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Exclusive: The Liberal plan to respond to the Harper ads

Will the negative campaign help galvanize fundraising?


 

Exclusive: The Liberal plan to respond to the Harper adsThe Conservative advertising campaign against Michael Ignatieff has spurred the federal Liberals to sharply accelerate their fundraising activity so they can pay for a “focused response to the personal attacks” on the new leader, Maclean’s has learned.

The Liberals are rushing ahead with a major change to the party’s organization, which only two weeks ago they had planned for the autumn, so they can be ready for a much more robust summer of activity. Emergency meetings of the Liberals’ various governing bodies are underway, with more planned for next week. The goal: a $25 million annual war chest and a vastly expanded grassroots organization to pay for it.

On Saturday, May 9 — four days before the ads began airing — the Liberals’ new party president, Toronto lawyer Alfred Apps, and Rocco Rossi, who as the party’s executive director is in charge of fundraising, met Ignatieff to settle on a two-year strategic plan for the party. The plan’s emphasis was to “dramatically” increase private donations to the party by “significantly” expanding the part of the party’s organization that deals with fundraising.

A not-insignificant benefit of the changes would be “reducing the vulnerability associated with our reliance/ dependency upon the public subsidy of our operations and activities,” Apps wrote in a memo to Liberal riding association presidents.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper targeted public subsidies of political parties in last autumn’s economic and fiscal update, which led directly to the confidence crisis that forced Harper to seek the proroguation of Parliament to keep his job. Harper has told interviewers he still intends to cut public funding of political parties if he wins re-election. Because of longstanding weakness in attracting small private donors, the Liberal Party has, in recent years, been uniquely dependent on the public subsidy.

In his memo to riding presidents, Apps reports that he planned to get approval for structural changes and a new fundraising approach, based on “the possibilities that modern technologies and communication methods open up,” over the summer.

But that was before the Conservatives announced an ambitious nationwide ad buy, which portrays Ignatieff as a carpetbagger who is “just visiting” after 34 years abroad.

“I believe the advertising campaign undertaken by our opponents last week has created the opportunity to galvanize the entire Party around a reinvigorated fundraising effort now, even before the summer commences,” Apps writes.

So on May 18, five days after the Conservative ads started running, Apps held a special meeting of the Liberals’ National Management Committee, which agreed to move the implementation of the fundraising plan forward from Sept. 1 to June 1. A resolution passed at the management committee meeting says hurrying ahead with the fundraising changes will allow “a constructive, comprehensive and focused response to the personal attacks on [the party’s] Leader by instead addressing the Harper Conservatives’ failed approach to the economic crisis and refusal to adopt the Liberal EI plan.”

The resolution must be endorsed by the Liberals’ Council of the Presidents, which comprises riding-association presidents from more than 300 ridings across the country. Apps has convened a conference call for that purpose on May 28, next Thursday.

  • The fundraising plan is extraordinarily ambitious. The Liberals would seek, within a year, to nearly quintuple the party’s revenues from private donations over the 2008 level. The new goal: an annual war chest of $25 million, built on a massively increased pool of donors who, in most cases, agree to give at least annually, and often several times per year. Three mechanisms will be used for this objective:Membership in the Laurier Club, which is for people who contribute the maximum of $1,100 a year to the party, would be more than tripled to 10,000 members. A Leaders’ Circle will be created, with at least one member in every community in Canada with more than 50,000 people, to sign up new Laurier Club members.
  • The Victory Fund, a more broad-based group of Liberal supporters who authorize monthly donations of $10, would get a major push with the goal of an eight-fold increase to 25,000 members within a year.
  • Finally, the party would “make use of direct mail, telemarketing and established online/social media techniques to reach out to the millions of actual and potential Liberal supporters and sympathizers across Canada,” with the goal of raising $10,000,000 a year in small, one-off donations.

To say the least, it is not clear the Liberals can meet such ambitious targets. If they do, it will be in no small part due to the galvanizing influence the Conservative ad campaign has had on Liberals.


 

Exclusive: The Liberal plan to respond to the Harper ads

  1. Hey…….If the Liberals can raise money from willing donors it will be a HUGE improvement over their previous strategy of simply pilfering the public treasury.

    I wish them luck.

  2. Every time the conservatives attempt to pre emptily squash the Liberals it backfires. Last winters crisis only accentuated the need to move on the leadership question. This springs attack ads are doing the same with fund raising.

    What would the Liberals do without these Conservatives helping them move forward in a most expedient way?

  3. I might actually be fed up enough with Harper to start donating. This ad campaign makes the need clearer.

  4. Last I heard, the CPC was quite happily accepting the public subsidy, as well. Nevermind that the subsidy is a good thing.

  5. What have the Libs been doing up to now? Funding laws were changed years ago and they are just getting 'round to introducing some policies that might raise some money. I hope this latest campaign is a success, tho, because I would love to see dueling attack ads. Scoundrel! Shyster! Knave! Un-Canadian! Bring it on.

    And I am curious to see whether the increased fund-raising totals will last over time. It seems to me that many Libs got quite comfortable with Government giving money to a variety of orgs and companies and then having those firms 'donate' money to party. Now that they are compelled to use their own money I wonder how Libs will respond.

  6. "To say the least, it is not clear the Liberals can meet such ambitious targets. If they do, it will be in no small part due to the galvanizing influence the Conservative ad campaign has had on Liberals."

    It might work. Once again, Harper ill-conceived attack plan may only result in further strengthening his opponent.

    So much for galvanizing your troops around a solid vision for your country.

  7. Funny comments from a Liberal troll.

  8. "What would the Liberals do without these Conservatives helping them move forward in a most expedient way?"

    It is a virtuous circle. Wait till you see Con coffers once Libs start running attack ads.

  9. If this is true, it's about time. I've been amazed at how horrible the LPC is at fundraising and reaching out to donors, and I'm saying that as someone who pays attention to politics (and, for that matter, actually has given to the Party)…I can't imagine how non-existent their fundraising apparatus must seem to people who don't follow things that closely…

  10. I signed up for the victory fund the day after I saw the first tory ad on t.v.

  11. I can hardly wait for the second quarter fund raising reports by the party's to Elections Canada to come out in July. Liberals are addicted to other peoples money or OPM, they will never raise enough money on their own to get anywhere near close enough to the Conservatives to be in contention.

    Iggy is worse than Dion, not a leader too.

  12. I'm neither Liberal nor a troll, but thanks for the kind words.

  13. "But that was before the Conservatives announced an ambitious nationwide ad buy, which portrays Ignatieff as a carpetbagger who is “just visiting” after 34 years abroad."

    An infandous carpetbagger!

  14. And I suppose you're cheering the fact that the party with the gold sets the rules. I'm absolutely astounded by the fact that people think its normal and healthy for a democracy to be rigged in favour of those who can afford to make significant donations to political parties.

  15. Actually, the CPC gets the biggest subsidy in town and was, for the sake of government finances, willing to forego that subsidy. Now, I'm trying to remember how the other parties reacted…..

  16. look at CPC contributions. They are small in individual size and vast in number. While you can attack us as much as you feel necessary, pay some respect to the fact that the CPC is not funded by a gaggle of Bay street lawyers looking to put the guy lounging with Joan Bryden on a gold lamay couch but in fact by lots and lots and lots of normal citizens.

  17. Judging by how long it took the Liberals to respond to the Conservative ads, that fundraising can't come soon enough…

  18. Thanks for info.. I am going to join victory fund ,,,good luck liberals

  19. A Bay street lawyer is not a normal citizen? Who talks like this? Ryan Sparrow? Is that you?

  20. So, the Liberal response to the Conservative ads is to (a) move up the date of a meeting; (b) move a motion at yet another meeting; and (c) grant an exclusive interview to Maclean's to essentially announce their granditious fundraising strategy.

    And these guys want to fix the economy?

    I can see it now. Dozens and dozens of taskforces. Thousands of meetings and townhalls, some of them in Paris and London. A half a dozen NYT op-eds. Perhaps a book or two. And, of course, strategic leaks to major media outlets.

    Yes, sure. That'll take our breath away.

  21. I was never worried about Bay St lawyers bankrolling the CPC. I'm more worried about fundamentalist Christians who are used to tithes and have the numbers and willingness to buy a political party. Relying on many, mid-sized donations is a recipe for special interest groups to exact undue influence over parties.

    If you want a party dependent on small, widespread donations, I think a $250 or $100 cap would be more logical.

  22. Of course they were getting the biggest subsidy (they are in goverment, are they not?). If I were Harper, I would be willing to forego my subsidy too if it meant crushing the opposition so badly (just after an election) that we turn into a one party state. That is Harper's dream.

  23. This is laughable. Creating a memo saying that you want to raise $25 M versus actually doing it are two completely different things. If it was as easy as as 'creating a resolution' and having a meeting, then the Liberals would have done this years ago, along with every other party.

    The fact is, that raising $ through donors is a long hard process. The Conservatives have been working on this for years and are very successful. I wouldn't hold my breath for the Liberals to duplicate what the CPC has done.

    Oh by the way. For every dollar the Libs 'claim' that they are receiving (because of these new ads), the CPC is raising just as much and more.

    I just sent my latest donation to the CPC! Keep those ads coming. I love em.

  24. Hey to the libby supporters out there, I saw a pop-bottle along the QEW you could pick up for the deposit.

    Nothing in the ads was wrong, and the truth does hurt sometimes

  25. If the CPC is so concerned about the public purse, maybe they could withdraw their lawsuit against Elections Canada to claim over a million dollars in taxpayer dollars in rebates that they're not entitled too. Not to mention the legal bills they're forcing Elections Canada to run up at taxpayer expense.

  26. Paul, I'm just curious about something. Doesn't this post right here sort of fly in the face of your "sitting on a lead" post. Part of your thesis, the Liberals feeling over-confident, and yet here we see a very aggressive initiative to improve our fortunes. Doesn't sound like anyone is taking anything for granted, and this post shows just that.

  27. The reason the Liberals have had no real response to the so-called "attack ads", is that they are factually correct, and represent the views of millions of Canadians. The only response Iggy or the Liberals has come up with to refute the ads, is something like – "well, lots of people have lived outside of Canada, doesn't mean they're not Canadians". True of course, but the Liberals must really think we are stupid – how many have actually NOT lived in Canada for 34 of the last approx. 38 years, AND who have just returned recently after a 34 year absence, AND who think they should be given the biggest job in the land? A "carpetbagger" is the accurate term to describe someone who is trying to do what Iggy and the Liberals are trying to do. Also, how many people do you know that need to write a book, to tell us – we, the simple and great unwashed – that even though he was absent from the country for about 88% of the last 4 decades, he still loves Canada (and thus should be PM) .

    Imagine for one minute, if someone wanted to run for US President, who had been absent from the country for 34 years, and just returned recently to run for Prez. How far do you think they'd get?

  28. I too wish all luck for the LPC. It's about time that Iggy steps up to the plate .. do something .. anything .. you only got a few days before the summer doldrums and no press until the fall. Then we have the latest IMF report that's all warm and fuzzy again about Canadas finances. Maybe this will kick start some real fundraising despite how much the Lib's just hate that … god forbid the regular members actually get out and do something except post their rants in web forums. Comparing when I was in the LPC and the fundarising compared to the CPC and how they get the troops out … well there is just no comparison I still am contsantly surprised and impressed with how many of my fellow Conservatives will actually get together and on their own have hundreds of bake sales and my favorite mystery auctions and whatever to help their party rather than sit back and moan and groan about things relying on the bay st gang to figure out ways to create virtual donors.

  29. Funny, though, how they don't even want to talk or for you to talk about the even bigger subsidy they get from us taxpayers – the Conservatives way more than the other parties – of the up to 75% tax credit for political donations. This results in a subsidy from all taxpayers to the party that raises the most money – not even related to who wins the most public support.

    Until they start tackling that taxpayer subsidy, there is no reason to believe they care about subsidies or government finances and every reason to believe this is just simply another stick with which to poke their opponents.

    At least with the $1.95 per vote subsidy, you are rewarding electoral success and funding political parties based upon their proportionate representation of the country's voters.

  30. I increased my contribution.

  31. "It seems to me that many Libs got quite comfortable with Government giving money to a variety of orgs and companies and then having those firms ‘donate' money to party. Now that they are compelled to use their own money I wonder how Libs will respond."

    Chretien ended this a long time ago.

  32. Why should I donate to Ignatieff's Party; Ignatieff didn't donate to D'ion's Party?

  33. The Spring fundraising numbers are going to be huge.

  34. "Relying on many, mid-sized donations is a recipe for special interest groups to exact undue influence over parties."

    Exactly. We've replaced corporate and union donors with special interest groups or single issue motivators with large membership lists. More democratic to be sure, but it leaves the ordinary Canadian – of whatever political persuasion or party preference, the ones who just get on with life, raise their kids, do their jobs, pay their taxes, etc. but not hugely involved in any lobbying or special interest group completely at the mercy of these large member organizations and their control/influence over the policy direction of their targetted party. 'You want me to send a request out to my 100,000 members for a small donation? Put the gun registry in your cross-hairs."

  35. No one has mentioned it, so I will – The more the CPC get in small donations, the more taxpayers have to foot the bill as these donations are tax refundable, 75 percent of the first $400 (or $300 paid by the taxpayers), 50 percent of the next $350 and 33⅓ percent of an amount over $750.

    And those who don't know the difference between a refundable credit and a non-refundable credit will believe the Home Depot rep who encourages them to spend $10,000 in reno because Mr. Harper will send them a $1,500 cheque.

  36. Everything in politics is circular. Its why we get so dizzy!

  37. "Oh by the way. For every dollar the Libs ‘claim' that they are receiving (because of these new ads), the CPC is raising just as much and more. "

    And you base that on what?

    In the last quarter, the Liberals increased their fundraising by more than double, about $900,000, and increasing their donors by about 5,000; while the Conservatives dropped about $500,000 and lost 5,000 donors, year over year.

    While the Cons remain way ahead, the shocking and disconcerting fact for them has got to be that big a loss of donors. Conservative supporters are turning away from the Conservatives. And if you can judge anything from the overall reaction to these ads from Conservative-supporters, I would expect the numbers to continue to drop.

  38. Excuse me, please, if I find it funny that so many Liberals are just now deciding to donate to their party. Oooo, Harper is so bad now that you will finally pry open your wallet and put money where your mouth (or keyboard is). Well bully for you! What a novel idea! Now all you have to do is continue supporting what you believe in with your own money instead of expecting government or the taxpayer to do it and eventually you'll become a conservative. Me, I donated a couple of time to Ezra Levant because I believed in his fight, and my wife and I together donate monthly to a specific animal welfare cause, and I have donated to the Conservatives in the past. They won't be seeing my money again until the actually follow through on some promises, tough . . .

  39. I was thinking the exact same thing, Ted. Wouldn't the tax credit on $25M (if they reached that) be larger than the public subsidy the Liberals are receiving now?

  40. The $1.95 per vote subsidy should stay. Im with you, I think it rewards real votes, and there by the will of the people. Not just the people with cash like the 75% tax credit for donations does. They could do away with that one IMO.

  41. Are you saying this only applies to the Consevative Pary? This is not fair for the Liberal party.

  42. One thing I HAVE noticed is the large number of Con supporters at the keyboard at all times of the day and night ready to attack liberals. And anyone proud of out-of-country experience.

    My excuse is I'm newly retired and read websites rather that newspapers (less zenophobic & anti-intellectual than my local rag. Although Macleans can be sometimes pretty tainted.)

    Guess I'll up my Lib contributions now.

  43. And what does that have to do with anything?

  44. Yes, if the Liberals are successful, it could cost an extra 10 million or more in tax subsidies, but the Conservatives already cost our public coffers that. Personally, I like the democracy of $1.95/vote, rather than having a small fraction of voters determine which party most benefits from the tax subsidies. However, having to raise funds does have advantages to the political parties which do it well.

