Garneau on the long gun registry

While we’re sorting out everyone’s position on the gun registry, here are Marc Garneau’s comments to reporters after QP yesterday.

… the long-gun registry had a lot of very good points and some bad points.  On the good side, it was supported by the great majority of police associations in the country, by the RCMP, by victims’ groups and many others. On the other side of the coin, it was opposed by many Canadians in rural communities in this country. There’s no question about it, it was an extremely divisive issue. It’s gone now. The Conservatives have killed it. Let’s move on to other things. It is not my intention to spend more money to bring it back.

However, I will work on measures that will ensure the protection of Canadians such as much more severe penalties for anybody who commits a crime with a gun, particularly a long-gun, prohibiting people who have a history of spousal violence or people who have joined gangs. We’ve got to make sure that they don’t get access to the guns. Strong interdiction at the borders. Taking measures to prohibit certain guns that could easily be turned into assault rifles. Those are the measures that I will put in place. 




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Garneau on the long gun registry

  1. I will give the people who were wrong everything they want and the people who were right nothing. – Garneau.

    • I will do what I see is the sane and logical thing and not listen to the gun control freaks. I will change the law to allow judges to mete out sever punishment to those that use any type of firearm in the commission of a crime. – Garneau.

  2. Is there any difference between this and what Trudeau said? No.

    • Trudeau said two different and contradictory things – that’s the whole point. His most recent position is similar to what Garneau said (except for his contortionist explanation of why it’s a failed policy yet he supports it at the same time).

      • Is it just the state of discourse? Or is it the state of literacy?

        Here just to make it better for you guys:

        Idea was good.
        Implementation was bad.

        See? Easy wasn’t it?

  3. I don’t get it. Is there anyone, even among those who supported the gun registry, in favour of bringing it back? Of course not. On the most basic level, why the bleep would anyone want to spend more money on something that, once the other guys get back in, will get dismantled again anyway? If there are Liberals who want to cling to it — obviously Trudeau and Garneau don’t — then best of luck to you, ’cause you’re gonna need it.

    For better or worse, the Conservatives won that one. Get over it, move on, put your thinking caps on and come up with something that isn’t going to piss off half the country. Trudeau gets that, Garneau gets that… and for the life of me I don’t understand what all the fuss is about.

    • Yup, the guys putting together websites to make their guns untraceable by the police, and who can now laugh at the police when officers try to enforce revoked licenses won the day.

      • One must have a Government issued license to buy or own a long gun. This was the law before the registry, during the registry and is still in effect today even with the registry gone. Losing the failed long gun registry will not impede the ability of the police to revoke a license. Please get your facts straight before posting such rubbish.

        • Revoke, sure. But a lot harder to enforce if they don’t know how many guns the guy has.

          • What difference would the number of guns a person owns have in revoking a license to own a gun?

            And who revokes the licenses of the criminals that never jumped through the hoops to own one legally?

            Do you know what one has to go through to get a license? I’ll hazard to guess you do not.

            Target the criminals. Leave the duck hunters and farmers out of your paranoia.

          • If you can’t tell the difference between “I own a number of a certain type of object, which i may have placed literally anywhere, and now you must find them”, and “I own X number of of a certain type of object, which I may have placed literally anywhere, and now you must find them” then you are beyond help.

        • I’ve got very ambivalent feelings about the LGR….most of which stem from the history that led up to the introduction of the LGR (ie Ecole Polytechnique).

          Which leads me to a question for you: What should we have learned from that incident, and what types of actions should have been taken in place of creating the LGR?

  4. The Registry was sabotaged from the beginning, so it certainly had it’s problems, but it’ll be back.

    • Bringing back the long registry would be nothing short of political suicide for any party willing to promote it in their election platform.

      I never have voted for the Cons but on this issue alone I did. I became tired of trying to be a law abiding hunter and Canadian Citizen only to find out I was open to targeted searches by the police without a warrant in my own home and could become a criminal just because of delays by the system I was trying to adhere to. Renewing your gun registrations was one of them.

      It’s not as easy as renewing your car registration. If you forget or do not renew your car registrations, you do not become a criminal. Forget to renew your gun registration and you became a criminal. Gun registration was very different.

      The system was designed to be broken right from the start. And it alienated many people in rural areas that see guns not as a weapon but as a tool.

      I have a wife and family, a dog, a good job, go to Church, help my neighbours, donate to the food bank, give blood and pay my taxes. How does my owning a gun to go deer hunting make me any different than anyone else? Simple answer, it doesn’t. But someone in a city thinks I might become a criminal just by the simple fact I own a gun?

