Obama fan/supporter?

    If you are, why don’t these statements bother you and why aren’t you asking ‘what’s wrong with him’:

    “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go”

    “I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps”

    “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed”

    “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”

    “We only have a certain number of them (translators), and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.”

  13. LOL….I think the difference is, if you asked Obama, Senator, how many States in the United States of America, he’d answer correctly.

    IF, however, you were to ask Senator McCain, Senator, which country is Prague the capital of? Or else, Senator, which continent is Spain part of?

    I’m not so certain you’d get the correct response. Well, not unless Sarah Palin was giving him the answers.

  14. Ed Rollins, shurely?

  15. jwl,

    you missed the one where he didn’t know where Kentucky was in relation to Illinois!

  16. If they nominated a dog who was anti-abortion, jwl would now be giving us all the reasons why that dog is more coherent than Joe Biden.

  17. chuckercanuck

    Obama can’t talk without teleprompter and his list of ‘mis-statements’ could make a decent sized book.

    I like that one too but I had to stop somewhere :)

  18. I think the GOP wishes they’d nominated a dog instead of Sarah Palin. I mean, you can train a dog to bark on command, just like you can train Sarah to say “Ahmadinejad” on command. And as an upside, the dog would probably have more foreign policy experience.

  19. when said CBS hack asked Sarah Palin “what newspapers and magazines do you read?” her response was “all of them”.

    that is an ability that impressed me …. that and her ability to see Russia from her window…

    no. I am not an Obama supporter ….. as a Canadian I am only looking at who will do the least amount of damage to me.

  20. jwl is correct in his analysis. As to Mr. Obama being extreme left-wing…most liberal voting record in the Senate during his tenure. Most of which he has been running for President. Even more liberal than his record in the Illinois state legislature…there he voted ‘present’ more than 150 times.

  21. Obama may be the American version of liberal, but he ain’t left wing by any standards.

  22. “jwl is correct in his analysis.”

    about what, Paul …. how Palin was awesome???? how she kicked Biden’s butt???? ROTFLMAO

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