  45. I think you could argue that at least one ad lied by saying that Ignatieff had issued attack ads, which he clearly has not. The ad they mention is a youtube submission by someone who may or may not be a Liberal, but they certainly have no evidence that Iggy issued the ads. It's like saying Harper is responsible for the Bermuda triangle.

  46. This one is more consistent with what I have seen and heard. Others pointed out that 'sitting on a lead' and 'feeling giddy' could simply mean the Liberals have some optimism along with all the hard work.

  47. Well, it would certainly be nice if Elections Canada conceded. That would save money too; why aren't you calling for that, pray tell?

  48. I havent donated to the Liberals since Chretien, but I just went to liberals website and donated a hundred bucks.

    It's good to see we're back.

  49. "Nothing in the ads was wrong"

    Are you kidding me? That's a lot of kool-aid you must be drinking to say that.

    Where is the verifiable truth to saying he is "just visiting" or that he is "only in it for himself"? How is it "truthful" to pull quotations from as far back as 1991 – nearly two decades – and claim these are his opinions now? How is it "truthful" to take half a quotation, dropping the very next sentence which refutes the Conservative claims (eg. taxes, torture, leaving Canada) etc.?

    If these are "truth ads" I think you've been reading too much Orwell and take 1984 as prescription instead of warning.

  50. Not true, bud. Maxed out, not each year, but he donated in every year under Dion.

  51. “Factually correct”

    Are you kidding me? That's a lot of kool-aid you must be drinking to say that.

    Where is the verifiable truth to saying he is “just visiting” or that he is “only in it for himself”? How is it “truthful” to pull quotations from as far back as 1991 – nearly two decades – and claim these are his opinions now? How is it “truthful” to take half a quotation, dropping the very next sentence which refutes the Conservative claims (eg. taxes, torture, leaving Canada) etc.?

    If these are "factually correct" “truth ads” I think you've been reading too much Orwell and take 1984 as prescription instead of warning.

  52. Harper pretend to care about taxpayers subsidizing political parties.

    But federal political parties in Canada receive two subsidies: $1.95 per vote gained in the last election; and up to 75% of all political donations.

    The first subsidy rewards a party for winning votes and reflects popular support. This benefits parties who successfully win over voters. It means the subsidy is coming from the people who voted for the party (and those who opted not to vote).

    The second subsidy – the one the Conservatives don't want to talk about – rewards a party machine for its funding raising efforts and reflects who is better at getting money from its supporters. This benefits parties who successfully get supporters to part with money.

    Worse, it means people who did vote Conservative are actually subsidizing Conservatives with their tax dollars.

  53. Everyone.

    Donate $1 to the LPC now.

    They will spend $20 a month in postage and printing to hound you for more.

    They will be bankrupt (again) in no time.

    Thank god.

  54. For god sakes man, we are not back, we are in opposition. I believe given a chance Dominic Leblanc will bring us back.

  55. Donors:

    Liberals – 15,230 (10,160)

    Conservatives – 39,432 (44,345)

    NDP – 10,304 (13,329)

    Donations:

    Liberals – $1,831,843 ($846,129)

    Conservatives – $4,361,540 ($4,954,550)

    NDP – $595,611 ($1,119,648)

    Source: Andrew Coyne

    By any objective measure the Tories are still fundraising the crap out of the Grits. Until that changes they can run all the nasty ads they want without a meaningful response. That's the hill in front of the Grits and its a pretty steep one.

    Oh yes, and fundraising actually costs money: serious fundraising costs serious money. If the Alf Apps and Rocco are serious about this (rather than just setting a Soviet-style five year plan) they'll be burning through a lot of their cash on hand. You know, the stuff you need in the event of an electuion.

  56. I'll definitely be contributing to the LPC. I donated $650. last year, the first time in my life.

  57. What will be the net, after discounting for (former) Tory donors who are disgusted at what Korn Kob Kory is doing with their sweat-soaked loonies?

  58. I gave the maximum of $1100 and so did all my kids, and all my employees, and all my relatives and all my customers……

    It's not so hard!

  59. The CPC will bleed the the LPC to death!

    Now that the corrupt Adscam/HRDC/Shawinigate/GunRegistryScandal(s) "collectivists" have to actually persuade actual Canadians to write actual cheques from actual bank accounts and cannot soley rely on, once again, the pilfering of the public treasury a party, it will be a rich to see what support there actually is or isn't. who stands for nothing other than enriching it's own coffers and those of it's legions of bloddsuckers and hangers-on with Canadian taxpayers dollars

    The Adscam/HRDC/Shawinigate/GunRegistryScandalParty bilking the Canadian taxpayer out of MILLIONS for decades and directing the misappropriated lucre to themselves, have proved FOREVER where their loyalties lie and that the liberals put the interests of their party and it's vast coterie of bloodsuckers and hangers-on above the interests of Canada and the Canadian people.

    Well get use to it …you're out of power for a reason(s) and Stephen Harper, while not being exactly a media spotlight celebrity darling, is an absolute straight shooter of a guy trying to do his honest best for Canada in a sea of shilling connivers.

    Ordinary Canadians from coast to coast, relate and they have NOT forgotten!

  60. Andrew (not Potter or Coyne) wrote:

    "Last I heard, the CPC was quite happily accepting the public subsidy, as well. Nevermind that the subsidy is a good thing."

    All parties are getting the public subsidy Andy. My comment was not regarding LEGAL revenue for the Liberal Party, my comment was clearly directed to the funds collected by the Liberal Party by illegal means.

    that's why the LIberals are so intent on legitimate fundraising now…….the Canadian Public is on to them, and if the Liberals are caught stealing again….it won't go over well.

    Remember, there is still $40,000,000 missing that the Liberals stole just a few short years ago. We will NEVER get it back, and in fact, I wonder how much was spent by Liberal candidates in the last election. I'm sure much of the remaining stolen money is sitting in a few select bank accounts of prominent Liberals, either sitting or not sitting. Doesn't matter though….we'll never see it again.

  61. "Well, it would certainly be nice if Elections Canada conceded. That would save money too"

    Wow – that's just the lamest attempt at a rejoinder I've heard in years.

  62. LOL!!

    I can see the first LPC "attack" ad now :

    "Count Igg-ula :

    I'm for the coalition. I'm against the coalition.

    I'm a Canadian. I'm an American.

    I'll raise taxes. I won't raise taxes.

    I'm against asbestos exports. I'm for asbestos exports.

    I'm ok with Israel's actions. I declare Israel of being guilty of war crimes.

    I believe Ruby Dhalla. I'm not disagreeing with what the caregivers have said.

    I lie. I lie."

    Count Igg-ula; a guy who has the look, sound and feel of a guy desperately trying to figure out how he'd look, sound and feel if he actually WAS the guy he is trying to be….he is not.

    An American phony head crudely grafted onto the body of a corrupt and discredited "Frankenstein" political 'party' in the hope of instant resurrection.

    Perfect for a party who stands for nothing other than enriching it's own coffers and those of it's legions of bloddsuckers and hangers-on with Canadian taxpayers dollars a-la Sponsorship/Adscam scandal, the Shawinigate scandal, the HRDC boondoggle, the failed Gun Registry, the Canada Lands scandal etc etc.

    The "Seinfeld convention" (it was about NOTHING) just underlined the overwhelming cynicism of a party that has clearly learned..NOTHING!

    Canadian taxpayers have not forgotten !

  63. Oh, James, so – ahem – in and out with the truth. PMSH would be so proud of you.

  64. You know, there's nothing like a True Believer for raw entertainment value.

  65. AND for contributions and votes

  66. Well for almost 14 years the liberal braintrust was busy running governments….you know, setting policy, dealing with issues, slaying deficits.

    The Harpercrites have for 20 years had nothing to do but figure out how to get into power, hence their ability to raise cash – that's all they've been doing for the last generation.

  67. Don't forget about all the money wasted tying up the courts with frivilous lawsuits, trying to do damage to your opponents, then caving when it became clear that yes, a tape is a tape!

  68. Well, it would certainly be nice if Elections Canada conceded. That would save money too; why aren't you calling for that, pray tell?

    Lol. So AVR, in your mind, after the non-partisan organization responsible for upholding Canada's election laws rules that the Conservatives are not entitled to a taxpayer rebate worth over $1million for its "in and out" scheme, and the Conservatives launched a lawsuit against Elections Canada to overturn its ruling, forcing the taxpayers to run up # in legal fees defending the Conservative lawsuit, YOUR solution to save taxpayer $ is for Elections Canada to concede the lawsuit and hand over a million in undeserved taxpayer dollars to the Conservatives?

    Yeah, that makes all kinds of sense.

  69. Are you saying Bay Street lawyers have bad taste in furniture? That's what I took from that chucker. And you should apologize.

  70. Give the Conservatives a majority and we will find out where that 40 million is.With a majority we can run commissions with Conservatives as the majority and not the opposition.We will also have Conservative chairmen,not Liberal or NDP.Then the truth will come out,so don't give up on that 40 million just yet.And there probably is more like billions missing.

  71. No one is denying the Con #s are higher. They absolutely are. The point was about the trend, both in # of donors and # of dollars. Both are moving sharply up for the Liberals, and down for the Conservative. For the CPC that downward trend should be a canary in the proverbial coal mine. It's absolutely reversible, if they evaluate the why and take corrective action. If course, if they want to bury their heads in the same I'm cool with that.

  72. I agree James – and that 40 million really sticks in the craw. I would add as well that anyone is not Liberal and has followed the Mulroney Schreiber saga just might have noticed a little nugget of info at the inquiry a few weeks ago – it was at the end of the main questions and a little story about schreiber falling out of love with the Conservatives right after they lost and it seems started a romance with some liberals but this of course was not explored further – kinda makes me wonder how many Lib's may have gotten a few envelopes .. but I doubt anyone in the media will do any digging as right now they want affirmation that their ' Narrative ' supports the harper hater side of things.

  73. ''If I'm not elected here, I imagine that I will ask Harvard to take me back''

    Michael Ignatieff Nov 30, 2005

  74. LOL. During the 06 election we heard from you guys "once we're in government wait and see, ohhh boy, Liberal scandals everywhere, ohhh boy, the scandals we'll unveil once we open the books, wooo scandal, bobedy bogedy boo."

    We'll, it's been, what, three years now? And what have we had? Crickets. Now it's "oh, we need a majority, and then, oh boy, just you wait, hee hee, scandals!" It's hilarious.

    I can only surmise that you actually believe this this misguided scenario, because as spin it's pretty frickin' stupid.

  75. I just saw Ignatieff's response to the CPC attack ads & was impressed. A very classy response and right on the money. Nothing spiteful or vicious.

    I see nothing wrong with the present system, which provides each party with funds equally, from all taxpayers without any strings attached.

    Private donations if not directly from the major companies sift down from family members as we saw from the drug company donations, a few years ago, some of them were attributed to 12 year olds.

    Since the Tory support is mainly big business we have seen they promote policies that are geared to a payback.

  76. And King Harper is accusing Iggy of being out of touch with Canadians? Puh-leeeeeeze! Canadians have resoundingly sent the message to Ottawa over the past few years that we are sick to death of attack ads and mudslinging. Apparently Emperor Harper doesn't know how to listen very well. By the time he starts hearing the coins dropping into the LPC coffers it will be far too late.

    This game is won in Ontario (still a hotbed of LPC supporters the last time I checked) and Quebec (how's that one working for you Mr. Harper?).

    I've joined the LPC Victory fund. Who's with me?

  77. "I am furious with my former Conservative colleagues for launching an advertising campaign featuring Michael Ignatieff."

    — Monte Solberg May 22, 2009

    Taking stuff out of context is fun!

  78. I love this myth about the $40 million. It has become religious cannon for Conservatives.

    I also like the admission of a hidden agenda here – just wait until we have a majority! – the funny thing is that it is an invention in this case. Nothing was stopping the Conservatives from exploring Adscam with the NDP and especially the Bloc probably more keen than the Cons in using government for partisan purposes in trying to stomp on the Liberals.

    But Harper did not try.

  79. Déjà vu, Ted. I look forward to re-reading your same comment again and again.

    I think the ads reflect what a few Liberals think about Ignatieff. Paul Wells mentioned this in a recent post, where he links to a story back in '06. Times have certainly changed since '06, but some Liberals might still be uneasy with Ignatieff "just visiting."

  80. The difference is Monte was using sarcasm there, but then the truth is something that tends to escape the grasp of the typical Liberal.

  81. Every $ that the RCMP and independent auditors identified as having ended-up in Liberal coffers was repaid to the taxpayers in full years ago. But you just keep making crap up "James".

  82. What colour is the sky on the planet that you live on?

  83. You've just joined a very small club.

  84. Why did they have to wait for the ads to come out before being serious about raising money ? Couldn't they just have anticipated this, given past history ? Why didn't they just 'sharply accererate' fund raising anyway – I mean just for the heck of it ?

    " they gots ads now Bert – best we start thinking about getting more mulla.."

    How much more time/money do you need before responding to these ads ? The horse has left the barn homs. The strategic genius of the Libs is overwhelming sometimes. Shock and awe.

  85. Myth about the $40 million missing from Adscam? Was it not Judge Gomery who concluded that money was missing? Was it not Gomery who called the LPoC criminally organized?

  86. i see dead people…donating to the liberal party! ;-)

  87. Oh Bruce, you must be a CPC supporter. Nothing new to say yourself, but you get off on criticizing the opinions of others. Keep this up and you'll have a job in the PMO in no time.

  88. Repaid in full, BS

  89. There should be an inquiry and forensic audit into the $162 Million Taxpayer Dollars that went to Paul Martin's CSL while he was Finance Minister. In the Commons Martin at first claimed CSL only recveived $34,000, just a bit of a difference. Typical Liberal BS.

  90. I was just stating a fact, but then if you can't handle reality………….

  91. "How much more time/money do you need before responding to these ads ? The horse has left the barn homs. The strategic genius of the Libs is overwhelming sometimes. Shock and awe."

    Do the Libs really need to respond with ads of their own? IMO the CPC attack ads are much more damaging to Harper then they are to Iggy and the Libs. From the comments on here and other discussion boards nobody is buying it.

    Also, in terms of timing, the Libs were smart to wait until September to start their fundraising campaign. Couldn't set out new directions until after the convention (beginning of May) and nobody gives a damn about sending cheques to Ottawa during the summer season.

    And there is no reason to panic. I see a lot of smoke coming out the of CPC right now, but there's no fire.

  92. Count me in Mike – where do I send my cheque for 5 cents? I'm hoping this goes towards an inhouse inquiry clearing up the 40 million missing adscam money business.

  93. I've never given a dime to any political party… That's not so hard either!

  94. "but thanks for the kind words [troll]." ;-)

  95. When I first saw the negative ads I was discusted that a person that wants to lead our country would approve these type of personal slurs to for personal gain, and feel it only shows his and the party's character. (looks like the Republican party in the USA are coaching the CPC eh). It seems to me the CPC are a little fearsome of a well fulfilled CANADIAN with an abundance of intelligence and class. I for one will be supporting the Liberal party this time around. The CPC tries to take credit for the fairly good shape of our economy,but forget to tell us that they inherited an economy that was in great shape and deficit free and it only took them short term to mess that up.

  96. Another great idea from the CPC! lets spend more money ($65million oughta do it hey?) to find out where the missing $40million went.

    Is there anybody in the CPC that is more interested about tomorrow rather than yesterday?

  97. These ads are childish..sticks and stones….Grow up Mr Harper

  98. The same colour apparently as yours, care to give us the source, of that scripted mythical statement supposedly from Ignatieff. Or are you truly on a different planet. Go back to You Tube and see what class looks like.

    BTW, Are you hackers paid by the word, or the number of responses, & what else do you do all day?.

  99. I suppose it would be asking a lot to request that everybody calm down a lot rather than trying to win the next election on this comment board. But just in case some of you are capable of calming down, I thought I'd ask.

    Folks? Take a valium? 'kthanx.