      Just for the record, I own a truck. I’ll not be running anyone down just because I have one.

      Pick on the criminals for a change. I know that might be a bit more difficult for you but you’ll probably get more satisfaction from it.

      • The frontier has been gone for generations dude. It’s the 21st century, not the 1800s.

        80% of Canada is urban.

        Nobody cares about your hunting. You’re not Davy Crockett. Go to a supermarket.

        PS…that truck you own? It’s registered. Do the same for your guns and stop being a yahoo

      • they couldn’t do a warrantless search in your home without the same reasonable grounds they would for a warrantless search otherwise. The part that allowed for warrantless searches specifically excluded homes.

        A lot of people went to a lot of trouble to make sure gun owners didn’t know that.

      • The registry was poorly designed and executed. But most opponents seem to oppose it on principle. I happen to think the concept behind it was a sound one.

        So… what is your stance on helmet laws? Bet I can guess…

  5. It’s all about politics. Both the Lib’s and the NDP lost some of their supporters over their opposition to the LG registry. For the Conservatives all the pro LG registry cheerleaders never voted for Conservatives in the first place so it was a win-win strategy for them. The LG registry will NOT be back.

    • Hopefully we will see a return to sanity in this country and the registry will be brought back. Rule by the stupid must end!

      • Only those that think that forcing the registration of guns owned by law abiding hunters and farmers would somehow magically take guns out of a criminals hands and make the streets safer are the stupid ones.
        -
        Let’s try something different for a change. How about we make the punishment for using a gun in a crime harsh enough to give people pause to think. Or is control your only agenda?

        • Gun ownership does not make one a criminal. But knowing a person has x number of weapons makes a weapons prohibition order once someone breaks the law that much easier to enforce. (Assuming of course s/he registered them in the first place.)

          • Can you explain how that works?

            First you say registering the guns would make it easier for a prohibition order to be executed. Yet in the same post you say “Assuming of course s/he registered them in the first place.”

            See the failed logic? Criminals have never really been big on registering their guns. Just those that respect the law.

            Picking on law abiding citizens is not the best way to protect people.

          • From another news article…..

            “The number of homicides in Canada rose to 598 in 2011, 44 more than the previous year, marking the first increase in three years, according to
            data released today.” Statistics Canada reported.

            “The rate of firearm homicides per 100,000 population has generally
            been declining since the mid-1970s and, in 2011, reached its lowest
            point in almost 50 years. The Canadian murder weapon of choice is now the blade.”

            I guess we’ll be needing a knife registry now? Don’t think it can happen? Anything is possible when it comes to politics. Policies are not made on the fact that it can make a real difference. Or if they are really practical, smart or realistic. They are made to gather votes. Nothing more.

            Politics in action.

          • “Policies are not made on the fact that it can make a real difference. Or
            if they are really practical, smart or realistic. They are made to
            gather votes. Nothing more”

            Sounds like the CPC motto.

          • Not every criminal disobeys every law.

            A proper – and well-enforced – registry would mean that the majority of people would comply. So if some guy ends up with a weapons prohibition because of violent behaviour, but has otherwise obeyed the law and registered his weapons, then enforcement is easy.

            There are degrees of criminality; some are basically honest people who mess up occasionally; some are career criminals. The latter are hardly going to register their weapons no matter what the law says.

            However, with all the loopholes and the general civil disobedience of the yahoo culture, the previous gun registry wasn’t as effective as it could have been. My qualifying comment accounted for the yahoos.

            We really should have had an all-encompassing registry put in place when the handgun laws were passed, eons ago – then we wouldn’t have all this nonsense now.

            (And yes I have lived in rural areas and have hunted. I’ve also seen careless storage and behaviour with long guns, and had someone waving one around in my home. I saw that person get handed a weapons prohibition. And I know how pointless it was if he didn’t want to obey it, as there were plenty of yahoos who would have loaned him a weapon anyway if he asked, and plenty more who left their firearms around where he could have just grabbed one up. So yeah anything that reins in the yahoos even a little makes us all safer.)

          • We really should have had an all-encompassing registry put in place when
            the handgun laws were passed, eons ago – then we wouldn’t have all
            this nonsense now.

            ***

            truer words…..

          • Or the short answer: No law will ever stop all the yahoos. But a good law will help keep them in check and make things safer generally.

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