Disloyal Opposition


Gilles Duceppe continues to kick ass in Canadian politics. If the other guys were half as energized about this and a fifth as eloquent, we’d have ourselves an election.

“It’s an extreme policy to leave children in prison at age 14 and possibly for life,”’ Duceppe said, pointing out that under Harper’s plan young offenders would be in the regular adult prison population.
“It is the university of crime,” he said. “That’s a great diploma.


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  1. He’s good indeed. If only he would use his powers for good and not evil…

  2. I really hope “kicking ass” is meant to be ironic, given the tired old abolitionist-crim theory talking points.

    That aside, isn’t it curious how Duceppe has basically claimed that Conservative policies are pro-underage prison rape, and he’s received almost none of the blowback that the “Paul Martin supports child porn” debacle caused for Harper? Funny, that.

  3. Probably because that’s not at all what he’s claimed. He hasn’t said they’re “pro” anything, just that they’re an example of someone who didn’t think it through, and the consequences are not good.

    But you go ahead and keep trying to put words in other people’s mouths. That’s what Harper’s conservatives seem to know best.

  4. Sorry, Thwim; use of the phrase “young meat” is too crude to support your theory. That’s some good old-fashioned sexual panic he’s trying to sell there. Thanks for playing, though.

  5. Oh please Denton. After the Puffin stunt and all of the other insults Harper and his cronies have thrown at the Opposition (taliban lover to name but one), his so-called outrage is a bit rich, don’t you think?

  6. Oh please Paul. After the Puffin stunt and all of the other insults Harper and his cronies have thrown at the Opposition (taliban lover to name but one), his so-called outrage is a bit rich, don’t you think?

  7. ???

  8. I believe it was “fresh meat” but I’m not sure about the translation.

    However, are you suggesting that rape does not happen in prison, and that younger boys would not be especially likely targets of it?

  9. Fresh meat or cold cuts, whatever. Gilles is getting sweater boy all riled up. Good.

  10. Gilles Duceppe runs circles around all four of his opponents when it comes to pointed imaging that reaches people. It really IS too bad he’s not a federalist (for we who are not nationalists).

    And I agree with boudica–Paul Denton missed his grounding in simple wisdom, e.g., pot-kettle. I think most Canadians who pay attention see Harpers faux outrage for what it is.

  11. All I can say is, thank God Harper raised the age of consent.

  12. Love Duceppe. What did Don Cherry say? “I wish him all the best in what he’s trying to do”. Ha.

    Duceppe has a way of delivering lines with a cool sneer.

    But, does he remind anyone else of Sideshow Bob? Is that just me?

  13. According to the Manitoba Department of Justice, of the criminal youths convicted between April and June 2006….

    * 100 percent of those who went to jail committed new crimes within 2 years;

    * 90 percent of those sentenced to “open custody” (the cutesy term that means they live in groups homes or other residential facilities while they’re supposed to go to school committed new crimes within 2 years; and

    * 80 percent of those sentenced to probation committed new crimes within 2 years.

    Nothing to see here. The justice system we have now seems to be working marvelously.

  14. Two month time span? No chance of cherrypicking, eh? Also, how many offenders are we talking about Brian?

  15. Its actually a study of youths convicted in a three month time span, conducted by the Manitoba Department of Justice.

    Any accusations of cherry-picking should be directed to the Manitoba NDP government — who now support tougher sentences for youth and changes to the Young Offenders Act.

    Thats right people. The only NDP government in Canada supports Stephen Harper’s moves in getting tougher on crime. You won’t see that on a Your Turn segment on the CBC though…nope.

    Why would the CBC interview an NDP government that is at odds with their federal cousins, when you can easily just interview another professor of criminology who repeats the same old “poverty is the root problem” mantra and “tougher sentences just don’t work” without offering any evidence.

  16. NDP Justice Minister Chomiak:

    “One of the reasons that those people are in prison and one of the reasons that the rate of auto theft is down 50 percent, Mr. Speaker, is because we’re putting those children back in prison, and if members would support us in our revision to the Young Offenders Act, we could get them in there on the first offence and keep them off the street.”


    “Mr. Speaker, under the federal legislation, under the federal Young Offenders Act, you can’t keep people in jail in most cases longer than two years. So, when the member supports our change to Ottawa to make sentences longer, we’ll be happy.”

  17. Also..

    Manitoba’s NDP Justice Minister Dave Chomiak said he supports the federal Tory plan, especially the proposal to put deterrence and denunciation into youth laws as sentencing principles.

    “We agree with that,” he said. “We have recommended that for some time.”
    Chomiak said he even “disagrees with his federal NDP cousins — who are opposed to making deterrence a sentencing principle in the YCJA — on the issue.”

  18. Don’t know what I think about all this, but surely toughening up the YOA and putting 14-year-old boys in adult prison are two separate issues.

    Well, I do know that I think putting 14-year-old boys in adult prison is barbaric. But I don’t know what I think of toughening up the YOA. People under 18 are not very mindful of the future, generally, so I doubt deterrence is possible. If there was ever a case for social problems as conduits to crime, under-18’s is it.

    Seems to me the justice system needs a lot more money, to reduce the outrageous trial delays, and we need more protection for witnesses. If sentencing is very light, it does mean that fewer witnesses are willing to risk themselves to testify. I sure wouldn’t, if I thought a major felon, convicted on my testimony, was going to get parole for a 1st offense.

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