  100. Actually Jason…..the Conservatives can thank the Liberals, the BLOC and the NDP for the "in out" methods you have discussed. In fact, the Conservatives were the last to use that strategy, and in case you forget….the LIBERAL chairman of the committee which was looking into it…..refused ALL witnesses called by the Conservatives. Those witnesses were disallowed of course because they were all working for various parties at the time. The NDP campaigners, Liberals, and BLOC….and they all knew about the strategy. That's why SZabo didn't allow them to testify.

    The witnesses would have told the committee…..what they all knew already. The Opposition parties just didn't want their hypocrisy shown on TV.

    Nice try though Jason…….keep telling yourself you are casting your ballot for a group of moral folks. We both know it's not true, but if that's what floats your boats….put your X beside the Liberals all the while ignoring the kind of people who make up that party.

    Being ignorant is a Canadian Right…………..enjoy your freedom to be so.

  101. Well no matter how nasty this becomes we'll all be safe because after all "there will be soldiers, on the streets, in our cities." Cue opressive, ominous music. Now which party was pumping those puppies out while they were in power? Which party was bleating about hidden agendas?

    The sad reality is the media should be looking at the Iggster's past in a slightly more critical light. Can you imagine the furor if David Frum, or Charles Krauthamer returned for a run for the CPC roses? And then were given a free pass by the party elite to the top job without a democratic vote?

    I'm sure there would be suicides at the Globe and the Star over the inhumanity of the evil right wing agenda.

    Get a grip lefties and dreamers and be happy we are being led by a pragmatic, competant, brilliant guy, who just happens to be a little hard to warm up to

  102. AnPnC: I'm absolutely astounded by the fact that people think its normal and healthy for a democracy to be rigged in favour of those who can afford to make significant donations to political parties.

    Chucker: look at CPC contributions. They are small in individual size and vast in number.

    AnPnC: I'm more worried about fundamentalist Christians who are used to tithes and have the numbers and willingness to buy a political party.

    Goal posts? What goal posts?

  103. Hey……Alfonso Gagliano was fingered as a mafia man for the Gambino Crime Family…..maybe he could tell us where the money is?

    Of course, if he gets close to exposing the Liberals….you can be sure he would "disappear" or be appointed to some type of diplomatic post….or something like that.

    La Famia Liberala…

  104. Let's see now, the Liberals under Chretien/Martin created false balanced budgets and surpluses by cutting transfers to the provinces for Health, Education and Social Services, gutted funding to the military, fisheries enforcement and the coast guard, raided the pension funds of the RCMP, military and unionized civil servants, and pilfered the EI Fund surplus to the tune of $54 Billion Dollars.

    Real good track record the Liberals have.

  105. You were dreaming, It never happened.

  106. FACTS?….. The sky is falling.

  107. main source big business? are you sure you are talking about the CPC? because if you are serious .. well .. obviously you might be as you posted it however you may have been influenced by some left wing nut talking points because I can tell you that the facts are the money the party gets comes from us supporters and we go out and earn it a few bucks here a few bucks there and no Bay St boys huddled together out on the 8 th tee .

  108. Do the Libs really need to respond with ads of their own? IMO the CPC attack ads are much more damaging to Harper then they are to Iggy and the Libs.

    Just out of curiosity, Mike — and this is an honest question, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or rude — did you say the same thing about the Dion "not a leader" ads?

    I ask merely out of curiosity. It would be interesting to see which Liberal feels they shouldn't respond to these ads, and find out if those same Liberals felt the same way about the Dion ads.

    I think the Liberals have gone through a "live and learn" experience, and they don't want to repeat the same mistake again. I would imagine the Libs are planning a major response, not just ignoring this like they did with the Dion ads.

  109. if only it was just me then I could live with it but truth has a way of coming right up in your face and the thievery that went on by the LPC took corruption to whole new levels .. and all I can say is thank god I left the party before Martin and crew took over and I have never made a better dedcision than I did when I joined the CPC.

  110. here here … well done and I think you are right I know for a fact my boy Stevie still wants to find out where it is and who has it.

  111. ditto

  112. Bruce, your take on truth tells me you live in disney land. Why not talk about the billions Flaherty aka Mr. Flatulence stole from Canadians on the income trust taxation that the Liberals will expose at the right time.

    A typical angry white tory…can't ever get a majority so you spew anger and stupidity.

  113. No one with any sense.

  114. don't forget the mushroom cloud in the distance – we know it's it coming!

  115. "Finally, the party would “make use of direct mail, telemarketing and established online/social media techniques to reach out to the millions of actual and potential Liberal supporters and sympathizers across Canada,” with the goal of raising $10,000,000 a year in small, one-off donations.

    Wow, LPC finally got the message about many small donations. It has only been, what, like 6 years ?

    I'll believe it when I see it.

  116. You have to be kidding. Iggy..the ex pat who takes 2 years for a 177 page book of flufftrying to look Canadian. Please. Did anyone ask Harvard if they would take him back. He couldn't get tenure before. Why would they take him now when he couldn't get a permanent position before.

  117. From the Harvard Crimson;

    Ignatieff's future with the Kennedy School remains dependent on whether he is elected.

    “If I am not elected, I imagine that I will ask Harvard to let me back,” Ignatieff said. “I love teaching here, and I hope I'll be back in some shape or form.”

    Canadian members of Parliament can serve for up to five years, but standard leaves of absence from the Kennedy School of Government (KSG) are limited to two years. Exceptions to the KSG policy may be made under “extenuating circumstances,” KSG communications director Melodie Jackson said in September.

    “He is still affiliated with the Carr Center and will remain so,” said Executive Director Fernande Raine. “We hope he will come back at some point depending on how long this run in politics actually takes.”

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510196

  118. mulletaur…..do you think the very right wing national citizens coalition would take harper back since he's now acting like an NDP supporter with all his deficit financing.

  119. Are you 12 years old?

  120. Its a fair question. However, I think the circumstances of the two ad…um…I mean smear campaigns are quite different. The "Dion is not a leader" ads came out during a general election campaign and they did have immediate traction with voters. In this case I feel that those ads were much more damaging to Dion and the Libs than then they were to the CPC. Had these ads come out now (not during an election campaign) and had the general public not had much interest in them, then I'd have the same advice…don't respond…don't step down to their level.

    I think that Iggy's response (its on youtube if you haven't seen it) was very eloquent and effective. He should be proud of his achievements, and just because he achieved something outside of the country doesn't mean that he's any less Canadian. Canadians do great things all over the world and we are recognized for it. Are the two new Canadian astronauts going to be perceived as being "less Canadian"

    because they are off to Texas to do their training and their future work? I don't think so.

  121. Boo-hoo! Those meanie Conservatives are telling the People the inconvenient truth about our Dear Leader! This cannot stand! Only Conservatives are supposed to have their past dredged up and broadcast to the People! Liberals must be protected at all costs!

    Help us protect ourselves from the nasty old Tories! They're mean! So give us money so we can lie about people with guns in the streets in Canada under Harper!

    Sheeeeesh.

    What a pathetic reason to fundraise.

    Besides, don't the Liberals already have free "attack ads" going all the time against the Conservatives? I mean, every time you turn on the news or read the paper, it's Tory-bad this and Tory-bad that…

    Heh. Let the Liberals squirm and try to create diversions from the inconvenient truth about their current temporary leader, truth which the Media of Mass Deception seems oddly uninterested in digging up, whereas they always seem to be ready to bring up ancient dregs about the Tories. And Liberals always gleefully repeat the same old Harper stuff, like the old "firewall around Alberta against Ottawa" document, taken wholly out of context.

    Oh, and they have to deal with the radioactive taint of the Dhalla NannyGate Scandal, and deal with the inconvenient truth that Ignatieff stands by a Liberal MP whom the vast majority of Canadians believe just might be an outlaw mean-spirited whip-cracker or something like that. Of course, that's nothing new for Liberals, obviously…

  122. On December 12, 2003 Martin becomes the 21st Prime Minister of Canada. On January 28, 2004 the federal government, in response to opposition party and media enquiries, revealed that CSL Group Inc. had received $162 million in federal government contracts, grants and loans since Paul Martin became Minister of Finance in 1993.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Steamship_Lin

  123. "Help us protect ourselves from the nasty old Tories! They're mean! So give us money…!

    Sheeeeesh.

    What a pathetic reason to fundraise."

    good point. it was always much nobler when the conservatives did the exact same thing.

  124. He's a clever guy. Always hedging his bets.

  125. Pragmatic, competent and brilliant leaders encourage open ideas and dialogue from their peers and governmental agencie, they don't mute and muzzle them. Mr. Harper, while I grant you may have a brilliant intellect, is far from a pragmatic and competent leader. If anything Harper is an idealist (social policy, crime/gun law reform, environmental protection, etc), which is the literal opposite of being pragmatic.

    And when they put out attack ad after attack ad is it any wonder why we have a hard time warming up to him?

  126. the liberals are using the internet to infiltrate peoples email boxes and on utube. That proved very effective in Obamas campaign and the Liberals have bought the software he used on an exclusive basis for Canada…you will soon hear about liberallists and its ability to find liberal voters and track them much more accurately than any other data bases out there. Have fun with your nasty tory ads on TV the old economy networks.

  127. Olaf! You're alive! We were getting worried.

  128. So what…you will never get any dirt on martin. he had a blind trust manage his shares and interests and had no inoput into any funds received by CSL. More bogey man stuff from the hate squad known as tories.

  129. I found a liberal infiltrator. He has been in my emails and youtubes. What do I do?

  130. You send him $10 per month.

  131. Nope. Sorry. You got that wrong.

  132. You know you are winning when the Cons start bringing up Adscam. It occurred over a decade ago, two Prime Ministers ago, 4 elections ago… but when they can't win the argument it is the first thing they bring up, together with the fact that nearly two decades ago Chretien promised to cancel the GST and didn't.

  133. And Iggy was making fun of himself, a joke. but as BCer said, it's fun taking stuff out of context.

  134. Canuckistanian, you did read my entire comment, right?

    The Tories need to do these ads because they don't have free partisan advertising (via the Liberal-friendly, Tory-unfriendly Big Media) like the Liberals do. If they don't do it, they suffer from deteriorating public esteem due to negative Big Media propaganda attacks on them by Liberal "journalists".

    I don't know why the Liberals bother to attack the Tories with ads of their own. After all, what can they say that hasn't already been said by the Big Media? The Liberals can just sit back and let the Big Media bash the Conservatives, and that's what they've been doing, successfully, seeing as they've risen to neck-and-neck in the polls with the Tories…

  135. No I am not a lieberal!

  136. I want an inquiry into why Diefenbaker cancel the Arrow. That's what I want to know.

    And while we're at it, who exactly paid that $10,000 dollars to Sir John A? I don't think that has ever fully been cleared up.

  137. Your info must come from the same place as Bruces mythical statements attributed to Michae.

    More fook you for joining a do nothing party.

  138. Again, not the regular commenter Ted, just so we're clear in case it wasn't.

    Wanna each agree to throw in an initial?

  139. same script Huh.

  140. A blind trust? You actually believe that? Do you want to buy a bridge?

  141. Gotta love this – when Liberals raise money for ads it is a "focused response" a nice touchy-feely positive spin – when Conservatives do it it is "attack ads" a wholly negative and critical spin –

    Liberals have been attacking Conservatives using their colleagues in the media, Parliamentary committees and tax payer monies siphoned off during the sponsorship scandal and other programmes where even the Auditor General couldn't account for all the money gone missing. This is nothing new but it is funny how the spin is so different when they do it. Ignatieff will be PM because the MSM has decided they want him to be; they are protecting him and covering for him to ensure the truth of his character and beliefs remain a mystery – we will then have several more years of corrupt Liberal governance and they'll be turfed out once again – nothing changes.

  142. Have fun with your nasty tory ads on TV the old economy networks.

    Oh, we are. And the other stuff we've got going, too.

    But personally I believe that TV ads are the most powerful, most impacting.

    Spam from the Liberals will just be deleted and blocked, like the "please your girl better" emails and "urgent- please respond- millions of bucks for you!" ones I get all the time…

  143. You're an idiot Ted.

  144. Reading these comments, especially after Wells' comment above, is hilarious.

    Intelligent Liberals and Conservatives know that no one besides political activists (what do you figure that is? less than 5% of the population?) gives a sweet crap about politics between elections, yet, as Wells says, everyone here seems to think that if they slam a poster, or list off some past political sins that the next election is theirs. Honestly, people, do you think these message boards are reflective of the Canadian populace? Do you think because political posters, bloggers or writers are furrowing their eyebrows that they aren't working?

    I think the Libs should be worried about the CPC ads, because while political activists or political reporters may not like them, the guy two beers in to a hockey game will at least see them, and will be told that Ignatieff is an arrogant bastard. Whether he believes it is another story, but you can bet that the same guy sure as hell isn't going to go on youtube the next day to see what the freebie Liberal response is, and he isn't going to watch the At Issue Panel on Thursday night to find out that three people who either write for or live in the Toronto market think of them If he's lucky, he'll read a Macleans article while he's waiting at the dentist, and even then it will be 5 months old.

    I guess these vicious comments and all of the back and forth are all part of the game, but don't pretend that anyone who isn't already decided is playing.

  145. ROFL LMAO! one political cookie to Mike from Van

  146. I charged the Liberal MP for Eglinton $1100 for the large deluxe pizza he bought at my restaurant recently – he gladly paid for it with his Parliament of Canada-issued credit card, and I then turned around and readily donated that money to the Liberal Party of Canada!

    Laurier Club/Victory Fund Dinner – here I come!

    I'll be sure to bring a brown bag to take any leftovers home.

  147. Brainless cheap shot – pathetic.

  148. Paul Wells – "Just Visiting"

  149. Interesting – 40 million not found – so how can anyone say it was stolen? That has to be proven. Oh, I forgot in the new Harper law and order agenda – everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

  150. Hello – 2005! C'mon, if he wasn't elected – he'd need a job and probably Harvard offered to take him back.

  151. Boy what a stretch to make an argument – well, it's not really an argument. I think the daily explanations from the PMO about what the ads meant means they failed.

  152. Ignatieff will be PM because the MSM has decided they want him to be; they are protecting him and covering for him to ensure the truth of his character and beliefs remain a mystery

    This is PRECISELY why the Conservatives are broadcasting these ads.

    To level the playing field. And to ensure that the Liberal-loyalist Big Media doesn't help their guys steal the election like Obama did (thanks to the GOP who pulled its punches and stayed silent on Obama's very disquieting ties to criminals, communists, terrorists, racists and so on).

    Also- who really bothers to watch the news, except by accident?

    Who, on the other hand, watches shows like the three CSIs, 24, NCIS, The Ghost Whisperer (I particularly recommend that as it's conservative-friendly and very spiritually uplifting), etc… Exactly… regular folks who vote and who prefer entertainment to the "news", which just turns them off anyway. The commercials have them mesmerized just as the shows do. Not their fault; it's just the nature of TV.

    Unless you were being sarcastic, I'd say don't assume Iggy's going to be living in 24 Sussex.

  153. Great Post.

    Best line..

    "If he's lucky, he'll read a Macleans article while he's waiting at the dentist, and even then it will be 5 months old."

    LMAO, so true.

    For what it is worth, this was a good leak to Wells from the LPC. But it just shows the LPC is in no shape to mess with the Conseratives when it comes to money.

  154. Well, wasn't that a mature response. How about those donations to Harper that he won't divulge? Was it from the US Republican party? We could all go on trying to dig up dirt – not hard.

    What about the abuse of the ten percenters? 13 by Mid-May is a little much for taxpayers to pay wouldn't you say?

  155. the tory rats are really whing tonight.

  156. the LPC is in no shape to mess with the Conseratives when it comes to money.

    That's because the Liberals are on the other side of the House now. Sulking and pouting at being unable to steal anywhere near as much as they believe they're entitled to. And to add injury to injury, hardly anyone donates to them these days…

  157. the tory rats are really whing tonight.

    Heh. Another panicky, pseudo-literate Liberal. My friend opposite, please learn to capitalize the beginnings of sentences. And it's spelled "whining". Thank you.

