Don’t call it a doctrine (II)


John Baird dismisses a Palestinian bid to have statehood recognized by the United Nations.

“We think it’s distinctly unhelpful to seek a public-relations declaration within the UN General Assembly. Obviously, it would be without any meaning,” Baird said Monday … “We believe that statehood should be the product of a negotiated permanent peace with security for both the Palestinian and Israeli people.”

He said he’d be thrilled to welcome a new Palestinian state, but only after peaceful negotiations with Israel. Baird also affirmed the Harper government’s unwavering support for the Jewish state, which has sparked criticism in the past. “Canada has taken strong, principled stands with respect to supporting liberal democracies, and with respect to this issue,” he said. “There has been certainly a change under the leadership of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and I certainly wouldn’t see us changing on that regard.”


Don’t call it a doctrine (II)

  1. And in his recent interview with Kenneth Whyte of this magazine Harper said “We all recognize there has to be a two-state solution”

    Now apparently Baird has moved the goalposts…we’ll only accept a certain kind of two-state solution.

    Luckily Palestine doesn’t need our approval.

    • A two-state solution where one of the states doesn’t end up having it as Article I of their constitution that the other one must be destroyed, maybe. That would be nice.

      • As opposed to now?

        See, one side doesn’t have a state…and it wants one….so the fighting will go on until a solution is imposed and upheld.

        • Thank heavens Canada’s Likud-loving government has no real say in the matter. It’s up to Obama to force the current government of Israel to start acting like a modern democracy. 

          • Yes, this ‘peaceful negotiation’ stuff is just a delaying action while Israel nibbles away at what’s left of Palestine.

          • Israel is a modern democracy, surrounded by medieval tribalism. Thankfully, it doesn’t defer to Obama’s misunderstanding of that fact.

          • Israel is a militant theocracy, and as medieval as the countries around it.

            Obama’s position on Israel is no different than Dubyas

          • Fact free, once again.

            Thanks for laugh, Colbert Report.

            “Israel is a militant theocracy, and as medieval as the countries around it.”

            Israel is in fact the only country that is not an apartheid state. Most of the Arab countries of the Middle East exclude Palestinians, which is why the Palestinian refugee camps are still filled 63 years after the 1948 war.There were 800,000 Jewish refugees from Arab states as a result of that war, but they have all been re-settled in Israel. 

            The head of the Palestine Authority has said no Jews will be allowed to live in the Palestinian West Bank. But there are more than a million Muslim Arabs who are citizens of Israel with more rights than the Arabs of any Arab state.

             Israel is the only place in the Middle East where an Arab who is gay can live without fear, and the only place where he can march in a Gay Pride parade. There are 57 Muslim countries but not one in which gays can hold gay pride parade. 

            Calling Israel an apartheid state when the reality is as starkly opposite as this can have only one purpose: to inflame the ignorant and the fanatic and incite them to destroy the Jewish State.


            “Obama’s position on Israel is no different than Dubyas”

            In order to mitigate this risk, President George W. Bush gave a written commitment that America supported Israel absorbing major settlement blocs in any peace agreement, opposed any return to the 1967 lines and stood firm against the so-called Palestinian right of return to Israel.

            For 21 / 2 years, the Obama administration has refused to recognize and reaffirm these assurances. Then last week in his State Department speech, President Obama definitively trashed them. He declared that the Arab-Israeli conflict should indeed be resolved along “the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps.”


          • @Tony_Adams:disqus 

            Tony either keep up, or find a new hobby.

          • TorStar – July 2011
            Isn’t it odd how stories about Muslim school prayers now being conducted at Valley Park Middle School in Don Mills are all about religion making its way into public schools? 

            I don’t discuss religion, ever. Feminism is my credo, and my eye was instantly drawn to the fact that girls are placed in the back, behind the boys, separated by benches used as shields.

            And menstruating girls are segregated, off in their own little group, like this paragraph.

            Stigmatized, bleeding mysteriously and bewildered by maternal instructions, these girls are not allowed to pray (I am told other religions require this as well). 

            You can see them in the Star’s photograph, the boys at the front, the girls hidden behind, flattened in prayer, and the girls with periods sitting cross-legged or kneeling.

          • @Tony_Adams:disqus 

            The Bible, in the fifteenth chapter of Leviticus, verses nineteen through thirty, describes how a menstruating woman is to be regarded as ritually unclean. The taboo is so great that not only the woman herself suffers uncleanness, but even “anyone who touches her will be unclean until evening” Some scholars believe that the Christian teachings of this Taboo has fueled the prohibition of women as priests in the Catholic Church. They cite that church law has maintained this prohibition due to “ritual uncleanness.”

          • People are free to practice their religion in private as they see fit. I believe in one God – deist – but not Jesus. 

            Enlightenment – separation of Church and State. It is good thing when Church and State are not mixed.

            I find many religions to be offensive for multiple reasons and, as just one example, muslims are misogynists. 

            Liberal State has to make liberal ideas appealing and State is not going to attract many muslim females by allowing their subjugation. State can’t stop muslims, and others, from mistreating females within their homes but it can do something about it in public sphere. 

            We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights;

  2. What Baird is saying (“…only after peaceful negotiations with Israel”) is that only one side of the conflict should get a say in the the final peace treaty.  The Palestinian Authority must accept all of Israel’s terms with no terms of their own allowed in (no reference to the 1967 borders, no right of return or compensation for refugee families, etc.).  That “winner-dictate-all” attitude has always worked out well for world security (see Republic, Weimar).

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