    Funny, I didn't realize I came acorss as whiny… I don't feel like there's anything to whine about… 'cause I'm not a Liberal. :)

  158. Oh I.C statements from the Kennedy School? etc, we know how accurate these quotes are, we see this kind of false inacurate information daily in CPC statements. Too bad these truth seekers weren't as dilligent when they attributed speeches to Harper that turned out to plagiarized .

    This info confirms that you and Wayne are planted CPC hackers

    Perhaps we should check out all the remarks attributed to Harper before he entered politics. Remember in his rise through the politica ranks Mulroney was Harper's mentor, Harper relied on his tutelage & judgement, to show him the way, we know how honerable that was. Perhaps the reason why he is now descending.

    BTW unlike Harper who skipped from party to party trying to find someone with his distorted mantra. Ignatieff;s father, & back to his maternal grandfather have all served Canada with honour and distinction. He comes from a long line of proud Canadians.

  159. Yeah Right !!!

  160. A convincing argument. You could also put your fingers in your ears and go "laaa laaa laaa laaa"

  161. What was Michael using, Bruce? Have you gone back to check the context of the quote for yourself, or does fact-checking something that tends to escape the grasp of the typical whatever you are?

  162. On topic,

    “a constructive, comprehensive and focused response to the personal attacks on [the party's] Leader

    by instead addressing the Harper Conservatives' failed approach to the economic crisis and refusal to adopt the Liberal EI plan.”

    -failed approach to the economic crisis?

    'Canada in better shape than most, IMF says', May 22/09

    http://www.thestar.com/business/article/638770

    -refusal to adopt the Liberal EI plan?

    first off, it is a Dipper plan that Libs attached themselves to

    secondly, an ad is not an election, did Iffy just walk down another hill?

  163. as soon as I finish my piece of cheese I might whing some more. PS: I would rather be a conservative rodent over that of a liberal puffin anyday.

  164. It's a good idea. It can't hurt the Liberals to have a heavier war-chest.

    Unless, of course, you hold out hope for a politics without advertising barrages outside of the writ periods or personal attacks.

    Then we're screwed.

  165. good point and the IMF seems to have confirm exactly what harper has been saying now for months.

  166. Canadian Sentinel"

    "And it's spelled “whining”. Thank you.

    Funny, I didn't realize I came acorss …"

    It's spelled "across." Thank you.

  167. C'mon, it was worth a smile at least.

  168. Whatever it is(I thank every day the LPC is in oppistion, they stole my money they will never get my vote),bottom line the LPC don't have a sniff how to respond.

    So they talk about how great they are doing on fundraising, so good on the LPC. It took them losing a majority to losing two elections, and Iggy's own words delivered by the CPC, to relize tht they might want to think about the raising money.

    The problem for iggy is, the CPC just knee caped iggy's biggist asset. Everytime he talks about who he knows in the US, John and Jane Canadian will think about these ads..

  169. ''move the implementation of the fundraising plan forward from Sept. 1 to June 1''

    Does that mean Libs were caught unprepared, thinking PMSH would 'not dare' to unleash truth ads until late in this year?

    The LPC does not have an up and running fundraising plan,

    no advertising plan either, I assume?

    So sometime in June, likely after the June 17 report,

    Liberals will put their 'response to the Harper ads' into action (5 weeks later).

    Is the CPC supposed to wait until after the LPC attack ads,

    before coming out with another series of truth ads…because I am sure the MSM will be very unhappy if the CPC slings mud, out of turn!

  170. Sure, whatever you say Estelle.

  171. Of course they are saying what PM Harper has been saying. We will be coming out of this mess before the next election. I suggest you just enjoy the media being wrong.

    Was Wells not singing the praises of David Dodge(who is now working with the liberals) just recently. 09 will still be tough, but by summer/10 we will be on the up swing. And then you will have the media saying PM Harper was dumb to use so much stimulus..

  172. Did any Liberal sheeple ever read Gomery's two reports on the Sponsorship Scandal?

  173. Look in the mirror Bruce.

    Not such an idiot, many men lost their jobs, and were forced to look outside Canada for employment in this specialized field. Talk about brain drain.

    The Arrow was way ahead of its time and Canada's prestige at the time was soaring world wide. It went down the toilet never to recover.

    My brother who is an aero space engineer was forced to go to the US. for work, there was nothing left here. The Tories sold out everytime to the US rather than promote Canada. No wonderthe US looks down on us as poor country cousins.

    Google, and look at the Tory fiascos.

  174. You must be at the bottom of your script you are beginning to repeat yourself.

  175. Right On Paul, with this lot an aspirin will do.

    I plan to vote again, when the time comes and I hope every eligible voter will "move their bloomin' arse" and exercize their franchise this time. We can't afford the same mistake again.

  176. Where did I speak to this before on this thread Estelle?

  177. Oh yes, the Conservatives are funded by the Republicans, is that all that you have? Grasping at straws? It's really easy you know, look up the quarterly filed financial reports at Elections Canada that are filed by all of the federally registered political parties.

    Answer me this, how would Ted get Diefenbaker and Sir John to testify?

  178. The Progressive Conservatives of Diefenbaker's time are not the present day Conservative Party of Canada, get over it.

  179. "every time you turn on the news or read the paper, it's Tory-bad this and Tory-bad that…"

    You know the bias in the media complaint can only take you so far, right?. Maybe, just maybe, if every time you turn on the news or read the paper, and you learn about all the bad policies that the conservatives are doing. Maybe it is actually because it is bad policy.

    Im not saying there is no news bias, there clearly is. But can I suggest for you to just pick up the remote and change the channel? For every left leaning biased news source, there is also right leaning biased news source.

    And while we are at it, lets not confuse bias in the news with journalistic integrity that choose not to just repeat talking points that were released from the PMO

  180. Judging from the number of Cons trolls in a heightened state of excitement, they must expect an election to come soon. Perhaps it will be fought over employment insurance after all.

  181. Wow, Susan. I highly suggest that you take off Harper's sweater vest, the heat must be making you say these bizarre things.

  182. Well played Jack.

  183. Huh. I guess the woman who called me tonight from the Liberal party didn't realize it was only supposed to be a memo. But then, she also missed the part where it was to start on June 1 and called on May 22. Oh well, I'm sure my contribution will still count.

  184. Why is it that whenever a Conservative tries to make a point (and I believe you in particular have done this in every post on this thread so far) they insert something about how "all taxpayers' or "The Canadian People" will or will not do/think/remember something?

    Why not express your opinion as just that, your opinion.

    And BTW, thanks for at least complaining about Iggy with something other than his time in Canada. I think you're reaching a bit, but it was refreshing.

  185. I almost wish the Conservatives could have a minority government for the next thirty years, then get a majority. Oooeee! The scandals we will uncover once everyone is dead!

  186. This is all just one big conspiracy! Rumour is Ignatieff has been secretly living here all along,

    and he'll secretly stay living here even if he loses after an election. ; )

  187. As well played as one hand clapping.

  188. It is obvious that the majority of people responding to this column are too young to know too much about the history of the Progressive Conservatives , The Reform Party ,and the Conservative Party of Canada.

    I am 85 years old and have belonged to all three Partys. I worked as a volunteer for Dieffenbaker, Joe Clarke, Preston Manning, and now Stephen Harper. A few times I voted for the Liberals. I can tell you there was very little conflict at the grassroots level when the two partys amalgamated. We worked very hard together in the last two elections. I do not know , but can guess, that a lot of effort must have gone into the merger at the top level. I was the same person with the same ideas when I voted for each of these partys. That is to say I did not grow horns when I got sick of the Mulroney years and joined The Reform Party, nor did I run down the Progressive members when I became a Conservative Party member. Preston Manning was a good honest man and the Ottawa crowd hounded him for every thing he tried to do. The same holds for Stephen Harper. I trust him. I find that some of the remarks postedj are juvenile and sarcastic. Iggy, as they call him, deserves respect as well. Checking facts before writing comments would be a good start. It is the Canadian way.

  189. Why is your response to Paul Wells a complete rejection of his reasonable request?

  190. Good points, Doris.

  191. Wayne is correct. well documented in many articles right here in macleans that the cons raised their money individuals prior to the rule changes and the libs were the ones hooked on corp donations.

    corp donations arent allwoed anymore hence the funding problem the Libs have and why they need to change.

    As for Iggy's maternal grandfather….Have you ever read anything george grant wrote? goodness he was "conservative" and actually hated liberals and Liberals. He would be so disgusted that his grandson went to the US and was head of the Liberal party.

    read up on him and read his stuff, he was considered a great "conservative" (old meaning) philosopher. The Grant side of that family is none to impressed with Mr "I" for a bunch of reasons, some of which have to do with him spilling family secrets as content for his books.

    Google Michael Valpy's article on Iggy and see the comments from the Grants……

  192. That's nice, grandma. Go back to sleep.

  193. You were donating a long time before that, when they were taking your taxes and funneling them into party coffers through ad agencies.

  194. avr, do you have an ounce of civility in your body? The woman is 86, but I highly doubt she is your grandmother. Even if she IS your grandmother, you should treat her with more respect than you have shown.

    And the kicker is, she's a Conservative! Just like you! (You are both on the same side, I mean, she is obviously nothing like you.)

  195. Too late. The Conservative ads have been running for 9 days (and the media is STILL talking about them – they have succeeded beyond most expectations). They have been running on TV during the Stanley Cup playoffs! Think of the audience! By the time the Liberals come up with the focussed response everybody will be on summer vacation and at the cottage – i,e. paying no attention to politics.

    They Liberals needed a fast and strong response on Day 2, not Month 3 after the ads came out. And this is just the first wave. By the time the Liberals raise the money and get the response ads out, the Conservatives will be on the second, third or fourth wave. PM Harper is definitely well inside Ignatieff's Boyd OODA Loop.

    And what the Liberals do not need are "Harper is a poopy-head meany" ads. They need POLICY ads. Why does Ignatieff want to be PM? What does he intend to do? What is the direction we wants the country to take? So long as Ignatieff stays silent on policy, refusing to give people a reason to vote for him, then the Conservatives will continue to hammer him on character …. elitist vain rich snob who has not paid his dues and who feels only contempt for Canadians and only came back to Canada for personal ambition and for the ego thrill of power and to burnish his intellectual credentials, etc, etc. That might appeal to Toronto social elites, who already vote Liberal and write cheques to the party, but I can tell you that out here in the hinterland, Ignatieff is not going over very well. The ads only cement existing opinions, they do not create them.

    The Wells post above tells me that Ignatieff "gets it." The money disadvantage the Liberals face is a very serious impediment to future success. It will not be solved by June 1, or by next year. It is going to take years of concentrated focussed effort to turn the fundraising around. In the meantime, they have to rely on the public subsidy. If the force an election too soon, and the Conservatives win a majority, then the public subsidy will dry up too soon to help the Liberals. Being on constant election alert means that money has to be spent on election readiness, not on putting into place a modernfundraising system that will pay dividends 3 or 4 years from now. Politically the Liberals really needed to be in oppsition facing a Conserative majority (a la 1984) to get their act together to have a realistic chance of regaining power in 4 years. Constant election jitters is not helping the Liberals.

    Ignatieff is making the same mistake Dion did. I am willing to bet that if Ignatieff said: "relax, there isn't going to be an election soon. We will oppose the government but not bring it down for four years in order for the Liberal Party to rebuild," the Conservative "attack" ads would stop.

  196. avr: I still drive, walk two miles a day, volunteer for needy causes, and it seems pretty clear that I stay up late. If you can do the same at my age I would be darned surprised . So no, I wont go to sleep but you had better wake up young man ( I can hardly see a female talking like you) and learn to be well informed citizen.

  197. Good for the Liberals!

    What have they been waiting for all these years since Chretien put the new donation rules into place? Do they honestly believe that the members of the Liberal party are going to begin donating when they, like the country, have no idea what the carpetbaqger stands for, what policies he intends to implement if elected to government and of course what does he really think about war, torture and the many other issues that he pronounced upon during his 34 years living outside the country?

    I received a fundraising letter from the Conservatives the other day and was happy to help finance the campaign to expose the real Iggy to Canadians.

    Since the media at large refuse to do the job they are paid to do then it is up to the Conservatives to help Canadians get to know the Liberal leader. The people will be the ultimate deciders of whether the truth ads have merit or not; not the media or the chattering class

    Its interesting the media are suppose to be purveyors of unbiased information so that Canadians can make up their own minds. Then why all the criticism of the Conservatives by the media. If they have no dog in the hunt why the vitriolic statements about whether the truth ads will work or not.

    Well Canadians have come to know the media for what it is. They know the media is biased and full of, arrogance who consider themselves to be an opposition party despite not having received one vote by any Canadian.

    So indeed Canadians can make up their minds without the prompting of the media and the chattering class.

  198. Good on ya, Doris!

    And may I say, the Maclean's blogs rock! From fourteen to eighty-six, Canadians are engaging here. Same old arguments over and over (and over), but every now and then a genuine discussion breaks out.

  199. Its funny reading posters comments which keep harping (no pun intended) about the in and out method of funding political campaigns.

    The Liberals had no trouble trying to create a scandal along with the help of Elections Canada who raided the offices of the Conservative party.

    All of this despite the fact that the matter was before the courts and is being tried by an independent judge who will consider all the facts in a non partisan way.

    It shows how desperate the Liberal supporters are at finding fault with the policies of the government and have to resort to an issue that is part of a court proceeding as a talking point.

    Pathetic really!

  200. "Well Canadians have come to know the media for what it is."

    Yet again, a Conservative kindly blankets *his* (or her, what's a hollinm?) opinion on everyone in the country.

  201. Except none of it was true. However, don't let the truth get in the way. Continue to be impressed. Yikes!

    Who supported the stimulus plan? A certain carpetbagger who in exchange for his support only asked for three reports to parliament. He must have thought the budget was pretty good. Who is prepared to bring down the government over changing EI premiums so that those that are gainfully employed can support for a year those that have worked for 10 weeks? A certain patrician, elitist visitor to Canada. Cost to empolyees and employers a cool $1.5 billion in additional payroll taxes.

    No action plan on the economy? How is spending $84 billion over the next five years not a plan? Not high enough? Elect a Liberal government and you can double that figure by the time they implement all their leftist socialist policies.

    There is no reflection on immigrants in the truth ads. It is about one person who only came back to his country so he could become prime minister despite having worked and lived 34 years outside the country. Its all pure Liberal spin. After all he has to say something even if he has to lie which is not a problem for Liberals.

  202. How did Canadians send a message to Harper about attack ads? Apparently according to Liberals and the media the attack ads hurt Dion's leadership. By the way the media were saying the same thing about the attack ads when they came out on Dion. We all saw how that worke didn't we?

    If as you say they sent a message to Harper in the last election it sure was subtle. Almost a majority government and reducing the Liberal to 77 seats. Keep up the spin though. It is making your comments look foolish.

    The fact is the Liberal party lost seats in Ontario and Quebec elected the same number of Liberals the last time out. Quebec is toying with the Count and when push comes to shove they will run back to the Bloc because they perceive that they are the only ones who speak for Quebec.

    Nice try though.

  203. Where did you see the explanations for the ads? Oh I know in Liberal la la land.

  204. parnel where have you been? Were you banned on Nik's blog?

  205. If this is all you can to the discussion you should take your own advice.

  206. In fact when there was talk of attack ads several months ago Warren Kinsella predicted that the media would help the Liberals out. Turns out its true.

  207. parnel…you haven't changed at all. Still mean and nasty. Only thing Liberals are good at is name calling..

  208. Just the facts m'am…just the facts. Take it or leave it. If politicians think they can talk about Canadians all the time I certainly have the right to do so as well.

  209. Have you ever considered these 'truth' attack ads were meant not to convince Canadians that Iggy is NOT worthy to be Canada's PM …. but that they were aimed at the BobRae Lefty Liberals who must be groaning under the leadership of somebody who was a stone cold Thatcherite when living in the UK and a Bushbot supporter when in the USA..???

    Surely Iggy does not represent Liberal or Canadian values after his 34 year odyssey away from Canada, and with no intentions of returning until his UCC-Bay Street friends convinced him to return to take a shot at the Liberal leadership post-Martin and then inherit the prime ministership of Canada in one fell swoop?!

    BobRae must be labouring in utter angst and frustration, watching Iggy botching up as he tries to learn Canadian politics with on-the-job training at the expense of the Liberal organization and future prospects. Chretien and his lapdog BobRae have publicly proclaimed their preference for a snap June election .. prolly to get rid of Iggy after he is shot down in flames.

    These attack ads not only back Iggy up against the wall and force him to read the writing thereon, it also corners the Lefty Liberals who are forced to bide there time and depend on Harper to shove the proverbial political knife into the Iggy Beast …!!!!

  210. Just like the 2nd time around with ad hominem attacks and sweater-boy façade, the Harper Conservatives are following in the footsteps of the Harris Conservatives in Ontario. I predict the results will be similarly disappointing for Mr. Harper and his caucus of seals.

    PS. 5th paragrah: "proroguation"?

  211. Oh pleassssssse hollinm you don't know your arse from your elbow, expose the real iggy for who he is?

    And who and what is Harper? Certainly not the person he portrays himself to be to the public. He got us involved in a war that doesn't concern us and is now costing us billions before it is through and for what? To impress the Americans who he really wants to be! We thought Mulroney was trying to sell us to the US, just what is it Harper is trying to do! It amazes me the ignornance and the arrogance of people, the Conservatives have got us in a war we shouldn't be in, going to be paying for till way after our great grandchildren are have grandchildren and the all the while blaming the Liberals for everything, they took their eyes off the economy if they were ever really paying attention to it in the first place and look where we are now, smack dab in the middle of recession which they denied was happening till Harper almost lost his job. Now who is the smart one now? I say the canadian people need to know who the real Harper is before he has us buried in so much garbage we suffocate to death. Paul Martin was probably the best finance minister there ever was, we would have been out of debt by now had he had the support he should have had. What have the conservatives really done since they came to semi power?

    Not a heck of a lot and likely won't either!!

  212. Does ANYONE outside Ottawa care about this bs?

  213. I say we just keep letting the CON-gurgatators cluck amongst themselves. Some of their lies are funny. And it keeps them from bugging poor Doris for her pension check.

  214. What war did Harper get us involved in? The war in Afghanistan was declared and started by the previous Liberal government. How's that for ignorance… You liberals can't even take credit for your own wars! Somehow the conservative opposition at the time must have been responsible.

    And while I do agree with bringing the war to a close as fast as possible, there is still a war going on and a mission to complete. We took on a responsibility to NATO and to Afghanistan, I think it's only right we live up to our responsibilities.

    And as far as the recession goes, I'm sure you haven't noticed it's a global recession. When the economy of our major trading partners tank, it's going to hit us as well. That's not Harper's fault, and it wouldn't be the fault of the Liberals if they were in power either.

    All that can be done is to lessen the blow as much as possible and recover strong. Seeing as the country still has an operational surplus, no banks have failed, there's been no government bailouts and the economy is still (compared to the rest of the world) in good shape, I'd say Harper's done the best he can with a crappy situation. Once the global markets start rebounding, we're in a very good position to come out of it in good shape. That's really all you can hope for in a scenario like this.

  215. Let's hope that the Liberal's don't respond to Harper's cheap attack ads with more of the same. If I was donating to a political party, I wouldn' t be too impressed to see my money going to funding these types of ads. I think I could find a better place to spend my money. I think the Liberals should take another look at investing in the green economy. Pick up this week's Actualité and you will see that President Obama is about to make a large investment in the green economy – the economy of the future. The Americans will have a substantial head start on our country in this area and may emerge as world leaders. Unfortunately, I don't see the conservative government showing much interest this area.

  216. 1. Harper wanted Canada to send troops to Iraq, and would have if he had been PM at that time. Thank God for Chretien, he refused, the only western country to do so, history has proved he was right.

    2. The Liberals didn't start the war in .Afghanistan, the US did, Canada was initially there with UN peacekeepers, as we have been in various other places around the world, they only escalated to a more military role under Harper. And while I support our troops, mourn & deplore the lost lives, I fear we are in an un-winable war.

    3. When Harper forced another speedy election on to us, Going against his own legislation that said the govenment couldn't call an election for their own political gain, in a selfish attempt for a majority, 'HE' apparently didn't notice that Canada and the rest of the world was falling into recession, His exact quote, "This country will not go into a recession" our economy is fine. If he and Flaherty had not frittered away the large surplus he inherited from the Liberals and put us into a deficit position,in an attempt to get votes, there would have been more cash to fight the recession.. His latest quote is 'the deficit will go as large as it has to., perhaps to disguise how big a deficit we already have.

    BTW, the reason. our banks are OK is thanks to Martin, who, with Chretien, reined them in & refused to let then follow the US banking industry.

    Take off your blinders lady. You may be OK, but a huge number of Canadians are out of work and struggling to support their families, with no help from the present government. who will force yet another election on us over EI in an attempt to hold on, as their credibility goes down the toilet. so back to the attack ads, but it won't work this time, no one likes a bully.

  217. Well that's just silly. How many Canadians voted for you to represent them, on the Maclean's blogs or elsewhere? Every MP has at least some Canadians giving him/her the right to speak for them.

  218. Let's hope that the Liberal's don't respond to Harper's cheap attack ads with more of the same.

    Thank you!

    U agree wholeheartedly, and it's why I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, I think that a heavier war-chest can only improve the Liberals' chances, and the prospects of a centre-left government makes me squee with joy. On the other hand, I would hate to see more acts like this coming from the Liberal side. I don't want the 24-hour 365 day election campaign that the United States seems to have. If they responded with an ad similar to the Youtube video that Ignatieff posted, (shorter, of course) then that's fine.

    But I don't want to see more gutter politics.

    I think the Liberals should take another look at investing in the green economy

    Hell yeah! If it's suddenly become okay to spend money that we don't have and that is basically coming from myself, my children and grandchildren,why not spend it where it could do the most good?

    Windsor, Brantford, Hamilton, London, Sarnia- all of the cities in Southern Ontario where a large chunk of hte population was employed by the manufacturing industry- could become the centre of a new technology. Create jobs in economically depressed Southwestern Ontario, boost the economy, save the planet. Sounds like a good idea to me.

    Now if only my name rhymed with "Even Larper"

  219. "I can't type."

    Sophia G

    I have the same 'itis' as you it appears. I read my comment before hitting 'submit comment' and don't see any mistakes. Once it is posted, I read it again and see my comment was in fact riddled with typos. Do you experience this?

    I just read your's and Don's comment about government investing in green economy. I am working this morning on writing something about electric cars vs hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and it provides good example of why government should not really get involved. Obama and his admin seem to be focusing on developing electric cars, while not paying much attention to fuel cells, and this appears be a colossal mistake because hydrogen technology could be much more efficient and practical.

    I would prefer government to offer massive reward/payment for first person to come up with solution to designated problems. For instance, the government could offer $50 million to the first person to develop engine that does not run on gas but performs just as well or light bulb that's like current bulbs but uses 75% less electricity or whatever. There are lots of people out there who like to tinker and would probably figure something out if the right incentives were in place.

  220. I hear what you're saying about letting the government decide the technology for the future, myl, and I can't argue with it, but if I were tinkering with something that could revolutionize our energy inputs or outputs, first of all I'd probably need money to get from tinkering to something that demonstrably works (i.e., a piece of paper with drawings on it probably wouldn't qualify for any reward). I could spend my time finding a venture capitalist to get on board, but they aren't exactly a dime a dozen and the more time I spend looking for one, the less I am tinkering on the revolutionary idea. So while a government reward at the end of it all is a nice thing, it doesn't get me from here to there. Also, would this reward come with, say, the patent rights, or would I have to give those up to keep the reward? Hmmm, not even sure which way I'd want the answer to go right now, unless its some kind of hybrid sharing of the rights.

    Scotland seems to have a lottery that uses the money raised to fund this sort of thing. Of course, you are left with the same bureaucratic hoops to jump through in order to qualify for a grant. And R&D tax credits, while better than not having R&D tax credits, seems to me to be incredibly (expensively) document heavy–and of course they don't work at all for some guy in his garage or basement.

    So, we have identified the need, we have decided (okay, you and me and Sophie and Don) it is worthy of taxpayer dollars, we just need to determine the best mechanism to deliver, minimizing waste as best as possible.

  221. And of course I meant jwl, not myl. I guess I couldn' believe I was agreeing with jwl on anything at all!

  222. Great for the Conservatives! Keep up that garbage, and it will get you to the same place that the attack ads against Gordon Campbell got the NDP here in the recent election….won handily by that same Gordon Campbell. Thankfully ensuring a further 4 year term of responsible government for British Columbia. Iggy rules! And the Harper gang is scared to death of him. And rightly so!

  223. I have the same ‘itis' as you it appears. I read my comment before hitting 'submit comment' and don't see any mistakes. Once it is posted, I read it again and see my comment was in fact riddled with typos. Do you experience this?

    I have dial-up, so I can see my comment for a minute or so after hitting 'submit', and that's exactlywhat happens- I read it over before I hit 'submit', and in the time between submission and its appearance on the site, I realize that there are six or seven typos.

    I think that the government needs to get involved, because Lord only knows that the private sector has shown little interest in really changing anything. I agree with your comments about incentives, but I do feel that there are other ways that the government could get involved. One of the biggest stumbling blocks in the way of industry changing over to greener ways is the initial cost. Perhaps if the government 'kick-started' the process through a program like you suggest and heavy subsidies for changing to greener technology, the private sector could then run with it.

  224. Folks? Take a valium? ‘kthanx.

    Hmm… sounds like a "LOLcat" caption. :)

  225. Oops, so it IS spelled "across". Sheeesh- I hate it when I have the same brainfart as the other guys! LOL

  226. Easy. Ignorance of proper writing practices. I deem such ignorance and laziness to be "pseudo-literacy". The good news is that it can be remedied via the application of one's brain and efforts.

  227. There is no lack of policy. It was discussed at length in Vancouver for 4 days last month. Chretian called for an early election because he is says Harper take credit for the Olympics, just like he has taken credit for everything else the Liberals have done (like good banking regulation, elimination of the defecit, ongoing surplusses, cleaning up the last Conservative mess, etc. etc.)

    Harper will say anything – he has a certain economy with the truth. Ignatieff's creditentials are very impressive and Harper should be scared. Ignatieff is so much more intelligent, thoughtful, attractive and he has a good team working for him (unlike all those thirty-somethings who are running the PMO). Ignatieff has a moral compass instead of the 125 reasons or so Harper has provided to enure that Canadians don't trust him.

    Harper is toast, it is only a matter of time.

  228. yes – all of us in British Columbia

  229. The problem with you, jwl, is that you're an idiot. Hydrogen isn't "more efficient and practical" because it's not a source of energy, it's just a means of transporting energy, at least until you discover those hydrogen mines in your backyard that are going to make you rich.

    Your assumption that you know better than teams of dedicated and highly educated professionals who have dedicated their careers to thinking about the energy problem would be laughable enough even if you were halfway informed, but becomes rather more pathetic considering you're completely ignorant of the issues at hand.

    So actually your post is a good example of why nobody should listen to people like you, because not only have you not taken the time to familliarize yourself with the issue, even in the broadest terms, but you assume that your pithy and wildly incorrect reading of the situation is the only one that makes sense.

  230. when Volpe is concerned, there is no such thing as a cheap shot imho

  231. i like cheap shots ;-)

  232. lonely? ;-)

  233. 'Canuckistanian, you did read my entire comment, right?"

    no. i also tend to not stop and gawk at nutters on the street corner yelling: "the liberal media bias is coming to kill us!!!!"

    "The Tories need to do these ads because they don't have free partisan advertising (via the Liberal-friendly, Tory-unfriendly Big Media) like the Liberals do."

    the earnestness is cute though.

  234. "I thank every day the LPC is in oppistion, they stole my money they will never get my vote)"

    the bastards! if only we could have honest uncorruptible conservatives in gov't…you know, like brian mulroney ;-)

  235. especially when acting as the hall moniter for the english language ;-D

  236. "Judging from the number of Cons trolls in a heightened state of excitement"

    these ads were more for troop morale than anything else.

  237. what a disgusting comment. if this was my blog, that would have been your last comment.

  238. i have a hard time staying up 'til 11:30 and i'm in my mid-twenties ;-). keep 'em coming doris, your comment was probably the only one worth reading out of the last 200.

  239. i'm in BC, and no we don't care. sue must live in the boring parts ;-)

  240. Fell better after that rant about nothing in particular?

    I will make sure to tell the folks at Honda that the FCX they have been testing in real world conditions in California for over a year won't work and they should listen to nd who thinks the auto czar is some kind of expert in 'energy' but is actually just a financier and bagman for Dems who's making automakers build cars that are not practical and few want.

  241. Just so you know Iggy left his wife for his new wife, yes, he had an extramarital affair, so in my book his morals don't count! Abandoning your children is not right!

  242. Try Tory Corn Cob Bob – making silly explanations.

  243. Idiot is not Paul wells!!

  244. Let me tell you, I've been inspired the by the Ignatieff Liberals, and likewise by the Tory ads. I decided to help out by fundraising myself, and today alone I've enrolled two Victory Fund members and raised a further $420.00 in donations for the Libs.

    Thanks again, Harper! You're helping to make the strongest Liberal Party ever.

  245. I agree strongly that the Conservative attack ads are garbage and in the end will backfire on them and propel the Liberals back into power. I can't wait for that day.

    How can Harper justify spending time and money on this slander when Canadians are losing their jobs and homes by the thousands. But, that is conservatism for you.

    Harper has done nothing useful since he was elected and has shown that he is interested in one thing only – power.

    – He promised a more open and transparent government but he has practiced secrecy in the exteme. There is far less information available now than ever before.

    – Our MPs are strictly controlled and not allowed to speak their minds. Only Harper's opinions are of any value.

    – The first environment policy that the Harper government introduced made Canada a laughing stock around the world and was quickly withdrawn.

    – Harper tried to deny there was a financial crisis in the first place and, even now, refuses to provide any meaningful assistance. The money that was approved is only trickling out.

    – Harper introduced a do nothing budget that he was forced to change. Included in that was the vindictive proposal to eliminate funding for political parties. Eliminate the opposition rather than dealing with it.

    – He refuses to improve the EI system, in terms of easier access and the amounts paid out. This one I know about first hand and the amount you recieve and the length of time you recieve it are both pathetic.

    So, heres hoping that the Liberals will soon be back in power so that we can be rid of the fools we have running the government now.

  246. I would like to be a liberal because I'd be able to redefine reality to my own specifications. I could turn failure into success, murder into choice, lies into 'misstatements', and theft into investment. I would automatically be considered wise, instead of opinionated. Best of all, I could make up the rules as I go along, change them in midstream and then demonize anyone who doesn't agree with me.

  247. you think it is easy to be unintentionally ironic?

  248. "Pseudo-" means "lying" or "misleading." The word you want is "illiteracy."

  249. Don't get me wrong here. I'm not all too hot on Iggy pop. He worries me. Not because he lived in the States and taught at Harvard or called Britain his home once. After all, if I lived there for even a week I'd be calling it home during that time too. What worries me is that he's been tainted by American politics. It's hard to be a Harvard professor and not be tainted by them.

    I am heartened by his response to the latest volley of public mud slinging and to the fact that he quickly learned that we are most assuredly not Americans and don't participate or allow the same things in our politics. I.E. His comments on Ukrainians.

    But let's be honest. Stephen Harper is as low as Mulroney. And neither of them is Joe Clark or Preston Manning. Those two I actually like. Neither was given much of a chance by their own parties, and both had extreme trouble navigating the waters as a result. But both were fine, excellent Conservatives. Embodying what Conservatism is all about. Harper doesn't even come close. He's not a Conservative he's a Republican who envisions Canada rising like Rome. And let's face it, we all know why that was a bad idea without requiring to learn it in high school.

    The 'Iggy's an American who's here for vacation' advertisements have a very obvious point. Don't pay attention to me, don't pay attention to my ties (and parties ties) to Mulroney, instead look at how horrible Iggy is. It's the Fox News at it's best. The one who screams loudest is not only right, but the one everyone listens to most.

  250. Wait. If you want to do all that shouldn't you be a Conservative instead? Then you could declare it a "good time to buy" during a stock market crash affecting billions. Insist that you're a "good and honest" guy while having reneged on massive campaign promises. Take hundreds of thousands of dollars of bribe money and insist that the real bad guy is "Slim Shady". Oh and then when you get bored of your job you can appoint an obvious scapegoat so you can distance yourself from the damage you did.

    Yup, sounds like you want to be a Conservative alright…but then you'd say that you want to be a Liberal even if you did want to be a Conservative. It's the Conservative way.

  251. 25 million? Who in their right mind pulled this unreachable number? Ken Lewenza must be on their fundraising board!

  252. I'd like to be a liberal because then I'd be rewarded for all my shortcomings and nothing would ever be my fault. I'd be an important cog in the wheel of social justice, and a cherished warrior in the current fight for equality.

  253. In return, I'll be accepted, popular, and invited to the best parties. I'll be eligible for the right to housing, health care, a living wage (even if I don't work) and happiness. And as long as I remain a liberal, no-one is allowed to insult me. How cool is that?

  254. Best of all, I'll be able to atone for my sins by merely paying Algore for a few carbon credits. Then, I would live happily ever after. Isn't that worth sacrificing such ethereal and frivolous notions like freedom, individualism and principles?

  255. Nice nuance, Canuckistanian. Good training/experience with this sort of communication, apparently. Good for you.

  256. And when they put out attack ad after attack ad is it any wonder why we have a hard time warming up to him?

    Well, Mike, if you consider informative ads to be "attack ads", then you don't have to warm up to anyone at all who generously offers you information.

    Right. Offering unavailable-from-the-Big-Media information about a man who's demanding our votes to tell us what we can and can't do… that's always an "attack". Sure. Alrighty.

    Liberals call truth an "attack ad". Notice they don't call the substance of the ads "lies"; they don't dispute that Ignatieff said what he's said to have said. Poor Liberals, caught with their pants down again, trying to paint the innocent passerby who called police as a pervert or something.

    And when Liberals do attack ads to spread lies about soldiers on the streets in Canada, well, who then can take Liberals seriously when they accuse others of broadcasting "attack ads"? How are the Conservatives "attacking" Mr. Ignatieff by simply telling us what he said, particularly shocking things that demonstrate his mentality and ideological instability, two critical considerations to be taken into account before making a final voting decision. After all, we don't want a stark raving madman ruling over us, do we?

    I guess our teachers and professors weren't giving us information after all. They were just giving us "attack ads". Oh, well. No wonder we're all so totally messed up, eh?

    Surely the reasonable person understands that the ads the Conservatives are running are actually contributing to and enhancing the democratic process by adding critical, voter-decision-making-enhancing information to the mix that was previously unavailable due to a desire on the part of a powerful, partisan, ideological few to withhold such information from the electorate with a view to manipulating more voters into voting for the person or persons they're protecting from inconvenient truth.

    The People will appreciate the Conservative contribution, as they know that the Big Media isn't telling them a gosh-darned thing about Ignatieff and the Liberals.

  257. I think how any sane person would define an attack ad would be where the purpose was for one side to attack the other. Which is clearly the case here. And despite, whether they use truth or lies, whether it be soldiers in the streets or claiming that the leader of a political party was a slot machine (that was the purpose of that one right?), it is still an attack ad.

    It is not, however much you wish it were, a PSA for Canadians.

    For example, by reading your comments, I am concerned about how delusional you are. If I were to buy air time on tv and quote the ridiculous things you have been said on this blog. That would be an attack ad, regardless of the fact that I may be speaking the truth.

    And one more thing…

    "The people will appreciate the Conservative contribution…"

    The fact that you could even consider writing this down about an attack ad, makes me ill. I know a good number of conservatives, people that are better than I, and smarter than I. There are even examples of people on this blog to that effect. But none of them would be proud about this attack ad. To the very least, they would consider it a necessary evil. They would not consider it a contribution to the conservative movement.

  258. Patricia Fallis…I am afraid it is you who doesn't know "your arse" from you elbow. Let's set the record straight.

    -Chretien and the Liberal party committed Canada to the war in Afghanistan and Paul Martin put Canada in the killing fields of Kandahar. Harper continued what Canada was committed to under the Afghan Pact. It is easy to get into a war but very difficult to pull out as we can see. Canada's international reputation would have been destroyed if we had unilaterally pulled out. The fact is Harper had the courage to say the combat mission will end in 2011.

    -Once again you are dreaming in Liberal la la land. The recession was not caused by anything the Conservative government did. So change your talking points because you obviously don't understand what is happening in the world. The U.S. caused the recession and if it had not taken place we would have been just fine. I guess you don't like keeping more of your own money, seeing the military with more funding, seeing higher equalization payments, more funding for the provinces for education, health and social benefits etc. You are simply blowing smoke. Recent reports from Goldman Sachs and the IMP say that Canada, Australia and the U.S. will come out of the recession first. Most economics and Canadians believe that Harper is doing a good job with a very difficult economy.

    -Harper warned in his 2007 year end interviews that 08 was going to be a more difficult year than the previous years but nobody and I repeat nobody anticipated the sub prime mortgage fiasco in the U.S. and how it would spread so quickly around the world causing the housing and financial markets to collapse. Dion ran around in the election saying there would be no deficit under his watch. So I guess he was stupid as well.

    -"Buried us in so much garbage?….what in the hell are you talking about. You better give examples. Otherwise it is just rhetoric and really doesn't mean anything.

    -I am glad the Liberals got the deficit covered. However, I would remind you that the deficit was covered by cuts to federal programs, military spending and transfers to the provinces for education, healthcare and taking of the $54 billion EI surplus. The ability of the Chretien Liberals to cover the deficit was set by…wait for it….Brian Mulroney who introduced the GST and Free Trade. That set Canada on the recored to unprecedented prosperity and the Liberals got the benefit. By the way I would remind you that Chretien lied to the Canadian people when he said he would axe the tax (GST) and renegotiate free trade.

    -Out of debt? Obviously you don't know the debt Canada is holding right now. It is somewhere in the order of $600 billion. There is no way Martin would have repaid the debt by now. However, the deficit was covered and surpluses have been enjoyed by the country since 1998 because of the Liberals high tax policy.

    -If you like I can go through the list of accomplishments of the Conservative government since coming to office. This while in a minority situation with the Libeals threatening an election every other day.

  259. Of course they are attack ads. Not…they are truth ads reflecting what the Count has said in his many years of verbal diarrhea.

    Iggy has worked 34 year of his adult life in other countries. I never heard of him before he came back to Canada. That's how much of a profile he had with ordinary Canadians. So why did he come back?

    He came back, not for any love of country, but because the back room boys of the Liberal party promised him the leadership and potentially the job of PM. Nothing more, nothing less.

    The media, while repeating every controversial statement made by Harper when he was in the private sector, refuse to put any pressure on the Count to explain himself more precisely. Why did he support the war in Iraq and virtually any position taken by the Republican party in the States? What is his real position on torture? What would he do differently than Harper if he were PM during this recession (careful that's what tripped up Mr. Dion)? What is his real position on the oil sands? What is his position on taxation? In fact he has changed his position on most things that he has publicly talked about. To date none of the media has really forced him to answer some tough questions. All we get from them is puff pieces on how he is a descendant of royalty, how intellectual he is blah, blah, blah. I could give a rat's ass about any of this stuff. Help me to understand where he would lead the country if he is elected.

    Obviously you are not watching the news. Canada has agreed with the new emission standards for the auto industry announced by the messiah in the States. The States will probably announce a cap and trade system and Prentice agreed that a North American cap and trade system is possible.

    Unfortunately for the Liberals the environment will not be an issue that they can hammer the Conservatives in the coming months.

    Harper was right. For Canada to unilaterally introduce environmental standards that would make Canada uncompetitive in the U.S. would have been a disaster for the Canadian economy. Can you imagine a carbon tax taking place in this environment and the impact it would have had on the living standard of the middle class and businesses?

    Show me the technologies that are available to replace oil today. I mean today. Not 5 years down the road. Thought so.

  260. Oh get off your high horse. Canada is a country of 33 million people. There are 308 MPs. Those MPs do not and I repeat do not speak for all their constituents. Constituents are not monolithic in what they think.

    If you listen to all the politicians they are always saying Canadians think this that or the other thing. They have no idea what all Canadians think on a given subject at any point in time.

    You must be real desperate if this is the only point you can take exception to.

  261. How can you be scared of an enigma? Anything the Count has said he has generally retracted within 48 hours.

    Remember the Liberal partisans and the media denounced the ads showing Dion not to be a leader and everybody said they would not work. Well, Canadians do watch the ads and they make up their own minds as to whether they have an element of truth. In Iggys case they absolutely do have that element of truth and the Liberals are terrified of their potential impact.

    Running videos on You Tube simply confirm that the Liberals are in desperate shape financially and so Iggy and his syncophants can scream till the cows come home but I would suggest this is just the beginning of the ads. If the media don't want to ask the tough questions of the patrician Iggy his political competitors sure will.

    I don't know about the negative ads in B.C. but I suspect Campbell won not because people didn't like the negative ads but because he was deemed to be the most competent person to run the province.

    Likewise Harper is being credited by economists and the financial chattering class for managing the economy well during this difficult time. Canadians do not tend to throw out a government who is felt to be doing a good job managing the economy.

  262. Sue: well don't hide your light under a bushel! Let Canadians know what your policies are then and maybe your leader will have some credibility.

    Trouble is the policies passed at the convention are probably not the platform the Count will show for the election. Once again the membership has little say what the party does anymore.

    How juvenile. Call an election which will cost the taxpayers $300 million because Harper is taking credit for the Olympics. Come on the old war horse Chretien can do better than that.

    Of course the Liberals are great. They steal from the hard working taxpayers of Canada but no problem after all they are Liberals and they are entitled to their entitlements.

    Once again Liberals want to portray the deficit as the Mulroney deficit when anybody who knows anything about politics knows it was Trudeau with Chretien (as Finance Minister) who started the deficit binge back in the 70's etc. Mulroney didn't have the courage to take the action necessary but all that is history.

    If you are calling the PM a liar then you had better give examples. What are Iggy's qualifications to be PM? Does he know anything about economics? I doubt it. What are his real views on the war in Iraq and his support of all things Republcian in the States? What is his real position on torture? Does he or doesn't he believe in it? Does he believe in higher taxes for Canadians? What does he think of the oil sands? What is his environmental policy? You get my drift.

    So what are his credentials. How do you know Iggy is more intelligent than Harper. Because Iggy wrote some books, was a TV host in England and taught Human Rights at Harvard. Is this what makes you think Iggy is more intelligent? Attractive? Surely you are not talking about physical appearance are you?

    How do you know that the PMO is full of 30 somethings. Then by extension you must mean Iggy is surrounded by a bunch of old men. While that is true that does not make them any better than the people working in the PMO.

    Iggy has a moral compass? Well tell me how you know that? Are you related? Tell me the 125 reasons or so Harper has given Canadians not to trust him. I smell spin here.

  263. Which only makes it harder to understand why you think you can speak for all Canadians, hollinm. I only bring it up because I've been noticing lately that a large number of Conservative posters are telling us what Canadians want/think. I'm just saying, state your opinion, it is worthy enough to stand on its own, isn't it?

  264. "…how intellectual he is blah, blah, blah. I could give a rat's ass about any of this stuff. "

    Well said. You don't need to be smart to run a country, such an overrated skill.

    "Show me the technologies that are available to replace oil today. I mean today. Not 5 years down the road. Thought so."

    I'm curious to your arbitrary choice of 5 years. If there was a form of energy that we able to use to replace oil in 5 years, I would say lets invest in that technology now, become world leaders in it, and prosper. But to go back to your point, of course it is impossible to name the technology that will replace oil, we dont know it (except perhaps if I were to consult my Ouija board). That is why we research these things. And sure, government directed research is not the most efficient thing, but in the absence of private enterprise looking for the solution, there is no practical alternative.

  265. Ah…just like a Liberal to take a point out of context and spin it for all it is worth.

    The point being telling people that somebody is intellectual does not make them intellectual. It needs to be supported by facts. The media and Liberal syncophants say he is intellectual. Saying it doesn't make it so.

    On the environment. I picked 5 years arbitrarily because to argue that we should stop our dependence on oil today doesn't make sense. Well, if you want to do that how? There is no switch that can be turned on to allow us to stop using fossil fuels today. The technology simply isn't there. Adding taxes i.e. carbon tax only hurts the ordinary people because businesses would simply pass the cost on to consumers with no assurance that the money will be used to develop new technologies. Look at Dion's carbon tax. Billions put aside to fight child poverty. Great but how does that help develop new technologies for environmental sustainability.

  266. "The point being telling people that somebody is intellectual does not make them intellectual. It needs to be supported by facts."

    FACT: He has a PHD (and other honorary doctorates)

    FACT: He taught at Cambridge, Oxford, and Harvard

    I dont know what more facts you would like, I'm not aware of any organization that certifies the term 'intellectual' so that you can have the designation by your name. But I would imagine, any rational being would say that he is one.

    No one (and by that I am excluding irrational people) are arguing about stopping oil dependence today. They are saying it should happen in the future. And as you so shrewdly observed there is no switch. Therefore, research in technology must take place prior to that.

    And I also would hate to break it to you, but a cap and trade policy (and im speaking of a meaningful one) could also increase costs on to the consumer because businesses have to buy the permits to pollute the carbon emissions. The difference in the two essentially is that one has the term "tax."

    "Great but how does that help develop new technologies for environmental sustainability."

    Well that is the beauty of either a carbon tax or cap and trade. We get to harness the power of the free market! Businesses have less of an incentive to pollute, which then means that they will actively look for ways to reduce costs and create new technologies for environmental sustainability.

  267. Impressive rhetoric, "Stephen". You've obviously been trained well and have had plenty of practice at this.

    Nevertheless, it's apparent that readers will see it as a case of differing viewpoints, yours and mine.

    And I'm afraid that directly attacking one's opponents as "delusional" only makes one look like an attacker oneself, and doesn't contribute anything to the "progressive" movement. Not that I'm worried about such smears against me, for they're unsubstantiable and very, very easy to neutralize.

    That said, I have confidence in the People to make up their minds for themselves based on the information they receive and on talking-heads' counterarguments.

  268. Oh, and furthermore, Stephen, I believe that to use such aggressive language as "attack ads" suggests desperation on the part of the "attackee". Really, it's exaggeration, which is another classic political-propaganda tool, also practiced by the Big Media, which most people DO realize is biased and is currently favoring the Liberals (again) over the Conservatives, and Ignatieff over Harper.

    It's obvious that the ads are quite good and effective. There's nothing nasty, nor beyond the pale, nor unfair about them.

    Especially as they're about a Liberal. We know the Liberals can't credibly complain for having their own medicine administered to them.

    The Liberals dealt it. Time for them to smell the blowback.

  269. Well thank you for the complement Canadian Sentinel, but this is the first time Ive blogged. As evidenced by the fact that I am currently unsure where this post will end up because my computer wont let me reply to your comment directly. So I am replying to an older comment of mine to stay in the same thread.

    But I think we are close to finding some middle ground which is good.

    You believe that such aggressive language as "attack ads" suggests desperation on the part of the "attackee."

    I believe that such aggressive actions such as "attack ads" suggests desperation on the part of the "attacker."

  270. Author: Stephen

    Comment:

    "The point being telling people that somebody is intellectual does not make them intellectual. It needs to be supported by facts."

    FACT: He has a PHD (and other honorary doctorates)

    FACT: He taught at Cambridge, Oxford, and Harvard

    Point well taken but I would also point out that because somebody works in academia and teaches etc. does not necessarily make him the smartest guy in the room. There is an old saying you can be book smart but have no street sense. There is nothing that I am aware of that convinces me Iggy has the street smarts.

    You are right a cap and trade system would increase costs to the consumer. However, if the business who is being forced to change his manufacturing process because of increased costs may not make the necessary changes if he is able to pass those costs unto the consumer. A cap and trade system can turn into a boondoggle if governments allow exemptions to certain industries as has been done in Europe.

    My previous point was that the carbon tax proposed by Dion/Liberals was simply a tax on everything with billions being allocated for non environmental purposes. How is that a serious environmental policy?

  271. Fair enough, street smarts is not an easy thing to prove. And there is nothing that I can think of offhand that prove or disprove that Iggy is street smart.

    Regarding the environment, we seemed to get a little off topic about Mr Wells's original post, but you did ask the question, so I will give the best answer I can.

    Personally, I agree with you to a certain extent, at least about how all the other social engineering the green shift proposed doesnt do anything about saving the environment. I would have much preferred a 100% switch between a carbon tax and income tax. They are both "taxes on everything." Only one is a tax on pollution and the other is a tax on productivity. But regardless, of how the money is spent the environmental sustainability part is designed in the tax collection, not in the government expenditure.

    The government could choose to spend the money on canadian flags, a la Sheila Copps, it would still have a positive effect on the environment. (Given that the emissions produced by the production of the canadian flags was less than the emissions saved by the carbon tax)

  272. And while we are at it, lets not confuse bias in the news with journalistic integrity that choose not to just repeat talking points that were released from the PMO

    Heh- nice smoke, nice mirrors.

    No one said anything about repeating PMO-released "talking points".

    The fact of the matter is that the Big Media has NO INTEREST in discovering and reporting the not-so-positive truth about Ignatieff. They simply refuse to do their job, refuse to have any "journalistic integrity".

    Therefore the Conservatives are doing it for them, showing them how to do their job.

    If the Conservatives don't do it, well, the democratic process would then not be properly functioning and the Liberals would win via cheating… again.

    I, as a Canadian who gives a gosh-darn about what happens to my country, don't want to see that happen again.

  273. You are the silly, one and very ignorant ,I might add ! Your hate for Harper is just so personal that you can't even see the facts and people like you are scary!!! i

  274. One may see the ads as an "act of desperation". Maybe one would be correct at that, I'll concede.

    But what is the cause of this "desperation"?

    It's obvious. The Big Media's obvious, undeniable bias (of course, one needs to process, cerebrally, years and years of observation of Media behavior and discriminatory treatment of political parties and ideologies before one can understand for oneself that this is true) is responsible for the Conservatives' going over their heads and doing their jobs for them.

    It cannot credibly be denied that the Media has been quite gung-ho about digging up dirt on the Tories and reporting it and repeating it incessantly, blitzing the public consciousness into thinking really bad things about them.

    On the other hand, that doesn't happen so much to Liberals.

    Why didn't the Media dig up all of the astonishing stuff about Ignatieff like they did about Harper over the years?

    Nevertheless, should you continue to see it differently, fine. I won't try to convince you further.

  275. Way to go hollinm!!!

  276. "Why didn't the Media dig up all of the astonishing stuff about Ignatieff like they did about Harper over the years?"

    Yeah, like that time Big Media discovered that time Harper was plagiarizing a speech by the australian PM… oh wait that was Bob Rae.

    The truth is that there is no giant conspiracy. "Big Media" is not Big Tobacco. If there was something astonishing about Ignatieff, the media would report on it. I guess they just dont think the fact that Micheal Ignatieff has a Parisian accent is news worthy.

  277. Our financial model is not sustainable. Let me explian. Imagine there is no money in circulation so the bank issues the very first money in the world (lets say the amount is $100) and that's all that exists on earth. Now the bank wants that full amount back in one year plus 10 percent interest so the bank wants back $110. See the dilema? There is only $100 in circulation but to complete this transaction and pay the bank back is impossible unless another $10 dollars is created to pay off the interest. So they keep printing more and more money. It could even be said all credit is debt. There is in fact a shortage of (REAL MONEY) in circulation. It's no wonder the world is in so much trouble. The TD bank is predicting a big jump in Bankruptcies this year. There were 10,578 personal bankruptcies filed during March of this year, up a staggering 57% from 6,736 in March 2008. Banks run this country and our elected members in office are just front men for the bankers. The USELESS regulations FLAHERTY passed to curb credit card interest rates are a classic example of how politicians WHIMP OUT and COWER IN FEAR when having to face greedy financial institutions.

  278. Fantasy talk.

    I only want that $100 because at the end of the year, I'll make $111 or more and profit after the $10 interest.

    The world is far more complicated than what you are making it out to be and in order to get to where you want to be we need to cede pretty much all the advances made since the stone age.

  279. Ah. Whose troops, Conservative or Liberal ?

  280. Some of these Liberal supporters are so desperate to find a reason to hate Harper they will say anything that comes into their heads. The fact is Harper is doing a good job managing the country and it terrifies the hell out of them.

    God forbid the recession comes to an end before the Libs can trigger an election.

    Calling Harper names is not a very effective strategy. Canadians don't listen to we political watchers. They make up their own minds. I know that from my adult children who hate politics but know they don't want Ignatieff as PM. There think he is full of himself.

  281. hollinm, you have hit the nail on the head. It is a sad state of affairs that Canadians are so isolated from the administration of their own country. The vast majority of us do not have time to watch debates in the House or even follow ITQ. However, completely withholding participation in the political process is abominable. How can we have responsible government if we as Canadians don't participate?

    We could debate endlessly as to why a majority of us do not participate in the governance of our country, but let's focus on two trends: apathy amongst the electorate and an inaccessible political process. Granted, this trend has been developing for decades. In to fill the vacuum of participation comes our happy Conservative Party of Canada communications strategy. Question is, does this help or hinder the problem? If I'm already disillusioned with the public life of my country, will such advertisements outside of an election motivate me to become more involved or deepen my apathy? If the vast majority of Canadians cannot or do not access information about how their country is being run, will such advertisements improve or worsen this problem?

  282. BCer in Toronto admitted:

    "Every $ that the RCMP and independent auditors identified as having ended-up in Liberal coffers was repaid to the taxpayers in full years ago. But you just keep making crap up “James”.

    Well, two points.

    First Point: Thank you for finally admitting that the Liberal Party was caught STEALING from the taxpayers. It's not many Liberal supporters who admit they are still voting for a bunch of thieves. Most Liberal supporters who know they are voting for criminals claim ignorance so they will not be judged accordingly.

    Second Point:

    The key word is "Identified" …meaning, this is the money they had an actual paper trail to follow showing who received the STOLEN funds. The $40,000,000 is the amount for which the auditors and RCMP could not trace.

    In case you still have trouble….I'll give you a cliff notes version.

    Imagine a group of crooks….let's call them "The Laurier Gang" started robbing banks. Over the course of two years, they managed to steal $40,565,000 from various banks. The "Auto-Worker Bank" was bilked of $10,000,000, the "Bank of Health Care and Education" was robbed of $20,000,000….the "Bank of Minimum Wage worker" was taken for $10,565,000, until one day a reporter took down a license plate number and the getaway car was traced to "24 Sussex Drive"

    Well, the "Laurier Gang" had a lot of friends, some in the Justice System….so they were not too concerned. Instead, the head of the "Laurier Gang" bought a first class ticket for the getaway driver to Denmark. The rest of the gang was asked for a list of names that could be scapegoated, or otherwise blamed.

    The leader of the "Laurier Gang" knew the jig was up, but realized he could reduce the impact on he and his gang by sacrificing a couple of lower-end nobodies. They blamed a dude named Guite, as well as a few advertising executives. The plan worked perfectly. The guys who actually robbed the banks….no jail time, no punishment…..just a few dark clouds that would prevent them from robbing any more banks for the next few years.

    To show remorse, the "Laurier Gang" decided to give back a bit of the cash. This was not from the goodness of their hearts however….it was because a few of the lower eschelon crooks went on a bit of a binge….and left a paper trail. About $565,000 was paid back.

    The Laurier Gang said it was all a big misunderstanding….they were outraged about the abuse of the banks, and they would pay back the stolen money and punish those responsible.

    Of course….we all know that they paid back a pittance and the Laurier Gang called it even. Now the Laurier Gang has a new Gang Leader. A Gang Leader who could not possibly be associated with the robberies and theft…..but who knows quite well what went on.

    Right now, the Laurier Gang is simply bidding its time until the Gang is back in a position of power, and they can start looking for new banks…and getaway drivers. The people have forgotten……and the fans of the Laurier Gang couldn't be happier.

    It's just a matter of time……and then the Banks will be at risk again.

  283. "First Point: Thank you for finally admitting that the Liberal Party was caught STEALING from the taxpayers."

    Not quite correct James.

    Gomery never found that the LPC stole money; true, it received stolen money but it never "stole" any monies. And do not forget that Benoit Corbeil (director of the Liberals' Quebec wing who was behind this behaviour) was sued by the LPC for fraud as well.

    But given the rest of your inarticulate post, I'm afraid that this distinction is probably too subtle for you to understand.

  284. how can you call this attack ads when all that was said is true,even Iggy will agree with them.

  285. And Chuck Guité was originally hired to the public service by Mulroney's Conservative government.

  286. do you think Iggy would be here when his heart is in the US.if he had got the nod for the US. senate,his ego tells him he is above the rest of us &he should be a leader somewhere,it do not matter where.

  287. Maybe if you get Baird to scream that loud and often enough, it might come true.

    Then again, maybe not.

  288. Are you kidding me? Harper has a degree in Economics from the UAB. Iggy annouced himself that the economy was quote "not my thing". Where do you get the fact that he is attractive and thoughtful? Have you ever actually met him? Your going by everything in the media and the ads, etc. Ignatieff has no moral compass seriously the man is seeming to be a PC if anything. His standpoint of Torture is defintely not liberal. Liberals are for social values and preserving moral values, not for torture at the expense of public safety. The man is clearly a progressive (Liberal) Conservative if you can't see he's trying to draw the attention of the former Mulorney PC's.

  289. Nordic Norm wrote:

    "First Point: Thank you for finally admitting that the Liberal Party was caught STEALING from the taxpayers.”

    Not quite correct James.

    Gomery never found that the LPC stole money; true, it received stolen money but it never “stole” any monies."

    Yeah…keep telling yourself that. The money just magically appeared in brown envelopes and was passed to Liberals in Italian restaurants. And Bill Clinton "DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN"……..and he didn't inhale.

    Face it Norm…..you know the Liberal party is a nest of thieves……..but they're your nest of thieves, so turning a blind eye is forgiveable.

    Norm Goes on:

    " And do not forget that Benoit Corbeil (director of the Liberals' Quebec wing who was behind this behaviour) was sued by the LPC for fraud as well."

    If you actually believe the Liberal Party's most senior members were not aware of the pilfering of public monies……then I have a bridge to sell you. Denis Coderre would probably be willing to sell you one…just tell him what colour.

    Secondly, if you honestly think the Liberals wanted to "get to the bottom" of the Sponsorship Scandal, you would believe anything. Heck, you probably think Ruby Dhalla would make one hell of a boss if you were her nanny.

    More Norm:

    "But given the rest of your inarticulate post, I'm afraid that this distinction is probably too subtle for you to understand."

    If you find my post inarticulate, then I would submit you are illiterate…..of just a wee bit dim. Given you still vote Liberal, however, I am not surprised you are unaware of it.

    ——————————————————————————————————————————————–

    Chris S. Wrote:

    "And Chuck Guité was originally hired to the public service by Mulroney's Conservative government"

    That's right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives.

    Not Harper, or the new Conservative Party. The Liberals did their best to paint the New Conservatives as not being at all similar to the Progressive Conservatives.

    Until of course, people realized that the stink of Corruption that eminates from the Liberal Party is endemic, and not symptomatic. Instead of proclaiming complete innocence, the Liberals found it easier to taint all politicians as corrupt….the, "We're thieves, but so are the other guys'" defence.

    Only trouble is, Harper is NOT corrupt. Harper does NOT steal…….and Canadians know it. In fact, I'd say most people on these boards who vote Liberal, would rather lose their wallet in a traditionally Conservative Riding as opposed to a Liberal one. You may not agree with Conservative policy……but you do know they won't steal from you. You certainly can't say that about Liberals. They of the perpetual "hand in cookie jar" temperament.

    JOKE:

    Question: Why is Michael Ignatieff still in Canada?

    Answer: Because Ruby Dhalla won't give him back his passport.

  290. HAHA "Paul Martin was probably the best finance minister there ever was". You're serious? Hmm, But the sponser ship scandel makes him still makes him the best? Oh my, and frankly Harper is trying to get the word out to the stubborn and dumbfounded Obama Adminstration that this "economic crisis" is a GLOBAL issue gezzz not just a one nations issue. This issue will only be resolved when all the countries are work together. Our banking is certianly not Liberal. The way we run our banking system is actually seeming conservative if anything.

  291. "I think the Liberals should take another look at investing in the green economy"

    *Sigh*

    Wow, how about let's not spend money? Let's save until the recession is up. It's not the time to spend on any alternatives until we have a more safe economy, and how about we just contiune finding ways to re-train and get citizens their jobs back. hmmm? Now's not the time to "SPEND" but of course the liberals will tell you that, what do they know about the economy? Liberals stand for more government spending, at least in their idealogy.

  292. Chris S. Wrote:

    “And Chuck Guité was originally hired to the public service by Mulroney's Conservative government”

    JamesHalifax Wrote:

    "That's right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives."

    That's right James. Doesn't that make it difficult to call him a Liberal bag man?

  293. Mike, the economic crisis is definitely having a global effect, you're right. However, the problems originated in the United States, our largest trading partner. The ponzi scheme imploded with Canadians caught in the middle. Harper, ever the fiscal conservative spent the cupboard bare and whittled away Canada's rainy day fund in inefficient tax cuts. Mr. Harper presides over the largest cabinet in recent memory. He doesn't believe in what he's doing. It took a rare display of unity between every MP in Parliament to get Harper to recognize the problem and do something substantial about it. Everyone knows if people stop spending in a recession, things get worse.

    The current banking regulations exist because of a Liberal government. Wasn't it Mr. Harper who wanted to let the banks merge and ease securities regulation? Further, how does a banking system 'seem conservative'?

  294. They are attack ads because they were designed to attack Iggy. So I, and the rest of the world, can call them attack ads pretty easily.

    If I can be so bold as to assist you in your talking points, may I suggest "attack ads which display elements of truthiness." You can then say things like "I know he is American because I feel it in my gut."

  295. Chris S. Wrote:

    "Chris S. Wrote:

    “And Chuck Guité was originally hired to the public service by Mulroney's Conservative government”

    JamesHalifax Wrote:

    “That's right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives.”

    That's right James. Doesn't that make it difficult to call him a Liberal bag man?

    Chris, if you read it again you will see I never said anything about Guite being the "Bagman"…..he was the scapegoat. Guilty…sure he was, but he was no more guilty than the other Liberals who allowed this to happen. As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party. Guite was a "hanger-on" from Mulroney, and the Liberals kept him on because "You won't rat on them…..you won't rat on us"

    Nice try though Chris….but that tactic has been tried before.

    Guite and some ad execs were found guilty….while the masterminds in the Liberal Party (Various Liberal MP's, mostly from Quebec) who were actually responsible for creating the scheme and carrying it out….walked.

    Some of the very same MP's who know where this stolen money is, or who personally benefitted from it….are most likely currently sitting in Parliament as Liberal MP's. Do you think they won't revert to form….given the chance again?

    Liberals steal. You vote Liberal……..live with it.

  296. JamesHalifax wrote:

    "As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party."

    I never said he did, but thank you for pointing this out more than once.

    "As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party. Guite was a “hanger-on” from Mulroney, and the Liberals kept him on"

    I think your understanding of the HR practices of the public service is faulty.

    "while the masterminds in the Liberal Party (Various Liberal MP's, mostly from Quebec) who were actually responsible for creating the scheme and carrying it out"

    Who exactly are these masterminds? Where is the evidence and why hasn't it been forwarded to the RCMP?

    "are most likely currently sitting in Parliament as Liberal MP's."

    This sort of specious speculation is a sorry distraction from the real issues of the day. We need to do better.

  297. “That's right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives.”

    “As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party.”

    I need to contact the Liberal Party! Apparently, all they need to do is have a name change, and then they will be absolved of any wrong doing from the past. I propose either the "New Liberal Party" or "Liberal Classic"

    "Liberals steal. You vote Liberal……..live with it."

    Or maybe JamesHalifax's generalizations are too ridiculous.

    The Conservatives are not free from scandal either, but I have better sense than to go around and say "all conservatives are corrupt." Because they aren't, as the Liberals aren't either. And only partisan hacks, on either side (some Liberals are guilty of it too), would make the crazy generalizations that James has.

  298. K, let's put it this way Mr. Liberal lover, "The Conservatives announced an expansion of employment insurance benefits". "The federal government now plans to pour an extra $500 million into the program to re-train long-tenured workers who've lost their job." There is your E.I. Now as for your job's it's building don't worry how about you take a look at this article from april http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Government%20tr

  299. true. but neither is abandoning millions of Canadian children, their parents, and everyone else whose tax dollars and good will and our bankable value (as Canadians) make this govt run. need i remind you that this is exactly what the Fake-Cons did when they assassinated Dion's character and his career through very slanderous and false methods (rewarding the putzes who did their bidding); set us up for major financial catastrophe ("synchronized" Disaster Capitalism) by taking their stupid matrix blue pill (we became house-poor); and shut us out of our own House, making us politically–and some of us literally–House- and homeless? the Fake-Cons are not governing for our sakes; not even for those who blindly support them. governance by ego is a very telling; and there is real consequence to Canadians presently and for the future.

    Mr Ignatieff is not my fave, no party is; and clearly he is not perfect. but what i see in Ottawa right now is the worst i have ever seen, or any of my family members. even if i dislike the party hijack of our Parliamentary Democracy, we gotta start somewhere. the Liberals will have my thanks when the Fake-Cons are ousted.

    considering PMStephen's religion doesn't he realize that even if you think it you're wrong? please. go after Ignatieff like this and you insult so many other ppl in this country who've done the same thing. if you're without error or mistake, go ahead and throw that stone; your glass house will shatter. remember there are 9 other "commandments" that PMStephen is beholden to. he's the one who called himself a Christian. i hold him to it by his action and words; and by what he condones by being the head of his party. ("not doing the thing yourself; but having pleasure (benefit) in them that do it.")

  300. it is not the man ppl hate but the things he is doing; he has no authority except from us; he is not following orders from us. we own this govt. the Fake-Cons are a minority of opinion in this country; maybe even in the world. true Progressive Conservatives have my respect. not these sell-outs.

  301. thank you Jenn.

  302. are you certain that the Fake-Cons are funding these ads? why is the deficit (debt on top of debt) getting larger i wonder?

  303. seriously,

    coming from the greatest US butt-lickers of all time, that's a crock! who had a recent campaign to woo the US on their behalf using our Canadian money to pay two foreigners to do that promotion?

    all Canadians this side of history, except the FN ppls, are immigrants, and therefore, by Fake-Con logic, *not Canadian.

    whatever.

    the Fake-Cons pwn inferiority complex

  304. i think we should simply stop sending good money after bad. let's see them govern without our help.

  305. please Nathan L; there are real Progressive Conservatives out there. those are the ones i respect. the Fake-Cons are just that: fake.

  306. "rising like Rome". wow. boy is PMStephen gonna be disappointed when he discovers that Rome FELL. of course, history is like 5 min ago for this PMdude.

  307. streetsmarts (brawn); over booksmarts (brain). who says Mr. Ignatieff has no streetsmarts? (isn't he getting everyone to talk about him?) i always find it telling when ppl ridicule someone with learning; sometimes it suggests envy. i think it big time suggests envy in the case of the Fake-Cons.

    are you suggesting that cunning/cruelty is smart? that viciousness is smart? because it gets results? then PMStephen's your man. and "J-s-s" or Ghandi or Buddha or Lao Tzu is not (for those of you that have spiritual belief).

    we tell kids to "love your neighbour as yourself"; not to bully each other; being the cheerleaders, egging the bully on, makes you just as culpable as the bully. it is little wonder why kids are so screwed up these days. they are following our lead through the ppl we choose.

  308. truly? hmm. so is Oliphant; although i think Oliphant is a more honourable type of character put in an untenable position.

  309. unfortunately the coalition of Fake-Con ideologues, adherents, and wannabes have taken things to a new low level under the direction of PMStephen and the Progressive-Conservative-sell-out/Conservative "architects" of their party; and they pwn this new low. they are tres unique. i guess this is what they mean by being "Canadian". *NOT.

  310. Chris S. Wrote:

    "“As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party.”

    I never said he did, but thank you for pointing this out more than once."

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    Well, Chris, given that you are a Liberal supporter, and thereby a slow learner, I thought repetition would be beneficial.

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    “As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party. Guite was a “hanger-on” from Mulroney, and the Liberals kept him on”

    I think your understanding of the HR practices of the public service is faulty."

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    You're right Chris……if I were a new manager intent on stealing from the business, I would prefer to keep the employee who WOULD NOT TELL THE COPS about the illegal activites, as opposed to the employee who did his duty and alerted the authorities. My bad.

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    “while the masterminds in the Liberal Party (Various Liberal MP's, mostly from Quebec) who were actually responsible for creating the scheme and carrying it out”

    Who exactly are these masterminds? Where is the evidence and why hasn't it been forwarded to the RCMP?"

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    that's the whole point Chris. We don't know WHO they are, but we know WHAT PARTY THEY BELONG TO….and they're not talking.

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    “are most likely currently sitting in Parliament as Liberal MP's.”

    This sort of specious speculation is a sorry distraction from the real issues of the day. We need to do better.

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    I don't know Chris…..I think a Party responsible for the theft of Tens of Millions of dollars is a REAL ISSUE. Don't you? Particularly when that same party is the only realistic option to the current Government. The BLOC will never form Government, and neither will the NDP. As for doing better…..we have it already. Harper. He's head and shoulders above the Liberal Party…..and he's not a thief. That's good enough for me.

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    STephen wrote:

    “That's right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives.”

    “As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party.”

    I need to contact the Liberal Party! Apparently, all they need to do is have a name change, and then they will be absolved of any wrong doing from the past. I propose either the “New Liberal Party” or “Liberal Classic”

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    Nice try Stephen, however, the Liberal party could change its name………what it needs to change is its nature. Clifford Olson could change his name to Terry Fox….and he would still be a murderous bastard. The Liberals could change their name to "Canadian Values"….and they would still be hopelessly corrupt and unprincipled.

    The new Conservative Party is composed mainly of fresh blood from the West, and those PC's who did not like the direction of the Party under Brian Mulroney. It was far more than a name change, it was a cultural shift.

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    “Liberals steal. You vote Liberal……..live with it.”

    Or maybe JamesHalifax's generalizations are too ridiculous. "

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    Or maybe James has taken the time to read a newspaper or two stating the LIberals "missappropriated" funds. (missappropriated is another word for Steal Stephen) Or perhaps I followed the Gomery Inquiry, a judicial inquiry that basically backs my main contention.

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    The Conservatives are not free from scandal either, but I have better sense than to go around and say “all conservatives are corrupt.” Because they aren't, as the Liberals aren't either.

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    The current "scandals" surrounding the Conservatives under Harper are lame compared to the Liberals. Conservative scandals involve biker-chicks, election financing strategy common to all parties, and ministers who believe in God. Liberal scandals on the other hand…..have a common theme. Personal enrichment on the backs of taxpayers, usually involving large sums of Tax payers dollars paid out to Liberals and their supporters for little or no work. Sorry Stephen….give me Julie Colliards breasts over Jean Chretiens Shawinigate, or the Sponsorship scandal any day.

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    And only partisan hacks, on either side (some Liberals are guilty of it too), would make the crazy generalizations that James has.

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    there are no blanket Generalizations here Stephen….everything I wrote is true. When I say Liberals, I'm writing about Big – L Liberals, not the citizens who vote Liberal and then forget about politics until the next election. Face it, as Andrew Coyne wrote, the Liberal Party is basically the political face of Power Corp in Quebec. And like all business entities…..they run on profit and gain. Public interest be damned.

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    One good point about Iggy…….he's the only Liberal Leader (who has a chance to be PM) in generations who has not been a President of that Company. (Though Bob Rae's main backer and financier is his brother……who happens to work……can you guess where?

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  311. Harper has told interviewers he still intends to cut public funding of political parties if he wins re-election.

    i think it's nasty (and anti-democratic) for any policy maker to undercut his colleauges in such a low manner; but i have come to expect this from these moral dwarves; and i understand why they need to do so–but i don't accept this gutter tactic. i'm wondering: what would "J-s-s" do? i'm also wondering about the "bearing false witness" thing too concerning these ads. since G-d is no respecter of persons how do these "G-d's-law-breaking" ppl expect to avoid consequence? or do they think they can continue to drive that big dodge?

    i'm also curious about comments made here that the Libs stole something when in fact they were given stolen monies (not the same thing, but the equivocation is telling of the character of those who undertake to make it); and yet presently under a different ideology which purports to be conservative in nature we have none of our own money left to fend for ourselves financially as a country. in 3.5 yrs poof! it's gone. interesting.

    the Bush govt knew in 2008 (CNN finally reported/admitted *that a couple months ago) the US was in a recession; and this Fake-Conservative govt was close friends with the Bush administration. why were Canadians left up the creek without a paddle? indifference (Dion's panicking, he's crazy; everything's fine; go and invest in the stock market)? opportunity ("synchronized" global recession)? incompetence? (trained aint the same thing as an actual track-record). i'm glad we had Paul Martin much as i disliked him; he never let this country down the way the Fake-Conservatives have.

  312. []"slow learner" trying to add insult to injury; typical from the "How to Disrupt Parliament (undermine Canadian Democracy) and Insult People" Fake-Con playbook.

    []"as opposed to the employee who did his duty and alerted the authorities. My bad." yup; you're bad, you're bad, you know it. Schreiber is also a whistle-blower.

    []the "masterminds" of the Fake-Conservative party include Mulroney, Harris, the Cadman life insurance offerers, etc.

    []"Tens of Millions of dollars is a REAL ISSUE."….

    what could be worse than losing ~$14B/annually of your own money? $100million is peanuts in comparison.

    []Gomery had to apologize. Toews admitted to criminal behaviour that seems to have been repeated Canada-wide in "in and out".

    []"there are no blanket Generalizations here Stephen….When I say Liberals, I'm writing about Big – L Liberals, not the citizens who vote Liberal and then forget about politics until the next election." no, no blanket statements at all about "citizens who vote Liberal and then forget about politics"

    and on and on…

    methinks the Filler-cons (blanket statement intentional) have very little ground left to stand on since they've been slinging so much of that rich mud they have.

  313. Actually, I had a good giggle at that line, because I had just finished reading an excellent story involving Rome and corruption (thanks Jack!) among other things.

    I love Joe Clark. What is wrong with socially progressive, fiscally conservative again? Other than, of course, that idealogy being hijacked by Mulroney and his ilk. I have hopes for Ignatieff in this regard.

  314. Now that the Liberals have decided to run counter Ads against Harper I hve made a good sized donation to help them out. There is plenty of amo to show the real Harper and it's not going to be pretty.

  315. Leenie J…..

    If your life is as chaotic and distorted as your writing…….I would say you are on some type of medication, or should be. Calm down…..you are embarassing yourself. Couple of points though.

    Point 1 – Shcreiber may indeed be a whistle blower…..but he has nothing to do with Harper of the New Conservative Party.

    Point 2 – Cadman's wife has stated clearly that Harper had nothing to do with any offer made to her husband. Secondly, if any offer to help with election expenses were made, you can be sure it would be from Conservative donors and not stolen from the taxpayers, ala – Liberal style.

    Point 3 – What 14 Billion are you talking about? (And would this be a policy decision that resulted in a 14 Billion dollar loss….or would it be money STOLEN by elected officials ala – Sponsorship? (If you can't see the difference…I'm surprised you don't vote NDP)

    Point 4 – If you don't like the "In – Out" method of paying for riding association advertisements, then I would recommend you call Liberal Headquarters and demand they stop doing it.

    Point 5 – I would love to see the Public support of Political parties brought to an end. If you support a party, you should shell out from your own pocket. Don't take it from me.

    Point 6 – Don't use the "God" argument on me….I'm an atheist. I still know right from wrong, however, and unless you were raised differently, you too would know that the Liberal Party was wrong when it stole money from the taxpayers.

    Point 7 – The Liberals knew what they were doing was illegal, and they would be doing it today if they hadn't been caught and lost power. Passing envelopes of Cash seems to offend you when Mulroney did it, yet seem perfectly OK when Liberals do it. Curious.

    Point 8 – I'm a former Liberal supporter (Before I knew how corrupt Chretien and his party are) who couldn't / Can't stand Brian Mulroney.

    Point 9 – As far as Paul Martin is concerned…..he did indeed let the country down. In many ways.

    He fired all Canadian employees from "Canada Steamship Lines" and hired philipino's instead, because Liberals know who cheap Philipino Labour is. (No word on if he kept their passports)

    He used the EI fund to carry out his agenda, thereby ensuring we would end up in the EI mess we have today. Imagine that Leenie J……how far would that 46 Billion go today now that it's needed?

    Martin took credit for eliminating the deficit, when in fact what he did was steal the policies of the then REFORM Party. Martin did one better though……he sloughed off a greater portion of health care and education to the provinces, balancing the country's books on the backs of the Provnices, and then he took credit for getting rid of the deficit. Nice trick.

    By the way….most of the policies used to get rid of the deficit had no origin in the Liberal party. Here's how the deficit was slain.

    Mulroney – Free trade and GST (main reason we got rid of deficit)

    Reform party Policies – Used by Martin to fix Canada's books. The same policies by the way….that were writting by a young REFORM volunteer in his twenties. His name by the waywas HARPER.

    Keep trying Loonie J…..but bear in mind some people actually pay attention to what is going on, and won't automatically believe the crap you spew, simply because you want them to believe it.

    The Liberal PARTY IS CORRUPT….and this has been proven time and again. They won't change, as corruption is their nature and their reason for wanting power. Personal Gain….that's all Liberals understand.

  316. I just never knew that they were planning an election :)

    Boy do those sneaky conservatives work fast!

  317. What I don't get is…how the hell is being cosmopolitan a bad thing?

  318. You mean ordinary Canadians with extra cash.

    All those without, well.. they don't really need a party to represent their needs anyway, do they?

    Incidentally, all that adscam business? The Lib's managed to pull all that off while running a surplus. The Conservatives can't even give a billion dollars away to the American lumber industry without getting 50 billion in deficit.

    If we're gonna have shysters running the place, I'd rather the shysters who know how to budget for it.

    • perhaps, but that is the strangest attempt at a defence for adscam i’ve ever seen “at least we had the money when it was corruptly provided by Liberals to their cronies”.

      Maybe we don’t have to have shysters … Maybe we only get them because we settle for them, reward them, and make excuses for the ones we like the most.

  319. No. It means the Liberals didn't see the government in power during a serious recession wasting their time dreaming up attack ads instead of trying to dream up decent ideas to run the country, and so weren't going to bother trying to fundraise very hard over the summer months while people are away on vacation, etc. and the last thing they want to think about is politics.

    However, now that the conservatives have spent all kinds of money on attack ads, getting Canadians thinking about politics anyway, they might as well capitalize on it.

  320. If you're talking about Cocktails……Cosmopolitans are a good thing (in moderation)

    If however, you are talking about someone looking for a label for himself to excuse his absence from the country of his birth……..it would justify more digging.

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